My Stealth RR results... [Archive] - SEAT Cupra.net

muddyboots

25-01-2004, 14:54

Summary:

(Dunno where the ambient temps of 10-15 deg came from, the icy roads and numb feet suggest it was prob only just above freezing...)

muddyboots

25-01-2004, 14:57

OK the graphs didn't scan very well but I think the curves can be seen...

Many thanks to Ian, Simon & Tom for using vagcom to weight my steering up, you're quite right it's loads better, makes it feel much more solid. Feel a bit stupid for not wanting it initially :redface:

Good to put faces to lots of names I've seen on here for so long....

Right, how much further can I go with my EVRY mod ? :D

dave99

25-01-2004, 15:58

I think you need a new scanner :D
was that done in 4th gear BTW?

I put my steering up to 141 from 121, feels a lot better.

Tom B

25-01-2004, 17:58

You need a new scanner, urgently!

Good results, power's slightly better than mine and torque's slightly off compared to mine. Then again, for a chip that's supposed to do 155BHP it's done very well.

After you went, we tried to persuade Phill (PipSqueak111) to do it as well but he refused.

Dave, we're all using 151. I don't know if there's much difference between the two.

muddyboots

26-01-2004, 07:34

Actually it's a new scanner, but I tried all sorts of settings and when it saves to jpg of gif, and I resize it to fit a screen, it loses all quality...any suggestions on how to scan full pages but get them under the 100k attachment limit are welcome !

I assume it was 4th gear, top speed was 108mph and that was just over 4000 rpm IIRC.

driveforward

26-01-2004, 07:39

Originally posted by muddyboots
Feel a bit stupid for not wanting it initially :redface:
Take note PipSqueak!!! :p

Stu B

26-01-2004, 08:02

Originally posted by muddyboots

Many thanks to Ian, Simon & Tom for using vagcom to weight my steering up, you're quite right it's loads better, makes it feel much more solid. Feel a bit stupid for not wanting it initially :redface:

Okay as I seem to be missing the plot here somewhat please explain.....

muddyboots

26-01-2004, 08:37

You can use vagcom to alter the amount of steering assistance, to make the steering lighter or heavier. As standard it's pretty light.

driveforward

26-01-2004, 08:47

Originally posted by muddyboots
As standard it's pretty light.
And that's the 'sport' setting :(

m0rk

26-01-2004, 08:56

Originally posted by muddyboots
Actually it's a new scanner, but I tried all sorts of settings and when it saves to jpg of gif, and I resize it to fit a screen, it loses all quality...any suggestions on how to scan full pages but get them under the 100k attachment limit are welcome !

I assume it was 4th gear, top speed was 108mph and that was just over 4000 rpm IIRC.

I'll do you some nice spunky colour overlays tonight Ian.

I'll choose the better runs from each day

M

Stu B

26-01-2004, 09:35

Originally posted by muddyboots
You can use vagcom to alter the amount of steering assistance, to make the steering lighter or heavier. As standard it's pretty light.

Ah Mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm ;) Now who has VAGCOM in Berks!........

& what else is 'soft' in stock form on a leon that can be moded via Vagcom.. - Are new thread me thinks.....

RAGE were are you when we need u..........

muddyboots

26-01-2004, 11:21

m0rk - do you have copies of the original graphs or should I have a better attempt at my scanning mine ?

m0rk

26-01-2004, 11:35

I have the source data for them all on my home PC - so I'm busy exporting them

M

cpufreak

26-01-2004, 11:36

Originally posted by muddyboots
m0rk - do you have copies of the original graphs or should I have a better attempt at my scanning mine ?

m0rk sent me mine - posted in the Dynoplot section.
http://www.seatcupra.net/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=28911

would be interesting to see yours (ABT chip?), Tom's (AMD), Ian's (SPT and resistor tuning box), and mine (standard) overlayed on eachother, so one can see the benefits of each...
Were any Revo'd 130's tested?

muddyboots

26-01-2004, 11:41

Originally posted by cpufreak
m0rk sent me mine - posted in the Dynoplot section.
http://www.seatcupra.net/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=28911

would be interesting to see yours (ABT chip?), Tom's (AMD), Ian's (SPT and resistor tuning box), and mine (standard) overlayed on eachother, so one can see the benefits of each...
Were any Revo'd 130's tested?

Yep, Rage had his Revo'd 130 tested.

Have just had a look at your standard plots (via the link in your sig). I notice that your torque curve seems rise quickly but then get "chopped" flat, just like mine did; I wonder if that's a sign of the torque being limited to avoid clutch/gearbox damage - and not wheelslip as I suspected ?

driveforward

26-01-2004, 11:44

Originally posted by cpufreak
would be interesting to see yours (ABT chip?), Tom's (AMD), Ian's (SPT and resistor tuning box), and mine (standard) overlayed on eachother, so one can see the benefits of each...
Were any Revo'd 130's tested?
This would be excellent, Rage's beast has revo..

Mark, can you do this?

cpufreak

26-01-2004, 11:48

Originally posted by muddyboots
Yep, Rage had his Revo'd 130 tested.

Have just had a look at your standard plots (via the link in your sig). I notice that your torque curve seems rise quickly but then get "chopped" flat, just like mine did; I wonder if that's a sign of the torque being limited to avoid clutch/gearbox damage - and not wheelslip as I suspected ?

was chatting to some people - they've expected wheelslip at ~1300-1600rpm, where the really steep bit is, but there are no spikes there..
I was worried I'd a flatspot in my engine (but its not noticeable when driving)

sssstew

26-01-2004, 11:52

wow! so rage was there?

how come hes not on here anymore, anyone ask him?

m0rk

26-01-2004, 12:00

Originally posted by driveforward
This would be excellent, Rage's beast has revo..

Mark, can you do this?

Yes, Amongst the 112 graphs to do normally I have a few comparative ones to do as well

M

driveforward

26-01-2004, 12:07

sssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssstew :p

Si said he's been offline a lot lately (thanks to NTL) but also he admitted he has lost interest in his car (which was evident in about August of last year). He's still gonna 'keep in with SCN' as it were but I doubt we'll be seeing much of him on here anymore :(

slim_boy_fat

26-01-2004, 12:30

So nobody got any decent figures from the 130tdis then...

:p ;)

m0rk

26-01-2004, 12:33

Originally posted by slim_boy_fat
So nobody got any decent figures from the 130tdis then...

:p ;)

if you mean 'made up' I can adjust the temp & air pressure on the plots so Ian has a mahoosive 200bhp? Would that make you happier?
I think 177 & 306lbft isn't exactly indecent.

prc

26-01-2004, 12:42

No anything over 165Hp & 290ft/lbs, I'd consider excellent.

driveforward

26-01-2004, 13:00

Originally posted by prc
No anything over 165Hp & 290ft/lbs, I'd consider excellent.
:( So close, but not close enough to make it into the Paulo TDI Excellence club :(

:p

slim_boy_fat

26-01-2004, 13:03

Originally posted by m0rk
if you mean 'made up' I can adjust the temp & air pressure on the plots so Ian has a mahoosive 200bhp? Would that make you happier?
I think 177 & 306lbft isn't exactly indecent.

:laff:

Anything less than 190 in a tdi just doesnt cut the mustard these days, oh and atlest 320lbft..

Keep trying boys!!

m0rk

26-01-2004, 13:06

Originally posted by slim_boy_fat
:laff:

Anything less than 190 in a tdi just doesnt cut the mustard these days, oh and atlest 320lbft..

Keep trying boys!!

like i said - I can change the temp figures to make them have bigger numbers too.....

slim_boy_fat

26-01-2004, 13:12

Originally posted by m0rk
like i said - I can change the temp figures to make them have bigger numbers too.....

No DIN figures will do just fine mate.

like i said, keep trying boys...

dangel

26-01-2004, 13:16

Out of interest - does the beeza still have a 5 speed box and does anyone know how much it'll take before it dies? :eek:

slim_boy_fat

26-01-2004, 13:25

The mk 4 is 6 speed.

I guess no one really know sif long term exposure to 300+ lbft will do any harm..

prc

26-01-2004, 14:18

Originally posted by slim_boy_fat
:laff:

Anything less than 190 in a tdi just doesnt cut the mustard these days, oh and atlest 320lbft..

Keep trying boys!!

How many 190+ tdi's can you name SBF. Without other changes you won't find many. I've seen 1 130tdi dyno at 148hp stock, all others I've seen dyno around 136-138hp.
Just givin the example so that you might understand that even though you might get 1 or 2 dynoing at 190 most won't (the avg I've seen is round 174-175).

prc

26-01-2004, 14:18

sssstew

26-01-2004, 14:22

Originally posted by driveforward
sssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssstew :p

Si said he's been offline a lot lately (thanks to NTL) but also he admitted he has lost interest in his car (which was evident in about August of last year). He's still gonna 'keep in with SCN' as it were but I doubt we'll be seeing much of him on here anymore :(

sticky keys there ian :p ?? hehe

shame to loose him, was a bit of a pioneer on the beezer TDI 130 sport modifying front.. good bloke overall. :(

pass on my regards if u speak to him again.

cpufreak

26-01-2004, 14:29

Originally posted by prc
How many 190+ tdi's can you name SBF. Without other changes you won't find many. I've seen 1 130tdi dyno at 148hp stock, all others I've seen dyno around 136-138hp.
Just givin the example so that you might understand that even though you might get 1 or 2 dynoing at 190 most won't (the avg I've seen is round 174-175).

hey hey

mine dynoed 144.8 stock :)
http://andy.bash.sh/rrday/plots/
http://andy.bash.sh/rrday/plotinfo.jpg

slim_boy_fat

26-01-2004, 14:44

Originally posted by prc
How many 190+ tdi's can you name SBF. Without other changes you won't find many. I've seen 1 130tdi dyno at 148hp stock, all others I've seen dyno around 136-138hp.
Just givin the example so that you might understand that even though you might get 1 or 2 dynoing at 190 most won't (the avg I've seen is round 174-175).

Once the benchmark has been set, its up to others to follow.

There are plenty of 190+ tdis out there just not seats (well apart form my old one :D ) Have a look on the MkIV TDI forum.
AMDTechi seems to be getting up there too.

dangel

26-01-2004, 14:50

Originally posted by slim_boy_fat
The mk 4 is 6 speed.

I guess no one really know sif long term exposure to 300+ lbft will do any harm..

Ah that's good - the six speeder is much stronger so more likely to survive... still it's a lot of torque to expose it to - without an uprated clutch etc.. I'd drive it carefully tho - no guarantee the whole assembly's as strong as the golf platform (if the old beeza is anything to go by) seems to be..

LEO LION R

26-01-2004, 15:05

Is everyones TDi sports that are getting low figures Revo codes or do they all vary from tuner to tuner ?

:cheers:

prc

26-01-2004, 15:09

Originally posted by LEO LION R
Is everyones TDi sports that are getting low figures Revo codes or do they all vary from tuner to tuner ?

:cheers:

AFAIK there are not that many Revo'd ibizas on. So I'd say it's from varying tuners.

driveforward

26-01-2004, 15:48

Originally posted by sssstew
sticky keys there ian :p ?? hehe

shame to loose him, was a bit of a pioneer on the beezer TDI 130 sport modifying front.. good bloke overall. :(

pass on my regards if u speak to him again.
Lol, he certainly was. He'll have his car for another 2 years but I doubt there will be any more mods from the way he was speaking. I will do Stew, he said when he gets back online he'll send me a message :)