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HI there are there any performance upgrades that i can buy for a standard 1.4 mk2 ibiza engine non injection?
non injection?
how do you think you get petrol in mate
Was going to say something similar, but not as sarcastic as Mark's post.
Hate to sound brutal, but look for a new engine. You're not going to get much, even with spending lots on the engine. A 2.0 8v, 1.8 16v, etc might be cheaper.
swales_p
07-05-2004, 10:55
Here's the funny thing boys - I had the same car and had a HUGE argument over the phone to Direct Line saying it wasnt an injection. It must be but i did actually think it wast.
Anyway, i won the argument and got £150 nocked off me insurance taking it down to £350 fully comp - ha ha!! do the same bud! dont back down and shout away! ur insurance will be that cheap ull be able to buy some more mods!! ha ha
do the same bud! dont back down and shout away! ur insurance will be that cheap ull be able to buy some more mods!! ha ha
You don't think they'd have something to say if you had a claim and they spotted your subtley hidden injection system hanging off the engine? :rolleyes:
swales_p
07-05-2004, 11:01
Nope! the car got crash into three times too. None were my fault so that may be the reason why it was never picked up on! They did lock it away due to my alloywheels and i had to pay £150 to get it back - this coverd the extra on me insurance + fee of garage to hold the car!!!
Ohh yes, lets gan round to our insuarnce companys and burn the buggers down!!!!
Its not an injection i would know if it was because there would be this thing called a computer under the bonnet which manages it so im not being stupid!
Its not an injection i would know if it was because there would be this thing called a computer under the bonnet which manages it so im not being stupid!
andy-gti-r
07-05-2004, 11:36
Do U not mean there would this thing called an ECU inside the car to control it ;)
Wouldn't be the best place for an apple mac under the bonnet of an Ibiza
swales_p
07-05-2004, 16:44
Go on Lacer!! thats the spirit. now ring ya insurance in that frame of mind and WOO HOO!! cheap insurance for you!
cordobabrendy
07-05-2004, 16:58
theres two types of 1.4 matey, single point and multipoint, i think they were maybe saying it wasnt multipoint.
Timmy Turtle
07-05-2004, 17:14
What year is the ibiza?It is unlikely to be a carb under there as cat tests were introduced about when the ibiza first came out and most manufacturers were pushing injection into all their cars,but you do get some rogue models that no-one knows about.
it is an injection model - but it looks v similar to the carb on the 1.3 Polo's
Timmy Turtle
07-05-2004, 18:05
Tsr do a turbo kit to give you 100+ bhp but £2500!!!
I dont wanna pay that much might as well get a better car. It isnt an injection i should no i drive the thing. It is a 1996 special edition salsa i think and its just a 1.4 standard
The Haynes manual states that all petrol engine models from 93-99 are fuel injection.
Lacer
having owned a 1.4 1994 for 3 years+ before I got my current car I can say with some conviction that you might be slightly mislead in thinking that your car isn't injection
go look at the engine code - if we assume it's the OE engine and not changed - I will bet money on it being either an ABD or AEX
could you check & let me know which one of these fuel injected engines it is so I can tell you which mods to buy?
ta
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From the Haynes manual:
1390cc AEX Bosch Motronic inhection
1390cc APQ Bosch Motronic injection
1391cc ABD Bosch Mono-Motronic injection
They're all injection, it's just as somebody mentioned earlier some are single point injection and later ones are multipoint. Engines have the airbox on the top so it looks like a carb, but isn't.
Ah you guys look right then it is an AEX engine so what does that mean and what mods can i buy for it thanks a lot guys
relocated cone filter works well... you can chip it for minimal gains, but f2-Stu now runs with an adjustable Fuel Pressure Regulator & gets about 80bhp & 100lbft torque.
that'll probably clear you at about £500 all in
Ah you guys look right then it is an AEX engine so what does that mean and what mods can i buy for it thanks a lot guys
Unscrew you airbox, and you will find 4 injectors right next to your HT leads
Dont take it too hard, its not your fualt you dont know shit about your engine ;)
You can get an iduction kit for starters, K&N do one (part no. 57-0193-1)
so if the engine is injected where is the ECU? hoo much would the relocated cone filter on its own cost? How is it fitted? and how much extra HP can i expect? thanks for your help again
so if the engine is injected where is the ECU? hoo much would the relocated cone filter on its own cost? How is it fitted? and how much extra HP can i expect? thanks for your help again
1) the ECU is located underneath the scuttle panel (what your window wipers are bolted too) by the VIN plate
2) the filter kit (K&N) costs around 60 odd depending who you buy it from, it comes with everything you need except tools
3) the standard air box is removed and a conicle filter clamps to the throttle body which is fed by a cold feed pipe.
4) not alot, perhaps a 2-3bhp, but does make the engine more responsive
the ECU is:
standing bonnet up at the front of the car - under the windscreen at the top left
There is no way you should spend 500 on your 1.4 - you can buy a 2.0 16v ABF for that money and have at least 160BHP and 140lb/ft straight out of box if it's in good nick.
You won't even get that power strapping on a T88-34D Turbo to your 1.4 and running 35psi LOL!!
I have taken the lid of the airbox and there is a massive air filter in there is there anything i can do with this to increase power? underneath the airbox there are the injectors etc where does the induction kit go and what sort of power increase can i expect? What is chipping the engine? How does this work? any answer on my questions here and any other bits of useful information would be great, cheers folks
I have taken the lid of the airbox and there is a massive air filter in there is there anything i can do with this to increase power? underneath the airbox there are the injectors etc where does the induction kit go and what sort of power increase can i expect? What is chipping the engine? How does this work? any answer on my questions here and any other bits of useful information would be great, cheers folks
The induction kit will replace all the plastic bits on the top of the engine and sit directly on the top of the inlet manifold/throttle body. It will need some cold air pipes (possibly supplied with it) to direct cold air at it. However it is more benefical to move the fillter as far away as possible from the manifold to stop it sucking in hot air. This requires a bit of customisation ala: http://www.8valves.co.uk/images/tt/4.jpg
Without directing lots of cold air to the induction kit you won't get any performance gains, just a throaty roar.
Chipping the engine means replacing/updating the software in the ECU. The updated code will have different limits/tolerances hence improving the response of the car. Gains are quite minimal though, probably 10BHP if you're lucky for about £300 cost.
How much will the induction kit cost and how much extra BHP will it have? If i chip the engine with an induction kit would this make much difference rather than just chipping it on its own? I just looked at Steves picture of the induction kit with the customisation, how have you done it and was it easy and does it make it easier? Sorry for all the questions lol
cordobabrendy
08-05-2004, 17:20
if you're going to have it chipped, the best sequence of upgrades would be
1. induction kit
2. exhaust system (less restrictive)
3. get the head gas flowed (this allows more air into the combustion chambers for a better bang)
4. higher lift cam/cam kit
5. chip it.
depending on funding, steps can be skipped but usually the expensive bits being the highest porformance gains.
Well i will get the induction kit does anyone know if K & N part number 57-0193-1 has a heat shield with it? If it doesnt can i mkae one myself? I am getting a new back box but not exhaust system to be honest i wanna make it a bit more powerful and look better and make it sound better but at the end of the day it is a 1.4 and i could save money for a more powerful car. But what is getting the head gas flowed (sorry i dont no much to do with engines only my first car im learning slowly) and what will it do and how much will it cost? Also what is the higher lift cam/cam kit and again what does this do and how much? How much extra BHP can i expect if i do the cam kit, induction kit and head gas flowed? thanks for your help guys
cordobabrendy
08-05-2004, 18:40
ok, cam upgrade will allow more time for air/peetrol mix to get into the chamber before going bang, this means the longerduration cam you go for, the lumpier it will be at idle/low revs but will pull like a train further up the rev range.
Gas flowing the head means that the airways are widened and the path the air has to travel into the engine is simplified which increases the air flow. more air = bigger bangs, this is why turbos/chrgers are used so much, they force a shed load more air into the engine giving more power output.
bhp wise, a well flowed head/cam combo on a 1.4 would help get an extra 10-15 brake, the chip would possibly add another 5 brake to the figure but would make it a lot easier to drive and give better mpg compared to a non chipped engine.
seeiing as most 1.4 ibizas put out more than their 60 brake official rating. so if you achieved 80-90 brake out of it, id say job well done. price wise you wouldnt see any change out of a grand though.
To throw another element into the equation, how about tranny'ing in a 1.6 aft engine in which has just over 100 bhp standard?would cost a fair bit less though insurance costs may bring it back up in the long run.