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Had Clifford Concept 400 alarm fitted last week - initially a few probs with install -thought everything sorted however now realise that tcs no longer cutting in !!
Using car restart after auto-immobilisation leaves the tcs indicator lit (tcs off)permanently no matter whether or not i push the tcs button !
Has anyone else had probs with after sales alarms interfering with complicated 20vt electrics ?
Mark, I know you've had traction control worries - could your Clifford be the cause or has it been resolved ?
Will contact the installers this afternoon,
Kevin
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Icecavern
31-08-2001, 12:27
<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by kjf:
Had Clifford Concept 400 alarm fitted last week - initially a few probs with install -thought everything sorted however now realise that tcs no longer cutting in !!
Using car restart after auto-immobilisation leaves the tcs indicator lit (tcs off)permanently no matter whether or not i push the tcs button !
Has anyone else had probs with after sales alarms interfering with complicated 20vt electrics ?
Mark, I know you've had traction control worries - could your Clifford be the cause or has it been resolved ?
Will contact the installers this afternoon,
Kevin
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Now normally I'd say they were unconnected but they may not be. Since Mark has problems with his TC and also has a Clifford. Seats and Clifford don't seem to get on 100%. The 600 in my cordoba refuses to allow a 5 button remote to be programmed in, and it had 3 brain units and 6+ remotes tried. SQ+ thought it could be the standard alarm/immobiliser or a feedback loop somewhere in the car. Maybe there's a problme with Leons as well.
Then again maybe it's not connected and the TC on Leons is just prone to being faulty...
Pete
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Hmm intriguing http://www.seatcupra.net/forums/confused.gif
Well mines been in and out of the dealership, and a part change the other day seems to, touch wood have solved the problem.
But we'll see how it goes.
Im not convinced the problem in mine is down to the Clifford though.
The main reason i think this, is that my Clifford 300 was fitted back in October of last year by SQ Plus, and has been fault free ever since.
A fuse blew on the car, and the door controls wouldn't work, ie mirrors windows central locking all failed that was in Febuary, and the dealership said it was down to the aftermarket alarm, but I and SQ Plus were not convinced.
After the fuse was replaced, i had no further problems.
Anyway the Traction Fault appeared in late May and has been dogging the car ever since, up until they replaced this sensor the other day.
Now at the time they replaced it, they said it hadn't fixed it, and as a result i got a bit pissed off at them and i've also phoned SEAT over the matter.
But i think the dim technician who di the job, failed to reset the cars ECU when he'd put the new part in, so it still left the fault light on.
After so many restarts, the cars seem to do a little self diagnostic, and auto clear any faults. The other day the TCS light went out and its not returned since, so i think it may be solved with any luck.
Im not convinced it has anything to do with the Clifford to be truly honest.
I think the fitter has crossed his wiring somewhere, SQ took over 12 hours on my car, just to make sure they got the wiring spot on, especially with it being so full of ECU's and sensors etc anyway.
Let us know how you get on though, i'll be interested to know.
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Mark
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ibizacupra
31-08-2001, 18:23
RSD did mention that the Alarms (Clifford was mentioned) and ICE are affecting the cars ECU with power spikes or voltage drops. The ECU apparently has quite a low threshold on supply voltage (circa 11.3v DC)
These cars are so complicated its unreal...!
Bill http://www.seatcupra.net/forums/eek.gif
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Being pratical though, ive had this alarm fitted as I say since last year, and had very few problems.
If an electrical item is causing problems, it should in all tense and purposes cause it from the outset, not sneakily decide to blow a fuse here or make a sensor fail there.
If these cars are that highly strung, then there is a design issue at fault, rather than blame an Alarm system that works fine in the majority of other cars without problem.
I cant believe a Leon is any more advanced in electricals than your average 5 series Beemer or Lexus, both of which SQ run with Clifford systems themesleves.
They fitted these to Mk4 Golf Gti without problems, the Leon is in fact no different than a Mk4 Golf when you get down to the wiring diagrams.
Its a lot easier for people to pass the buck rather than locate the actual cause. If these systems are muddling with these cars, why is that so.
As i say im not convinced as yet, im awaiting more evidence to support it.
Danny also mentioned that to me, as i remember he knows of the fault on Passats, unless hes got new infomation since i last saw him.
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Mark
zboyd@seatcupra.net
Chips are nicer in Engines than with Fish.
What ive also just realised is you've gone for the 400, with engine start i guess?
My 300 doesnt have engine start, i intial strayed away from it on cost, but im stil against it for the reasons that the start process on these cars is very complicated.
With rolling ECU codes from key to dash to engine etc, i think starting remotely isnt exactly the best thing to do with these cars.
But again i could revert back to my prior arguement, why are these so different to a Lexus or BMW, are they vastly so different that any form of electrical upgrade renders them useless.
God they soundlike they must be running windows http://www.seatcupra.net/forums/tongue.gif
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Mark
zboyd@seatcupra.net
Chips are nicer in Engines than with Fish.
leonvt2001
02-09-2001, 17:58
<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by kjf:
Using car restart after auto-immobilisation leaves the tcs indicator lit (tcs off)permanently no matter whether or not i push the tcs button !
Has anyone else had probs with after sales alarms interfering with complicated 20vt electrics ?
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Yup - had this EXACT same problem with my Leon when the Sigma M30 was fitted (I guess if you switch the ignition off and then arm / disarm its OK? Mine only had this fault if you tried to disable the immobiliser with the ignition on). The problem was resolved after a couple of attempts, but the installers seemed to have very little idea of what they were doing. Probably assumed the wiring was exactly the same as an A3?
In the end I think the patched in to another circuit, but I hate to think what the state of my wiring is behind the dash
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Steve
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Icecavern
03-09-2001, 08:37
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With rolling ECU codes from key to dash to engine etc, i think starting remotely isnt exactly the best thing to do with these cars.
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To fit the remote start the standard imobiliser needs to be disabled. The easiest way to do this is to take the transponder out of the key and glue/fix it permenantly to the ariel around the ignition. I don't know about the new Seat range though because you say they have a rolling code... That sounds like there might be more electronics in the key itself... Bloody manufacturers are making it increasingly more difficult for us gadget freaks http://www.seatcupra.net/forums/frown.gif
Pete
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Thanks for the input guys,
was on holiday last week,
definately no traction,
rang K & M Acoustics, Wigan - they have told me to book the car in, just have to wait and see,
shall keep you posted,
Kevin
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