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Neo
18-09-2010, 16:45
This issue seems to come up every other week in the MK4 section and because I have some pictures from when I fixed mine, thought I`d do a guide.

Usual disclaimer: This is for information only, I accept no responsibility if you hurt yourself/someone else/your car/ someone else's car/your wallet/any animals etc.

Ok then, Symptoms of a failed microswitch are:
"Lights on" buzzer not working when you open the driver`s door (after leaving lights on).
And the car locks itself 30 seconds after unlocking, EVEN if you opened the door.

There are threads on cracked soldered joints on VW forums (same symptoms) but it seems just as common that the button that operates the microswitch wears down to the point where it`s not doing anything.
This button is only plastic and everytime you open the door a metal cam rubs over it to push it down, so eventually it wears away and stops working. This was the fault on mine and I managed to fix it without any expense (although it took me the best part of a day to do).
The main part of it is that you need to remove both the plastic outer and metal inner door cards.

So, this is how you get access to the door lock module:

Start by prising the door handle apart as in the pic, the upper part comes away upward and the handle just pulls off toward you, remove the plug under the window switches.

http://i707.photobucket.com/albums/ww71/Carbonfido/Door1.jpg

There are two philips screws concealed in the handle that need to be removed (see pic2).

You don`t need to remove the chrome handle above it but there is a plug behind it you take off later.

http://i707.photobucket.com/albums/ww71/Carbonfido/Door2.jpg

Remove the torx screws at the bottom of the door card.

Remove the plastic clips (8 I think) holding the door card on by pulling the card outwards toward you - they will pop out.
The card is sealed in tight to the window seal so hit it upward from the bottom until it comes away at the top.
Once it is free remove the handle cable, the led and mirror plug from the back.

Now for the metal door card:

http://i707.photobucket.com/albums/ww71/Carbonfido/4.jpg

Plug the window switch back in and open the two black rubber bungs, lower the window until you see the two bolts on the window brackets like this:

http://i707.photobucket.com/albums/ww71/Carbonfido/3.jpg

Remove both 10mm bolts and tape the window in place with STRONG tape and protect your paint at the top of the door by using a rag. You could remove the glass later but why complicate? Remove the window switch again.

Remove the plugs for the speakers, window motor and led if you have one. The wires will just hang there.
Remove the 11 bolts holding the card on and it should pull away - there is a seal on it.

Remove the plug for the lock module.

Unclip the card from the lock module by pulling it forward (towards the door hinges).

This is easier if you have a facelift car as they don`t have door pins; if your`s does, just be careful you don`t bend it too much at this stage.

Refitting is pretty much reversal of removal but I will say make sure the window engages into its two brackets properly or it could really ruin your day.

http://i707.photobucket.com/albums/ww71/Carbonfido/Doorbare.jpg

Once the metal card is off you can remove the lock module which is tucked away in the corner of the door, only 2 screws for it but they are 12-point star drive so careful you don`t round them using something else!

At this point it`s personal choice - swap it with a new module or try to fix yours.
This is mine while still fitted (sorry I did`nt take any pics of the actual job once removed!).

http://i707.photobucket.com/albums/ww71/Carbonfido/lock1.jpg

You can (hopefully) see the white button under the cam, what I did was prise the microswitch off the module and take it apart, then took the button out and turned it 180 degrees, and refitted everything.
The button wears down at an angle, so by turning it round it gives the cam a fresh profile to push on... it should last for a bit anyway! :shrug:

New modules are expensive, but you could try a second-hand module off ebay, I`ve seen them for about £30, make sure it`s off a newer car though, as there should be more material left on the button... if you had a newer button AND turned it round it should last even longer.
Oh, and test your fix BEFORE you fully re-fit the door cards... just in case you need to get in there again!

Hope this helps someone anyway!

Cheers,
Neil.

bald_eagle
19-09-2010, 14:59
nice guide thanks.
someone said they used one of those do you think that would be possible?

http://www.maplin.co.uk/module.aspx?ModuleNo=6452&doy=29m3#overview

Neo
19-09-2010, 17:14
nice guide thanks.
someone said they used one of those do you think that would be possible?

http://www.maplin.co.uk/module.aspx?ModuleNo=6452&doy=29m3#overview

Yes I bought one similar, but did`nt use it in the end.. should still be around here somewhere.

It should work yes but it would need wiring in and bolting/riveting into place, also the positioning of it would need to be accurate on the first attempt so that the cam operates it.
In the end it was just easier for me to switch the original button.

bald_eagle
19-09-2010, 17:47
Yes I bought one similar, but did`nt use it in the end.. should still be around here somewhere.

It should work yes but it would need wiring in and bolting/riveting into place, also the positioning of it would need to be accurate on the first attempt so that the cam operates it.
In the and it was just easier for me to switch the original button.

yes i imagined it would be a bit of a pain too fit and don't blame you for just turning it round, It should last a few years and probably longer than you will own the car.

Red Panda
26-10-2010, 10:25
Could I ask, how easy/difficult was it to get the window glass located correctly and the metal card back on?

I'm okay about getting the plastic door card off but am very wary of the inner door mechanism. I have a strange feeling of possible disaster if I mess it up!

Cheers Neo :)

Neo
28-10-2010, 21:28
Could I ask, how easy/difficult was it to get the window glass located correctly and the metal card back on?

I'm okay about getting the plastic door card off but am very wary of the inner door mechanism. I have a strange feeling of possible disaster if I mess it up!

Cheers Neo :)

I found it quite easy to actually locate the glass when refitting. Because you need to lower it slightly to remove the bolts, when you re-fit the metal card you can lift the glass slightly to locate it back into the mounts... all will become clear when you see it.

I thought I was going to break something every 5 minutes! Just have a good look behind when you start to pull the metal card away to make sure.
It`s only a few bolts and connectors really, no need to worry about the window mech.. just be sure you secure the glass!

Red Panda
29-10-2010, 20:01
Thanks for your very helpful reply Neo. I have this Sunday set aside to fit my sound deadening and new Hertz speakers...I'll give it a go to take the metal door cards off! I'm still a bit :blink: about it though :) I'll certainly take your advice on board!. Cheers Fella

CiechanPL
02-03-2011, 22:07
This microswitch is a horrible,why they put this little sh... in dor lock?!

CGD217
25-03-2011, 23:57
Thanks for your very helpful reply Neo. I have this Sunday set aside to fit my sound deadening and new Hertz speakers...I'll give it a go to take the metal door cards off! I'm still a bit :blink: about it though :) I'll certainly take your advice on board!. Cheers Fella



Did you ever get round to it buddy?

Red Panda
26-03-2011, 15:02
I did and it made a brilliant difference to fit the sound deadening and the Hertz DSK 165 speakers. Not as scary a job as I thought. The doors now make a more satisfying 'thunk' noise rather than a tinny 'van' door sound and the speakers are excellent :)

Neo
27-03-2011, 19:11
I did and it made a brilliant difference to fit the sound deadening and the Hertz DSK 165 speakers. Not as scary a job as I thought. The doors now make a more satisfying 'thunk' noise rather than a tinny 'van' door sound and the speakers are excellent :)

Good to hear that mate, I`ve put Vibe blackair components in mine with some sponge soundproofing.. makes all the difference as you say.

But it looks like I need to take my metal card off again [:@] there`s a metallic "tick" noise coming from the lock area when I go over bumps, just started the other day.

110bhp
28-03-2011, 11:23
where is this switch i cant see it on this pic ....

ht tp://i707.photobucket.com/albums/ww71/Carbonfido/lock1.jpg

My car has the symptoms you described (no buzzer and locks itself)

Is it worth dismantling all this just to fix the buzzer on my car or is it more serious than just a buzzer not working? Do u have any better pics of the lock assembly?

Neo
30-03-2011, 21:08
where is this switch i cant see it on this pic ....

ht tp://i707.photobucket.com/albums/ww71/Carbonfido/lock1.jpg

My car has the symptoms you described (no buzzer and locks itself)

Is it worth dismantling all this just to fix the buzzer on my car or is it more serious than just a buzzer not working? Do u have any better pics of the lock assembly?

It is in the middle of the red circle, sorry it`s not very well identified. It`s a white plastic round button and is on top of the block with the two wires going into it.

I don`t have any more pics I`m afraid.
For me it was worth doing because sometimes I open my car then leave the door open (when I`m cleaning it or getting something out)... and when I did this the alarm kept going off... Also when the missus uses it she has a habit of leaving keys inside - only a matter of time before it locked them in!

Oh and you have a gap in the URL for some reason, (The http bit). Think that`s why the pic has`nt worked. ;)

110bhp
31-03-2011, 12:53
Sorry i had to put a space in it because of a low post count. Stupid forum rule! I think i will have a go at stripping it all down at the weekend. And try your method of flipping the switch. Might even replace the switch but dont want my car in bits for too long!!

Why fit such a cheap switch on a door lock is this the same on fabias and 9n polos? Reason im asking is so i can look for replacement parts on ebay. Also is there any more info on this on other polo or fabia forums?

Neo
01-04-2011, 16:42
And try your method of flipping the switch. Might even replace the switch but dont want my car in bits for too long!!

Why fit such a cheap switch on a door lock is this the same on fabias and 9n polos? Reason im asking is so i can look for replacement parts on ebay. Also is there any more info on this on other polo or fabia forums?

I`m not sure what other cars use the same lock module, it may well be Ibiza specific, and 3-door specific at that.

It may be worth getting one if you can find one for a low price, you could then plug it straight in and move the lock to see if it works.
This would be easier than splitting yours open and putting it back together, (to be honest it`s a bit of a pain).. also depending on your mileage there may not be enough left on the button when you turn it over.. so be sure the one you get is newer than yours.

CGD217
29-05-2011, 20:35
Does anybody know the part number for the lock?

CGD217
29-05-2011, 22:51
Also does £45 sound good for a used door mech?

CGD217
30-05-2011, 13:48
Got the bloke down to 40, the mech is in working order from a 2003 ibiza, i was thinking about taking off my one and fixing the microswitch then when this one goes i'll swap em over fix it nd sell it. Making my money back?

tucker999
07-09-2011, 13:31
Dont know if this is already on here somewhere, but i have a mk1 cupra 1.8t. im trying to remove the door lock mechanism but cannot remove the lock barrel or surrounding cap. i have loosened torx bit until it nearly falls out. what else do i need to do, it wont even wiggle and i dont know if its supposed to go out the door or inwards to remove???? help help please!!!!!! my car is in peices
!

1000baird
29-09-2011, 00:31
ive just noticed that my passenger door microswitch has stopped working (car locks with door open and interior light doesnt come on)
ive been looking at the guide and i feel confident enough to tackle the process of getting the lock mechanism out but am worry about opening the lock to get at the mechanism.
is there much stripping to get the microswitch out?
also how long would you suggest i set aside to carry out this process from disassembly/fixing the microswitch and assembly?
thanks

tucker999
29-09-2011, 09:59
from what i saw when i did mine, the microswitch that senses the open and closed door is clipped to the outside of the lock module (if same as leon). so you do not need to dismantle the rest of the unit. just take out the lock and unit and there should be 2 wires coming from inside the unit to the this failed switch. hope this helps

Deekster
02-10-2011, 18:43
Just back in the world of Seat having bought a wee ibiza cupra and this is exactly what i need. Shame you didnt get more pics will look at doing the job this week.

If anyone else does it and has pics pop them up.

Deekster
02-10-2011, 18:50
Where on here is the mechanism?

http://i707.photobucket.com/albums/ww71/Carbonfido/Doorbare.jpg

mick-fr
02-10-2011, 20:09
Erm.. I'd guess it's tucked in on the right as it's part of the door lock mechanism? :shrug:

Deekster
04-10-2011, 18:28
I see where it is now im going to take mine apart the next couple of days and see how it can be repaired. Im shocked that its a known issue across the VAG range and they dont provide the microswitch rather than buy a whole new unit.

bald_eagle
04-10-2011, 19:13
ive had this problem for years but been too lazy to sort it,kinda got used to it now.

fordy
16-10-2011, 15:35
Any part numbers so I can get this sorted without too much fuss?

thanks

David

fordy
19-10-2011, 14:37
ok after MUCH trawling on google, here is the part number

3B2 837 015

its about £100 retail.

rf860
20-11-2011, 16:10
I used this guide today for removing my door skin and it seems there is a difference between facelift and pre facelift. The facelift had plastic pins of some sort on the lock side of the door which make it a pain in the arse to get the skin off easily. Just to make those with facelifts aware before you go and did what i did - break one of the pins :doh:

tucker999
20-11-2011, 16:55
i think if you disconnect and unscrew all the lock mechanism, then the panel comes off with the lock still attached to it using the plastic bits you mentioned

rf860
20-11-2011, 18:32
i think if you disconnect and unscrew all the lock mechanism, then the panel comes off with the lock still attached to it using the plastic bits you mentioned

ah right thanks for that, it was'nt mentioned in the guide. I don't think they make any difference to the operation of the locking system anyway?

tucker999
21-11-2011, 10:37
yeah i agree, to be honest i didnt even put the black prongs back in the lock on my drivers door. but never had any issues or rattling.

Ol' Timer
01-02-2012, 12:14
I want to have a go at replacing the door lock on my pre-facelift FR TDi when the weather gets a little warmer. The only thing that bothers me is the seal on the metal door panel. Can someone who has had the panel off tell me what the seal is like? Is it rubber, foam or mastic and is it likely to be damaged when removing the panel? My doors are still watertight after nearly eight years and I don't want to create a leak now.

tucker999
01-02-2012, 12:41
im no expert but when i changed mine on my leon it was a very small foam gasket. it was very thin and hadnt aged well. most people on here i noticed seal the panel back on with a little silicone (mainly the bottom half), which is what i did and had no problems. but i belive you can get various types of double sided foam which should also work, maybe even get some from a seat dealer. like i said though thats just my 2 pence worth im no expert

Ol' Timer
01-02-2012, 13:30
Thanks Tucker. The earlier Leons (including mine) used the thin foam gasket which you described but it caused lots of leaking problems when it aged. I think they replaced it with a mastic strip on later cars and this was the official fix when I had mine done. I don't know what type of seal they use on Ibizas but it seems to give fewer problems. Hence my concern not to mess things up.

tucker999
01-02-2012, 13:54
ah i see . okay mate. sorry i couldnt help

Raziel
09-03-2012, 16:21
Is the lock replacement covered by the used car "Named Component" warranty? Just been to the stealers and they couldn't tell me if it is.

Apparently they will have to confirm with a 3rd party company which deals with the warranty cases (I find it strange SEAT not knowing what their own warranty covers!).

If it's not covered, I was quoted £250 for the replacement. Seems quite expensive to me...

tucker999
09-03-2012, 17:20
I paid around 140 for the new genuine lock and changed it myself on 03 leon