View Full Version : Jabba IHI, Still ongoing
ibizacupra
31-01-2004, 15:29
Originally posted by BenS1
Perhaps they need more employees. They could employ me as the "Chasing down the downpipe supplier dept".... that should keep me in a job for a year or so. ;)
Ben
Aye :) Give that man a job.... :)
New premesis will have 2 x rolling roads, 4 x ramps, loads more space.... so I presume more peeps at some point...
Bill
CustardCupra
31-01-2004, 16:04
Can i have a job there too ,i know feck all about the tuning industry apart from the fact it costs me £££££££'s every year:D
Dormouse
31-01-2004, 16:08
Originally posted by CustardCupra
Can i have a job there too ,i know feck all about the tuning industry apart from the fact it costs me £££££££'s every year:D
So do lots of companies who provide motorsports bits. That's what makes Jabbasport different. They won't release a product till it's ready. Maybe not the best commercial policy, but a damn fine engineering one.
Dor.
i`ll make you a hand made custon downpipe.doing one for my S3 powered mk2 gti.Let me know.....
this thread seems to go quiet for a while then come back to life when yet another fu**in week goes by and STILL nothing fu**in happens
Ben u been hasslin em some more? .....yet another "still waiting for bits" excuse??
Bill ???
Must be close now!!!, IHI time for you lucky people soon.
Originally posted by custard cruiser
this thread seems to go quiet for a while then come back to life when yet another fu**in week goes by and STILL nothing fu**in happens
Ben u been hasslin em some more? .....yet another "still waiting for bits" excuse??
Bill ???
I spoke to them last week, "Downpipes due any day now"!!! Need I say more?
Micky1, how much would you charge to make a downpipe to a very specific spec? Is it something you do professionally, or in your own time?
Cheers
Ben
LEO LION R
11-02-2004, 12:52
Just thought i'd chuck this one in for some comments;
Has anyone had or got plans for the IHI conversion to their LCR yet ? or is that way way off ever happening ?
:cheers:
hopkinsgm
11-02-2004, 16:28
Originally posted by LEO LION R
...plans for the IHI conversion to their LCR yet ? or is that way way off ever happening ?...
I may be speaking out of turn here (and probably am - hey, I don't even own a turbo car...), but...
Quite *why* the Ibiza conversion is taking so long has been stated several times (though many seem to have chosen to ignore it). Ibiza is a particularly tricky installation and seeing as it was the only model based on this platform ever to play host to the 20vT motor is a fairly "niche" conversion. There's not a lot of space to play with, hence the need for the fabled custom downpipe and all the cooling issues. Leon *should* be a far easier installation as it's far more akin to a mk4 Golf, so should be far more spacious than an Ibiza. As a result, i'd imagine that much of the hardware used in other existing conversions (e.g. mk4 Golf, Audi A3, etc...) could probably be used so development time *should* be much reduced. Bill has aluded to this on at least one occasion...
Just thought i'd chuck this one in for some comments;
Has anyone had or got plans for the IHI conversion to their LCR yet ? or is that way way off ever happening ?
I want it but its the warranty issue that scares me, already got 286BHP dont wanna take the pi55 too much out of Seat! :D
Originally posted by LEO LION R
Just thought i'd chuck this one in for some comments;
Has anyone had or got plans for the IHI conversion to their LCR yet ? or is that way way off ever happening ?
:cheers:
Second thoughts Leo?;)
Originally posted by hopkinsgm
Quite *why* the Ibiza conversion is taking so long has been stated several times (though many seem to have chosen to ignore it).
Indeed there's nothing stopping anyone from specifying and building their own turbo kit. The only thing that's not currently available off-the-shelf for the Ibiza is, funnily enough, the downpipe that Jabba are waiting for or its equivalent for another brand of turbo.
I could understand the impatience if deposits had been put down but otherwise, what's the rush?
Imagine the uproar, if Jabba said "F*ck it, let's get these moaning sods off our backs" and rushed out a cheap-sh*t, quick-fix, bodged up downpipe that falls apart after a couple of months. They've already got people slating their G60 work after being prompting by the competition (well duh, of course those with a vested interest in taking Jabba business aren't going to be impartial), I'm sure they can live without alienating what must be their main bread & butter customer base - 1.8Ts.
"Whats the rush?" Er... I first enquired about the IHI upgrade almost exactly 2 years ago (After talking to Mike about it at the Powerstation RR day) and target dates of GTI International (May) 2002 were mentioned!
To be honest i couldn't afford it at the time, and I decided I'd wait a year. I didn't realise it would be 2 years! I don't really think I've been rushing do you?
Also, about 4-5 months ago I was saying similar things to you whilst others were running around like headless chickens. I was saying about keeping calm and being patient... but I didn't realise it was going to drag on this long.
I agree with what you say though about getting it right, but then the delays are due to ongoing testing or design, its all just waiting for a long overdue part to be supplied.
I simply can't understand the downpipe situation. Presumably Jabba went to the Downpipe company and asked then to make some downpipes and the company said that they would be ready by a specified date. That date has been and past, and so have many many other dates. How can this happen? Did the downpipe company make up a bull$h1t date just to get the work, or did the company really think they could deliver? If the latter then what has been the unforseen problem?
Its just that we are so so close, yet so far. It like building an cruise liner but not being able to release it because the locks for the toilet doors haven't arrived! (Ok, I'm not very good with similies and metaphores!).
Just to clarify though, I'm not saying that Jabbasport have done anything wrong and that the kits should be out now, as I'm assuming its all the fault of the downpipe company failing to meet its target dates. Where Jabbasport maybe haven't been so good is with the feedback... letting us know exactly what the problem is, why theres a problem, whats being done to resolve it and an updated ETA. However, i do know that they are very very busy.
Cheers
Ben
LEO LION R
12-02-2004, 07:44
Originally posted by Feel
Second thoughts Leo?;)
LOL
2nd, 3rd and many mor ethoughtd too ;) :D
360bhp and Quaife diff should be nice, just seems like an unknown cost at the moment, worst case £6000 :eek:
Originally posted by LEO LION R
worst case £6000 :eek:
Still cheaper than your yearly service costs for an Evo though m8 ;) :p :D
:cheers:
Scott
Originally posted by Russboy
I want it but its the warranty issue that scares me, already got 286BHP dont wanna take the pi55 too much out of Seat! :D
Forget warranty basically - this is one major mod! You could prolly still get them to look at electrical issues but engine etc all out of scope.
As you say tho, with a LCR and a chip you've got a lot already..
LEO LION R
12-02-2004, 11:56
Still cheaper than your yearly service costs for an Evo though m8 ;) :p :D
:cheers:
Scott
LOL
It wouldnt have been that bad, only 4500 mile intervals which is all i'd have done in it anyway, and thats £300, its the 5 year (45k) one that costs lots £700+/-
:cheers:
I phoned Jabba yesterday.....
The latest update is that the downpipe company failed to deliver on their promise of 2 completed downpipes by the date they agreed, but they did show up a bit later... the bad news is that the downpipes were wrong!!! ie. the downpipe company stuffed up!!!
The downpipe company are now sorting the problem, although its not clear if that means the ones they have done will be modified or whether they have to start again from scratch!!!
Jools, did you discuss the IHI (And delays) when you got the E05 map down there the other day?
Also, did you buy your chargecooler from them and did they fit it, or did you go direct to Pace? And if you don't mind me asking, how much did you pay for the CC (Parts + fitting)?
Cheers
Ben
Thanks for the update Ben.. Not sounding good tho..
Originally posted by custard cruiser
Has the question been asked if the kit can be bought and ask jabbasport to manufacture a one off like Bill's and pay for the manufacturing time?
Not by me, but its becoming a possability.
Ben
what's the cost associatted with the downpipe?
IIRC if one was to got BTB (who are the dogs) then the 1st would cost £500 or so with subsequent ones costing abotu £250
not teaching jabba to suck eggs, but I'm sure there's more than one way around this. that or as you state - just charge more & get them custom done.
unless a DP is over complaicated - it's just a "bit of pipe with 2 flanges" bent in the right way?
ibizacupra
17-02-2004, 13:07
Originally posted by m0rk
what's the cost associatted with the downpipe?
IIRC if one was to got BTB (who are the dogs) then the 1st would cost £500 or so with subsequent ones costing abotu £250
not teaching jabba to suck eggs, but I'm sure there's more than one way around this. that or as you state - just charge more & get them custom done.
unless a DP is over complaicated - it's just a "bit of pipe with 2 flanges" bent in the right way?
Cost will be time not materials particularly..
The vendor who has stuffed up continually... is Blue Flame.. (yes I have named and shamed them)
(IF) the rear engine mount could be re-jigged (new one fab'd) then a less compromised DP should be possible using Jabba's cast turbo outlet pipe.
Yes this is on my list of things to do... (fab new rear engine mount to make a ZERO compromise turbo outlet) - In my spare time.. but am getting myself a nice TIG set soon. something to keep me out of mischief. (AC/DC set.... ally welding here I come :D)
Jabba do have plasma cut turbo outlet blanks from which the outlet could be constructed from.
Downpipe is'nt overly complicated from what I have seen (my own that is) but it is close to many things and by nature an awkward thing to produce. doable... for sure, but awkward.
I may consider the alternate rear engine mount and cast turbo outlet a viable alternative. It will take some time to make something up to see.
BILL :eek: blueflame eh:uzi: ;) ... i have phoned the SUN newspaper and they have agreed to place a form in tomorrows edition so we can petition the said named and shamed company!! with demands that they pull the monkey off the shop floor who keeps friggin these parts up and replace him with someone who knows what they doin !!!
if it were me (its not) and i had the money (i dont) id go to a more professional outfit as m0rk says.
i deal with machine shops and pipe maipulators all the time, they miss deadlines regularly, but im talking days not months,
imo they are either:
a) taking the piss
b) incapable
:confused:
edit to add: blue flame not jabba :)
ibizacupra
17-02-2004, 17:23
Who knows the root cause of Blue Flames problem.... but they have put Jabba in a difficult position. Late then then cocked up the made systems... rework or remake? Who knows.. DOH!
Sux does'nt it :(
Was going to wait for Jabba's new full system for mine... but I am not that patient so have got a Jetex one now. Only bit about the Jetex I don't like from looking at it, is the taipipe splitter... Single exit rear box which has an abrupt Y piece to split into the 2 x 80mm round pipes.. Miltek has 2 x exits from the box proper...:( Maybe thats the better design? (splits into a Y inside rear box as opposed on exit of rear box.. - just strikes me its an abrumpt change of direction for the exhaust gas to go.... and non-ideal.
Will try it and see. Could always mod it for single large oval from the 2.5" exit... (practice me TIG welding :) )
ibizacupra
17-02-2004, 17:27
Originally posted by Saul
i deal with machine shops and pipe maipulators all the time, they miss deadlines regularly, but im talking days not months,
Saul..
Do you have suppliers of decent (polished sanitary type) stainless fittings? Dairy fittings... open swept bends, mandrel bent etc..... 3" OD, 2.75" OD, 2.5" OD type sizes..
:cheers: Bill
Originally posted by ibizacupra
Saul..
Do you have suppliers of decent (polished sanitary type) stainless fittings? Dairy fittings... open swept bends, mandrel bent etc..... 3" OD, 2.75" OD, 2.5" OD type sizes..
:cheers: Bill
i do !!! ;)
.. just collected me 2.5" miltek ... y u ditched yours and gone with jettex ??? i didn't go for jettex for the exact reason u have just explianed above .. the miltek tail piece looks loads better!!!
ibizacupra
17-02-2004, 17:44
Originally posted by custard cruiser
i do !!! ;)
.. just collected me 2.5" miltek ... y u ditched yours and gone with jettex ??? i didn't go for jettex for the exact reason u have just explianed above .. the miltek tail piece looks loads better!!!
Blag some bits? :D
Thinking Sch10 fittings in 2.5" and 3" NB, long radius 90 degree elbows. Some Sch 10 pipe also... in 2.5" NB and 3" NB to connect some parts up and then some Hygienic stainless pipe for end connections perhaps... (maybe not..just cat flange to pipe fitting)
I agree that the Miltek tails looks better.. My Miltek is burnt out. No packing in rear box. Fancied a change. Jabba's Ibiza runs Jetex so I know it works. Tail pipe construction on Jetex is... erm.. not as good as I would like... but hey. Try it first I guess.
regards
bill
Originally posted by ibizacupra
Blag some bits? :D
Thinking Sch10 fittings in 2.5" and 3" NB, long radius 90 degree elbows. Some Sch 10 pipe also... in 2.5" NB and 3" NB to connect some parts up and then some Hygienic stainless pipe for end connections perhaps... (maybe not..just cat flange to pipe fitting)
I agree that the Miltek tails looks better.. My Miltek is burnt out. No packing in rear box. Fancied a change. Jabba's Ibiza runs Jetex so I know it works. Tail pipe construction on Jetex is... erm.. not as good as I would like... but hey. Try it first I guess.
regards
bill
Had bucketloads of that stuff chucked when i left last place.!!!!. but leave it with me .. i'll see if i can do a david copperfield on some of that stuff ;) :)
Originally posted by ibizacupra
Saul..
Do you have suppliers of decent (polished sanitary type) stainless fittings? Dairy fittings... open swept bends, mandrel bent etc..... 3" OD, 2.75" OD, 2.5" OD type sizes..
:cheers: Bill
sure do, its my job :D
have access if not stock in all the hygienic fittings and tube and all the nominal bore aswell, sch 10 is not a bit thick tho for an exhaust?
drop me a mail bill with what you want
saul@seatcupra.net
:cheers:
Originally posted by ibizacupra
My Miltek is burnt out. No packing in rear box. Fancied a change.
regards
bill
Burnt out? Why? Arn't exhausts designed to get hot? ;)
Whats to stop the Jetex doing the same?
So the IHI needs a new exhaust every year does it? ;)
Ben
I had a cunning thought yesterday
If the downpipe is the only holding factor - then the rest of it is sat in a box with your name & number on it?
If so - is that box available for you to buy? thus giving you a happy feeling that the conversion is 'coming along'?
Unless:
a) that's not the case & the downpipes aren't the only thing not in stock
b) there isn't much faith in the downpipes coming in
c) it's a lot of money to tie up in a useless (in their current state) box of bits
d) the conversion isn't read yet
are golfy's & the rest getting 'done' or is the Ibiza not the only model to be stuck.
M
hopkinsgm
18-02-2004, 12:17
Ben - have you ever looked at a (silenced) race exhaust? Most of them have silencers that can be opened up and re-packed. It's a fact of life that the packing material will deteriorate over time.
Repackable race cans are sometimes a good thing, sometimes a bad thing. They're a good thing in that overall they probably last longer, but on a multi silencer system they'd be a pain in the @rse to repack as you'd have to remove the system downstream of the box you want to repack. Another negative is that they do occassionally blow hulking great wads of packing material out of them...
Originally posted by m0rk
I had a cunning thought yesterday
If the downpipe is the only holding factor - then the rest of it is sat in a box with your name & number on it?
If so - is that box available for you to buy? thus giving you a happy feeling that the conversion is 'coming along'?
Unless:
a) that's not the case & the downpipes aren't the only thing not in stock
b) there isn't much faith in the downpipes coming in
c) it's a lot of money to tie up in a useless (in their current state) box of bits
d) the conversion isn't read yet
are golfy's & the rest getting 'done' or is the Ibiza not the only model to be stuck.
M
jabba wont be doin a damm thing until they are 101% happy .. if that means u and i ....and poor old ben are completely pissed off then as far as jabba are concerned ..TUFF!!!
Cant blame em in that respect... believe me i have tried all angles and they arn't budging till its all there ...completed, tested ,signed ,sealed and one day ... delivered http://instagiber.net/smiliesdotcom/contrib/edoom/sad2.gif
http://instagiber.net/smiliesdotcom/contrib/edoom/sad2.gif
Bout says it all really !!!
Originally posted by hopkinsgm
Ben - have you ever looked at a (silenced) race exhaust? Most of them have silencers that can be opened up and re-packed. It's a fact of life that the packing material will deteriorate over time.
Repackable race cans are sometimes a good thing, sometimes a bad thing. They're a good thing in that overall they probably last longer, but on a multi silencer system they'd be a pain in the @rse to repack as you'd have to remove the system downstream of the box you want to repack. Another negative is that they do occassionally blow hulking great wads of packing material out of them...
What happens if you just leave it, and don't replace or repack it? Does it just get louder?
Originally posted by m0rk
I had a cunning thought yesterday
If the downpipe is the only holding factor - then the rest of it is sat in a box with your name & number on it?
If so - is that box available for you to buy? thus giving you a happy feeling that the conversion is 'coming along'?
Unless:
a) that's not the case & the downpipes aren't the only thing not in stock
b) there isn't much faith in the downpipes coming in
c) it's a lot of money to tie up in a useless (in their current state) box of bits
d) the conversion isn't read yet
are golfy's & the rest getting 'done' or is the Ibiza not the only model to be stuck.
M
Great idea, and yes it would give me a 'happy feeling', but as mentioned above, I very much doubt that Jabba will do it. :(
Cheers
Ben
and more bits come out & more gas gets disturbed as it trys to get thru the the baffles into the box
should slow & disturb the gas flow I'd have thought
M
You'll find this amusing...
My wife is off for a month at the end of this one - if Jabba can do my car next month she won't be here to stop me... if not.. i've got a fight on my hands when she gets back!
Reading this thread is not making me optimistic!
hopkinsgm
18-02-2004, 16:55
Originally posted by BenS1
...What happens if you...don't replace or repack it...
More packing material burns away/gets blown out, leaving more space for exhaust gases to get into and also reverberate around. I'd imagine that as m0rk says, there'll probably be more turbulence too leading to a reduction in performance. Anyway, it'd get loud. Seriously f*cking loud.
I was marshalling a sprint last year at Colerne Airfield, a round of the National Champs. During the top 10 run off at the end of the day one of the front runners' had his the silencer blow itself to bits at the end of the main straight - at full chat in top. It was significantly louder afterwards...
ibizacupra
18-02-2004, 17:26
Originally posted by BenS1
Burnt out? Why? Arn't exhausts designed to get hot? ;)
Whats to stop the Jetex doing the same?
So the IHI needs a new exhaust every year does it? ;)
Ben
Yep.. consider it a consummable. :D
RED hot gas has to go somewhere.
Jetex will also die.. guaranteed. Will see how long it takes.
This is on my car mind you, and its getting a beating like not many other cars receive (on track, RR days etc)
Test bed.
ibizacupra
18-02-2004, 17:28
Originally posted by BenS1
What happens if you just leave it, and don't replace or repack it? Does it just get louder?
Mine sounds hollow and yes it gets more boomy.
Nasty sound IMHO
ibizacupra
18-02-2004, 17:36
Originally posted by Saul
sure do, its my job :D
have access if not stock in all the hygienic fittings and tube and all the nominal bore aswell, sch 10 is not a bit thick tho for an exhaust?
drop me a mail bill with what you want
saul@seatcupra.net
:cheers:
email sent. :)
Icecavern
24-02-2004, 07:52
So is this no IHI conversions at all, for Leon or Ibiza?
Makes my question about if it's worth IHI'ing my Leon redundant I guess...
Pete
Originally posted by ICE MAN
So is this no IHI conversions at all, for Leon or Ibiza?
Makes my question about if it's worth IHI'ing my Leon redundant I guess...
Pete
sorry ... not takin the bait ;) !!!!!!
Icecavern
24-02-2004, 08:15
What bait? I'm only asking :(
Pete
ibizacupra
24-02-2004, 15:05
Originally posted by ICE MAN
So is this no IHI conversions at all, for Leon or Ibiza?
Makes my question about if it's worth IHI'ing my Leon redundant I guess...
Pete
Golf based cars should'nt be a problem.. Ibiza's are the troublesome ones for DP etc...
They are selling kits.
Originally posted by ICE MAN
So is this no IHI conversions at all, for Leon or Ibiza?
Pete
just thought you were here to wind up the already highly strung bods about the ibiza IHI and the errrmm year long wait for it !!
:p
Icecavern
24-02-2004, 15:20
No mate just wondering about the Leon upgrades. I don't read this section really so didn't know there was such strong feelings about the conversions... :eek:
Originally posted by ICE MAN
No mate just wondering about the Leon upgrades. I don't read this section really so didn't know there was such strong feelings about the conversions... :eek:
there has been the odd cross word ;)
i didnt know there were any highly strung bods either, oh and if we are being technical, it was due to be ready for inters 2002 :)
just have to re-read the thread again .. surely you can feel the tension !!! :) including myself .. i got a 10 day trip to leMans and nurburgring planned ... would like to have the work done long before then !! will be extremely disapointed if it aint !!
now that i can cetainly empathise with
Originally posted by ibizacupra
Golf based cars should'nt be a problem.. Ibiza's are the troublesome ones for DP etc...
They are selling kits.
Are they selling kits? Last time I spoke to them thay said they wanted to do the Ibiza kits first before any other car!
Still no news then? I'm in the US ATM and was kinda hoping that it would be ready by the time I get back. :(
Ben
ibizacupra
26-02-2004, 07:46
Originally posted by BenS1
Are they selling kits? Last time I spoke to them thay said they wanted to do the Ibiza kits first before any other car!
Still no news then? I'm in the US ATM and was kinda hoping that it would be ready by the time I get back. :(
Ben
Yes selling kits.... as in 3rd parties coming and buying kits.
Like AmD for example recently.
Ibiza is the odd one. DP and the fiasco with Blue Flame.
Originally posted by BenS1
Are they selling kits? Last time I spoke to them thay said they wanted to do the Ibiza kits first before any other car!
Still no news then? I'm in the US ATM and was kinda hoping that it would be ready by the time I get back. :(
Ben
Dream on
Originally posted by ibizacupra
Yes selling kits.... as in 3rd parties coming and buying kits.
Like AmD for example recently.
Ibiza is the odd one. DP and the fiasco with Blue Flame.
Does that mean I can buy the full Ibiza kit minus the downpipe right now? **** it, I'll drive around with no downpipe for a couple of months! :D
Ben
This seems a life time ago. Anyone know if its any futher on.
http://www.seatcupra.net/forums/showthread.php?t=24640&page=1&pp=20&highlight=ihi
All i have heard from Elton is that at the moment if you already have a Jabba remap u will still have to pay £475 for the IHI remap. He said you may get a small discount off the £475. But he a nd Mike are still discussing about the final costing to current Jabbachip users.
Hmmm. They definately told me £90 for a remap for people that already have a Jabba map. Still, makes no difference to me as I don't already have a Jabba map.
I've been promised a call before the end of August with a fitting date in September. Fingers crossed. I'll be very excited once the call happens! :)
Ben
Hmmm. They definately told me £90 for a remap for people that already have a Jabba map. Still, makes no difference to me as I don't already have a Jabba map.
I've been promised a call before the end of August with a fitting date in September. Fingers crossed. I'll be very excited once the call happens! :)
Ben
I feel like 'if' rather than 'when' atm Ben :(
Golf based cars should'nt be a problem.. Ibiza's are the troublesome ones for DP etc...
They are selling kits.
Apart from the bits that don't fit. Banjos thet bottom out in holes before going tight, incorrect threads on banjos. This was the first production batch and I'm sure these problems will be sorted.
Making up a downpipe is a touch interesting as well. The kits to my mind aren't quite finished, and still need a little thought.
IHI is a major undertaking, and I'm hoping once it's all sorted it'll be worth the £
I will be amazed Ben if you Have IHI fitted for the end of September. With so many IHI cars in for repair i am thinking the New Year before phone calls start happening. And even then i will be shocked.
ibizacupra
25-08-2004, 08:42
I will be amazed Ben if you Have IHI fitted for the end of September. With so many IHI cars in for repair i am thinking the New Year before phone calls start happening. And even then i will be shocked.
Repairs being transmissions... on the whole.
Not like this has'nt been identified as a weak link on a 5spd 02J is it. ;)
Need more power - soon!!! Failed to pull away from a type R (pos an old accord) this moring (70-140) and he was a very happy chap (kudos due).
Repairs being transmissions... on the whole.
Not like this has'nt been identified as a weak link on a 5spd 02J is it. ;)
Although the Jabba website still says that they can handle the power!
Also, as of yet no solution has been found to this weak link (For road cars atleast). :(
DAngel, MadMile.... I really HOPE you are wrong.
So far I have spentover £10k getting the car ready for the IHI, and I'm likely to spend another £5k plus IHI by the end of the year.... so you can imagine how pi$$ed off I'd be if I spend £15k getting the car ready for something that doesn't happen!!!!
I do trust them though, I'm sure they will deliver eventually.
Ben
I spoke to Mike at Jabba today. He said your car Ben is going in next month for its IHI kit (happy for u Ben) current Jabba map users will just be charged for some RR time not a full remap. The Ibiza's are going 1st and Mike is hoping to have them all done for November/December (ibiza's that is). Using a stock manifold 300bhp is the basic tune. And a full kit will give 330bhp minimum going upto 350bhp car dependent.
I spoke to Mike at Jabba today. He said your car Ben is going in next month for its IHI kit (happy for u Ben) current Jabba map users will just be charged for some RR time not a full remap. The Ibiza's are going 1st and Mike is hoping to have them all done for November/December (ibiza's that is). Using a stock manifold 300bhp is the basic tune. And a full kit will give 330bhp minimum going upto 350bhp car dependent.
:D :thumbup:
Hope its true! :D
Can't wait. But wont get too excited until I get the call!!!!
Ben
Me to Ben. If it does'nt happen (fitted) by march/april at the latest next year i will be selling up and moving onto another car i reckon. But i hope it works out as i have planned, its down to Jabba to deliver now.
ibizacupra
25-08-2004, 22:38
new rollers need to be made to work ASAP for IHI mapping...
Mine needs remap now as my mods have exceeded its mapping. :D
Mike said the Rollers should be up and running in the next 2-3 weeks and Ben straight in after. Having Bens car done for the end of sept at the latest.
ibizacupra
25-08-2004, 23:22
lets all collectively cross our fingers then.. :)
I hope it works this way as its turning into a little bit of a joke ihi and the waiting. Imagine it goes into the New Year. Since i went on the waiting list my car has another 12k on it. Its now at 38k. I cant afford to be putting a 4k kit onto a car with higher milage and in general a physically older car. It has to happen now before Christmas.
Apart from the bits that don't fit. Banjos thet bottom out in holes before going tight, incorrect threads on banjos. This was the first production batch and I'm sure these problems will be sorted.
Making up a downpipe is a touch interesting as well. The kits to my mind aren't quite finished, and still need a little thought.
IHI is a major undertaking, and I'm hoping once it's all sorted it'll be worth the £
From what I saw of your car John making up a downpipe certainly is 'interesting'! When are you due to collect the car, or have you already?
Ben - you lucky get... I've still not heard anything so does that mean i'm looking at NEXT year now?
Christ..
Thanks for the update Gary! :thumbup:
Dangel, I'm not a lucky git until I get the phonecall.
As Bill said, everybody cross your fingers! :D
Can't wait.
Ben
Ibiza's are 1st. Mike said all the ibiza's will be done before christmas. Not 100% sure on other models.
Ibiza's are 1st. Mike said all the ibiza's will be done before christmas. Not 100% sure on other models.
Well Jabba promised me a call before the end of August. Working days wise that leaves tommorow and Tuesday. :)
Ben
Get onto them Ben and get the ball rolling for us all.
Get onto them Ben and get the ball rolling for us all.
One more working day to go in August. If they don't phone me by the end of August (Tuesday) as promised then I'' call them Wednesday morning.
I'll keep you posted.
Ben
Elton has told Custardcupra to expect a phone call in the next 14 days to arrange a date to book his car in. Its looking good for all on the IHI list. Well Ibiza's that is.
<sulking>
May end up buying a faster car at this rate...
I have been on the list for about 14 months. Dont quote me but i am sure Ibiza's (100%) are first, then i think mike said agu golfs, then the rest. Just hang in a little longer. I am willing to wait until March/april 2005 max for a big turbo kit after that its bye bye Ibiza. Its been a real pain the last 14 months. I thought i would of had it this time last year.
Its certainly taking its time, but hopefully it'll be worth the wait!
Ben
Shock_Xe
28-08-2004, 08:54
Not wanting to be negative but after this Long wait it seems that the car is gonna be off the road more than on, with problems that are cropping up
no my cars been ok up until now and it was my fault about the diff as i put slicks on to drag with - been told the gearbox is fine its just the diff and i know a few people have already got the diff done so they will be ok, i hope
gone be few more ibizas scaring people soon :clap:
ibizacupra
28-08-2004, 13:04
Not wanting to be negative but after this Long wait it seems that the car is gonna be off the road more than on, with problems that are cropping up
LMAO... well Adam is about to find out what real power and breakages is all about is'nt he! :whistle:
Transmission is THE WEAK LINK for those who have been asleep :rolleyes:
23psi boost on mine non its Hybrid and it kicks arse... (gear selection dependant-another issue)
Pulls away from Rob Gravett yesterday in his Focus RS Track Prepped car :D even with big gear selection issues myself.
Only faster car on track yesterday @ Combe (in dry) was Tiff Needell in SR3 Radical... but he was slower down the straights (but boy do they corner on rails or what!)-RESPECT.. :)
With 342bhp SpS, have you ever been left trailing by another car out there on the roads. I want 330bhp+ just for my Scooby slaying really. when there eyes fill and tears roll thats my fave bit.
Shock_Xe
28-08-2004, 19:53
LMAO... well Adam is about to find out what real power and breakages is all about is'nt he! :whistle:
Transmission is THE WEAK LINK for those who have been asleep :rolleyes:
23psi boost on mine non its Hybrid and it kicks arse... (gear selection dependant-another issue)
Oh yes!!!
He already signed up for the AA :confused: Expecting to use it on the way to/from Trax :rolleyes: ;) :roflmao: :whistle: :hide:
Hopefully got a cheap source for 02m boxes. (there is a diesel 6spd 02m??) Also bill, I need a part No for the AGU cylinder head....
Aperently He thinks he can get them!!!
Not wanting to be negative but after this Long wait it seems that the car is gonna be off the road more than on, with problems that are cropping up
Hi Mike,
AFAIK the only problems with IHI'd Ibizas have been with either Bills car, which has far more boost than the normal stage 3, or with Ibizas running with standard diffs.... Jabba have clearly stated that the Ibiza gearboxs standard diff will not cope with the Stage 3 kit (Its on their website even now).
Not having a go at anyone here, but if you get the stage 3 upgrade on your car without fully preparing the car first (ie. upgrading the clutch and diff) then you can't blame Jabba when said parts fail (Not that anyone has blamed Jabba). This is not a reflection on the kits reliability.
AFAIK, no IHI'd car with uprated clutch and diff and running standard stage 3 bost has had any issues at all (Saying that, I don't think such a car is out there ATM!).
Ben
Jabba said stnd gearbox is good for 270lbs ft. And thats what they map it to dont they. I am sure a new clutch and uprated gearbox is req. Look how long jabbas demo car lasted on a stnd gearbox, quite a while.
One of the limiting factors of the stage3 kit must be the IhI vf34 turbo. It will be flat out at 330-340bhp. It wont flow anymore air i am sure. The next jump would be summit like a IhI vf22 which would prob go to 400-420bhp ish (i may be wrong) but the lag may be quite severe on stnd compression with a boost spike of 18.5psi and 18psi sustained. The only good thing is jabba have had no turbo failures that we know of. So even though the turbo's at its max it seems to be coping. Most scoobs running ihi vf34's max out @ 320-340bhp roller dependent.
"With 342bhp SpS, have you ever been left trailing by another car out there on the roads. I want 330bhp+ just for my Scooby slaying really. when there eyes fill and tears roll thats my fave bit"
nope never been left by anything really - had a 911 turbo pull away a little but thats cos i wasnt ready for him as he didnt want to play at first, and a SL55 AMG that was quick but i had to pull off the next junction so never got to se what it could do but i did undertake him. want to try against a skyline just to say ive beaten one
Shock_Xe
29-08-2004, 16:58
Hi Mike,
AFAIK the only problems with IHI'd Ibizas have been with either Bills car, which has far more boost than the normal stage 3, or with Ibizas running with standard diffs.... Jabba have clearly stated that the Ibiza gearboxs standard diff will not cope with the Stage 3 kit (Its on their website even now).
Not having a go at anyone here, but if you get the stage 3 upgrade on your car without fully preparing the car first (ie. upgrading the clutch and diff) then you can't blame Jabba when said parts fail (Not that anyone has blamed Jabba). This is not a reflection on the kits reliability.
AFAIK, no IHI'd car with uprated clutch and diff and running standard stage 3 bost has had any issues at all (Saying that, I don't think such a car is out there ATM!).
Ben
Not Stating any different!!!
Just saying that weaknesses in the car are showing, when mileage and age is added on...
Some one got the wrong end of the stick!
Right IHI failiures i've heard about, and I have a bit of an interest in it as i've got a vf34 on my daily driver.
ex jabba golf. droped a valve at the nurburgring recently.
Bills car toasted a turbo recently. Bill taking the piss out of the turbo
Amd fitted a kit to a golf. Turbo popped yesterday. Owners taking the piss out of the turbo.
Amd fitted a kit to another golf. Engine fell out a couple of weeks ago due to engine mount failure. Whole host of other problems, not ihi related.
Jabba golf, customers car, high milage>100k, no probs, but had to replace a worn out gearbox.
Another golf with kit fitted by 3rd party. No info at the moment.
SPS's car. Gearbox failiure i think.
My car. Only had the kit on for 500miles. Fitted and Mapped by third party. No probs as yet and not expecting any. Only running 1.15 bar and made 290hp 290lbft on JBS's rollers. Standard cars made bang on standar figures.
Jabba only run it at 1.25 (18.5 psi) bar dropping down to 1.22(18 psi) bar (I think). So if your running 1.15bar 16.9 psi i cant see how its going to make another 40-50bhp off another 1.6psi at spike. It would suggest jabba's 330-350bhp is not really achievable unless you use there rolling road. Maybe the stage3 kit is really on making 320bhp or there abouts on more realistic rollers. What do people reckon. Am i barking up the wrong tree (power wise)?.
Jabba said stnd gearbox is good for 270lbs ft. And thats what they map it to dont they. I am sure a new clutch and uprated gearbox is req. Look how long jabbas demo car lasted on a stnd gearbox, quite a while
Hi Gary,
Yes the standard gearbox is good for 270lbs ft as you say, but the stage 3 kit is 290lbs ft, and so they don't advise using the standard gearbox with the stage 3 kit.... they advise fitting the Quaife ATB diff which should then make the gearbox good for 320lbs ft.
So, anyone using the standard gearbox with the stage 3 kit can expect it to fail.
One of the limiting factors of the stage3 kit must be the IhI vf34 turbo. It will be flat out at 330-340bhp. It wont flow anymore air i am sure. The next jump would be summit like a IhI vf22 which would prob go to 400-420bhp ish (i may be wrong) but the lag may be quite severe on stnd compression with a boost spike of 18.5psi and 18psi sustained. The only good thing is jabba have had no turbo failures that we know of. So even though the turbo's at its max it seems to be coping. Most scoobs running ihi vf34's max out @ 320-340bhp roller dependent.
Mike told me that the stage 3 kit runs relatively low boost but the turbo is capable of running up to 2 bar! So the turbo isn't the limiting factor. Obviously the standard engine and gearbox wouldn;t be able to cope with that power (Or heat). There are loads of other things that restrict the power output, such as the exhaust port sizes etc.
Not Stating any different!!!
Just saying that weaknesses in the car are showing, when mileage and age is added on...
Some one got the wrong end of the stick!
Hi Mike,
I think we are misunderstanding each other.
My point is that the problems being seen are nothing to do with the age or milage of the car, the problems are due to people fitting the kits to cars without uprating the required parts first.... for example fitting the 290lbs ft stage 3 upgrade to a car with a standard gearbox which is only safe up to 270lbs ft.
AFAIK there aren't ANY Ibizas out there running the standard stage 3 upgrade with the advised associated upgrades (eg. Quaife).
Cheers
Ben
SpS went stage3 and his car made 342bhp or summit and 270lbs ft i am sure. Please feel free to correct me if i am wrong.
http://www.seatcupra.net/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=7057
277.54463678159 lbs ft. 341.7bhp.
Also Bill made 286 @ the wheels at Powerstation recently. But on jabba's he was seeing a good bit more.
from what i can find out on scoob forums, the ihi vf34 is good for about 320-330hp max if tuned properly. At 300hp, you're maxing out a tt maf, and need to move up to an s4 maf or bigger. I made between 265 and 270hp at the wheels on 3 runs today, and it's running way rich at the moment just to be safe.
But ultimately its not just about numbers. This turbo is perfect for the car. It's flexible and when you want it to be its effin oh my god quick. If you go bigger than this in a 1.8t, you're just after numbers, and not a car that you want to drive.
290-300whp should be possible with the right setup. I dont know how well the cars were ran @ powerstation. But the scooby boys normally see 320bhp there, and 340bhp @ Power Engineering. So looking at it maybe jabba aint far off the mark claiming 330bhp-350bhp on there rollers. In Bills case 286bhp would show 315-330bhp @ the crank at powerstation. And anywhere from 335-355 @ power engineering. I spoke to Custardcupra today and we both said the same thing @ present on Jabba's rollers were seeing 210bhp @ the wheels with IHI we will more than likely see 300-310 @ the wheels on the same rollers with more torque and bhp futher towards a 7500rpm redline. So its still 90-100bhp @ the wheels more than what we have now. I think the majority of cars (ibiza's) with the stage3 kit mapped by jabba on there rollers will see 335-340bhp @ the crank max. I dont think 350bhp is there for the majority of us. But i am sure it will still be a handfull and more than enough for road use. When mine's done i am gonna see if i can get an Atw power run at G-Force. And one @ Well Lane just for comparrisons sake.
gearbox is FINE - autotechniks told me there is nothing wrong with it and they are just sorting out a problem with changing to 3rd from 2nd. Its just the diff that went and i knew it would.
yes i have had an evo, was not a happy bunny pulled away at 120 easily to about 145 and he just couldnt keep up.
Whats the rev limit set at on your car SPS. And have you had it on any other rollers or just Jabba's.
not sure think it might be 7500 it goes well into the 7000's if i keep it in gear too long - 1st - nope not been on any other rollers but jabbas will have to just to see - will be going on thier new rollers when they get them so will be able to see if they were a bit generous, but having water injection fitted soon when i get it re-mapped then i will be comparing RR's
ibizacupra
30-08-2004, 16:49
One of the limiting factors of the stage3 kit must be the IhI vf34 turbo. It will be flat out at 330-340bhp. It wont flow anymore air i am sure. The next jump would be summit like a IhI vf22 which would prob go to 400-420bhp ish (i may be wrong) but the lag may be quite severe on stnd compression with a boost spike of 18.5psi and 18psi sustained. The only good thing is jabba have had no turbo failures that we know of. So even though the turbo's at its max it seems to be coping. Most scoobs running ihi vf34's max out @ 320-340bhp roller dependent.
I was running VF34....... not flat out either 22psi boost on my settings.
No failures? Well........ :whistle: mine melted... does that count? :p
High boost, lagged downpipe, excessive oil consumption form breather system = overheated housing.. Melt Down.
Amazingly the actual cartidge, housing, bearings & turbine were pretty good, despite the meltdown of the housing and wastegate. Woops!
ibizacupra
30-08-2004, 16:50
Any run ins with Evo's.
Easy peasy... part from Norris Designs type monstors!!!! Yikes!
ibizacupra
30-08-2004, 16:52
Jabba only run it at 1.25 (18.5 psi) bar dropping down to 1.22(18 psi) bar (I think). So if your running 1.15bar 16.9 psi i cant see how its going to make another 40-50bhp off another 1.6psi at spike. It would suggest jabba's 330-350bhp is not really achievable unless you use there rolling road. Maybe the stage3 kit is really on making 320bhp or there abouts on more realistic rollers. What do people reckon. Am i barking up the wrong tree (power wise)?.
Maybe you should also look at the Stealth RR dyno for mine...
Did the same power from day 1 as it did @ Jabba. 325bhp when originally done. More to power than boost levels ;)
ibizacupra
30-08-2004, 16:59
Also Bill made 286 @ the wheels at Powerstation recently. But on jabba's he was seeing a good bit more.
RECENTLY! Nope! Absolutely ages ago, well into last year. Took a long time to hit print. Power Station? Erm nope! Never been there with IHI dude... you need to check your facts. Interpro... in Rabbit magazine.. yes. ;)
What you don't see is EVERY car at Interpro faded into oblivion with really long power runs... x4 on my own motor consequetively.. EAK! Translucent turbo/manifold/downpipe on those runs... Scarey stuff.
You simply cannot compare rollers with rollers, not knowing what the actual condition of the runs were, or how other also faired on the same dyno.... Significantly different on the Interpro day as you will notice from the actual write up.
ibizacupra
30-08-2004, 17:01
At 300hp, you're maxing out a tt maf, and need to move up to an s4 maf or bigger.
..............or tweeked ;)
As I said, there is more to this than just boost levels (which some peeps seem fixated upon- not you btw :) )
All I need is a transmission which can reliably keep this power to the ground. :whistle: :hide:
Yep Interpro. I dont know why i thought Powerstation. Nothing wrong with considering boost levels. As what else do us non IHI runners have to go on other than word of mouth, figures from RR'd, spec sheets and what the tuners and users say the are running at at. It was so long ago i have forgotton what it was like. (Jabba's demo car). As long as Jabba come good before the end of November i guess i will know first hand what Stage 3 IHI is like. Cheers
ibizacupra
30-08-2004, 18:28
Yep Interpro. I dont know why i thought Powerstation. Nothing wrong with considering boost levels. As what else do us non IHI runners have to go on other than word of mouth, figures from RR'd, spec sheets and what the tuners and users say the are running at at. It was so long ago i have forgotton what it was like. (Jabba's demo car). As long as Jabba come good before the end of November i guess i will know first hand what Stage 3 IHI is like. Cheers
Interpro use similar dyno setup to Powerstation.. both which suk for 1.8T motors with high sustained load and massive heatsoak. Ever seen a PD brought to its knees on a dyno? :p We did on that day.. :-o
I hope Jabba sort the installs out in a timely manner for you guys. :rolleyes:
Boost levels are misleading... but overly quoted as where the power comes from. Yes it does, but not alone. (high boost no ign = low power and high EGT)
On another forum there's a post of a 26psi target boost level on a big turbo setup.. which on an otherwise stock engine makes me shudder. Will see how well it does, when its boost eventually does come in (@ 5K rpm) and how long it lasts. (26psi on stock 9.5:1 CR = EAK!)
Liams MK4 continues to run well so far as I know.
AmD mapped ones don't seem to have faired so well.... (boost related? customer hooning around related? Who knows)
I hope so as well Bill. "I hope Jabba sort the installs out in a timely manner for you guys. "
I've had enough of waiting, its time to put up or shut up for Jabba now.
ibizacupra
30-08-2004, 22:37
I hope so as well Bill. "I hope Jabba sort the installs out in a timely manner for you guys. "
I've had enough of waiting, its time to put up or shut up for Jabba now.
True.
There loss (and yours) if it happens.
Fingers and toes crossed it all come to plan.
:thumbup:
SpS went stage3 and his car made 342bhp or summit and 270lbs ft i am sure. Please feel free to correct me if i am wrong.
From that graph it appears to be 278ft lbs. The Jabba website quotes the stage 3 as 285-290 LB FT, so thats pretty close. Still 278 LB FT is still over the 270LB FT limit of the 02J gearbox that Jabba quote.
Personally, I'd always want a saftey margin.... so if I'm gonna have 290LB FT then I'd want the gearbox to be safe upto atleast 310LB FT.
I'm even a little uncomfortable with the rods which are rated at 335LB FT.... I might get them upgraded too.
Cheers
Ben
Fingers crossed for the call tommorow.
Place your bets.....
Ben
ibizacupra
31-08-2004, 08:21
From that graph it appears to be 278ft lbs. The Jabba website quotes the stage 3 as 285-290 LB FT, so thats pretty close. Still 278 LB FT is still over the 270LB FT limit of the 02J gearbox that Jabba quote.
Personally, I'd always want a saftey margin.... so if I'm gonna have 290LB FT then I'd want the gearbox to be safe upto atleast 310LB FT.
I'm even a little uncomfortable with the rods which are rated at 335LB FT.... I might get them upgraded too.
Cheers
Ben
Good luck finding a box which can reliably cope Ben.... :rolleyes:
Diff only helps to strengthen the diff pin failure mode... it does'nt effect the actually gears themselves stregth wise.. ;)
All down to use... Use it on track regularly and you will more than likely consume transmission components.
Did I mention quaife SUK! :censored:
Good luck finding a box which can reliably cope Ben.... :rolleyes:
Diff only helps to strengthen the diff pin failure mode... it does'nt effect the actually gears themselves stregth wise.. ;)
All down to use... Use it on track regularly and you will more than likely consume transmission components.
Did I mention quaife SUK! :censored:
Yeah apparently the standard diff is the weakest part. Sort that and the next weakest part is good for 320LB FT, but like you say, if you treat it bad then it will fail.
AFAIK the gearbox is the only as yet unsolved problem on the Ibizas, ie. no-one has found a good solution to the weak gearbox problem on an Ibiza that will be used as a daily driver.
Jabba say that the Quaife gearkit is good for over 400LB FT, but wasn't this what the Golf had (Different gearbox though) when you first got it, and you said it was horrible?
Al at Autotechniks says that he is confident that he could fit the Quaife gear kit and still retain a much nicer feel than you had on the Golf, but even if this is true it doesn't solve the high speed synchro problem.
Dog box/Race boxes are a no no for me and most other people I guess?
02M would be nice, but CAN it be done (Within reason)? Also, adds a bit of weight. :(
Also, as you say.... Quaife are a 'bit' slow ATM, so the gearkits may not even be an option.
I don't know much about other gearbox companies, such as Gemini etc. Do they do anything that might be worth looking at?
Bill, I see that you are having problems with your box? Do you think its just a gremlin that can be fixed, or do you think the box simply isn't adequate for your power (Any idea what its rated at?)? I hope it can be sorted, and cheaply.
Cheers
Ben
ibizacupra
31-08-2004, 13:16
Al at Autotechniks says that he is confident that he could fit the Quaife gear kit and still retain a much nicer feel than you had on the Golf, but even if this is true it doesn't solve the high speed synchro problem.
Ben
My Golf had a horrible vague change yes.. and the synchros did'nt like rev's >6K (not much good when you can go to 8K) - Had a long conversation with Al before plumping for dog box Nov last year. Combination of high revs and high power made the only decision for me... Reality however is something else!
Yea I'm sure it could have been a better box than I had on actual gear change, but doubt whether synchro's could be made to reliably work @ the higher rpms no matter what. Lapping in only lasts a short while.
Running my dog box built now and its turned into a 4spd sequential... Go figure. Had 5th gear selection problem since day #1, and repeated oil leak all reported as they occured (re-occured). :rolleyes: :whistle: :hide:
Now have a 4spd sequential g'box :censored: :thumbd:
Yep! Very impressed. NOT!
Actual use on track has been very minimal due to other problems.
Did Scotland Kames sprint, Curborough sprint, Donington, Castle Combe (2 sessions & retired with sick motor), & Castle Combe on Friday... *5th gear selection problem since Donington. not exactly long lived Motorsport spec box is it???? 02J with a diff worked much longer without problem.
Bill, do you have the quaife bits in the original VW casing, or the Quaife 6 speeder box with their casing?
Fast_Eddie
31-08-2004, 13:54
290-300whp should be possible with the right setup. I dont know how well the cars were ran @ powerstation. But the scooby boys normally see 320bhp there, and 340bhp @ Power Engineering. So looking at it maybe jabba aint far off the mark claiming 330bhp-350bhp on there rollers. In Bills case 286bhp would show 315-330bhp @ the crank at powerstation. And anywhere from 335-355 @ power engineering. I spoke to Custardcupra today and we both said the same thing @ present on Jabba's rollers were seeing 210bhp @ the wheels with IHI we will more than likely see 300-310 @ the wheels on the same rollers with more torque and bhp futher towards a 7500rpm redline. So its still 90-100bhp @ the wheels more than what we have now. I think the majority of cars (ibiza's) with the stage3 kit mapped by jabba on there rollers will see 335-340bhp @ the crank max. I dont think 350bhp is there for the majority of us. But i am sure it will still be a handfull and more than enough for road use. When mine's done i am gonna see if i can get an Atw power run at G-Force. And one @ Well Lane just for comparrisons sake.
From what I have seen at well lane, I wouldn't put a car on their rollers-unless they upped their standards in the last couple of years?
ibizacupra
31-08-2004, 15:53
Bill, do you have the quaife bits in the original VW casing, or the Quaife 6 speeder box with their casing?
02J case with Quaife end case for 6spd bits. Did'nt think/know Quaife did a case other than the end part.
It was a few years back there was a mk3 golf 16v that had a 'full' quaife sequential gearbox inc diff etc for about 6k+vat that they used as a demo car up a hill climb in CCC
I can't remember a lot about the article now, but it just stuck in my head
I figured that it wasn't viable for you as you already owned the diff - I may be mistaken, they may not have made it in production qty's even.
Mark
Off topic a little but does anyone know where i can get a Peloquin Lsd from. Or any info regarding this product. And what clutch's are the best in releation to High power ie IHI.
My Golf had a horrible vague change yes.. and the synchros did'nt like rev's >6K (not much good when you can go to 8K) - Had a long conversation with Al before plumping for dog box Nov last year. Combination of high revs and high power made the only decision for me... Reality however is something else!
Yea I'm sure it could have been a better box than I had on actual gear change, but doubt whether synchro's could be made to reliably work @ the higher rpms no matter what. Lapping in only lasts a short while.
Running my dog box built now and its turned into a 4spd sequential... Go figure. Had 5th gear selection problem since day #1, and repeated oil leak all reported as they occured (re-occured). :rolleyes: :whistle: :hide:
Now have a 4spd sequential g'box :censored: :thumbd:
Yep! Very impressed. NOT!
Actual use on track has been very minimal due to other problems.
Did Scotland Kames sprint, Curborough sprint, Donington, Castle Combe (2 sessions & retired with sick motor), & Castle Combe on Friday... *5th gear selection problem since Donington. not exactly long lived Motorsport spec box is it???? 02J with a diff worked much longer without problem.
What gearbox was it in the Golf?
I originally thought that the Golf 1.8Ts all had the 02M gearbox, which I thought didn't have the high speed synchro problem. But then I seem to remember you changing the box to an 02M, which naturally implies that thats not what was already in there. Did it have an 02J or 02A before, or something else?
Do you know whats caused the problems with your new box (ie. loosing 5th and 6th)? Are they stripped or just a selection problem? I guess they are not stripped as the lower gears would go first wouldn't they?
Any idea how to fix it so that it doesn't happen again?
Good luck
Ben
Any news Ben?.
Yes, I phoned Jabbasport today and spoke to Elton.
Its now booked in for 27th September, but the date could slip a couple of days because the car in before me is the first mk4 Ibiza they've done and so there could be delays.
So, hopefully things will actually happen! :thumbup:
We've even discussed the next step after the stage 3 too. I'm gonna go for the large port head, engined bored to 1.9 with uprated rods and pistons.... IF a gearbox solution can be found that is!
Cheers
Ben
Off topic a little but does anyone know where i can get a Peloquin Lsd from. Or any info regarding this product. And what clutch's are the best in releation to High power ie IHI.
madmile had this link off a mate don't know if it any good to to u but here it is
http://www.kompressorkanada.ca/tuning/oemperf.htm
madmile
www.thescirocco.com
Top service, and the cheapest you'll find. Be prepared for a wait though if they're not in stock
Cheers. There good prices. I aint in no real hurry. I have my current clutch in place 38k and it seems okay. I also have a new spare oem stock clutch. I aint to sure what to do when my current clutch gives up with IHI on. Should i use the new spare oem clutch then get an uprated one or just go straight to an uprated one.
"How long is a piece of string"
Anyone hazard a guess to a rough milage a stnd Ibiza 20vt clutch (new one) will last on my car with the stage 3 IHI kit on. I dont do qtr miles or standing starts. Is it worth putting it in ?.
Dormouse
31-08-2004, 23:04
What gearbox was it in the Golf?
I originally thought that the Golf 1.8Ts all had the 02M gearbox, which I thought didn't have the high speed synchro problem. But then I seem to remember you changing the box to an 02M, which naturally implies that thats not what was already in there. Did it have an 02J or 02A before, or something else?
Do you know whats caused the problems with your new box (ie. loosing 5th and 6th)? Are they stripped or just a selection problem? I guess they are not stripped as the lower gears would go first wouldn't they?
Any idea how to fix it so that it doesn't happen again?
Good luck
Ben
Doubt if it' stripped. Prolly a selector rod issue I would think. Development eh?
Dor.
ibizacupra
01-09-2004, 08:10
Yes, I phoned Jabbasport today and spoke to Elton.
Its now booked in for 27th September, but the date could slip a couple of days because the car in before me is the first mk4 Ibiza they've done and so there could be delays.
So, hopefully things will actually happen! :thumbup:
We've even discussed the next step after the stage 3 too. I'm gonna go for the large port head, engined bored to 1.9 with uprated rods and pistons.... IF a gearbox solution can be found that is!
Cheers
Ben
Get valves replaced as well if changing engine spec & head.
No point having good bottom end with stock (fragile) top end. When it fails if will destroy the bottom end as well... :whistle: :hide:
you have been warned!
Dormouse
01-09-2004, 10:52
Get valves replaced as well if changing engine spec & head.
No point having good bottom end with stock (fragile) top end. When it fails if will destroy the bottom end as well... :whistle: :hide:
you have been warned!
Which presumably means inserts, springs yah de yah aswell.....?
Dor.
Get valves replaced as well if changing engine spec & head.
No point having good bottom end with stock (fragile) top end. When it fails if will destroy the bottom end as well... :whistle: :hide:
you have been warned!
Ok cheers Bill, I will do.
What valves would you recommend? Sodium filled valves I guess, but what ones specifically?
Anything else I should get done on it whilst its 'open'?
I may well buy another car for road use, and use the Ibiza just for the track.
I guess I'll have all the oil surge problems to look forward to once I get my slicks! :(
Anyway, I spoke to Elton again today (He called me). Just clairified some of the options I've selected etc, and he sent me the latest prices.
One correction to my earlier mail... its not a mk4 Ibiza thats in the week before me, its a Golf.
Starting to get excited now. :D
Now I need to make up my mind about whether to use the Ibiza purely for track or not, so that I can decide what seats and rollcage to fit in it.
Cheers
Ben
i'm having a pelequin diff fitted as we speak from autotechniks cost me £600 then fitting is on top.
i'm having a pelequin diff fitted as we speak from autotechniks cost me £600 then fitting is on top.
Interesting. Autotechniks fitted my Quaife (£600 parts and about £600 fitting).
I wonder what Al's opinion will be of the Pelequin compared to the Quaife.
Cheers
Ben
Dormouse
02-09-2004, 12:53
Interesting. Autotechniks fitted my Quaife (£600 parts and about £600 fitting).
I wonder what Al's opinion will be of the Pelequin compared to the Quaife.
Cheers
Ben
Are they both gear diffs? plate diffs? or what?
How many has autotechnic fitted of each? do they use the cars day to day? The proof is in the pudding as they say :D
Dor.
Are they both gear diffs? plate diffs? or what?
How many has autotechnic fitted of each? do they use the cars day to day? The proof is in the pudding as they say :D
Dor.
They are both gear type torque biasing diffs.
Autotechniks have fitted quite a few Quaifes but I'm not aware of them fitting Pelequins before but they may of done.
I heard that the Quaife and Pelequin designs are very similar due to the fact that Quaife never patented their design in the US... not sure how true that is?
Cheers
Ben
Dormouse
02-09-2004, 13:34
They are both gear type torque biasing diffs.
Autotechniks have fitted quite a few Quaifes but I'm not aware of them fitting Pelequins before but they may of done.
I heard that the Quaife and Pelequin designs are very similar due to the fact that Quaife never patented their design in the US... not sure how true that is?
Cheers
Ben
Diff design for the same diff type (gear type torque biasing) is going to be similar. I suggest the only different is likely gear dimentions, and overall material quality, i.e steel compositions, quality of machining bearing quality etc.
I have not heard anything particularly bad about the quaiffe set, so pottentially that's what I'd go for given the option (if it ain't broke etc)
Dor
Diff design for the same diff type (gear type torque biasing) is going to be similar. I suggest the only different is likely gear dimentions, and overall material quality, i.e steel compositions, quality of machining bearing quality etc.
I have not heard anything particularly bad about the quaiffe set, so pottentially that's what I'd go for given the option (if it ain't broke etc)
Dor
Well I've got the Quaife and I like it, although from what I've read the Pelequin design has a few improvements in some of the areas you mentioned.
I thought the main difference was price, but given that the Pelequin is £600 it appears that they are the same price now.... so the main difference now is probably availability with Quaifes having a long lead time if they don't have any in stock.
Ben
Quaife is £575+vat +£85+vat for fitting kit.
Peloquins can be had for under $800 delivered to your door from the US. I make that about £450 v £775 for the quaife.
ibizacupra
02-09-2004, 16:18
Diff design for the same diff type (gear type torque biasing) is going to be similar. I suggest the only different is likely gear dimentions, and overall material quality, i.e steel compositions, quality of machining bearing quality etc.
I have not heard anything particularly bad about the quaiffe set, so pottentially that's what I'd go for given the option (if it ain't broke etc)
Dor
Peloquin are superior in some of the fixings and hardware they use, and they supply everything you want inclusive of the kit.
quaife charge extra for everything. :censored:
moot point of course as Quaife aint available until they deem they will get round to making some! :rolleyes: :hide:
Quaife is £575+vat +£85+vat for fitting kit.
Peloquins can be had for under $800 delivered to your door from the US. I make that about £450 v £775 for the quaife.
Their prices must of changed then, cos my Quaife was £600 for parts (Including fitting kit).
In fact, a mate knows someone at Quaife and they said that they would do the whole lot for £600 fitted if I could take the gearbox to them (ie. not the whole car), but i didn't fancy taking the gearbox off myself.
Ben
moot point of course as Quaife aint available until they deem they will get round to making some! :rolleyes: :hide:
I hope that's only 02J diffs as I dropped my Corrado in with Vince today for a Quaife (amongst other things) and the only thing he said he was waiting for was the diff bolt kit.
ibizacupra
03-09-2004, 08:16
I hope that's only 02J diffs as I dropped my Corrado in with Vince today for a Quaife (amongst other things) and the only thing he said he was waiting for was the diff bolt kit.
That was 02J's with Quaife.... but when they run out again.... expect a long wait.
Does amyone know where to get the Peloquin Diff from in the States. I'm not bothering with the Quaife now as I need something ASAP.
P.s.
I got the carbon pads through on Saturday Bill. They are still being run in but the difference is amazing!!!!!
:clap: :clap: :clap: :clap:
Does amyone know where to get the Peloquin Diff from in the States. I'm not bothering with the Quaife now as I need something ASAP.
P.s.
I got the carbon pads through on Saturday Bill. They are still being run in but the difference is amazing!!!!!
:clap: :clap: :clap: :clap:
http://www.thescirocco.com/peloquin.html
Ben
I found myself looking at Evo's and Scoobs today. I need a boost of motivation quick. Do people reckon Jabba are going to get these Ibizas kits fitted before the End of November or am i just kidding myself?. I am so close to giving in. Help!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I found myself looking at Evo's and Scoobs today.
Give over, you big jessy, you'll be moving to Brambles Farm next! :D
You'll end up being the bloke, red-faced with frustration, when Jool's yellow Ibiza smacks your @rse in your Jap-wagon! ;)
I found myself looking at Evo's and Scoobs today. I need a boost of motivation quick. Do people reckon Jabba are going to get these Ibizas kits fitted before the End of November or am i just kidding myself?. I am so close to giving in. Help!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I've wanted an Evo for years, but now they just don't seem special any more. They just arn't that fast really. Driven one and it didn't feel much faster than my chipped Ibiza (Ok its fast off the line)!
I think that if you bought an Ibiza you'd be very disappointed.
I understand your frustration with the IHI, but it des appear to be coming closer now. I now actually have a date for mine (27th Sept!) and so at worst I can see the date slipping by a week, 2 at most, but not months! Then once mines done all the rest will be in at a rate of about 1 a week (I think).
Give it 2 more months.
Ben
I am just frickin sick of waiting, i drive the car once a week now as it is just no fun anymore. I think i will give it until November and if i aint heard anything i may turn my attention to superbikes again. I have my bike licence going to waste.
As for going to Bramble's Farm Glenn, i would sooner cut a knacker off. Most people have seen "The Delivernce" with Burt Reynolds "Squeal like a pig for me". I hear thats a regular thing down that way.
I am just at the end of my patience with it all, the Ibiza aint getting any younger, i am getting zero pleasure from driving it. I have been waiting 14-16 months and i have had about enough. Lets hope i get a phone call in the next month.
I made the decision to go IHI , bought the bits a couple of weeks later, had JBS fit it, with a few mods to make it fit, got it mapped, and wehey it's a monster. I realy don't know why you're all wingeing and fcuking around.
Buy the bits, get it fitted by a good mechanic/welder, get it mapped, job done.
What did JBS charge to fit the kit, if its the same as what Jabba charge £500 i will order a kit tomorrow
I made the decision to go IHI , bought the bits a couple of weeks later, had JBS fit it, with a few mods to make it fit, got it mapped, and wehey it's a monster. I realy don't know why you're all wingeing and fcuking around.
Buy the bits, get it fitted by a good mechanic/welder, get it mapped, job done.
Where did you get hte bits from?
Up until recently the problem has been that not everything was available, such as the downpipe.
Who mapped it for you? Jabba? What power did you get?
Ben
Shock_Xe
08-09-2004, 22:20
Where did you get hte bits from?
Up until recently the problem has been that not everything was available, such as the downpipe.
Who mapped it for you? Jabba? What power did you get?
Ben
its a Golf so bits are available
Got 290/290 last time i heard but wasnt fully mapped
Revo map I think?
its a Golf so bits are available
Got 290/290 last time i heard but wasnt fully mapped
Revo map I think?
I didn't think Revo done custom maps? :confused:
Ben
Jbs fitted it. Made a custom downpipe, custom intake. Cost v close to madmiles guess, Revo BT. The same bits are available for the beeza.
Custom maps, don't make me laugh. TT/s3 map tweaked, using a tt maf, and 440cc injectors.Max out load request, use a boost contoler to hold boost at the top end. The ECU will adjust out injectors up to 130% of the design size. 440/380=?. Well within adaption.
Then again I have a proper map. No error codes, (no cat) just smooth OMG fast power. Going to stealth tomorrow running slightly more boost.
Slightly tweaked map!?
i would of thought it would require a complete new map as a map of revs Vs airflow Vs Fuel Vs Torque request would look totally different for an IHI!?
Still, if it works it works, and I presume you've had the A/F ratio properly checked with a wideband sensor?
Ben
i would of thought it would require a complete new map
you would have thought that....
you would have thought that....
:) Of course I would.
but as it's been explained to me by more than 1 person - they[jabbasport] do need somewhere to start.
and as dimsport don't make IHI 'chips' they've had to get the biggest turbo one going & move the tables as much as they can.
remember - dimsport can't access as much of the ECU as other ECU's from 3rd parties - so whatever you do you're still bound by it's preprogrammed maximum's (and therefore error codes)
eg - if max boost is 1.5bar according to the ECU, then once you're past that then the ECU will log a fault.
Not saying it's a bodge, but that there are other, perhaps better ways.
you just need someone who can program a luminition / motec
I wasn't on about the map I'm running. I'm running 470 cc injectors at 4 bar. my long and short term fuel trims are near enough zero. A fueling map was done on kevs car with the same injectors on an e05. The rest is just maths. Air fuel of 12.5, lamda of 0.81-0.83, and 8-10 dbtdc for timing on boost, give or take. Not exactly rocket science.
Ever wondered why early IHI cars had s3 ecu's. Couldn't work out how to write an s3 prog to a golf/ibeza ecu perhaps. :whistle:
Come on now guys, don't go scaring the punters. You don't really want them to know that you can count the number of VAG "tuners" with recognised industry experience/qualifications/training above the level of technician on the thumbs of one hand or how many of them have shonky business dealings going back over 15 years that I can remember. The VAG aftermarket industry would collapse if the customers could be @rsed to learn about their cars - there are more charlatans in this game than in a branch of estate agents.
Come on now guys, don't go scaring the punters. You don't really want them to know that you can count the number of VAG "tuners" with recognised industry experience/qualifications/training above the level of technician on the thumbs of one hand or how many of them have shonky business dealings going back over 15 years that I can remember. The VAG aftermarket industry would collapse if the customers could be @rsed to learn about their cars - there are more charlatans in this game than in a branch of estate agents.
lol :roflmao: :roflmao:
I spoke to Amd and Jbs this morning both refused to fit IHI kits.
Shock_Xe
09-09-2004, 10:38
I spoke to Amd and Jbs this morning both refused to fit IHI kits.
:blink: :whistle: :hide: :confused:
I think that AMD had some issues with getting them reliable.
Shock_Xe
09-09-2004, 10:51
I think that AMD had some issues with getting them reliable.
Im pretty sure a few went bang
that would be another way of saying it :D - for once I was being diplomatic.
I'm surprised at JBS. Maybee they have something in the pipeline themselves.
They did swear a lot while fitting mine, and I guess the Ibeza would be harder due to less space. Go and see them and talk to them about it. They're putting a 1.8t into a lupo at the moment, so they'll have a go at anything if you ask them nicely and pay well.
Spoke to vince at stealth this morning and he's fitting one to a Mk2 glof. Engines on a stand, and he still said it was a biatch. He said he wouldn't even consider fitting one without pulling the engine out.
AMD have done 2 or 3, and they've had all kinds of problems with both fitting and reliability.
I'm not pushing mine too hard for exactly that reason. I'm happy with a nice solid 300hp for now. Over a 1000 miles on it now without any DTC's or mechanical problems. I'm just hoping to get over 20mpg one day.
but as it's been explained to me by more than 1 person - they[jabbasport] do need somewhere to start.
and as dimsport don't make IHI 'chips' they've had to get the biggest turbo one going & move the tables as much as they can.
remember - dimsport can't access as much of the ECU as other ECU's from 3rd parties - so whatever you do you're still bound by it's preprogrammed maximum's (and therefore error codes)
eg - if max boost is 1.5bar according to the ECU, then once you're past that then the ECU will log a fault.
Not saying it's a bodge, but that there are other, perhaps better ways.
you just need someone who can program a luminition / motec
Do Jabba use Dimsport then? I thought that Dimsport was more of a "have a go yourself" hobbyist level tool?
Ben
Yup
www.dimsport.com
login to teh download bit (guest, guest) and all becomes clear.
Listed as a Tuner in their listings
http://www.dimsport.com/ricerca/ricerca.aspx
Jbs flat refused to get involved with the IHI kit again regardless of what i paid them. Maybe its not all its cracked up to be?.
neeleyveeley
09-09-2004, 15:40
Jbs flat refused to get involved with the IHI kit again regardless of what i paid them. Maybe its not all its cracked up to be?.
Did they give any reasons why at all?
I'd rather not say on a public forum. But i think it speaks for itself really.
neeleyveeley
09-09-2004, 15:53
Fair enough - I get the jist of it though ;)
Bloody hell two steps forward, three back. I feel an E05 moment coming on.
looking like a chipped LCR then Gary :) or maybe a homebrew GTrS2871 :drool: kin huge market here why dont someone nail it for once and for all :confused:
vern
I tell u what i am thinking, Adam and Mikes (am motorsport manifold) gt28rs with a 64 AR. All Mike and adams harware kit, a go for a safe 300-320bhp. I cant see why a Gt28r with a 64 ar cant make nice power on the Ibiza.
The Gt2871r may be to laggy and a little over kill it is after all a 400bhp turbo. I would think i could make 270-280 at the wheels with a GT28rs.
28rs should make 300whp with ease. Won't fully spool to about 4k though. There's only so much lag you can cope with. get a turbo thats in by 3k and runs to 7.5k. Maximise your powerband at the same time as maximising power.
I've got about 265whp, and I've had more ooh sh1t moments in the last 1000 miles than I've had in the previous 300,000. Un fortunately your brakes don't improve because you get more power. Put this kind of power in an ibeza and don't respect it at your own risk
Dormouse
09-09-2004, 21:22
Put this kind of power in an ibeza and don't respect it at your own risk
Well said.
Dor.
Wilko did you go the full ihi kit manifold the lot. Jabba told me i could make 300bhp on a stock manifold. I have heard the Gt28rs is a little laggy and runs out of power at 7200rpm, the .64 ar being the better one out of the 2.
Theres not a lot i can do anyway at the moment, i cant find anyone willing to fit a kit anyway.
I bought manifold, turbo, oil line in, water line in, exhaust adapter.
Manifold is good. Turbo can be had for half the money, oil and water Line fit (sort of)
used a tt maf housing, and Porsche gt3 injectors with a 4 bar fpr.
The car just makes 300hp (real) at 1.25bar sustained boost. Guys in the states make 250hp on a 28rs on a standard manifold, with a lot of work. This is 290hp ish. At high boost, you may make 300hp on a standard manifold, but it isn't very healthy. My standard manifold was cracked to hell and back after the e05.
The kits good for 330-340hp max with good fuel, proper tuning etc, etc. But to be honest it's enough. I reckon turbos ruining wastegate shut at 1.4 bar at 7000rpm, which is no more than 330hp. Sti spec C uses this turbo, and litchfield imports get 333hp out of it on a 2l with lower compression ratio. I guess they are pretty much maxing out the turbo.
Vern may of hit on somthing here Gt2871r Dyno graph with a gt28rs to compare power is at the wheels i think.
http://www.atpturbo.com/root/releases/images/release062104/gt2871r_dyno.gif
Sps dyno http://www.seatcupra.net/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=7057
Gt2871r does not look a great deal diff from IHI. What do people think ?.
Gt2871r peak power is at 6750rpm, IHI is 6692rpm. IHI looks like it makes 117bhp @ the wheels at 3500rpm. The gt2871r looks like 120-125@ the wheels at 3500rpm. And both cars seem to be making 180lbs ft at 3500rpm roughly. I know dyno are diff, but intresting to see figures so slose to each other in just about every dept. Theres people on here with more knowledge than me whats there take on it?.
Dynos are different, and the jabba dyno is low load, so the turbo apears to spool up later than it does in reality. Mines hitting full boost by 3.5k, so 300lbft, and making 1 bar by 3k, so >250lbft. Its making 0.5 bar by 2.5k which is 190lbft ish.
I made about 170 whp at 3500 at jbs a couple of weeks ago.
Dynos can be very misleading, as load applied makes such a difference to spool up and also top end power.
The 28rs appears to be aproximately 10-15% bigger in rated airflow capacity from the few charts that I can find, so it's going to spool a little slower than the IHI, but they're both ideal turbos for this engine, retaining wide useable power bands. What use is a turbo that doesn't spool until 5k+?
Also have you noticed how many blown engines have started popping up in the states, now they're pushing 350whp and beyond.
It looks like the Gt28rs ia making 170bhp @ the wheels at 3500rpm and 225lbs ft at 3000rpm and 280lbs ft at 3500rpm. The Gt28rs does look like a nice turbo. It map well be an option to run it at 18.5psi/18psi to the redline and aim for a true 300bhp and about 265-270 whp.
Maybe i have got the bhp bug, 300bhp in my ibiza on a Gt28rs and not running it to the death may be the way forward. Not pushing it so hard may be the best option. A true 300bhp Ibiza should still be enough to continue my Scooby Slaying.
Remember, you don't want too much torque as its the torque that will break things.
I'd prefer to have 350bhp 290lbft than 350bhp 320lbft.... or atleast until I uprate a few things (Gearbox!).
Ben
Ben your driving style will have much more to do with breaking things than actual torque. The torque generated is not enough to make things fail directly. It's the shock loading that'll break things. Lots of wheelspinning, getting air and then landing on ful power, or any other 11/10's behaviour that puts large shocks into the drive train will break stuff.
torque is just down to boost levels. At 18psi, an IHI will make the same torque/power at the same revs as a 28rs. If you want high power, low torque, then you need big revs, which can be just as damaging as high torque, especially to your gearbox.
Run either turbo at 21psi, you'll get 320lbft. You'll just make power earlier in the rev range, and heat will become a problem quicker.
Agree about the driving style and shock loadings.
I did however think that running higher revs to achieve big power without too much torque was more friendly on the gearbox (Synchros being the exception). I do know however that high revs stress the engine.
Ben
I spotted on vortex a gt28rs with a .64 ar running a constant 17psi it made roughly 250bhp and 250lbs ft at the wheels give or take a few single digit numbers. It was running a little rich and required some fine tuning i think. But its still 280bhp 280lbs ft roughly. Running a constant 18.5psi and leaning it out a little i am sure it would see similar figures as Wilko is running.
Right, i've had enough of this big turbo bollocks which has no answer. I will be keeping a very low profile until a concrete kit turns up. So enjoy yourself gents, i am gonna spend my ihi money on going out with the boys on the lash. Catcha later.
ibizacupra
13-09-2004, 08:49
I think that AMD had some issues with getting them reliable.
Nothing to do with their ability to actually 'map' them then :rolleyes: :whistle:
ibizacupra
13-09-2004, 08:51
I'm just hoping to get over 20mpg one day.
I presume you are still enjoying the power....
got 37mpg when running in the Golf cruising @ 90mph up to Scotland..
(flip side of coin is I could also manage about 4mpg when trying) :bleh:
ibizacupra
13-09-2004, 08:58
...It's the shock loading that'll break things. Lots of wheelspinning, getting air and then landing on ful power, or any other 11/10's behaviour that puts large shocks into the drive train will break stuff.
:rolleyes: :whistle: :hide:
Just an update. The Ibiza kits are not fully completed until the tips come back at the end of the week beginning of next. So i could not have bought a full kit anyway. I am roughly 4th on the Ibiza list. This is including Ben and Custardcupra who is the Ibiza before me. So if Ben is 1st week of October, Jabba are having a weeks holiday after Bens. That leaves me looking at the 1st week or at the latest the 2nd week of November. That is if everyone before me actually goes ahead with there IHI kit.If they dont then i may drop back towards the end of October.
why can't you have their spots if they don't use theirs?
bit like queing for the checkout, but when you get there you're not sure you want the stuff in your trolley.
tesco's would shove you to the back of the queue.
Dormouse
14-09-2004, 20:46
tesco's would shove you to the back of the queue.
Is there a value IHI kit? with blue and white samco hoses? :roflmao:
Dor.
I'm not going to rock the boat to be honest. If the latest date is the middle of November then that will do. If i could have bought the kit Stealth offered to fit it, but not until November anyway. After talking to Stealth today they left me with a really good impression. I will prob visit them for the clutch and Lsd upgrade.
Vince is a top fella.
I think (from the grapevine) that if he were to do another one he'd be keen to have the engine out for ease of access (not major work in all honesty)
Yep the guy said today that he's now taking the engines out for a better quality fit. Sounds like a good idea. I am sure i will use them soon in the future for some work.
I'm not going to rock the boat to be honest. If the latest date is the middle of November then that will do. If i could have bought the kit Stealth offered to fit it, but not until November anyway. After talking to Stealth today they left me with a really good impression. I will prob visit them for the clutch and Lsd upgrade.
Gary as m0rk says and many others on here vince knows his stuff and clutch and lsd would be no probs,met him @ his place on a dyno day,bread and butter stuff to him,also more importantly he knows how to dyno VAG cars with correct load etc ;)
vern
more importantly he knows how to dyno VAG cars with correct load etc
not too low to over read not too high to see it glow
ibizacupra
14-09-2004, 21:39
Ewww Glowing... http://badger-5.com/bin/evo7glowing.wmv
Mines done this too... Scarey when you see it. :-o
I dont think i would have touched that. Have you got any vid of the IhI'd ibiza on the rollers?.
Or any trackday high speed overtaking action?.
ibizacupra
14-09-2004, 22:47
I dont think i would have touched that. Have you got any vid of the IhI'd ibiza on the rollers?.
Some Dyno's done quite some time back.
I like the TSR one for the guys comments after the run..
TSR one.. Freshly converted. Note no C-Cooler.
http://badger-5.com/bin/TSR-RR_Badger.wmv
Glowing maifold (see reflection in heatshield on bulkhead)-Interpro.. Never again! 4 runs like this in a row.. Poor thing!
http://badger-5.com/bin/Badger_glowing_manifold.wmv
Stealth Racing
http://badger-5.com/bin/Bill%20Running%202.AVI
http://badger-5.com/bin/Bill-BHP%20reading.wmv
Motors running faster than ever currently which with my luck means its about to explode! :( :rolleyes: :blink:
Just an update. The Ibiza kits are not fully completed until the tips come back at the end of the week beginning of next. So i could not have bought a full kit anyway. I am roughly 4th on the Ibiza list. This is including Ben and Custardcupra who is the Ibiza before me. So if Ben is 1st week of October, Jabba are having a weeks holiday after Bens. That leaves me looking at the 1st week or at the latest the 2nd week of November. That is if everyone before me actually goes ahead with there IHI kit.If they dont then i may drop back towards the end of October.
Mines end of September unless you know different. :confused:
I wasn't aware that the kit wasn't complete yet.... did SPS have a one off then?
Hope you, and I, get them on time.
I've got other stuff I'm having done that I need to schedule around the IHI, such as my rollcage. If the IHI is gonna be a while then I'll get the cage done first.
Bill, what happened to the camcorder you bought for in-car filming at trackdays? I'd love to see some in-car footage of you whipping the exotica! :D :thumbup:
Cheers
Ben
When i said 1st week of October i was think of a completed car Ben not going in on that date. So as far as i know your still on for the 27th.
I am holding off with the clutch and Lsd, just incase IHI it not happen. I dont wanna spend all that cash, for a k03's equiped IBiza.
madmile - autotechniks (spelling) are doing a drive in drive out service for the LSD's they have built up boxes and they swap urs for a freshly recond one - well thats what they were saying to me - but i couldnt go as mine was already shagged.
Ben - i thought mine was the kit they were going to use - they had a batch of downpipes made seen a line of manifolds and turbos so not sure what the hold up is on parts - they just have to get thier rolling road done - i think thats all the hold up is.
jabba now have an X box for people to pass the time instead of talking to them in the workshop :whistle:
ibizacupra
15-09-2004, 14:15
Bill, what happened to the camcorder you bought for in-car filming at trackdays? I'd love to see some in-car footage of you whipping the exotica! :D :thumbup:
Cheers
Ben
Good question..
Made a nice adaptor to fit into front fog lamp.. then along cam FMIC and other mods req'd like big arsed Dynatwist and requirement for brake ducting... so that plan went out of the window..
Have'nt made any movies with it at all yet... which is plain poor show from me. :hide: (I'll get me coat)
ibizacupra
15-09-2004, 14:18
jabba now have an X box for people to pass the time instead of talking to them in the workshop :whistle:
Wonder if you would therapy from X-Box finger after 18 months wait playing it...
Get a numb bum i bet :D :roflmao:
I think the TIP is the last thing being waited for.. And it is worth waiting for vs the version I have.. Fabricated jobbie. SFS Silicon TIP is going to be the better job.
I have the latest DP setup on mine now.. as replacement. Much better than my original. :thumbup:
Being the 1st is'nt always best.. things have developed on from my time (in part down to experience gained with Jabba's and my own motor) - now need to play catch up with you boys. :)
Do AutoTechnics have a website or does anyone have a contact number?.
ibizacupra
15-09-2004, 15:16
02380 ******
www.yourvw-audi.com from memory.
Cheers once i know it going for IHI 100%. As in no delays, i will get it to auto t. Asap.
What the choices on clutches, can you fit a Corrado G60 clutch 228mm as a direct swap, or are there other considerations.
yeah i have an uprated G60 clutch and flywheel - saves a lot of weight with ditching the dual mass thingy - cost me about £500 with 200 fitting - get it done the same time as the LSD as it should save u loads think ben got hjis done for about £1200 all in (LSD+clutch) dont quote me though as it was a while ago.
When i said 1st week of October i was think of a completed car Ben not going in on that date. So as far as i know your still on for the 27th.
Ah ok thanks. Had me worried for a minute. :)
I am holding off with the clutch and Lsd, just incase IHI it not happen. I dont wanna spend all that cash, for a k03's equiped IBiza.
You could get Jabba to do you an uprated clutch and LSD at the same time as the IHI, and that way you will either get the whole lot or none of it.
Cheers
Ben
I can buy a new genuine Sachs 228mm G60 clutch (corrado) for £90 all inc. And i could buy a G60 lightened flywheel for £200 all inc of delivery, vat, and import tax.
http://www.atpturbo.com/Merchant2/merchant.mvc?Screen=PROD&Store_Code=tp&Product_Code=ATP-VVW-037&Category_Code=BCS
http://www.vwspares.co.uk/corrado_clutch.html.
This would save me having to travel all over to get a clutch kit and i could get it fitted locally.
madmile - autotechniks (spelling) are doing a drive in drive out service for the LSD's they have built up boxes and they swap urs for a freshly recond one - well thats what they were saying to me - but i couldnt go as mine was already shagged.
Ben - i thought mine was the kit they were going to use - they had a batch of downpipes made seen a line of manifolds and turbos so not sure what the hold up is on parts - they just have to get thier rolling road done - i think thats all the hold up is.
jabba now have an X box for people to pass the time instead of talking to them in the workshop :whistle:
Yeah I know Autotechniks were planning on doing that, but last time I spoke to them (Quite a while ago) they were still trying to get the first box they would need. Cool if they've sorted that.
Do you know if they are still using Quaife, or whether they have switched to Pelequin due to supply problems?
XBox, cool. Got one myself though and would prefer to talk tech with Mike/Elton.
Ben
Good question..
Made a nice adaptor to fit into front fog lamp.. then along cam FMIC and other mods req'd like big arsed Dynatwist and requirement for brake ducting... so that plan went out of the window..
Have'nt made any movies with it at all yet... which is plain poor show from me. :hide: (I'll get me coat)
Pull ya finger out.... can't wait to see some of that action. ;)
Ben
They have there first box. But for a helix clutch and Pelequin Lsd they want £1900, and an extra £300 for the lightened flywheel. So £2000-£2300 supplied and fitted.
They have there first box. But for a helix clutch and Pelequin Lsd they want £1900, and an extra £300 for the lightened flywheel. So £2000-£2300 supplied and fitted.
Interesting. Sure mine wasn't that much and I have all of that (But I have the more expensive Quaife LSD).
Personally, I'm not a massive fan of my Helix clutch. Its very heavy (Relative to standard) and its quite difficult to pull away slowly and smoothly. I tend to have to rev it upto about 2000rpm as I pull away.
I'd imagine a clutch from a TDI would be better. Standard feel and can handle lots of torque!
Ben
Hi guys i was the first to have the drive in drive out service at Auto T so they now have my box to rebuild ;)
I had the Box, Fly wheel, Clutch and the Pel thing (LSD) great service took all day been waiting for months as Bill knows :hide:
Total Cost £1940.42 :-o :hide:
I was expecting £1600 till about 5pm ;) some thing to do with the price of the helix stuff!
And i know how you feel Ben, little grabby but feels MUCH better once up to speed :thumbup:
ibizacupra
16-09-2004, 08:18
Did you go for organic centre plate from Helix?
I am running a 6 puk paddle now and that oddly feels smoother than the organic (which is'nt normal)
some of the low speed engagement is lightened flywheel related I think.
If i wanted to go with a G60 clutch do i just need a complete G60 clutch kit. And then just source a G60 lightened flywheel. Or are there other parts required?.
I am running a 6 puk paddle now and that oddly feels smoother than the organic (which is'nt normal)
I was told before getting my clutch that some of the newer multi puk paddle clutches were very progressive and as good if not better than some organic clutches (In the progressiveness dept).
I decided to go for the proven clutch instead of taking a risk on the unknown.
Bill, why did you change away from your Helix one?
Ben
Clutch is a single plate thing ( No pucks ) i have notice huge understeer now in the wet its taking some getting use to thats for shore but in the dry its brilliant :)
Clutch is a single plate thing ( No pucks ) i have notice huge understeer now in the wet its taking some getting use to thats for shore but in the dry its brilliant :)
You're having a laugh arn't you?
The Quaife gives you MUCH more grip in the wet than the standard diff!
Give it a bit of power and it just pulls you around the corner whereas you would of just understeered with the normal diff.
Dunno why you are finding MORE understeer with the Quaife.... thats not right.
Ben
You still on for Jabba next monday ben?.
You still on for Jabba next monday ben?.
AFAIK yes! :thumbup:
BUT, they did say that if there was gonna be a delay then they wouldn't know until later this week! :(
I wont get excited until I speak to them later in the week and hopefully get the green light! :) Talking of Green Light.... better tell the insurance company! :(
Ben
Might be naff tyre's?? just seems to spin them both up..
Hope it goes well for you Ben i'm itching for mine to be finished, i already have a bigg port head for stage 4 think you where looking at going this way as well?
Je pistons etc??
ibizacupra
21-09-2004, 08:37
I was told before getting my clutch that some of the newer multi puk paddle clutches were very progressive and as good if not better than some organic clutches (In the progressiveness dept).
I decided to go for the proven clutch instead of taking a risk on the unknown.
Bill, why did you change away from your Helix one?
Ben
I did'nt Ben.
I still run Helix. Paddle cos of dog-box sequential g'box. Very aggresive changes mechanically.
ibizacupra
21-09-2004, 08:39
Clutch is a single plate thing ( No pucks ) i have notice huge understeer now in the wet its taking some getting use to thats for shore but in the dry its brilliant :)
Diff only working under power.... go into corners trailing throttle and you get terminal understeer.
Its mind over matter... trust me. Keep your foot in.
Hope it goes well for you Ben i'm itching for mine to be finished, i already have a bigg port head for stage 4 think you where looking at going this way as well?
Je pistons etc??
Cheers.
Yes, I'm (probably) going big port head, uprated pistons, 1.9 bore etc. But straight from the off. They want to do the stage 3 first and then the extra stuff later..... need to find a gearbox solution anyway.
Ben
ibizacupra
21-09-2004, 16:41
Cheers.
Yes, I'm (probably) going big port head, uprated pistons, 1.9 bore etc. But straight from the off. They want to do the stage 3 first and then the extra stuff later..... need to find a gearbox solution anyway.
Ben
Just chewing over some options myself...
1.9... nice but ferking expensive... worth it?
Whatever rebuild *should* IMHO include valves. (1.8T failures on high power turbo upgrades have been valve related.)
Whats the poiint in buying a really good 1.9 motor with stock OE valves (known to break and totally destroy the motor, Bye Bye £4K+ engine & turbo)
Large Port head...
Will this promote more top end power at the expense of low to mid performance. If it pushes power into the high 7K low 8K rpm.... valve train is a serious consideration. (valves, springs, retainers...)
What to do.. :confused:
I am thinking of going full stage3 330-350bhp but limiting boost to 15-16psi, roughly what Bill had initially 325bhp approx. Should still be quite fast.
ibizacupra
21-09-2004, 19:43
I am thinking of going full stage3 330-350bhp but limiting boost to 15-16psi, roughly what Bill had initially 325bhp approx. Should still be quite fast.
Ran 18psi and got 325bhp/280lbft way back.
http://www.seatcupra.net/forums/showthread.php?t=13295&page=1&highlight=ihi
It says 15psi here.
ibizacupra
21-09-2004, 22:31
hmmm. thought it was 18psi.. memory playing up again perhaps.. 1.2bar is what it started at which is 18psi.
Prolly got it wrong back then I suspect. but then again it was so long ago... and I'm getting old. ;)
24psi now tho :D
Just chewing over some options myself...
1.9... nice but ferking expensive... worth it?
Whatever rebuild *should* IMHO include valves. (1.8T failures on high power turbo upgrades have been valve related.)
Whats the poiint in buying a really good 1.9 motor with stock OE valves (known to break and totally destroy the motor, Bye Bye £4K+ engine & turbo)
Large Port head...
Will this promote more top end power at the expense of low to mid performance. If it pushes power into the high 7K low 8K rpm.... valve train is a serious consideration. (valves, springs, retainers...)
What to do.. :confused:
Is it expensive? I was given the impression it wasn't that expensive at all (Given the fact that if I wasn't going 1.9 then I'd get new Rods and Pistons anyway).
Valves, yes I'll get them done too. Whats available and what should I go for? Can you get sodium filled ones? How much does it cost?
As you point out, the large port head will give more top end at the expense of a little lower down torque.... easily corrected with a bit more boost though! ;)
Can the valve train be upgraded? Any idea on cost?
Ultimately arn't we talking about is doing what you had done to your Golf but in the Ibiza?! ie. Golfy was 400+bhp.
My biggest concerns are teh gearbox, and even the driveshafts (Although if I go 02M then both issues will be addressed at the same time).
Getting the stage 3 for now though. Will get used to that first.
Anything else that needs doing/strengthening? I think Autotechniks mentioned something about using ARP big end bolts? Does this add a lot of strength and why aren't Jabba using them on the stage 3 kits?
I'd rather have the engine strengthened with a large safety margine. ie. If I'm running 350bhp I want the engine strong enough for 450bhp, and if I goto 400bhp then I want it good for 500bhp. Although I expect the wallet may have something to say about that! :(
Ben
ibizacupra
22-09-2004, 13:29
Is it expensive? I was given the impression it wasn't that expensive at all (Given the fact that if I wasn't going 1.9 then I'd get new Rods and Pistons anyway).
Valves, yes I'll get them done too. Whats available and what should I go for? Can you get sodium filled ones? How much does it cost?
As you point out, the large port head will give more top end at the expense of a little lower down torque.... easily corrected with a bit more boost though! ;)
Can the valve train be upgraded? Any idea on cost?
Ultimately arn't we talking about is doing what you had done to your Golf but in the Ibiza?! ie. Golfy was 400+bhp.
My biggest concerns are teh gearbox, and even the driveshafts (Although if I go 02M then both issues will be addressed at the same time).
Getting the stage 3 for now though. Will get used to that first.
Anything else that needs doing/strengthening? I think Autotechniks mentioned something about using ARP big end bolts? Does this add a lot of strength and why aren't Jabba using them on the stage 3 kits?
I'd rather have the engine strengthened with a large safety margine. ie. If I'm running 350bhp I want the engine strong enough for 450bhp, and if I goto 400bhp then I want it good for 500bhp. Although I expect the wallet may have something to say about that! :(
Ben
Your existing exhaust valves are sodium filled - 6mm stems.. mighty thin and hollow. SNAP!
If you get rods, you will by default get ARP (or equivalent) fasteners
Stage 3 is'nt invasive on engine tho is it? (or is it? - whatever stage 3 actually is LOL - confused. :confused: )
Valve gear/valve train is work in progress on spec front for me. No conclusions yet & discussions continue.
Up the boost to make up for low end loss, apart from the reduced low end gas speed hence laggier anyhow. chicken and egg.
Expensive... Oh Yes! for 1.9 motor.. got prices from Elton myself :-o and Golfy did get 1.9 bottom end as the original plan of 2nd oversize OE pistons could'nt source pistons in acceptable (to me) timescale. - Engine was/is only as strong as its weakest component, which in Golfys case was valve gear (again! Sadly with new owner..dropped exhaust valve @ the ring... comlpetely destroyed engine. totally pointless building strong bottom end if you leave stock valve gear which is KNOWN to break on occasions, thereby bashing hell out of the cylinder head, piston(s), turbo (debris), score block etc etc - Only salvagable thing being rods. woohoo, Big Deal!) - Knowing this... as I do, this is why I am asking open questions on a public forum on whether in the quest for more and more power you want to push the revs and boost to higher and higehr levels.. (lets face it wheel spin in 5th gear in wet is a tad excessive with ~350bhp) there comes a point of whats usable. - Not saying I am content to stop here cos I always want to push things... so I can always wind it back again into the sane level (read usuable) - 400bhp is a nice number to aim for for no other reason than its a round number :roflmao: Drivability however remains my biggest personal goal and not something I am prepared to loose in the quest for who's got the biggest knob.. Erm I mean... got the most power. (I'll remain content with a small usable d1ck..Erm I mean driveble car)
All good fun tho eh?
regards
bill