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Does anybody know if it's straightforward to install a VR6, 1.8T, 2.3 V5 or G60 engine into a 2.0 8v Ibiza?
Is the G60 engine an 8 valve in which case just the supercharger bits & pieces could be used.
Thanks
Nick
g60 is 1.8 8v.i suppose you could use the same bits,
20vt is relatively easy,front subframe from 20vt ibiza is tha same as 8v
vr6 has been done by one of our members,think dubsport did it
welcome to cupra net,rather bold first post ;)
steer clear of VR6 conversions as it affects handling
there are numerous post's use the search function and i'm sure you will find what your looking for :thumbup:
BBSparky
16-04-2004, 15:00
The G60 is an 8v but it would be a lot more involved than just bolting the charger onto yout 8v Seat. ( Trust me i looked into this a LOT when i had my ibiza ). Would probably be cheaper to do a full engine swap to a g60 unit then tweak that. Mines putting out 205bhp and 215 torque which would make it rapid in a lighter weight ibiza.
personally i'd go 20vt much more bang for your buck and turbo's are pretty easy to come by,new super chargers are expensive,old ones are tired,you could get a 20vt ibiza for 6-7 k
but that'd be boring yeh?
hopkinsgm
16-04-2004, 17:08
G60 is indeed an 8v BUT... It's an old skool (short block) VW 8v, also interestingly it's 1763cc rather than the 1781cc VW use for every other 1.8 motor they've ever produced. It's a conversion that would have far more involved in it than I imagine you've considered. And no, even with custom brackets you couldn't just bolt the charger onto your existing motor - well, physically you could but the engine wouldn't last too long as the compression ratio will be too high. You'll either blow the engine apart or if you're lucky just do the head gasket.
VR6, as mentioned above, is a heavy unit so handling will suffer. It's also thirsty and tunability isn't great (at least not at sensible cost it ain't).
I'm with Jase - dropping a complete front subframe from a mk3 Ibiza Cupra would most likely be the easiest way to go and not as terrifyingly expensive as it once was. It's simpler than it used to be now that a few enlightened folk have figured out how to bypass the immobiliser. It also has, by far, the most potential for tweakablity of any of the units suggested. And of course, mk3 Cupra's are dropping in price all the time...
The only reasons i'd even entertain the idea of dropping either a VR6 or G60 into a mk2 Ibiza would be the noise - they are both engines that make quite a distinctive noise whereas the 20vT unit is a bit bland...
you're gonna have to stop agreeing with me glyn,people are gonna talk:)
Thanks for the replies everybody.
I thought the VR6 engine might be a touch heavy but the VR6 golfs used to handle well didn't they?
Yeah, I know pretty much what'd be involved with installing the G60 supercharger. But I know you'd need a fully programmable ECU and don't really fancy messing about with that. It would be better to go for a full transplant, it's just that I know my current engine has only done 30k miles and has never really been thrashed.
So the 1.8 T engine sounds the best bet but I'm a little scared of wiring etc ... even stuff like rev counter and speedo would these be an issue?
I've driven the 1.8T Ibiza and thought it was pretty quick (although that was before I had the MGZS) and one gave me a bit of a pasting the other day too!
What about the 2.016v engine, what are those like? 150bhp so comparable to the 1.8T or not???
Thanks again,
Nick
you are gonna be looking at problems with ecu + wiring to match no matter what conversion you go for
apart from spending ca$h to get somone to do it for you - save it and buy a car with it in
20vt mk3's are getting available for the sort of money it would cost you to convert a mk2 if you didnt do it yaself
abf engine is fine in standard form,not alot in it between that and what you have now,power bands are quite different though,further up the rev range on the 16v,depends what you want .
20vt in stnd form are slighly quicker ,but to get 200+bhp from 20vt will cost hundreds,for a 16v it takes thousand(s)
an idea,why not spend a few hundred quid on a head job and lary cam on the 8v,will make you grin i'm sure,and your insurance won't go mental.try getting a quote for a 20vt mk2 ibiza,people will laugh at your premium(i imagine)
IMO, the Ibiza needs a modded 20vT to really go, unless you totally gut the interior. Even with a modded ABF, they're still slow with all the trim inside.
1100kg is pretty heavy in my book and the 16v doesn't have enough torque to get the weight rolling. A 2.0 16v swap in a 1000kg Mk2 Golf is the limit if you ask me - otherwise it's pretty slow! I could have done a 1.8T swap into my Ibiza for less money than the mods and wish I had, really...
ibizacupra
17-04-2004, 06:30
IMO, the Ibiza needs a modded 20vT to really go, unless you totally gut the interior. Even with a modded ABF, they're still slow with all the trim inside.
RobT might not agree with you on that one mate.. ;) :)
Lime Pickle 16v Ibiza turns a fair lick of speed on track... Don;t know of many cars which can equal it.. (know of a couple, but I own them... :p )
Thanks again - getting some good responses here!
I would be doing the work myself if I did it.
I really would like to have the turbo or supercharger power and torque really. I'm not talking about making the thing lightening quick, I just miss the power that my ZS had.
I did consider doing some head work & getting a camshaft with a bit longer duration and higher lift but there's a limit and to keep it nice and sensible I reckon I'd be struggling for 150bhp. I've done all that before with a mini and it had pretty impressive top end power but to get the best out of it, I'd need an exhaust system and manifold, air filter etc which makes it too noisy. I'm sick of noisy cars now, I just want a fast one!
I don't know what you all think but the 2.0 8v doesn't seem very refined to me, it's a bit of an old cast iron lump, that's why I'd prefer the 20v Turbo engine.
Insurance is another issue that I haven't really thought about - it probably scuppers the whole idea!
I was thinking 1100kg isn't that heavy these days when a ford focus weighs in at about 1300kg. A lot of the hot hatches now are pretty heavy, the only good ones are the Honda Civic and Renault Clio I think.
Nick
RobT might not agree with you on that one mate.. ;) :)
Lime Pickle 16v Ibiza turns a fair lick of speed on track... Don;t know of many cars which can equal it.. (know of a couple, but I own them... :p )
You're right, but his is stripped out isn't? As I said, then they can go, but in full road trim, they're too heavy for wimpering 2.0 16v :(
BeezerDiesel
18-04-2004, 09:25
I'm with Jason on this one, don't waste your money on a transplant, go for a good quality head and cam plus chip, you'll get plenty of torque, a bit more top end and no extra weight to carry around. The top end of the engine will also be new instead of something second hand out of a write-off.
And no, Golf VR6s don't handle that well really, they are okay as road cars but need a lot of mods to the suspension to make them balanced on track and cost thousands to get big power out of. Corrados handle much better but they are surprisingly heavy cars for their age/size.
Corrados handle much better but they are surprisingly heavy cars for their age/size.
Corrado VR6 - 1236kg.
To put that in perspective, to get a P-W-R close to Bills Ibiza, it would need 400bhp. To equal my Fireblade it would need 600bhp and it would still be slower (in 1/4 mile terms) due to FWD traction problems.
As for your 8v, I agree with most here - keep it, do some mild tweaking and accept it for what it is or sell it and buy a Mk3 20VT. You can spend a fortune on turbo/super chargers but with that cylinder head, you'll be lucky to crack 200bhp - a 20VT with remap will make that.
Yeah, it looks as though that could be the way to go. It would cost about a grand (minimum) to get a decent exhaust, manifold, incuction system, cam and chip though.
What kind of power / performance could I expect for that type of modification. A piper 285 camshaft should be ok as I had one with longer duration and overlap in my 1380cc mini and it still ran fine and passed emissions etc.
I would hope it would give 145-150bhp? But this still wouldn't be as fast as a 20vT would it? Would it be on a par with the 16v?
Possibly, but considering 2L 16v engines are from circa £600 why bother? With all that work to an 8v it'll drive more like a 16v than an 8v anyway.
If you're only after about 150bhp, a 16v engine should be a straight swap for your 8v (just about) and the 16v is just as quick (if not quicker) than a standard 20vt (though nowhere near as smooth)
info@dontsnore.
20-05-2004, 07:12
:) OK, hope you dont think this is stealing the thread but what about sort of doing it the other way round?
Can anyone here offer advice on what is feasible to put into a MkII Golf GTi? I have a tatty old one and would love to put some sort of 1.8T engine and 6sp box in it.
Was thinking that the Seat Cupra R would be a good source as ( as far as I know ) is front wheel drive. Would therefore imagine that the whole unit engine and gearbox would go in. What I get stuck on is the driveshafts, hubs, brakes and everything else. :-o
Anyone got any experience of this? :D
Zak