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Pretty much every tuned 1.8T I see uses the Samco intake pipe between the MAF and turbo, hardly anyone seems to use the metal ABD or Neuspeed type. Why is this? Is it because the rubber top half can collapse under high boost (and looks kak too) and that the Samco is one smooth pipe? Also, the metal type bolts onto the turbo but the Samco is just a push fit and jubilee clip.
I currently use the Neuspeed TIP but I've bought a Samco one to try out, mainly for the above reasons (one smooth pipe, reinforced so won't collapse, looks better)
Any thoughts, pros and cons?
slim_boy_fat
13-05-2004, 14:16
Pretty much every tuned 1.8T I see uses the Samco intake pipe between the MAF and turbo, hardly anyone seems to use the metal ABD or Neuspeed type. Why is this? Is it because the rubber top half can collapse under high boost (and looks kak too) and that the Samco is one smooth pipe? Also, the metal type bolts onto the turbo but the Samco is just a push fit and jubilee clip.
I currently use the Neuspeed TIP but I've bought a Samco one to try out, mainly for the above reasons (one smooth pipe, reinforced so won't collapse, looks better)
Any thoughts, pros and cons?
THe samco makes the car sound like Darth Vader... ;)
So do the metal ones, in fact some say because the Samco is thick 4/5-ply silicon, it's quieter that the metal/rubber combo. I'll know for sure once my Samco is on! In fact, I'll do vid clips before and after so we can all hear it.
ANDY BLUNT
14-05-2004, 15:04
Fitting samco tip this weekend whilest changing turbo,we shall see then. :cheers: Andy
LEO LION R
14-05-2004, 15:21
The Samco one is beter suited to the KO4 IMHO, as it has smoother bends and you don't need to bolt it directly to the turbo like you did on the KO3 - hence why the Samco one isn't so popular with the KO3 owners.
The Samco one is possibly smoother internally at the various pipe connections, but apart from that not a lot of difference, and i certainly haven't had any feeling of pipe getting deformed - it is still prety solid when warm.
:cheers:
P.S. I'll stand corrected if i'm wrong of the above ;) :cheers:
Shock_Xe
15-05-2004, 09:02
The Samco one is beter suited to the KO4 IMHO, as it has smoother bends and you don't need to bolt it directly to the turbo like you did on the KO3 - hence why the Samco one isn't so popular with the KO3 owners.
The Samco one is possibly smoother internally at the various pipe connections, but apart from that not a lot of difference, and i certainly haven't had any feeling of pipe getting deformed - it is still prety solid when warm.
:cheers:
P.S. I'll stand corrected if i'm wrong of the above ;) :cheers:
Dont make em for ibiza's which is a shame
I was under the impression that the car had 2 Tips? :confused: One that bolts directly to the turbo which is metal hence the neuspeed and abd metal ones. And then the samco silicone TIP which connects to the metal TIP? So there is 2 pipes one metal intermediate one and one samco one?
CupraR-Rog
08-06-2004, 12:25
I was under the impression that the car had 2 Tips? :confused: One that bolts directly to the turbo which is metal hence the neuspeed and abd metal ones. And then the samco silicone TIP which connects to the metal TIP? So there is 2 pipes one metal intermediate one and one samco one?
The only way you can have 2 TIP's is to have 2 turbo's...
...on the LCR, the Samco jobbie is a straight swap for the original corrugated rubber thing with a split in it... or was that just mine??
The only way you can have 2 TIP's is to have 2 turbo's...
...on the LCR, the Samco jobbie is a straight swap for the original corrugated rubber thing with a split in it... or was that just mine??
Does the samco not connect to another metal pipe which then connects to the turbo?
CupraR-Rog
08-06-2004, 13:13
Does the samco not connect to another metal pipe which then connects to the turbo?
Nope - Samco straight onto the turbo.
Cool cool!
How do the metal tips fit then?
On the Cupra, you have a metal intake bolted onto the turbo, then a rubber top half going up to the airflow meter. You can get high flow replacement metal intakes but they still use the OE rubber top half. The Samco TIP replaces the lot just like the LCR, from the turbo to the airflow meter in one smooth larger bore hose.
I'm about to replace my Neuspeed TIP/rubber with the one-piece Samco.
On the Cupra, you have a metal intake bolted onto the turbo, then a rubber top half going up to the airflow meter. You can get high flow replacement metal intakes but they still use the OE rubber top half. The Samco TIP replaces the lot just like the LCR, from the turbo to the airflow meter in one smooth larger bore hose.
I'm about to replace my Neuspeed TIP/rubber with the one-piece Samco.
I understand now. :) Cheers RobDon!
Fancy doing a fitment guide?
CupraR-Rog
08-06-2004, 16:18
Remember though, that the R doesn't have the metal pipe ;)
If you get a Samco TIP, it just fits straight on to the turbo on the R.
I would take some pics to show you, but as you can barely get your hand to that part of the engine at the best of times...
Ap_coupe
08-06-2004, 16:59
so are these not avalible for the ibiza cupra?
not at this time which is a shame as a lot of people have shown an interest give samco or forge an e-mail if we all do you never know.
Ap_coupe
08-06-2004, 22:06
Good idea. Get ur e-mail sent
Given the Samco hose kit group buy already done you might want to strike while the iron's hot so to speak
Shock_Xe
08-06-2004, 22:13
whatch this space for a beeza silicone tip,
Ap_coupe
09-06-2004, 16:34
shock xe any idea on a time?
Shock_Xe
09-06-2004, 21:21
shock xe any idea on a time?
few weeks hopefully
im a bit confused to what turbo has what set up..
what setup does the k03/k03s turbo use? :confused:
Shock_Xe
10-06-2004, 09:15
im a bit confused to what turbo has what set up..
what setup does the k03/k03s turbo use? :confused:
As a Rule of Thumb generally all 150/156bhp cars use the K03 turbos except for Brand new 2002+models which all have K03s
180bhp cars have aq mix of K03/K03s as we saw with Andy's 1.8T 180 A3. It seems that the early 180s have the K03 also but some are pot luck!
Only way to get a K03s guranteed is buy a later model car of chuck one on yerself
Had the same problem when trying to source them, Not as simple as finding a 180bhp car and getting the turbo :(
ANDY BLUNT
10-06-2004, 15:37
Don't worry Mike me and Rog will answer all A&M 's questions,the answer to this last question is that K03/K03S has a aluminium lower half to the tip and a rubber top half on all such equipped cars.Ko3s ali tip is slightly bigger diameter where it joins turbo.Samco tip replaces both parts so no join in the middle, is larger and smoother inside hense better response.KO4 has a ONE piece rubber pipe right to turbo and samco tip replaces this and flows better. :rolleyes: :cheers: Andy(part time A&M adviser) :bleh:
cheers andy. thats nice and simple.
I'll be keen on finding out about the samco tip then, what do you think our chances are - realisticly?
are they hard to fit? actually, i suppose when fitting a ko3s it wont be hard to fit at all as the turbo will be off!
Cheers!
mark
Shock_Xe
10-06-2004, 21:03
cheers andy. thats nice and simple.
I'll be keen on finding out about the samco tip then, what do you think our chances are - realisticly?
are they hard to fit? actually, i suppose when fitting a ko3s it wont be hard to fit at all as the turbo will be off!
Cheers!
mark
realisticly ?? Would say a month... depends if addo gets off his @RSE to sort it!
haha. na, he'll jus go on holiday again
I had the Neuspeed/rubber OE combo TIP replaced today with the one-piece Samco TIP. Initial impressions are positive, car feels slightly better through the rev range, more so at higher revs - looks a heck load better too! Turbo spools just as quick and same noise too - so overall I'm happy with the swap and feel it's a better solution than the metal/rubber - plus I know the Samco won't collapse too!
Scotty_b
23-06-2004, 09:42
Can anyone suggest a place to get these samco hoses from? (im from london) and roughly how much i should expect to pay. i was thinking about replacing all the pipes for samcos, any ideas on cost?
Get them all from Forge, total cost will be around £300.
http://www.forgemotorsport.co.uk/
ANDY BLUNT
26-06-2004, 17:42
For what car Scotty?If its a beeza tip is not available yet .But A&M guys are chasing it aren't you Addo :rolleyes: :cheers: Andy
cupra-neil
26-06-2004, 21:28
realisticly ?? Would say a month... depends if addo gets off his @RSE to sort it!
Mike, any news on the samco tip for the ibiza? i would be very intrested in one if you can get some sorted :thumbup:
Cheers Neil
ANDY BLUNT
26-06-2004, 23:42
Mike on hols at the mo,Addo's turn this time! :bleh: :cheers: Andy
Shock_Xe
29-06-2004, 11:37
Mike on hols at the mo,Addo's turn this time! :bleh: :cheers: Andy
back!
:D
CupraR-Rog
29-06-2004, 16:27
back!
:D
Where's my duty free's???
Shock_Xe
29-06-2004, 16:31
Where's my duty free's???
wernt cheap!
Ap_coupe
01-07-2004, 16:28
any news on this tip yet?
cupra-neil
03-07-2004, 10:47
Same here any news yet?
cupra-neil
06-07-2004, 20:23
Another waiting game :D
Shock_Xe
06-07-2004, 20:43
hahaaa........... Loads of People.....
When theres news trust me it'll be on ere
cupra-neil
06-07-2004, 21:04
hahaaa........... Loads of People.....
When theres news trust me it'll be on ere
Cheers Mike wasnt being funny or anything just went abit quiet on this thread :rolleyes:
Shock_Xe
06-07-2004, 21:09
Cheers Mike wasnt being funny or anything just went abit quiet on this thread :rolleyes:
I know mate.... U All anxious to see it happen, as am i