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Suspension kits for Mk2 Ibiza 16v? , I have looked a a lot of past posts regarding suspension upgrades and am after a drop of around 40-50mm on the front and 40ish mm on the rear, The H&R cup kit isn’t an option due to insurance problems but what's everyone's opinions on the Bilstein Sprintline kit? Autotechnick had recommended the Bilstein kit and most people seem to think it lowers a little more than the stated 40mm which is what im after, Will I get much problems with rubbing, im running 16 inch fox rims with a ET35 offset? Does anyone have any pics of their Mk2 with the Bilstein kit on?
Cheers for your help
if you have the cupra sport 16v, i've been told that bilstien dont do i sprintline kit for that model.
Its the 16v GTI non cupra, will look into it, cheers
most places seem to state 2.0/GTI so I assume that includes mine?
if you find anywhere that does do a kit for the cupra sport will you let me know, coz i want some billy's but at the moment i think i'm gonna have to get h&r cup kit.
yeah will do, I would like to get the H&R cupkit but the insurance will only let me do a 50mm drop, bit of a pain.
H&R Cup kit uses Bilstein dampers!!
Originally posted by zippy12
if you have the cupra sport 16v, i've been told that bilstien dont do i sprintline kit for that model.
told my
a) a moron
b) a lier
c) someone who doesn't know
you can
it'll be the same as any other Mk2 Ibiza kit for your year of car.
Mark
I thought that it was the case as long as the year was correct they would fit any model,and as H&R use the same dampers and they fit the cupra I couldnt see how the sprintline kit wouldnt fit, has anyone got any pics of a Mk2 on the sprintline kit?, I think the H&Rs 60mm front is a little to low as my dive is very steep and I dont think it will make it out otherwise.
:cheers:
why not measure the height of you bumper off the ground as it is.
then remove 45mm or so from it & drive up your drive & see if it'll clip or not.
involve measuring - but surely that's easier than assumsion
www.seatcupra.net/~mark/lowcordie.jpg - to give you an idea of -60mm
Mark
I was planning to stick some 50mm blocks of foam on and see if it catches, I love the look of a 60mm drop but I don't think I could live with it everyday, Hopefully the Bilstein sprintline kit will give me a 50mm drop or so, A coilover kit would be so much better for adjusting ride heights but funds wont allow it.
Get yourself a Koni SSK kit then like Glyn. Subtle lowering and you should not have any of the problems you think you might encounter.
isnt the koni ssk kit a -30mm kit?, I wanted to go a little lower than that as it rides like a 4x4 on the front at the moment, I think the Bilsteins will work out ok, just wondered if there was any major problems when using this kit.
Yeah im expecting it to be near the drop the H&R kit gives but need a kit that states a drop of 50mm or less for the insurance company otherwise I would get the cup kit,gota check it will get up the drive first though. I cant seem to get the link to work, cheers for the help though,
Dan
Originally posted by GTI16v
isnt the koni ssk kit a -30mm kit?, I wanted to go a little lower than that as it rides like a 4x4 on the front at the moment, I think the Bilsteins will work out ok, just wondered if there was any major problems when using this kit.
well if you've seen Steve's 8v onthe Sprintline kit then it looks as low as all the other mk2 on an H&R Cup kit I've seen.
Stu's yellow 16v and Tony's silver 8v are both on H&R Cup kits, tho Tony's rides on 17s. Glyn's 8v on Konis.
i'm sooo confused why you think that you can expect an insurance company to measure 10mm over the phone..
or even when stood infront of the car.
it doesn't look "slammed"
get a ruler & measure the difference between 30mm & 50mm
do you think it'll look that different?
I want to lower it approx 50mm on the front, If I go for the H&R cup kit, its a 60mm kit, in the event of an accident they can check to see what the kit is and they will only let me do a -50mm drop, I know its only the width of my little fingers difference, I know a mechanic that does work for insurance companies, in the event of a major accident they will check the kit to see if I have what I said I had on the car, therfore thought that the Bilstein kit would be good as it gives me the kind of drop I wanted on the H&R kit but its only meant to be a 40mm kit, if you see my point. cheers for the picks.
dan
I think that lowering is the next step for me, especially once I put the Mk3 Cupra alloys on. Roughly how much are the two kits, Koni and H&R? And how much should I expect to pay for fitting? I don't have the facilities to do this myself.
Fitting will be a maximum of 3hrs work - so about £100+vat
Good alignment will cost that too. Don't skimp on alignment, your car will (unless it's fluked) not handle at it's best & will eat tyres.
Mark
hopkinsgm
20-01-2004, 12:20
Originally posted by GTI16v
...in the event of a major accident they will check the kit to see if I have what I said I had on the car...
Ahem... Regulars will know that my car was involved in a bit of a knock last summer (claim ongoing...). The damage included a bent front strut (Koni top adjustable from SSK kit - pic posted by Ed earlier...). I actually had to refuse the repair because the insurance approved repairer had decided that replacing the bent front strut with a Seat one was OK.
Ummmm...
a) It's too long - unseating spring is a real danger.
b) It's a different damping rate - dodgy as hell - and not adjustable so can't be tweaked to suit.
c) You should never replace dampers as singles anyway...
Got it sorted in the end but between dealing with the repairers, the insurance assessor, my brokers and the insurers it was like pulling teeth.
Re: confusion over what will fit and what won't... facelift cars have larger diameter turrets so can take a larger diameter spring. Thus a kit for a pre facelift can be used on a post facelift, but a kit for a post facelift will not fit on a pre facelift as the spring diameter will be too large. But as we all know, there was no such thing as a factory built pre facelift 2.0 16v, either GTI or Cupra Sport...
What's the deal with just doing the springs for a 35mm drop? Is this bad for the standard shocks? Are the standard shock gas filled and can they take it?
hopkinsgm
20-01-2004, 12:29
p.s. Koni SSK kit - I paid £400 supplied, fitted and aligned. Alignment was a bit of a quick job and hence probably not the greatest job ever, but did the trick.
The kit really is nice (if you can find one). I'll not say it's the best - after all, what is best? Stiffest, lowest, etc? But it's a nice compromise. Stiff but nut filling rattlingly so, low but not speed bump teasingly so.
Note that most mk2's on their original dampers will be getting pretty tired and baggy by now. And considering what a regular set of dampers would cost (and fitting and alignment will still cost the same, regardless of whether it's OE kit or nice aftermarket stuff...)...
hopkinsgm
20-01-2004, 12:31
Originally posted by Adam
...Is this bad for the standard shocks...
Yes. You'll lunch them very quickly indeed - probably quicker than that if they're still the originals. And it'll save you precisely zero on fitting and alignment.
Standard dampers are oil damped I believe...
springs on newish shocks (20k) were killed within 6k on my ibiza. no damping ability at all.
Bugger. :mad:
It ain't cheap then. Just got a quote of £586.33(?!!) from Elite for Avo shocks and springs, including VAT, fitting and alignment. Doesn't sound good compared to your £400 hopkinsgm...
work it out.
£400 +vat for the kit only leaves £100+vat for labour.
I'd say that was cheap.
Originally posted by m0rk
work it out.
£400 +vat for the kit only leaves £100+vat for labour.
I'd say that was cheap.
£400 for the Koni's supplied fitted etc sounds a lot better though... The £186 saved could almost pay for the Toyo's for my Mk3 Cupra rims!
Who's the tony guy with silver ibiza , colour coded skirts .. front and rear colour coded bits aswell...
i had the bilstein sprintline on my old 8v , was a good kit .. handled well with right tyres ;) (P-Zero's all the way for me :D ) ,
i must admit on some corners if i hadnt had the suspension uprated .. i would have been wall pie .. lovely drop although once settled after a bit of time , it does seem to drop more.
Im going to be investing in the sprintline once my new god damn credit card arrives ...
brett
Tony's sold up. If you want a Koni kit try Larkspeed. Bilstein kits try Andy @ Redline, he's already told me months ago he can do goo deals on these (I think Banshee might do as well, but can't remember). If there's a few of you, Andy can doafurther discount too. Can always try Jason @ Amber, normally very keen prices.
guys, Ive been looking around at prices for the Bilstein sprintline kit, have been advised By Autotechnic that the BK733 kits is the one for my 1997 16v, some sites list this kit as only up to 95? I know the turet size changed at some point but which kit will fit mine???
Cheers
1993-1996/7 is pre facelift. if you have round bumpers then yours is facelifted & you MUST use a post facelift kit.
Do you mean post facelift as in colour coded bumpers? see below pic,so is the BDK733 the post facelift kit, its the only part number I can seem to find for the MK2 the Bilstein Sprintline
Cheers
that's a facelifted car (notice the round bumpers)
Not sure on billy part numbers
Mark
hopkinsgm
21-01-2004, 12:08
Originally posted by m0rk
...if...yours is facelifted & you MUST use a post facelift kit...
Really? I was under the impression it was the other way round, i.e. early cars - small turrets - small diameter springs - fit ok in later larger turrets. I'm pretty sure the Bilstein kit used to be listed as suitable for 93-99 applications, whereas the Koni kit was listed as 97-99 only.
N.B. As I mentioned above, any factory built 2.0 16v should be a post facelift anyway. Pre facelift 16v's used a 1.8 unit similar to the unit used in mk2 Golf's and Jetta's but with somewhat more sophisticated fuel injection.