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cupra-neil
30-04-2004, 11:39
Have scorpion produced a down pipe and cat yet? :D
Bill Prawn
30-04-2004, 11:46
No.
Bill Prawn
30-04-2004, 11:47
Spoke to them this week and they said they don't have enough call from the Seat range to make too many exhausts or to do the research.
They said they will when they get enough enquiries.
cupra-neil
30-04-2004, 11:50
Spoke to them this week and they said they don't have enough call from the Seat range to make too many exhausts or to do the research.
They said they will when they get enough enquiries.
Perhaps intrest could be generated via seatcupra.net? :thumbup:
ibizacupra
30-04-2004, 13:45
perhaps leave the others who do then to supply SEATs if they can't be ar$ed
Spoke to them this week and they said they don't have enough call from the Seat range to make too many exhausts or to do the research.
They said they will when they get enough enquiries.
:censored: :thumbd: :(
Arse!
perhaps leave the others who do then to supply SEATs if they can't be ar$ed
couldn't have put it better
'lets make money for a company' lmao
I'm just trialing the Scorpion CAT pipe this weekend, All being well then they'll be in production by the end of next week, in time for GTi International.
Any questions give me a call or reply on here.
Picture included
Price TBA
I hope this helps
do they include the 2nd lambda fix on that decat pipe?
i quite fancy one will it give more bhp, any ideas how much?
Yes it does include the second Lambda, some De-cat pipes only have 1, but the Scorpion, like the Supersprint have both.
Prices are on the way about £70 i'll keep you posted
they might have both, but what's the scorpion soloution to the MIL light?
Fitting the pipe this afternoon, so not sure what will be involved yet. I'll see if the light comes on and then switch it off with VAG-COM, maybe some way of solving the problem.
I refuse to remove my second Lambda and fix it up out of the way under the car like the 1 Lambda CAT pipes suggest you do. The Lambda is heated and having that kicking around under the car spells trouble if you ask me. If you remove the Lambda completely this will also bring the light on.
Scorpion said they would be more than happy to remove the second Lambda if required, but we'll see whats needed and go from there.
so more of a bodge than a fix.
the light will come on unless you (or someone) can work out what a 'good' signal is for the lambda to reply back with.
easy to do if you can be assed & have an oscilloscope/and or multimeter
If it's easy then could you please tell me how to do it, cause like most people I do not have access to a oscilloscope.
Plus how do you change the signal sent back to the ECU? (with a resistor?) will this cause any problems as there must be a reason for the second Lambda as they ain't cheap.
What have been other Manufacturers (of 1 Lambda CAT pipe) solutions to this problem, do they supply the required kit to fix the problem?
Scorpion will happily do whats needed to fix any problems.
get under car & measure the signal that is being measured with a known to be good cat once it's warm & at a sensible load (you'll need a RR i imagine to replicate this)
then make up a simple circuit to show the same results.
It probably is just a resistor, but might be an RC circuit - neither is hard to do.... think GCSE Electronics / Physics & you'll be miles beyond where you need to be.
I'd love to do it for you, but it's not like I'm the one with the MIL light problem. sorry
Mark
Have other Cat pipe manufacturers solved this problem? or is it still an ongoing issue?
if anyone can be assed AFAIK it'd be unique
nobody like driving along with a check engine light on their dash - what would tell you something else was wrong..... that'd be my guess why they're not flooding out of supersprint etc
Excuse me if im the only 1 who doesnt know what 'AFAIK' means, but what does it mean?
That doesn't answer my question really, what have other 1 lambda probe Cat manufacturers done to solve any problems, because if there is no-where to put that second lambda then what would you do with it?
Surely the best solution for a performance decat pipe is to have 2 Lambda probe holes like the standard CAT?
I know people wont like driving around with the light on but I don't know what better solutions are available on the market?
If 1 is the way to go then what do you do with the Lambda? Thats why both Supersprint and Scorpion have 2. They make exhausts not rewire cars, If they can do something to solve the problem, Scorpion have assured me they will, but they aren't electricians!
They just make performance stainless steel exhausts.
Excuse me if im the only 1 who doesnt know what 'AFAIK' means, but what does it mean?
That doesn't answer my question really, what have other 1 lambda probe Cat manufacturers done to solve any problems, because if there is no-where to put that second lambda then what would you do with it?
Surely the best solution for a performance decat pipe is to have 2 Lambda probe holes like the standard CAT?
I know people wont like driving around with the light on but I don't know what better solutions are available on the market?
If 1 is the way to go then what do you do with the Lambda? Thats why both Supersprint and Scorpion have 2. They make exhausts not rewire cars, If they can do something to solve the problem, Scorpion have assured me they will, but they aren't electricians!
They just make performance stainless steel exhausts.
AS FAR AS I KNOW.....
On the Ibiza the 2nd probe measures the effectiveness of the cat. if it reads the same as the 1st sensor it'll assume that the cat is malfunctioning.
if you're looking just to copy the supersprint one - it won't work on it's own without the 2nd sensor doing something. sticking it in the pipe will show a malfunction.
IF i were doing it. i'd blank the 2nd hole on the decat & supply a connection to where the 2nd probe goes to turn that MIL light off.
I would guess they're not electricians (it's not an electricians job either) not particularly clued up on cars.... just pipe benders.
Like I said AFAIK (see above incase you've forgotten what that meant) there is no fix readily availble, probably because the people that make the decat pipes never see a car nor know what the problem is.
tell them lend me a car, give me 5k budget and a set of rollers & I'll come up with the answer. can't say fairer than that.
the main reason I imagine that nobody markets this fix is because it would cost about 10p to make & you'd feel agreived at paying anything more than that for a resistor, capacitor & a bit of wire.
then who's gonna bother doing all of that just to sell something for 10p to a limited audience.
:idea: you could try this
http://www.gmcmotorsport.co.uk/GMC/product_pics/lambda-holder.jpg
Thanks M0rk, I'm greatful for your words of wisdom, looks like it's back to the drawing board for Scorpion then.
It's a shame our ECU have so many clever saftey features to try and get round.
:cheers:
ibizacupra
04-05-2004, 09:58
Did'nt Paul (Max Torque) post up what the ME7 was looking for signal wise from Lambda #2. Mines running effectively one lambda, no MIL, both lambda's fitted pre-cat on the IHI. ECU is S3 one so I guess this only wanted one signal..
Lambda's are only mV sources proportional to 02 across the cell.
Bill
yeah - he did and even some suggested values.... accuracy to within millivolts is fine - just a case of knowing which ones.
3" downpipe with race cat works like a gem. no problem with m.o.t time then. :bleh:
cupra-neil
04-05-2004, 19:22
3" downpipe with race cat works like a gem. no problem with m.o.t time then. :bleh:
Addo, would that race cat fit onto scorpion rear box think it 2.5" [B)]
Addo, would that race cat fit onto scorpion rear box think it 2.5" [B)]
2.25" I think! Certainly not a 'true' 2.5" system like the Miltek etc. :confused:
so how much is the "am motorsport" 3" DP & race cat?
also, how much is the miltek dp&cat?
cupra-neil
05-05-2004, 22:00
so how much is the "am motorsport" 3" DP & race cat?
also, how much is the miltek dp&cat?
Mark, i email AMD about a down pipe and cat and they told me that the cat wouldnt fit onto our scorpion back boxes something to do with a flange on the cat being the wrong size :confused:
cupra-neil
05-05-2004, 22:12
2.25" I think! Certainly not a 'true' 2.5" system like the Miltek etc. :confused:
Would the race cat fit then? :blink:
thats arse then :(
i wonder if this am motorsport one would fit?
to be honest mate, the miltek one could be make to fit quite easily if its just a size thing. im sure it'd only take a sleeve to sort out - easy job.
2.25" I think! Certainly not a 'true' 2.5" system like the Miltek etc. :confused:
Untrue, the am down pipe is a full sweeping 3" bend into a race cat then full 2.5" exit from the cat to fit on all after market true 2.5" systems.
fitting can be arrange as an extra charge to.
The Militek isn't even a true 2.5" system it conctracts at one point of the dp to 2.25 or lower if i can remeber correctly. i'll need to refer back to my photos.
but as you can clearly see by the attachments am's is 3" and that cat you can see is a militek
:rolleyes: :bleh: :drool: