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Icecavern
24-01-2002, 09:16
I'm trying to figure out ways to keep the Cordy and still get a nice lump of power to boot.
So help guys... There is nothing wrong with her I just want big power. I need help how is best to get a huge amount of power. Supercharger? 20VT?
I was quoted £7K for a 20VT transplant!!!
Anyone know how much and who sells a supercharger? I don't want throttle bodies ( Bill! ) because I have to drive her every day to work. But I'd love a supercharger...
HELP!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Pete
Originally posted by CordobaPete
I'm trying to figure out ways to keep the Cordy and still get a nice lump of power to boot
I thought you'd already decided on a T5 Pete?
Cheers
Andy
Icecavern
24-01-2002, 09:34
Can't get sensible money for the Cordy. I was offer £3500 trade.... So I want more power anyway.
Pete
I presume that you can get a 20VT version of the Cordy?
If so then companies like engines direct (London, UK) do recon engines with 60k warantee for about £2000 fitted!
Ben
ibizacupra
24-01-2002, 23:52
Originally posted by CordobaPete
Anyone know how much and who sells a supercharger? I don't want throttle bodies ( Bill! ) because I have to drive her every day to work. But I'd love a supercharger...
HELP!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Pete
You have never driven a throttle bodied car have you? They don't bite you know :D
Mine was a daily driver for years... absolutely no problem..
Its all in the mapping.
Bill
Icecavern
25-01-2002, 09:01
I was under the impression that throttle bodies mean you say goodbye to fuel consumption and hello to the local shell station?
I only get 23mpg on my way to work as it is......
Pete
BBSparky
25-01-2002, 09:41
Pete,
Im in touch with a company at the moment about supercharging my 8v. WHen they get back to me with some more details then i will pass them on to you if you like. Could be another route to more power. Think their claims on the site are a bit high though! 60% increase in power on a golf! hmmmmm
Icecavern
25-01-2002, 09:44
Do you know what make of 'charger they use? I've been pointed to one company that do rotrex kits. They quote 50% increase...
Pete
BBSparky
25-01-2002, 09:46
Bear with me i will see if i can find out. :D
BBSparky
25-01-2002, 09:48
Says something about Eaton?:confused:
heres their site : http://www.force-one.co.uk/
Force One are only 20 minutes from my house. I've never heard of them until now though.
Icecavern
25-01-2002, 11:07
Go there on your way home mate and get some info.... hehehehe
Pete
BBSparky
25-01-2002, 11:20
and for me too! they dont seem to hot on replying to emails! :(
Hi Pete
What about a turbo kit for the 16V from Stealth ?
http://www.stealthracing.co.uk/
Lots of power
"The result - a 16V engine that runs on unleaded, producing 220bhp with 216lb/ft torque, with a mid range strength unheard of in any other 16V conversion. Oh yes, and there is no noticeable turbo lag whatsoever, as there is a phenomenal 190lb/ft of torque available from as low as 3,000rpm and 130lb/ft at 2,000rpm."
Dont know about cost though - got to be significantly cheaper than a 20VT transplant ?
Cheers
Rob
Icecavern
25-01-2002, 13:39
I think it's only for the 1.8 16v though not the 2.0...
Pete
ibizacupra
25-01-2002, 14:28
Originally posted by CordobaPete
I was under the impression that throttle bodies mean you say goodbye to fuel consumption and hello to the local shell station?
I only get 23mpg on my way to work as it is......
Pete
It is all in the mapping.
Economy is very possible.
My Jetta on a run gets 32mpg cruising at 80mph.
Also does 12mpg on full chat on track. The choice is with the driving style and how you map it.
regards
Bill
Icecavern
25-01-2002, 14:33
Now I have no idea where I would get throttle boddies from..:rolleyes: :rolleyes:
So starting with a standard 2.0 16v. What would need doing, how much power would it end up with, and how much would it cost?
Pete
ibizacupra
25-01-2002, 15:34
Originally posted by CordobaPete
Now I have no idea where I would get throttle boddies from..:rolleyes: :rolleyes:
So starting with a standard 2.0 16v. What would need doing, how much power would it end up with, and how much would it cost?
Pete
Starting with a standard engine, I would not start with throttle bodies. Gas flowed head and cams first, with a choice to either get it chipped one off chip which will cost and be of no use if you then progressed onto bodies, OR invest in the mappable ECU at this stage to maximise the engine at that point. Robert Tong on here has done the 1st stage, running a mappable ECU on a cam'd and ported head engine. Next step is throttle bodies, which will replace the fuel injection and inlet manifolds completely.
Remap the ECU once the t'bodies are on and you will be in the 170-185bhp @ wheels zone.
If you want to browse past my badger5 website, you can read some customer testimonials and specs of their engines.
regards
Bill
Icecavern
25-01-2002, 15:38
So how much for the head/cams/ecu/throttles all in then? Sounds like it'd cost as much as a transplant...
Pete
ibizacupra
25-01-2002, 16:01
Originally posted by CordobaPete
So how much for the head/cams/ecu/throttles all in then? Sounds like it'd cost as much as a transplant...
Pete
You are probably getting close to that figure.. yep!
If starting from scratch its a large outlay in a single hit. (as would be a transplant) In steps, head, cams chip, then throttles ECU, the costs can be spread.
Its a choice you would have top make.
the throttle system for the 16v, is best for those people who have already done head and cams, and are restrained from releasing the full potential, by the factory injection system.
Horses for courses.
Hope this helps
Bill
ibizacupra
25-01-2002, 16:01
Originally posted by CordobaPete
So how much for the head/cams/ecu/throttles all in then? Sounds like it'd cost as much as a transplant...
Pete
You are probably getting close to that figure.. yep!
If starting from scratch its a large outlay in a single hit. (as would be a transplant) In steps, head, cams chip, then throttles ECU, the costs can be spread.
Its a choice you would have to make.
the throttle system for the 16v, is best for those people who have already done head and cams, and are restrained from releasing the full potential, by the factory injection system.
Horses for courses.
Hope this helps
Bill
Rough guesstimate from a std engine:
Head - £1000
Cams - £600
ECU - £600 (starting price)
Throttles - £800
Fitting - £1500 (includes loom and RR setup)
Clutch - £350
About 5K give or take - what do you think Bill ?
Possible also wise to freshen up bottom end - depends in milage I would guess.
Cheers
Rob
Anyone know at what sort of power or torque level the gearbox and/or engine mounts might start causing problems?
I know that Bill's already mentioned the clutch, but how good is the standard one?
Neil P
Originally posted by neilp
Anyone know at what sort of power or torque level the gearbox and/or engine mounts might start causing problems?
I know that Bill's already mentioned the clutch, but how good is the standard one?
Neil P
I think its the torque thats the issue not the power and a well modded 16V will struggle to get more than 160lb/ft I think.
However, I have been told from a few sources that std clutch on a 210mm clutch 'rod change' box is ok for 170BHP (at flywheel as are rest of figures). Sachs do an uprated organic clutch (powerclutch - good value at £150) which is ok for 200 BHP or so (source TSR - ok with G60's they said but I think these have a cable change box with 228mm clutch !) and then helix / sachs sprung paddle clutches for 250 or so - at least 200 lb/ft the helix guy said.
I have had various clutches in mine and currently fine at 180bhp / 145 lb/ft with a sachs powerclutch. I also have a helix / sachs gp N sprung paddle + cover that will be going back in after a re-puck when the throttle bodies go on.
Think you have a cable change box though eh Neil ?
Engine mounts are an issue I am thinking about at present and would like to hear more about this if anyone knows.
Cheers
Rob
Originally posted by RobT
Think you have a cable change box though eh Neil ?
Yep, and it's horrible! The gear lever moves a few inches side to side when in gear, and about an inch back and forth!
Sorry to add more questions, but is it worth getting a lightened flywheel? Obviously, I'm thinking that it would make sense to do this when replacing the clutch, if at all.
Originally posted by CordobaPete
Go there on your way home mate and get some info.... hehehehe
Pete
I was going to go to Force One on Saturday, but spent the whole day in bed! So, I went to see where it was on Sunday, and I couldn't find it.
If I get out of bed this Saturday, then I'll give them a call to find out where they are, and pop in for a visit. I'll ask about the 8v too.
Cheers, Neil P.
ibizacupra
28-01-2002, 23:47
I have had engine mount problems with the higher output from my car. The car is used heavily for track days and sprints though, so is not your usual road use.
Vibratechnic make the set if you have the ££ but I managed to pull the head off mine in 18 months, and at over £120 for the front mount alone, I thought - Nah!
I now use a mount made by Volksport and am not sure if they are still trading.. £65 also :D It works a treat.
My gearbox mount is factory stock, but has failed a few times. the rear engine mount is modified standard, modified by me to polyeurethane pot a couple of the voids in the stock rubber mount. It works quite well, and does not make the car vibrate too much.
http://www.volksport.co.uk/
regards
Bill