View Full Version : Pilot Energy OR Goodyear Eagle F1 GS-D2?
Looking for a bit of tyre buying advise, it's between the two in the title. Obviously the Eagles are much tastier looking but are they going to wear stupidly quick?
hopkinsgm
18-02-2004, 11:47
I know some folks have complained of poor life from F1 GS-D2's though I must say i've not noticed them wearing any quicker than anything else i've used - well apart from a set of nasty evil Pilot SX GT's that came on a set of 20vT wheels anyway, but frankly i'd far rather the tyres' life ended before mine does - y'know? As with many "v" tread patterns, heavy track day use is likely to take its' toll, but for general road use they last fine for me. And it's not like I just pootle from home to work and back again...
Cool, i would have prefered to have the Eagles just for the tread pattern alone and the wear was the only worry, with £2.80 difference between the two it's not really an issue. Thanks for the info mate, gonna order me a couple now!
Also had a little look to see how bad the current one's are and noticed my pads are nearly dead too .....always the way, i can feel another thread coming up :)
visionit
01-04-2004, 13:17
I'm running the Eagle F1's on my 106Quiksilver... and i'de highly recommend them! Handling was good before, but its outstanding now. I admit, i've only done 7k on them, and the fronts are already quite low, but a simple change round from back2front would see them last another 5k at least.
I can't comment on the other tyres, but these are incredible. Make sure you get them as close to 44PSI as possible though, cause it makes a big difference!
HTH :D
Redcupra20vt
01-04-2004, 17:04
I'm running the Eagle F1's on my 106Quiksilver... and i'de highly recommend them! Handling was good before, but its outstanding now. I admit, i've only done 7k on them, and the fronts are already quite low, but a simple change round from back2front would see them last another 5k at least.
I can't comment on the other tyres, but these are incredible. Make sure you get them as close to 44PSI as possible though, cause it makes a big difference!
HTH :D
Have you thought how you are going to swap them round??
I am running Toyo proxes and you cant swap them diagonally as you are supposed to becuase the 'v' tread pattern will be turning the wrong way.
You will have to do a straight swap back to fornt which isnt ideal.
cheers
Paul
hopkinsgm
01-04-2004, 17:11
...Make sure you get them as close to 44PSI as possible though, cause it makes a big difference!...
44psi??? Are you serious??? If you are, then I certainly hope that's a "hot" pressure...
(incidentally - speed rating seems to make a big difference - I had some V rated GSD2's that were subsequently replaced with W rated GSD2's which wore out alarmingly quick - so much so that I thought my wheel alignment must be way out. Nope, just a different (seemingly softer) compound of rubber. Now replaced with V rated GSD3's (GSD3's finally available in 195/45R16!), time will tell how these last but first impressions are that the carcass of the tyre feels far more rigid - and i'd imagine the more solid block pattern will deform less under cornering loads.
visionit
01-04-2004, 18:17
Have you thought how you are going to swap them round??
I am running Toyo proxes and you cant swap them diagonally as you are supposed to becuase the 'v' tread pattern will be turning the wrong way.
You will have to do a straight swap back to fornt which isnt ideal.
cheers
Paul
No... I agree! Swapping them isn't ideal, but at £130 a tyre... i'm happy with 'it'll do' ;)
Still a damn good tyre though!
visionit
01-04-2004, 18:19
44psi??? Are you serious??? If you are, then I certainly hope that's a "hot" pressure...
(incidentally - speed rating seems to make a big difference - I had some V rated GSD2's that were subsequently replaced with W rated GSD2's which wore out alarmingly quick - so much so that I thought my wheel alignment must be way out. Nope, just a different (seemingly softer) compound of rubber. Now replaced with V rated GSD3's (GSD3's finally available in 195/45R16!), time will tell how these last but first impressions are that the carcass of the tyre feels far more rigid - and i'd imagine the more solid block pattern will deform less under cornering loads.
Yeah... it says 44PSI on the tyre, and thats cold pressure! At least I hope so :)
Yeah... it says 44PSI on the tyre, and thats cold pressure! At least I hope so :)
That 44psi on the tyre is the ABSOLUTE max you should put in it though. On a light car like the 106, you shouldn't be anywhere near this! You shouldn't run much over 32psi I reckon!
Pin sharp handling on an Ibiza @ 40+psi :)
hopkinsgm
02-04-2004, 07:47
At 40psi, you'd get a pin sharp contact patch too Ed... :)
visionit - £130/tyre? Jeez, you go to Kwik Fit or something? Whoever sold you them must have seen you coming, I paid £66/tyre last weekend for a pair of 195/45R16 GSD3's! What size are we talking here?
Very pointy and responsive in the dry, quite a good steer actually, but ride was so bumpy and fidgety especially over those concrete section of M-way like on parts of the M25
visionit
02-04-2004, 10:13
Just bearing in mind it was well over 12 months ago when I brought mine... so they probably have come down in price since then ;)
I brought them from Goodfellows Peugeot in Aldridge.
Update - bought the Eagles,.... money well spent, handles like a different car in the wet. :cheers:
hopkinsgm
02-04-2004, 11:20
...Just bearing in mind it was well over 12 months ago when I brought mine... so they probably have come down in price since then ;)...
I bought a pair of GSD2's (same size) about 12 months ago and paid £50+VAT each. Like I said, unless they're a seriously fruity size, £130 is loony money for a tyre. And not a million miles off what Kwik Fit quoted me last weekend for the exact same identical tyres I eventually paid £66 each for. But if you're happy to pay well over the odds for these things, you carry on.
Agree'd mate, mine are only 185/55/14 and they were £56/tyre.
£130 is silly money! :redface:
getting tyres from a dealership is mental mate,get on t'internet,mytyres.com black circles etc etc.
at least dick turpin wore a mask,daylight robbery
andycupra
02-04-2004, 12:19
well dont get big alloys guys like in the cupra r.
225 40 18
you cant get tyes cheper than £130. including sourced from net.
before i get any replies, i mean fitted and balanced and a decent manufacturer.
But 44psi, guys mad!!! lets say he does pressure few weeks ago, (when cold) then it gets hotter, then he/she goes on a long run.... the air temp will be massively higher and it wont be long till they go bang, or it they puncture it will be a vively one!
for those that dont have grasp of basic physical properties of air at different temperatures, air expands with higher temperatures. Or if you prefer, the colder the air the more dense it is.
Also, higher pressures do not actually lead to better grip.
There is an optimum pressure range. Towards the top of this range if you drive more lively, (higher loads on tires).
Me thinks we need to start a plonker page...
44 is MAXIMUM! the only way you shouyld get near this is if you are doing an italian job and intened the put 3 tons of something in the car!
slim_boy_fat
02-04-2004, 12:29
well dont get big alloys guys like in the cupra r.
225 40 18
you cant get tyes cheper than £130. including sourced from net.
before i get any replies, i mean fitted and balanced and a decent manufacturer.
Me thinks we need to start a plonker page...
Me dont think a 106 quicksilver has 225/40 18s eh.... :confused:
Are you going to post first on the plonker page.. :p
hopkinsgm
02-04-2004, 12:42
Sensible pressures (e.g. 30 to 35 psi) in the fronts and silly high pressures (e.g. 40+ psi) in the rears can make for some entertaining lift off oversteer moments tho... :)
[edit] Don't try this at home kids...
slim_boy_fat
02-04-2004, 12:52
For the record my car runs 44psi at the rear.....
Ruddmeister
02-04-2004, 13:39
For the record my car runs 44psi at the rear.....
For the record we (me and that Syphon geezer) pay £250 per pair fitted of 205 45 18's Goodyear Eagle f1 GSD3's locally (also got quoted same rate by National Tyres) but they have spanner monkeys working for them IMHO.
44psi though, jeez I can't bring myself to do 44psi the inside of the filler cap has the tyre pressures and mine says 32psi from memory, I asked the tyre place who said similar levels so that's what I'm doing.
Cue Cupra-rog, who runs the Prielli Rosso's at 44psi pressure or more and swears by it, IMHO they must have a contact patch the size of a properly inflated 155 width tyre.
slim_boy_fat
02-04-2004, 14:15
For the record we (me and that Syphon geezer) pay £250 per pair fitted of 205 45 18's Goodyear Eagle f1 GSD3's locally (also got quoted same rate by National Tyres) but they have spanner monkeys working for them IMHO.
44psi though, jeez I can't bring myself to do 44psi the inside of the filler cap has the tyre pressures and mine says 32psi from memory, I asked the tyre place who said similar levels so that's what I'm doing.
Cue Cupra-rog, who runs the Prielli Rosso's at 44psi pressure or more and swears by it, IMHO they must have a contact patch the size of a properly inflated 155 width tyre.
Yes but the inside of my filler cap says 44psi, not everyone drives an LCR you know...
1st of, I really don't think you should compare the 2. The pilot energy is a GT tyre whereas the F1 is a high performance tyre.
I had a set of pilot exalto's which weren't to bad. I would still prefer the F1's.
44psi is what I run on my bicycle tyres... :hide: :hide:
Wouldn't run that high on a normal car.
slim_boy_fat
02-04-2004, 18:09
Wouldn't run that high on a normal car.
Normal car I like it... :roflmao:
Normal car I like it... :roflmao:
:hide: :whistle:
I meant road going automobile... :blink:
andycupra
03-04-2004, 20:06
Me dont think a 106 quicksilver has 225/40 18s eh.... :confused:
Are you going to post first on the plonker page.. :p
Yes think i will, you will be at the top of the list...
READ MY POST AND THE FEW BEFORE IT AGAIN!!!
you can clearly see from quote below that im talking about a cupra R!
Open your eyes... hope you dont drive the same way.
copy of my original post in reply to guy saying that £130 tyres are a rip off:
" well dont get big alloys guys like in the cupra r.
225 40 18
you cant get tyes cheper than £130. including sourced from net.
before i get any replies, i mean fitted and balanced and a decent manufacturer.
But 44psi, guys mad!!! lets say he does pressure few weeks ago, (when cold) then it gets hotter, then he/she goes on a long run.... the air temp will be massively higher and it wont be long till they go bang, or it they puncture it will be a vively one!
for those that dont have grasp of basic physical properties of air at different temperatures, air expands with higher temperatures. Or if you prefer, the colder the air the more dense it is.
Also, higher pressures do not actually lead to better grip.
There is an optimum pressure range. Towards the top of this range if you drive more lively, (higher loads on tires).
Me thinks we need to start a plonker page... "
:bleh: :censored:
well dont get big alloys guys like in the cupra r.
225 40 18
you cant get tyes cheper than £130. including sourced from net.
before i get any replies, i mean fitted and balanced and a decent manufacturer.!
Cough Cough, may not be your area but you'll find them cheaper here....... ;)
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