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Have just been to Powerflow today to see if they could do a Audi TT twin back box style exhaust for the Ibiza Cupra and bad new cos they cant as you would have to cut and move the spare wheel recess and it would still be offset and not flush!
Never mind eh, David(GTEVO) wernt you looking at this? I am going for a full system!
Cheers.
Si
Minty Man
13-02-2002, 16:45
Can recomend a place that will do one for you if your willing to travel, ASCAR in sheffield will make you any exhaust you want, and they are top bollocks, amazing customer service and the price is right too!
http://www.ascarexhausts.com
if you're after twin exit why not get a duplex back box by remus.twin exits either side of the spare wheel well?not sure on a price .you know who to ask!:cheers:
Okay mate who am I asking?
Does it look like cack though cos most of them off the shelf do to be honest!
Si
Remus available from John B @ SJBSport - not on his website though
Nice - and the 16v will fit fine
hopkinsgm
13-02-2002, 20:17
Originally posted by Minty Man
ASCAR in sheffield will make you any exhaust you want, and they are top bollocks
I suppose a lot would depend on whether you want a system that looks good or one that will actually let the engine breathe easier. If there's bits of bodywork or chassis that have to be circumnavigated, then the system won't flow right. Result? You get the look (and possibly also the sound) but no real performance advantage. Why not just stick a tailpipe trim through your bumper? It acheives the look far cheaper. (You could go out and buy a n*va while you're at it :D)
I'm not going to even go there as to whether a cosmetic duplex system would be a waste of money or not, after all you pays your money 'n' that but I PERSONALLY am not into purely cosmetic mods...
G
P.S. The above response was not having a go at anyone, just a bit of technical knowledge and a couple of opinions - it was not my intention to offend (apart from the bit about n*va's...) :)
the duplex system isn't cosmetic,it works ,has all the bracket and as someone will vouch for im sure remus make some of the best exhausts on the market.
:cheers:
hopkinsgm
13-02-2002, 20:49
Jason - wasn't dissing the Remus system, I know they're one of very few manufacturers to make proper performance systems... Just meant that if the system doesn't flow cleanly and the pipes aren't balanced, then what's the point (again, i'm not saying this is the case with the Remus)? There's a hell of a lot of design work SHOULD go into a performance exhaust, there's more to it than simply cosmetics and 'oooo, that's a big pipe!'
G
When I buy an exhaust I look for the look, the performance and the price and try to get everything right.
It just so happens that Powerflow are one of the very few people that can make a exhaust for your car and yours only and at the end of the day what is the point of going round with the same thing as every other SEAT?
The bottom line is that you get what you wanna get and if it shags up then thats your own tough bollox, mine will be on tommorow at about 3.30 pm and I will let you know what its like and they have already done 4 other 20v T's and they do pop a little bit but life aint perfect is it?
Cheers.
Si
hell, I have to admit i'm shallow and just wanted a big pipe - so you can gun me down mr Hopkins! :D
seriously, I have found over the cars I've modded the backbox makes little noticeable difference, all the gains seem to come from the centre section - I guess its because the oe backboxes have come up to a decent quality now.
Originally posted by CupraSi
Have just been to Powerflow today to see if they could do a Audi TT twin back box style exhaust for the Ibiza Cupra and bad new cos they cant as you would have to cut and move the spare wheel recess and it would still be offset and not flush!
Si
is that the guys at topgear in st. albans, are they an allright bunch of geezars?:cheers:
It certainly is Stu, they did a system for my Golf and it was superb and they are a top bunch up there!
You have one in Croydon that is pretty good as well!
Si
Originally posted by CupraSi
It certainly is Stu, they did a system for my Golf and it was superb and they are a top bunch up there!
You have one in Croydon that is pretty good as well!
Si
the one in croydon is is not reccomended by a mate who has had dealings with, have you had dealings with them?
croydon is closer than st .albans but st. albans is a lot easier to get to:cheers:
I personally have not had dealings with them in Croydon but a mate (FC Cover Car Nova on 19's) had his done there plus quite a few other people around Sutton have as well and I had not heard anything bad!
However I know the guys at St Albans and they are pretty good, for me its bout 6 miles away so thats cool, goes in tommorow!
Si
Mmmmm, think I will stick with the one in st albans when the time comes(when my current one falls off;))
hopkinsgm
14-02-2002, 12:32
Originally posted by ScottyP
so you can gun me down mr Hopkins
As I stated further up the thread, you pays your money... As I also stated, my PERSONAL stance is that as I don't have a huge stack of cash to spare, I believe that mods should enhance performance and not be purely cosmetic. I wasn't having a go at anyone, anybodies car or any product, just stating an OPINION and what suits my tastes. Yes Scott, your Cordy does look pretty tasty, not knocking it at all but I couldn't live with it day to day (although the lack of splitters to steal might be a benefit ;) ).
Basically, I have grave doubts as to whether a cheap custom system would be properly engineered and hence flow correctly (see also my comments on thread Halfords-BK Wheels)... And a badly engineered exhaust which doesn't flow cleanly could actually lead to a drop in power and torque. From what i've seen, Seat exhausts are pretty efficient and flow fairly nicely as it it is. Speaking purely from a performance point of view, it's always harder to improve on something that's pretty good to start with, far easier to improve upon a steaming heap of sh*te...
So, back to Scotts point - if it looks good, is that a waste of money? Depends what you set out aiming to do - if your goal was to acheive a certain look, and you've satisfied that goal, then it's money well spent. If you only wanted a power hike, then it was a waste of cash if it lead to a power drop. Most people are after a balance of looks and performance, at which point the water gets muddied...
G
Originally posted by ScottyP
all the gains seem to come from the centre section
I'ved gained a lot of knocking noise from my centre section swap. Not quite what I hoped to achieve, but hopefully it goes quicker too.
I agree Glyn
Powerflow seem to just stick pipes together. (I know this is gonna upset people)
I think a properly engineered exhasut will perhaps perfom better (bhp & torque wise)
but i guess it depends on what you want. a tail pipe of your choice and a loud exhaust - or something that will help make your car a bit faster. rarely do you get the same thing for little money!
Who said it was little money?
Si
Little money compared to a well designed exhaust like the AmD / Milteck Turbo back one.
like the Scooby Sport ones
ones that get more power out of your exhaust for 800 quid
if your paying that much for some steel pipe that's not been designed for optimum flow then they've got your trousers down.
Mmmmm well this will be my third PIPE stuck together from Powerflow and I have never had a problem with it and I have never had a loss in power either!
I am sure that the other thousands of customers are pretty happy as well and I dont see that many major complaints about Powerflow, but they would not suit everybody and we all go wher we want to go for our modifications.
If I had a Scooby then I would think that it was worth £800 to sepnd however I am quite happy to spend £300 on this car and be happy again.
The reason that we dont go for most of the ones on the market is cos most people will have them and I think that they are not the best looking and hence at Powerflow you can choose what you like for the car!
Oh well thats me caught with my pants down and I guess being around modified cars for 14 yrs would mean that I would not have any idea as to what sort of thing that I was looking for and I would not have taken any adivice would I cos?
Naah, Si walks away bares his arse and says kiss this and then pulls his pants up!
hopkinsgm
14-02-2002, 19:28
Which was kind of what I was getting at all along - we are just coming from differnent angles Si. You are changing the exhaust more for the way it looks, and a power hike (if get it) will be a fringe benefit. I'm not rubbishing your standpoint as modifying your car to make it look a bit different is perfectly valid if that is what you want. I feel my view on this matter is equally valid in that I expect a few more ponies at my disposal if i'm going to fork out for a new 'performance' exhaust...
So can we just leave it at that Si?
G
That was the point I was getting at too G.
Mind you Si was talking to me about a full cat back system.
I was thinking of back pressure problems & also remembering Paul Bayston's problems with "Loud & Rumbley"Flow
As you have said we all have different points of view and wants and needs at the end of the day if it cocks up then thats down to me, the fact that I will be the sixth Ibiza 20v T to go to them and have a similar system put on gives me a little bit of faith, but with everything there remains a risk as it is not the standard system!
The fact also that only after 9 weeks the back box is already rusting and looks a poor site is another reason why I wanted to change it.
Anyway cheers for your points of view ;)
Si
hopkinsgm
15-02-2002, 12:25
Re: risk - absolutely agree Si - I know that when I put the Koni's on my 8v it was a bit of a leap of faith as everyone else seemed to go for the Bilstein Sprintline kit. As it turned out, it was a gamble that paid off and the Koni's suit me better than I think the Bilsteins would have done. There will always be a certain amount of doubt involved when fitting any new product, bespoke item or even just something different to the norm as it may be underdeveloped or may not behave the way you expected and sadly the opportunities to try before you buy are limited for the likes of us.
Hope the system works out fine for you,
G