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got 339 BHP from using BP ultimate fuel
and 332 from regular 95 - i ran out of fuel
but the induction temps were 65 deg :(
so mike want to do a few more tests on it and will be pickin it up 2morow lunch
:drive1: here i come
shane
ibizacupra
14-04-2004, 18:21
got 339 BHP from using BP ultimate fuel
and 332 from regular 95 - i ran out of fuel
but the induction temps were 65 deg :(
so mike want to do a few more tests on it and will be pickin it up 2morow lunch
:drive1: here i come
shane
Hmm. PACE CC @ 65'C is not good.
smaller pre-rad I presume and independant water resevior on yours?
What torque and do you have the dynoplot? :thumbup:
got a phone call while mike was speaking to me so i got distracted and forgot to ask, plus i think he wanted to get home it wasnt till 6 that he phoned me.
but will find out 2morow on the torque and scan the graph in.
yeah pre-rad thats a first on my list - but mike said it was like an oven it had been on he rollers all afternoon with the doors shut so it was gettin hotter n hotter. been quite hot here today. he said it will go alot better out on the road.
he's gonna do a few more runs with optimax in and see if there are any more gains to be had as i will only use high oct fuel from now on
shane
got 339 BHP from using BP ultimate fuel
and 332 from regular 95 - i ran out of fuel
but the induction temps were 65 deg :(
so mike want to do a few more tests on it and will be pickin it up 2morow lunch
:drive1: here i come
shane
339bhp is pretty good, and you say there is more to come. In fact if you got 339bhp with 65C induction temp then you should get excellent real world power.
Ben
Hmm. PACE CC @ 65'C is not good.
smaller pre-rad I presume and independant water resevior on yours?
What torque and do you have the dynoplot? :thumbup:
I'll post some piccies of my pre-rad on Monday and you can compare it to yours.
Its annoying because I explained to Pace that I wanted a bigger pre-rad and they INSISTED that it wouldn't be required and that it would just be a waste. I made them do it anyway and they say that my prerad is now twice the size of the one they use for a 400bhp Cossie.
I too have the very small reservour, but I intend to get that plumbed into the main washer bottle at some point. The only problem with this though is that it indicates that the CC isn't coping. ie. If the pre-rad and cores were coping then you would only need enough water to fill the system.... but if you need a bigger reservour then it indicates that the system is just getting hotter and hotter and the reservour is just acting as a buffer... the givver the buffer the longer it will take for all the water to heat up.
Shane, do you know what boost they are running? I thought it was relatively low boost and so charge temps should be low.
Note that even with my pre-rad there is much more scope for improvement. For example, if you push the radiator back like they do for fitting a FMIC then you could get a red-rad thats nearly twice the size of mine.
Keep us posted for the final results, and post the dyno plots if you can.
:cheers:
Cheers
Ben
got 339 BHP from using BP ultimate fuel
and 332 from regular 95 - i ran out of fuel
YOU ran out of fuel? So you've driven it then?
but the induction temps were 65 deg :(
Thats 65C on the rolling road yes, not on the open road?
Just thought of a cool (Pun) idea for how to get the car to run as cool on a rolling road as on the open road. Just plumb the chargecooler into a tape and so you have a constant supply of cold water rather than it getting hotter and hotter. Or use ice like bill does. :D
Cheers
Ben
If you make the pre-rad a whole lot bigger, you might as well have gone for an FMIC.
ibizacupra
15-04-2004, 14:12
If you make the pre-rad a whole lot bigger, you might as well have gone for an FMIC.
I would go taller as well as wider if making my own pre-rad... The pre-rad is thin which helps make its fitment easier than an FMIC.. ~20mm vs 60-80mm FMIC cores.
If you make the pre-rad a whole lot bigger, you might as well have gone for an FMIC.
If there was a FMIC available and proven to cope with the IHI then I may well of done. Mike and Addos FMIC looks promising but wasn't ready in time for me and has yet to be proven on an IHI'd car (Although I suspect results will be good.).
Cheers
Ben
shane you got the car back yet????
vern
right picked the car up and was almost told it wernt gonna be ready but i moaned like a cheap ***** and they cancelled some guy who was sittin next to me :redface: just so i could be done.
right - well all i can say is shit its quick in low boost and on high its insane especially tonight as it went like a train with the outside temps about 8 deg.
said they want it back to fine tune it when they get thier new rollers which can handle even bills power levels - 2000BHP they were on about - they said they have been approached by the drag teams n stuff.
anyway - the CC seems to be ok on the road cant tell as i'm not used to the power - Mike got it to 341.7BHP on 95 fuel - heres the graph
boost wise it peaks at 1.25 bar then drops to 1.2 (18psi) and holds all the way through the rev range - feels like its never gonna end
did have a play with a motor on the way back an old guy in a new saab 93 got a toastin n that was on low boost :bleh:
though my clutch doesnt look like it will last long :( as mike said it was slippin just a bit on full boost when on the rollers.
over all very happy bunny - money well spend many thanks to the jabba crew who had to put up with me for 5 hours pacin around the workshop askin questions all the time - whats that? - why you doin that? n whens it gonna be ready???
make anyone jealous :bleh: well u should be its out of this world
again thanks to jabba :worship: as i wouldnt be goin as quick without u.
shane
right picked the car up and was almost told it wernt gonna be ready but i moaned like a cheap ***** and they cancelled some guy who was sittin next to me :redface: just so i could be done.
right - well all i can say is shit its quick in low boost and on high its insane especially tonight as it went like a train with the outside temps about 8 deg.
said they want it back to fine tune it when they get thier new rollers which can handle even bills power levels - 2000BHP they were on about - they said they have been approached by the drag teams n stuff.
anyway - the CC seems to be ok on the road cant tell as i'm not used to the power - Mike got it to 341.7BHP on 95 fuel - heres the graph
boost wise it peaks at 1.25 bar then drops to 1.2 (18psi) and holds all the way through the rev range - feels like its never gonna end
did have a play with a motor on the way back an old guy in a new saab 93 got a toastin n that was on low boost :bleh:
though my clutch doesnt look like it will last long :( as mike said it was slippin just a bit on full boost when on the rollers.
over all very happy bunny - money well spend many thanks to the jabba crew who had to put up with me for 5 hours pacin around the workshop askin questions all the time - whats that? - why you doin that? n whens it gonna be ready???
make anyone jealous :bleh: well u should be its out of this world
again thanks to jabba :worship: as i wouldnt be goin as quick without u.
shane
kin ell shane thats mad,on 95 ron fuel as well on that graph?????????? :worship:
and i make that 352.4 bhp correctted to din 70020 (temp corrected) :thumbup: :-o
wtf will it do when fine tuned,and on optisnax then????
well done and thanx for keeping us posted you brave/daft man if you know what i mean :roflmao: ;)
vern
Ruddmeister
16-04-2004, 07:31
Well I have been following this since September last year with all the stories of delays etc, but you have to say the results are worth it. Very impressed circa 350bhp and if it goes anything like Bills (which obviously it does) then I certainly am jealous.
That graph looks fantastic, if you could draw a graph of how you would want it to look that would be it.
:worship:
:cheers:
ibizacupra
16-04-2004, 07:42
Nice smooth progressive plot... :)
Enjoy it Shane.. and keep out of the hedges with it... firm grip on the wheel and consider a VR6 228mm clutch setup to cope with the power.
Keep safe... you have a projectile missile now.
bill what does the rating of shanes motor iirc 376 nm,work out in good ol lbft? whats the conversion mate
vern
slim_boy_fat
16-04-2004, 07:49
bill what does the rating of shanes motor iirc 376 nm,work out in good ol lbft? whats the conversion mate
vern
277lbft lbft x 1.356 = Nm (notice the capital in Nm Vern) :rolleyes:
:cheers:
277lbft
:cheers:
cheers slim ;) thought the ihi would be more somehow though :confused:
vern
slim_boy_fat
16-04-2004, 07:52
cheers slim ;) thought the ihi would be more somehow though :confused:
vern
Yes a bit mince that, unless its got 470+Nm im not impressed. ;)
277lbft lbft x 1.356 = Nm (notice the capital in Nm Vern) :rolleyes:
:cheers:
did that for the wind up slim was also gonna post lb/ft,as well :p
.............back to it then
vern
yeah not too worried with figures as she goes just how i want her too.
Bill - how much did your clutch setup cost? jabba said about using G60 stuff as it was pritty strong?
havnt had time to try and work out 0 - ??? as i have to keep an eye on the road, cant afford to look down at the speedo with a roundabout approaching very fast
i dont run a CAT so it sounds fantastic nice n loud when u want it too be - sounds like a fkin rally car. had to sign a form stating i knew it wasnt strictly road legal ;) and they cant be held responsible.
onlt prob is that with the new ECU software my cruise control dont work and my elecy windows dont go up automatically when they used to - down 1 touch, but not up??? - must be the cheap S3 stuff :p
i remember bill had cruise on his oettingered ibiza as I recall complaints of seasickness where it couldn't decide if it was on or off boost - not sure if he still has this functionality
I think Bill fixed that problem and it was actually to do with something unrelated.
I keep having problems with my one touch elecy windows.... down works but up doesn't. Then a few weeks later up works too. Strange.
Shane, your plots look excellent. Well impressed. Can't wait to have mine done now,.
Ben
think my cruise control doesnt work because i have more or less had a whole new ECU - well all the software from an S3 - mike said its more or less the same just better and things are in different places ??? he knew what he was on about, but i get the picture end result the same just different software coding i guess so just needs to be reactivated.
yeah windows are strange - my left hand window never goes up fully either i have to press it up another time or 2.
perhaps something that you just need to do with VAG-COM then ?
ibizacupra
17-04-2004, 06:35
cheers slim ;) thought the ihi would be more somehow though :confused:
vern
Nope... IHI is not high torque unit, but high power unit (sustained torque @ high rpms)
Mines running higher boost and has 320lbft and a little more power..
ibizacupra
17-04-2004, 06:36
Yes a bit mince that, unless its got 470+Nm im not impressed. ;)
LOL... you like diesels then.. How about a nice V10 Towrag (sp) VW off roader then.. :p :p
ibizacupra
17-04-2004, 06:39
yeah not too worried with figures as she goes just how i want her too.
Bill - how much did your clutch setup cost? jabba said about using G60 stuff as it was pritty strong?
havnt had time to try and work out 0 - ??? as i have to keep an eye on the road, cant afford to look down at the speedo with a roundabout approaching very fast
i dont run a CAT so it sounds fantastic nice n loud when u want it too be - sounds like a fkin rally car. had to sign a form stating i knew it wasnt strictly road legal ;) and they cant be held responsible.
onlt prob is that with the new ECU software my cruise control dont work and my elecy windows dont go up automatically when they used to - down 1 touch, but not up??? - must be the cheap S3 stuff :p
Windows aint ECU related mate... just a consequence of the battery being disconnected. Read the manual as its says how to reset them to one touch.
No cat? and 339bhp..... Proves not much lost if any running a cat.. although Elton did say yours sounded very nice with a top end Bark to it.. Look forward to seeing it/you sometime.
Cruise control probably only requires enabling. I would be amazed if it could'nt be.
regards
bill
ibizacupra
17-04-2004, 06:41
i remember bill had cruise on his oettingered ibiza as I recall complaints of seasickness where it couldn't decide if it was on or off boost - not sure if he still has this functionality
Cruise surging was related to induction kit inlet piping position Mark... In turbulent air the MAF was getting erratic so made driving erratic. Resited it to OE (quiet) position and it fixed itself.... a couple of years ago now.. Works lovely now, even with IHI.
:D
slim_boy_fat
17-04-2004, 07:07
LOL... you like diesels then.. How about a nice V10 Towrag (sp) VW off roader then.. :p :p
Na i'll stick with the Porsche, still plenty more to come. :bleh:
ibizacupra
17-04-2004, 07:37
Na i'll stick with the Porsche, still plenty more to come. :bleh:
LOL... race ya race ya :p
:thumbup: :bleh: :clap:
Went to a Porsche club track day to watch last week... Some very nice motors there.. 944's inc turbo's looked fun.
LEO LION R
17-04-2004, 08:21
Ithink 380bhp 350lbft is getting out of even IHIs thrashing range ;)
ibizacupra
17-04-2004, 10:26
Ithink 380bhp 350lbft is getting out of even IHIs thrashing range ;)
Power to weight.....
see you on track sometime. :)
bill - any shows ur going to or other events? then we can compare cars
Yeah its sounds amazing on full boost - played with an S3 on the Motorway - he went past and his snotty girlfriend looked at my car right down her nose - so a little turn here and a foot down there and he wasnt laughing any more. :bleh:
but backed off when i had pulled far enough away - did give me a very big evil when he went by.
this car is a serious licence loser.
would like to try a track day but have no experience are there any good ones you can recommend? cant be fore a few months as i have my finals but after June i'm ok.
Anyone going to Trax this year?
shane
slim_boy_fat
17-04-2004, 11:54
Power to weight.....
see you on track sometime. :)
i would think that the Ibiza would struggle to stay with a well driven 944t thats been fettled round a track. In the dry anyway.
We should invite Jason Plato to do a few laps in each and see whats the quickest. Wonder where people would be putting there money. :D
Hey ask Jason what he thinks would lap fastest round sliverstone.
LEO LION R
17-04-2004, 14:00
or get him to ask tiff, he used to race slower ones ;) :D
ibizacupra
17-04-2004, 16:42
bill - any shows ur going to or other events? then we can compare cars
Yeah its sounds amazing on full boost - played with an S3 on the Motorway - he went past and his snotty girlfriend looked at my car right down her nose - so a little turn here and a foot down there and he wasnt laughing any more. :bleh:
but backed off when i had pulled far enough away - did give me a very big evil when he went by.
this car is a serious licence loser.
would like to try a track day but have no experience are there any good ones you can recommend? cant be fore a few months as i have my finals but after June i'm ok.
Anyone going to Trax this year?
shane
Briskoda day @ Bruntingthorpe next Saturday.. Spaces were available last I heard. (a couple at least)
Check out the trackday section the links in there.
regards
bill
ibizacupra
17-04-2004, 16:47
i would think that the Ibiza would struggle to stay with a well driven 944t thats been fettled round a track. In the dry anyway.
We should invite Jason Plato to do a few laps in each and see whats the quickest. Wonder where people would be putting there money. :D
Hey ask Jason what he thinks would lap fastest round sliverstone.
Wet or dry...
Bring it on... :)
Ask Steve Scotts RS Focus around Castle Combe for example, 530bhp rwd Cossy powered focus (if you follow the Ford Scene). Great dice last year, and ickle Ibiza passed and pulled away, giving away nearly 200bhp on road tyres vs his slicks. He is apparently a driver of some repute in Grp A Cossy escort Rallying and circuit racing. It was good fun, and I had to work very hard with the Ibiza to find a way past, but it was clean, well mannered but Maximum Pasty. It is'nt all about power after all... is it ;) :p
LEO LION R
17-04-2004, 16:52
lol
he cant be that good - giving away 200bhp :blink:
unfortunately slim is at the other end of the country, or i'm sure he'd be up for a 'challenge' ;) :D
:cheers:
WileEcoyote
17-04-2004, 17:04
i would think that the Ibiza would struggle to stay with a well driven 944t thats been fettled round a track. In the dry anyway.
We should invite Jason Plato to do a few laps in each and see whats the quickest. Wonder where people would be putting there money. :D
Hey ask Jason what he thinks would lap fastest round sliverstone.
LOL
i'd put my money on Bill in the Ibiza!!! ;)
any day of the week!
as said not all about power
slim_boy_fat
17-04-2004, 17:30
LOL
i'd put my money on Bill in the Ibiza!!! ;)
any day of the week!
as said not all about power
Superb, Mr Plato in my 944t against the Badger in the ibiza round Silverstone, lets get it set up.
How much then WileE?
Yes its not just about power, WileE the 944 aint exactly renound for its poor handeling, eh!! Besides Bill Ibiza currently has more power then the Porker.
:roflmao:
LEO LION R
17-04-2004, 18:41
Hustler ;) :D you know it will have more in time for JP to race it
Shock_Xe
17-04-2004, 23:25
all sounds good lads...... Surprised with the lower torque tho, was expecting 300lbs?? Did mike cut it back due to g'box/clutch being standard??
Anyone considerd a TDI clutch to handle extra torque?? Looking into it myself!
WileEcoyote
18-04-2004, 16:33
Superb, Mr Plato in my 944t against the Badger in the ibiza round Silverstone, lets get it set up.
How much then WileE?
Yes its not just about power, WileE the 944 aint exactly renound for its poor handeling, eh!! Besides Bill Ibiza currently has more power then the Porker.
:roflmao:
i wasn't on about Jason (even though you may have been)
How's about you in the porker vs Bill round a track of your choosing
Seeing as you always on about how superior the porker is.....
You should have no problems with a mere Front Wheel Driver!!
ROTFLMAO
In fact even if you had 500bhp i'd dtill put my money in the Mere SEAT front drive shopping car LOL :roflmao:
I'll put £50 on it
Agreed?? :p
ibizacupra
18-04-2004, 17:51
lol
he cant be that good - giving away 200bhp :blink:
unfortunately slim is at the other end of the country, or i'm sure he'd be up for a 'challenge' ;) :D
:cheers:
Bring it on my man would luv to see it in action on full chat.... come to Kames in July... nr Muirkirk.
88secs to beat.. (and that was my lardy MK4 Golf last year)
Should be fun.. come and play. :)
ibizacupra
18-04-2004, 17:53
Superb, Mr Plato in my 944t against the Badger in the ibiza round Silverstone, lets get it set up.
How much then WileE?
Yes its not just about power, WileE the 944 aint exactly renound for its poor handeling, eh!! Besides Bill Ibiza currently has more power then the Porker.
:roflmao:
Silverstone is boring... (and somewhere I don't know... LOL)
Castle Combe is me local, with 1m18s best lap so far in the beezer. (on road tyres)
You not want to drive your own motor then? Whys that?
LEO LION R
18-04-2004, 19:43
I'm guessing here now, but i think it's because he has zero track experience and you have a lot - kind of unfair even if he had a GT :D
There is more chance of him coming off the track, which i'm sure you'll agree whilst good learning experience, it's not one worth doing if it's your pride and joy.
Now if JP were to race it then he would presumably have the experience needed and the cash to pay for a new one if he wrecked it :thumbup:
:cheers:
slim_boy_fat
18-04-2004, 20:13
I'm guessing here now, but i think it's because he has zero track experience and you have a lot - kind of unfair even if he had a GT :D
There is more chance of him coming off the track, which i'm sure you'll agree whilst good learning experience, it's not one worth doing if it's your pride and joy.
Now if JP were to race it then he would presumably have the experience needed and the cash to pay for a new one if he wrecked it :thumbup:
:cheers:
:thumbup: Exactly....
Tell you what Bill i will come only if i can bring a GSXR1000. :bleh:
slim_boy_fat
18-04-2004, 20:23
i wasn't on about Jason (even though you may have been)
How's about you in the porker vs Bill round a track of your choosing
Seeing as you always on about how superior the porker is.....
You should have no problems with a mere Front Wheel Driver!!
ROTFLMAO
In fact even if you had 500bhp i'd dtill put my money in the Mere SEAT front drive shopping car LOL :roflmao:
I'll put £50 on it
Agreed?? :p
Are you some kind of racing pimp.? Or Bills estrainged love child or something?
all sounds good lads...... Surprised with the lower torque tho, was expecting 300lbs?? Did mike cut it back due to g'box/clutch being standard??
Anyone considerd a TDI clutch to handle extra torque?? Looking into it myself!
Mike, I don't understand why you were expecting 300lb/ft+ torque as Jabbas website has stated 280-290lb/ft torque for ages!
Remember the fact that its relatively low torque yet high power means that it holds its torque even at high revs, and that means that its both very fast and also relatively easy on components such as gearvoxes etc. Think of a car such as the S2000... low torque but reasonable power due to revving very high and holding its torque.
Cheers
Ben
slim_boy_fat
18-04-2004, 21:31
gearvoxes etc. Ben
I love your Faulty Towers German accent Ben...(see above) ;)
p.s. its lbft NOT lb/ft
:cheers:
I will educate the world eventually... :D
Shock_Xe
18-04-2004, 22:41
Mike, I don't understand why you were expecting 300lb/ft+ torque as Jabbas website has stated 280-290lb/ft torque for ages!
Remember the fact that its relatively low torque yet high power means that it holds its torque even at high revs, and that means that its both very fast and also relatively easy on components such as gearvoxes etc. Think of a car such as the S2000... low torque but reasonable power due to revving very high and holding its torque.
Cheers
Ben
Expected it cause Bills & Jabbas is 300+ lbs
Ahh well... TBh never took much notice of Jabba's site as its always changing/wrong.
It is ideal however for the g'box which limits at 300lbs without quaiffe right??
ibizacupra
19-04-2004, 09:53
:thumbup: Exactly....
Tell you what Bill i will come only if i can bring a GSXR1000. :bleh:
Hehe.... I'll be praying for rain then....
Me thinks you kick my lardie ar$e on the bike... :D
so are you comparing my track antics to JP? :D :) Woohoo.... :bleh: :clap:
Bring it on....
I was faster than a certain Tiff Needell @ Howfast.com a couple of years ago in me old 16v Jetta... ;) Ibiza is a tad quicker ;)
ibizacupra
19-04-2004, 09:54
Are you some kind of racing pimp.? Or Bills estrainged love child or something?
Shhh... it was supposed to be a secret :blink: :roflmao: :whistle:
slim_boy_fat
19-04-2004, 10:16
Hehe.... I'll be praying for rain then....
Me thinks you kick my lardie ar$e on the bike... :D
so are you comparing my track antics to JP? :D :) Woohoo.... :bleh: :clap:
Bring it on....
I was faster than a certain Tiff Needell @ Howfast.com a couple of years ago in me old 16v Jetta... ;) Ibiza is a tad quicker ;)
Ye but he was on a Raleigh Chopper..lolsss
You will be a dam sight closer to JP than i am to Tiff thats for sure.
Besides right now i cant afford a £1000 bill of a new clutch and £500 for a new set of tyres and £500 for new brake pads and disks. Need to wait till i win the lottery, then i can afford to race on the track.
BTW S8............... nice. :thumbup:
Was nearly tempted by one myself once, but didnt have the bottle to run it every day. Hate to think of the cost if something major goes pop. Like a fues. lols ;)
WileEcoyote
19-04-2004, 10:37
Are you some kind of racing pimp.? Or Bills estrainged love child or something?
racing pimp Hmmm ;)
No just remembered the shock of the 500bhp+ cossie boys on the passionford forums, the howfast results and watching the car at santapod running and a few other occasions.
all the times i remebered it was one of, if not the quickest car round a track.
Inspite of power deficits on some occasions! :thumbup:
Something to do with the maniac behind the wheel methinks :D
ibizacupra
19-04-2004, 12:58
Something to do with the maniac behind the wheel methinks :D
Loose nut behind the steerign wheel..... must get that fixed.. :p :rolleyes:
ibizacupra
19-04-2004, 13:01
Ye but he was on a Raleigh Chopper..lolsss
You will be a dam sight closer to JP than i am to Tiff thats for sure.
Besides right now i cant afford a £1000 bill of a new clutch and £500 for a new set of tyres and £500 for new brake pads and disks. Need to wait till i win the lottery, then i can afford to race on the track.
BTW S8............... nice. :thumbup:
Was nearly tempted by one myself once, but didnt have the bottle to run it every day. Hate to think of the cost if something major goes pop. Like a fues. lols ;)
Would you let Tiff or JP let rip your pride and joy? Seen em on tele... Yikes! Me am scared of someone else giving it big stick like that.. Think the same on wear and tear let alone breakages.... Not their car, so what the heck eh? EAK!
S8 should be with me Thursday (fingers crossed.) looking forward to it... Praying nothing goes wrong now or ever with it! knowing my luck however.... :hide:
slim_boy_fat
19-04-2004, 13:26
Would you let Tiff or JP let rip your pride and joy? Seen em on tele... Yikes! Me am scared of someone else giving it big stick like that.. Think the same on wear and tear let alone breakages.... Not their car, so what the heck eh? EAK!
S8 should be with me Thursday (fingers crossed.) looking forward to it... Praying nothing goes wrong now or ever with it! knowing my luck however.... :hide:
Porsches are designed to be driven hard, just not into a barrier on on there roof by me!!! :rolleyes:
I wouldnt have a problem with either of them spanking you round a track in my car. :thumbup:
ibizacupra
19-04-2004, 15:46
I wouldnt have a problem with either of them spanking you round a track in my car. :thumbup:
You aint seen journalists (let alone racing driver ones) let rip in the demo cars.... LMAO... Always thought, YIKES! glad that was'nt my car :drool:
Spank? I think not... :roflmao:
Come to Kames in July... you can show me how well it goes...
Nice little track, even the unexperienced can have fun on.... ;) :bleh: :p
slim_boy_fat
19-04-2004, 15:51
You aint seen journalists (let alone racing driver ones) let rip in the demo cars.... LMAO... Always thought, YIKES! glad that was'nt my car :drool:
Spank? I think not... :roflmao:
Come to Kames in July... you can show me how well it goes...
Nice little track, even the unexperienced can have fun on.... ;) :bleh: :p
Isnt that a GoKart track? Suppose it will suit the ibiza. :bleh:
ibizacupra
19-04-2004, 18:00
Isnt that a GoKart track? Suppose it will suit the ibiza. :bleh:
Go-Kart? You aint been there have you LMAO...
Small sprint circuit on a hill next to a Golf course...
Runs both directions now which is 'interesting'
Flying 3 laps. (it aint no Silverstone, but its a technical track none the less.)
Prolly suit the lower powered porker ;) :bleh: :p
Seriously though its great fun there.. Nice atmosphere and well organised by the local car club.
"27 June: Club GTI Scottish National Day, Kames Motorpark Circuit, Muirkirk. A full day’s track action, show ’n’ shine, traders, etc. Call 07973 118748 or 07976 619121 for further info."
http://freespace.virgin.net/david.scott14/kames.htm
Little old Lardie Golf in full flight... 84sec 3 laps... (97sec being deemed a FAST lap :D on their website)
http://badger-5.com/bin/badger5-golf4-small.jpg
RESULTS BELOW from last year in MKIV: Ibiza is the faster car ;)
Comp No Run No Driver Vehicle Reg No Speed Lap 1 Speed Lap 2 Speed Lap 3 Time Lap 2 Time Lap 3
235/08 Bill Brockbank Golf IV Gti S400 JAB 67 23.39 77 54.18 82 84.76 30.79 30.58
slim_boy_fat
19-04-2004, 18:45
Nope, still looks like a GoKart track to me Bill.
:cheers:
ibizacupra
20-04-2004, 08:21
Nope, still looks like a GoKart track to me Bill.
:cheers:
LOL :roflmao: :roflmao: :roflmao: ;)
slim_boy_fat
20-04-2004, 09:27
Sorry that would be an insult to gokart tracks, its narrower than Scotkart indoor tracks. Some american tourists would struggle to walk within the kerbs!!
see pic..
ibizacupra
20-04-2004, 11:54
Sorry that would be an insult to gokart tracks, its narrower than Scotkart indoor tracks. Some american tourists would struggle to walk within the kerbs!!
see pic..
Challenging mate... :D
Power is one thing, handling it and stopping it is another, especially on small little technical tracks like this... I could never say Golf or Ibiza was ideally suited to a small venue, but it makes it all the more 'interesting' having a go.
Its used in the Scottish sprint championship and also used as a tarmac stage for rallying.
Might see you in the Summer then.... :whistle:
slim_boy_fat
20-04-2004, 12:02
Challenging mate... :D
Power is one thing, handling it and stopping it is another, especially on small little technical tracks like this... I could never say Golf or Ibiza was ideally suited to a small venue, but it makes it all the more 'interesting' having a go.
Its used in the Scottish sprint championship and also used as a tarmac stage for rallying.
Might see you in the Summer then.... :whistle:
Cheers but i will stick to the organised Porsche track days at KH this year, atleast its big enough for my car and not just my lawnmower, just. Besides the guys in the club will be more interested in helping me develop my track driving skill and not hope that i will write my car off trying to be a hero. Sound liek a better day out to me.
Maybe you could talk some of the burberry capped brigade to join you, if you really need you ego massaged that much. Just cause you were born with a small pen15 doesnt mean you have to try and prove yourself all the time Bill..
:cheers:
hopkinsgm
20-04-2004, 12:26
Honestly children, why not just have a competition to see who can pee higher up a wall and have done with it?
SBF - you seem to be rather missing the point of sprints as a motorsport discipline. Cars run one at a time, against the clock rather than directly against each other. Circuits are generally tight and twisty, e.g. Curborough or Llandow, putting the emphasis on driver skill rather than outright power (many sprint venues have quite a bit more run-off area than a lot of circuit racing venues do too btw...)
slim_boy_fat
20-04-2004, 12:30
Honestly children, why not just have a competition to see who can pee higher up a wall and have done with it?
SBF - you seem to be rather missing the point of sprints as a motorsport discipline. Cars run one at a time, against the clock rather than directly against each other. Circuits are generally tight and twisty, e.g. Curborough or Llandow, putting the emphasis on driver skill rather than outright power (many sprint venues have quite a bit more run-off area than a lot of circuit racing venues do too btw...)
Sorry i think it you that is missing the point, i am not interested in competing, my car is for the road, its what you call a ROAD car not a fecking racing car. My insurance would not cover me for racing, so unless you want to pick up the tab then really sprints etc are not whats being discussed. The odd track day yes, where you can stretch things abit more that the road.
Expected it cause Bills & Jabbas is 300+ lbs
Ahh well... TBh never took much notice of Jabba's site as its always changing/wrong.
It is ideal however for the g'box which limits at 300lbs without quaiffe right??
But neither Bills nor Jabbas car are the standard Stage 3 kit.... they both have the boost cranked up higher.
Jabba say the standard gearbox is good for upto 290lb/ft, or 320lb/ft with a Quaife. However, when Autotechniks were fitting my Quaife they noticed that my gearbox' diff rivets showed signs of stepping and thats with just 200bhp!!! Therefore it wouldn't surprise me if in a year or twos time we start to see some gearbox problems on chipped cars... as for turbo upgrades, IMO as a minimum you need the rivets replaced with ARP fasteners. Thats just me repeating what Autotechniks told me though.
Note that the IHI is perfectly happy running upto 2 bat (29psi?) of boost and can generate much much more torque than the Stage 3 kit (Well over 400lb/ft can be delivered!)... the stage 3 kit has been designed with the gearbox and other components in mind.
Cheers
Ben
WileEcoyote
20-04-2004, 13:07
Honestly children, why not just have a competition to see who can pee higher up a wall and have done with it?
SBF - you seem to be rather missing the point of sprints as a motorsport discipline. Cars run one at a time, against the clock rather than directly against each other. Circuits are generally tight and twisty, e.g. Curborough or Llandow, putting the emphasis on driver skill rather than outright power (many sprint venues have quite a bit more run-off area than a lot of circuit racing venues do too btw...)
:roflmao:
hopkinsgm
20-04-2004, 13:32
No SBF - I was arguing the point of sprints as a motorsport discipline - not as a means of sorting out some petty "my car's Faster than yours" "debate". The thing with sprints is that car control is often far more important than outright power. Whether you chose to compete or not is entirely down to you. But to start shooting your mouth off about how much faster your car is than anyone elses' without any real means to back your argument up or the will to prove it is a recipe for a flaming IMHO...
Incidentally - i've seen more cars sustain bodywork damage at track days than at Sprints - something to do with there being other cars on the track and the unpredictability that throws into the situation.
slim_boy_fat
20-04-2004, 13:45
Pardon my asking (and i'm not trying to get anyone's back up here) but if you're "not interested in competing" why did you start off with the whole "my car's faster than your car" thing?
Pardon me but me thinks you need glasses mate.
And i quote
"LOL... race ya race ya" Mmmmm who was that?
But this is getting very boring and tedius...
Bye. :wave:
Cheers but i will stick to the organised Porsche track days at KH this year, atleast its big enough for my car and not just my lawnmower, just.
Don't go on the one to France then - Croixs-en-Ternois? Mate took his 993 there last year and said "It's a go-kart track, too small to really give the Porker a stretch".
I wouldn't bank on the Porsche owners being better behaved/drivers either...like Scoobys and Elises, Porsches also suffer from IT boys buying them to compensate for lack of driving ability.
...like Scoobys and Elises, Porsches also suffer from IT boys buying them to compensate for lack of driving ability.
I thought everybody in IT was on Seatcupra.net and owned a Seat :blink:
Cheers but i will stick to the organised Porsche track days at KH this year, atleast its big enough for my car and not just my lawnmower, just. Besides the guys in the club will be more interested in helping me develop my track driving skill and not hope that i will write my car off trying to be a hero. Sound liek a better day out to me.
Maybe you could talk some of the burberry capped brigade to join you, if you really need you ego massaged that much. Just cause you were born with a small pen15 doesnt mean you have to try and prove yourself all the time Bill..
:cheers:
why bother coming on a cupra site if own a porsche. wrong forum :confused:
ibizacupra
20-04-2004, 17:56
Cheers but i will stick to the organised Porsche track days at KH this year, atleast its big enough for my car and not just my lawnmower, just. Besides the guys in the club will be more interested in helping me develop my track driving skill and not hope that i will write my car off trying to be a hero. Sound liek a better day out to me.
Maybe you could talk some of the burberry capped brigade to join you, if you really need you ego massaged that much. Just cause you were born with a small pen15 doesnt mean you have to try and prove yourself all the time Bill..
:cheers:
Now there I was being all reasable and then you have to go act your shoesize... LMAO...
I don't remember starting this little discussion... :whistle:
Enjoy your car... enjoy your track driving and I hope you learn to explore the limits in a safe environment... Track driving fast cars is fun after all.
Berating sprint tracks because you don't know any better is just plain sad. Small aint insignificant - hehehe
I don't have to prove anything... I do enjoy my track antics and I do enjoy trying to be as fast as I possibly can... There is ALWAYS however someone faster tho.. but its good fun trying to keep up or catch them. Thats whats fun to me.
I think you are the one with a 'problem', on somethign like a mere Seat Ibiza perhaps being faster than your own motor.. Well get this... there are much faster cars than mine too. No ego, just simple fact.
Have a lie down, enjoy a beer, chill out, and look forward to enjoying your porker on track sometime. If you fancy having a go to see who's fastest (if thats what you want to do) bring it on.. Kames in the summer is where I'll be all things being equal (not blowing it up first for example LOL)
regards
bill :)
ibizacupra
20-04-2004, 18:00
Pardon me but me thinks you need glasses mate.
And i quote
"LOL... race ya race ya" Mmmmm who was that?
That would be the joke you clearly missed from your beer spectacles...
Chill chap...
You are claiming faster wotnot, super Porker, loadsa power blah... :bleh:
Yes a bit mince that, unless its got 470+Nm im not impressed. ;)
OR
i would think that the Ibiza would struggle to stay with a well driven 944t thats been fettled round a track. In the dry anyway.
We should invite Jason Plato to do a few laps in each and see whats the quickest. Wonder where people would be putting there money.
Hey ask Jason what he thinks would lap fastest round sliverstone.
OR
Superb, Mr Plato in my 944t against the Badger in the ibiza round Silverstone, lets get it set up.
How much then WileE?
Yes its not just about power, WileE the 944 aint exactly renound for its poor handeling, eh!! Besides Bill Ibiza currently has more power then the Porker.
With a little stirring from Mr Leon_Lion-R for good measure..
I agree with ya tho... boring... is'nt it.. :whistle: :idea:
hopkinsgm
20-04-2004, 18:08
Yes, my apologies SBF - you will note, however that I retracted that statement when I editted the post.
But neither Bills nor Jabbas car are the standard Stage 3 kit.... they both have the boost cranked up higher.
Jabba say the standard gearbox is good for upto 290lb/ft, or 320lb/ft with a Quaife. However, when Autotechniks were fitting my Quaife they noticed that my gearbox' diff rivets showed signs of stepping and thats with just 200bhp!!! Therefore it wouldn't surprise me if in a year or twos time we start to see some gearbox problems on chipped cars... as for turbo upgrades, IMO as a minimum you need the rivets replaced with ARP fasteners. Thats just me repeating what Autotechniks told me though.
Note that the IHI is perfectly happy running upto 2 bat (29psi?) of boost and can generate much much more torque than the Stage 3 kit (Well over 400lb/ft can be delivered!)... the stage 3 kit has been designed with the gearbox and other components in mind.
Cheers
Ben
well ben thats well surprised me,forgot about the gearbox limitation etc with the 5 speed imho think the 6 speed would have trouble,under max pasty lol,least jabba are sensible enough to do this and not just reach for headline marketing figs well done jabba :thumbup:
and good luck for when yours is done ben matey
vern
why bother coming on a cupra site if own a porsche. wrong forum :confused:
Addo mate sbf used to own a wll tuned tdi ibiza,and sbf likes a laugh and a wind up,he's a sound lad from what i know of him on here,just says what he thinks and is prob too honest for is own good somtimes,a forum needs ppl like sbf +leo and a few others i could mention,gives the forum a balance imho........ :p ;)
The comment on turbovet was not nice,i think neil was having a laugh though ;) as tv was lcr mad thats why he visited here ffs,he just did not like the lcr forum dispanding thats all,
btw PMSL reading some of the posts,sbf really did "kill bill" with the nether regions comment, :roflmao: u should apoligise really sbf ;) :D
vern
ibizacupra
20-04-2004, 21:11
btw PMSL reading some of the posts,sbf really did "kill bill" with the nether regions comment, :roflmao: u should apoligise really sbf ;) :D
vern
It seemed a tad OTT.... and anyways, he should'nt be looking at my tackle... :roflmao:
Addo mate sbf used to own a wll tuned tdi ibiza
We can see that from his signiture. Just took it a little too far with bill's nether regions
It seemed a tad OTT.... and anyways, he should'nt be looking at my tackle... :roflmao:
did,nt know you were a fisherman bill :roflmao: i am sure sbf will be along soon lol
vern
We can see that from his signiture. Just took it a little too far with bill's nether regions
obviously addo did not :rolleyes:
vern
well ben thats well surprised me,forgot about the gearbox limitation etc with the 5 speed imho think the 6 speed would have trouble,under max pasty lol,least jabba are sensible enough to do this and not just reach for headline marketing figs well done jabba :thumbup:
and good luck for when yours is done ben matey
vern
Cheers, and I can't wait. :D
As for the rest of this thread, I've not got involved at all. I've not taken sides or made any comments... all I'll say is that comments and jokes can be taken seriously and then people get offended and feel the need to offend back and so on. Everyone involved are well respected and long time members and I think its probably best if everyone calms down, kisses and makes up and no more said on the subject.
Obviously I'm not a moderator, I'm just trying to help. And I'm not pointing fingers or taking sides.
:love: :love: :love:
Cheers
Ben
Cheers, and I can't wait. :D
As for the rest of this thread, I've not got involved at all. I've not taken sides or made any comments... all I'll say is that comments and jokes can be taken seriously and then people get offended and feel the need to offend back and so on. Everyone involved are well respected and long time members and I think its probably best if everyone calms down, kisses and makes up and no more said on the subject.
Obviously I'm not a moderator, I'm just trying to help. And I'm not pointing fingers or taking sides.
:love: :love: :love:
Cheers
Ben
hehe uncle ben :cop: good call, we have ruined a good thread :whistle: :hide:
vern
i'll have a play with it with the moderating machete later/tomorrow
congrats on taking it well off target. i hope my finger doesn't slip & remove any users
LEO LION R
21-04-2004, 08:03
hmmmmm . . . . just keep that finger off the trigger, i really don't think that would help the situation (joking or not) :whistle: :hide:
Just my honest opinion of course
:cheers:
ibizacupra
21-04-2004, 08:12
Cheers, and I can't wait. :D
As for the rest of this thread, I've not got involved at all. I've not taken sides or made any comments... all I'll say is that comments and jokes can be taken seriously and then people get offended and feel the need to offend back and so on. Everyone involved are well respected and long time members and I think its probably best if everyone calms down, kisses and makes up and no more said on the subject.
Obviously I'm not a moderator, I'm just trying to help. And I'm not pointing fingers or taking sides.
:love: :love: :love:
Cheers
Ben
:wave:
:clap:
:yes:
i dont have to wait :bleh: :bleh: :bleh:
just have to NOT crash it.
or kill it which wont be long - clutch anyway
i dont have to wait :bleh: :bleh: :bleh:
just have to NOT crash it.
or kill it which wont be long - clutch anyway
Well I've got the clutch, just not the IHI. :(
If you are planning on going on holiday this summer then I'll look after your car for you. ;)
Ben
ibizacupra
21-04-2004, 18:12
Well I've got the clutch, just not the IHI. :(Ben
Swapsies... :)
Bill, you have a deal... you can have my clutch if I can have your complete IHI convertion. :D
Ben
I phoned Jabba today, and its exactly as I expected...
They are now gonna move premises which will delay things by 3 weeks, and then I'm number 5 in the Ibiza list, so if they do 1 per week without gaps between cars then thats 8 weeks before I'm in... 2 months. :( And thats the best case scenario.... I can easily see it slipping to 3 months.
Gutted. Totally totally gutted! Looks like I'll get no IHI track experience this year. :crying:
Ben
Can't wait either - particulalrly as i now have an iron-clad excuse to spend serious money on the conversion (the wife made a large monetary dent in our finances recently) so it's all green lights from my side. Just not fron Jabba yet... Crikey it's been a long wait.
On the up side, the car isn't exactly slow now and i've yet to fit the Forge uprated SMIC to it so a little more power to come in the meantime.
Just waiting for that (long) phone call where i get to book it in and go through all the options with Jabba. One thing i'm wondering is whether the Forge SMIC is up to the job - it's supposed to have better flow than stock - or do i really need to be budgeting for a FMIC as well. Not sure about chargecoolers either - i have to profess ignorance on the subject really. Out of interest, if money wasn't an object, what mods would you do to my car as part of an IHI?
Sorry but I doubt the SMIC will be upto the job (Stage 3 right?). :( An FMIC would be best (See Mike and Addo's) or failing that a chargecooler.
If money was no object then you'd want uprated rods and pistons, Quaife differential, plus Quaife gearset (Good for 400lb/ft!). Aquamist would be nice too. CryO2 on the FMIC might be a nice extra, but probably wont notice much difference. 4wd conversion would be nice too. :)
Where are you on the list?
I'm not sure what to do about the turbo upgrade now. Will be jobless as from 1st Jan 05, so should really watch how I spend my money. Trouble is, I have the cash just sitting there, burning a hole in my pocket!!!
Ben
ibizacupra
30-04-2004, 15:02
Sorry but I doubt the SMIC will be upto the job (Stage 3 right?). :( An FMIC would be best (See Mike and Addo's) or failing that a chargecooler.
If money was no object then you'd want uprated rods and pistons, Quaife differential, plus Quaife gearset (Good for 400lb/ft!). Aquamist would be nice too. CryO2 on the FMIC might be a nice extra, but probably wont notice much difference. 4wd conversion would be nice too. :)
Where are you on the list?
I'm not sure what to do about the turbo upgrade now. Will be jobless as from 1st Jan 05, so should really watch how I spend my money. Trouble is, I have the cash just sitting there, burning a hole in my pocket!!!
Ben
Sell your Ibiza, buy my Mk4 Golf... comes IHI'd to mucho high power and spec... Jobs a goodun.. :D :thumbup: :hide: :whistle:
Sorry but I doubt the SMIC will be upto the job (Stage 3 right?). :( An FMIC would be best (See Mike and Addo's) or failing that a chargecooler.
If money was no object then you'd want uprated rods and pistons, Quaife differential, plus Quaife gearset (Good for 400lb/ft!). Aquamist would be nice too. CryO2 on the FMIC might be a nice extra, but probably wont notice much difference. 4wd conversion would be nice too. :)
Where are you on the list?
I'm not sure what to do about the turbo upgrade now. Will be jobless as from 1st Jan 05, so should really watch how I spend my money. Trouble is, I have the cash just sitting there, burning a hole in my pocket!!!
Ben
I'm open to advice but i'll talk it through with jabba throughly before i decide what to do. Quaife diff is prolly already on the list methinks - not sure about the gearset - depends on how far i take it! I'm sure i'll get bored and want more power eventually :)
Where am i on the list? Fairly high up i hope and as asked to be put on it a long long time ago - i think when i was last there having my suspension done. Elton said there was a 'few' before me. PAtience. Argh!
4wd? Has crossed my mind eight billion times or so!
BTW one thing i was gonna ask jabba about was portability - i.e. when the new leon cupra appears (prolly 2.0FSI turbo) whether they can re-adopt the kit for it. I'd put the current car back to stock turbo and sell it on as a chipped car (i'll ask mike to hang on to the program i have now). Would be nice... just a thought!
:cheers:
Shock_Xe
01-05-2004, 08:53
Sorry but I doubt the SMIC will be upto the job (Stage 3 right?). :( An FMIC would be best (See Mike and Addo's) or failing that a chargecooler.
CryO2 on the FMIC might be a nice extra, but probably wont notice much difference.
Ben
Cry02 is being developed as we speak :) Dont miss a thing see. Parts are on order, Just waiting for them.... Been orn order for a few weeks mind. Just waiting for solonoid and the cry02,
Watch this Space :D Another AM Product ;)
Really intresting reading mate http://www.cryofuzion.com/spraybar.htm don't seem to be a good idea :(
Cry02 is being developed as we speak :) Dont miss a thing see. Parts are on order, Just waiting for them.... Been orn order for a few weeks mind. Just waiting for solonoid and the cry02,
Watch this Space :D Another AM Product ;)
Shock_Xe
01-05-2004, 17:32
Really intresting reading mate http://www.cryofuzion.com/spraybar.htm don't seem to be a good idea :(
interesting, better cancel them parts then!!!
You can understand the science behind it though :( sort of make sense both ways around especially where the CAI is located... What about a water spray bar using a bit of methonal ?
Very interesting read about the CryO2. How about this then, actually have the CryO2 activate when you press the brake pedal (ie. when you don't need power), even better when you press the brake pedal and induction temps are over X degrees.
So, on a trackday for example, you would be flooring it, and things would be getting pretty hot, and then in the braking zones the CryO2 would cool things down a bit ready for the next straight. Should work I think.
Cheers
Ben
I think the problem with methanol is that it physically feels like it's cool to touch, but may have crapper heat transfer than cold air.
I'd want to be looking not only for a nice airflow to the intercooler, but also looking for exhaust too. no point having all this air hitting the 'cooler if it just creates a bernouli (if memory serves me right) effect & you just get slow air passing by as there's nowhere for it to go.
The problem there could be really bad hesatation after braking because of a CO2 build up in the engine bay ?
Very interesting read about the CryO2. How about this then, actually have the CryO2 activate when you press the brake pedal (ie. when you don't need power), even better when you press the brake pedal and induction temps are over X degrees.
So, on a trackday for example, you would be flooring it, and things would be getting pretty hot, and then in the braking zones the CryO2 would cool things down a bit ready for the next straight. Should work I think.
Cheers
Ben
ibizacupra
04-05-2004, 12:11
I think the problem with methanol is that it physically feels like it's cool to touch, but may have crapper heat transfer than cold air.
I'd want to be looking not only for a nice airflow to the intercooler, but also looking for exhaust too. no point having all this air hitting the 'cooler if it just creates a bernouli (if memory serves me right) effect & you just get slow air passing by as there's nowhere for it to go.
Methanol would evaporate faster than water... Kinda like neat winter screenwash (hint hint) sprayed across the FMIC/SMIC etc.... evaporates faster taking the heat with it..
Reading about the properties of Methanol on the Aqua mist web site, how hard is it to get hold of though?
surely evapourating right infront of the intercooler? then landing back on it?
ibizacupra
04-05-2004, 12:48
Squirt it onto the front of the FMIC, and let evaporation takes it course... off the fins
OR
Let the evaporation occur just before it gets to the FMIC so its cooling effect is more air related than evaopration physically on the fins of the IC.
It does work (water etc) as we have seen the likes of Stealth spray water onto the IC's when dyno'ing.
I'll probably go water spray (windscreen wash dosed well) when I go FMIC sometime.
Bill - "When I go FMIC sometime"
when is this likely to happen - wouldnt mind going this route myself - dont care what it looks like as long as she goes well - i'm gettin used to the power now - NO
need more - gonna do the clutch first then when i take it back when they are all settled in see if they car turn the boost up a little.
ibizacupra
04-05-2004, 16:58
Bill - "When I go FMIC sometime"
when is this likely to happen - wouldnt mind going this route myself - dont care what it looks like as long as she goes well - i'm gettin used to the power now - NO
need more - gonna do the clutch first then when i take it back when they are all settled in see if they car turn the boost up a little.
OMG.... "used to the power" already? :hide:
'kin-ell man
you serious? :redface:
I must be getting old...
FMIC is on the list of things to do next.... amongst other things..
ickle Ibiza is receiving its new g'box currently tho. :)
LEO LION R
05-05-2004, 06:53
Bill - "When I go FMIC sometime"
when is this likely to happen - wouldnt mind going this route myself - dont care what it looks like as long as she goes well - i'm gettin used to the power now - NO
need more - gonna do the clutch first then when i take it back when they are all settled in see if they car turn the boost up a little.
Just go and get an R500 and be done with it :D ;)
keep puting my foot down and expecting more power - but i think its down to me becoming used to it.
need to try out a track day but it'll have to wait till june - but hopefully by then it might seem quick as i wont be driving it for a month as i have no time.
yeah i wouldnt mind an R500 - quick as hell plus RWD so loads a fun :D
ibizacupra
05-05-2004, 10:30
I am getting old... :(
Used to it.... Used to it..... USED TO IT?? :drool: :-o
You leave it on high boost on the road? and use it?
"foot down and expecting more power?" :wtf: :scary: :drive2:
Squirt it onto the front of the FMIC, and let evaporation takes it course... off the fins
OR
Let the evaporation occur just before it gets to the FMIC so its cooling effect is more air related than evaopration physically on the fins of the IC.
It does work (water etc) as we have seen the likes of Stealth spray water onto the IC's when dyno'ing.
I'll probably go water spray (windscreen wash dosed well) when I go FMIC sometime.
Bill, you've obviously not read the Autospeed article on intercooler sprays then? They show that a 25% screenwash 75% water mix is actually 6% less effective than 100% water!
Similarily, methanol will evaporate more easily, but thats not the goal. Its not a matter of what will evaporate the quickest, its a question of what will absorb the most heat and then evaporate. Apparently water is one of the best, and they advise NOT to add anything, especially antifreeze/screenwash to it.
Cheers
Ben
Have you read the rest of the stuff on that Cryofusion website. OMG what a load of bollox! Just read about the Interfreezer and the FlowDucer!!! :roflmao:
And the Cheatah is beyond belief!!! MUPPETS! :roflmao:
The problem there could be really bad hesatation after braking because of a CO2 build up in the engine bay ?
Ok, at 6000rpm a NA engine will be breathing in just over 100 litres of air per second. A turbo car running 1bar bost will breath 200litres per second I think. The ammount of CO2 we are talking about is negligable compared to this. In fact I very much doubt you'd see the problems they mention from a spray bar.
Also, the amount of airflow through the engine area would mean that the majority of the air and CO2 doesn't actually go to the filter, it just gets blown away.
Cheers
Ben
Have you read the rest of the stuff on that Cryofusion website. OMG what a load of bollox! Just read about the Interfreezer and the FlowDucer!!! :roflmao:
Also, the amount of airflow through the engine area would mean that the majority of the air and CO2 doesn't actually go to the filter, it just gets blown away.
Cheers
Ben
Just going through some old mags and i found an ad for "The Turbo Zet" do you remember them two little PC fans inside a tube :D
But remeber that C02 displace's 02 think we could do with some test's.
I was talking to a friend of mine last night who runs a EVO rs sprint who has a Cryo bar and has had problems ever since fitting it. his words " it seem's to misfire under load" :confused:
Any guinee pigs around :)
Yeah I'll do it... you send me the CryO2 system and I'll try it out. ;)
Ben
ibizacupra
06-05-2004, 08:34
Bill, you've obviously not read the Autospeed article on intercooler sprays then? They show that a 25% screenwash 75% water mix is actually 6% less effective than 100% water!
Similarily, methanol will evaporate more easily, but thats not the goal. Its not a matter of what will evaporate the quickest, its a question of what will absorb the most heat and then evaporate. Apparently water is one of the best, and they advise NOT to add anything, especially antifreeze/screenwash to it.
Cheers
Ben
Things is which is more significant? Absorb and evaporate slowly or evaporate fast?
I remember an old school (memory fades) experiment on latent heat of evaopration, where an alchohol of some description was placed in a beaker and the beaker placed on a wet table top... The beaker froze to the table such was the evaopration rate and heat it took with it...
I know antifreezes etc, glycols etc in coolant reduce the specific heat capacity of plain water, but screen washes seem to evaoprate very quickly from some alchohol content (I think)
For ease of installation mind you, I will use water (with screen wash in it) from my windscreen washers to make a spray onto the FMIC when I use it. It can only help when under large load. :)
regards
bill
Yeah I'll do it... you send me the CryO2 system and I'll try it out. ;)
Ben
When the next rolling road?
I have a couple of CO2 bottles that i was going to chuck lets do some really world testing be intresting to see what happens as i like the idea of a spray bar.
I am trying to get my mate to run a bottle of No2 on his car as a comparison but it not to easy to get down here, Boc are pritty anal :(
yeah i only use full power on main roads not really in town as by the time it kicks in 2nd gear i have to break to keep under the speed limit
dont need more power when its wet as i had the TC light flashing all last night right up to about 80 found out its only really bad when u just floor it if u play with it a little i can get a good run.
been told i am spitting flames out ??? and it is popping loads without the cat.
CC has been working realy well recently with the damp air just got to see how it holds up on the track.
Things is which is more significant? Absorb and evaporate slowly or evaporate fast?
I remember an old school (memory fades) experiment on latent heat of evaopration, where an alchohol of some description was placed in a beaker and the beaker placed on a wet table top... The beaker froze to the table such was the evaopration rate and heat it took with it...
I know antifreezes etc, glycols etc in coolant reduce the specific heat capacity of plain water, but screen washes seem to evaoprate very quickly from some alchohol content (I think)
For ease of installation mind you, I will use water (with screen wash in it) from my windscreen washers to make a spray onto the FMIC when I use it. It can only help when under large load. :)
regards
bill
Have you decided on what spray controller to use?
I've got the Autospeed Intellegent Intercooler Water Spray (Although I have not intercooler ATM). Please please please read the Autospeed article before considering using something like a simple pressure switch or temperature switch.... such systems simply don't work very well!
Cheers
Ben
When the next rolling road?
I have a couple of CO2 bottles that i was going to chuck lets do some really world testing be intresting to see what happens as i like the idea of a spray bar.
I am trying to get my mate to run a bottle of No2 on his car as a comparison but it not to easy to get down here, Boc are pritty anal :(
I wont be doing any more RR days until I have got the turbo upgrade.
If you do take the CO2 to a RR day then make sure you only let off a similar amount to a spray bar... opening up a fire extinguisher would not be a realistic simulation. Also, you'll need a good fan to simulate the road speed as if the fan isn't fast enough the CO2 will linger and will be ingested.
Cheers
Ben
yeah i only use full power on main roads not really in town as by the time it kicks in 2nd gear i have to break to keep under the speed limit
dont need more power when its wet as i had the TC light flashing all last night right up to about 80 found out its only really bad when u just floor it if u play with it a little i can get a good run.
been told i am spitting flames out ??? and it is popping loads without the cat.
CC has been working realy well recently with the damp air just got to see how it holds up on the track.
You should consider getting a Charge Temperature gauge. I've got one and its quite interesting to leans what affects the intake temperatures. Its much more interesting than a boost gauge.
The charge temperature certainly warms up when you are driving slow, or stopped. Its happiest when you are going fast. Also, wet roads cool its down a lot... guess the water on the pre-rad helps.
Cheers
Ben
Yeah i could see the problems there, what sort of prices are spray bars going for at the mo?
Yeah i could see the problems there, what sort of prices are spray bars going for at the mo?
£73 - £80 inc VAT depending on size, from here:
CryO2 (http://www.thelegacycontinues.co.uk/CRYOINTSPRAYER.HTM)
But I thinks thats just for the bar. Then you need the CO2 bottle, actuator, pipework and some kind of controller. I think you can buy a complete CryO2 system but not sure of the price right now.
Cheers
Ben
I am getting old... :(
get that towbar on yer S8 and put your caravan on :p
ibizacupra
06-05-2004, 16:32
get that towbar on yer S8 and put your caravan on :p
Bleh! :bleh: :happy:
http://www.noswizard.com/graphics/cooler_kit.jpg
Full kit but can't see a price, this is what is fitted to my friends EVO..
Shock_Xe
17-05-2004, 22:20
http://www.noswizard.com/graphics/cooler_kit.jpg
Full kit but can't see a price, this is what is fitted to my friends EVO..
£250 supplied. I enquired bout this 6mths back