View Full Version : Specs/prices of MK4 cupra on seat.co.uk
Don't know if this has been posted yet if it has sorry i missed it.
http://www.seat.co.uk/generator/su/uk/ibiza/site/choices/model-CUPRA/main-p.html
my presonal view is SEAT is getting gready.
As the 1.8T cupra at £15,500 is £887 more expensive than the renault cliosport182 and £285 more than a peugeot 206GTI180 also its only £15 cheaper than the leon cupra1.8T!!!
Also the 1.9TDI160 cupra at £16000 is only £15 cheaper than a leon cupra TDI150!!!
:( :( :(
Good find!
£15500 for the 20vT and £16000 for the PD160 seems a lot...TBH I'd rather have the Leon Cupra TDI for the same cost.
Shame it doesn't list any colours, or list any extra special features that my Sport doesn't have.
I was hoping and expecting £1000 less than £15500/£16000 the prices quoted on the site. more like £14500 and £15000 as that would have made more sence to compete with rivals and not conflict with leon prices. :thumbd: :( the TDI cupra ibiza makes the sport and FR look a bargin the leon cupra TDI look cheap and the skoda vRS a steel.
The spec difference and colours im sure will be updated soon as its lanched at the motorshow later this month. So i expect the pages to be updated soon. mind known what SEATuk is like we could be waiting months.
Unless they've stuck them at that price so that customers can haggle down?
£15500 for a MK4 20vT Ibiza when the MK3 was £12995 seems to be a very steep increase!
TBH I'm not a fan of the exterior styling anyway...will probably look better in pictures though :)
Unless they've stuck them at that price so that customers can haggle down?
I think that's a silly policy. You might as well price attractively and stick to the sticker price instead.
Unless they've stuck them at that price so that customers can haggle down?
I cannot see the margins been more for the cupra though and when you can get £800 to £1100 off a new FR TDI, i cannot see getting much more off a cupra.
the ibiza 1.8T cupra i bet will work out even more expensive after discount compared to rivals when you think you can get the pug206GTI180 without much searching from a uk dealer for just over £14000 and a renault clio sport182 for £13300 the SEAT looks very expensive compared to the competition if you think you may get £1000 off the SEAT. :(
SEAT been gready comes to mind
Maybe the prices have been set in Spain without too much thought about exchange rates?
Good find!
Shame it doesn't list any extra special features that my Sport doesn't have.
TDI comes 6 speed box
petrol 5 speed if it helps
Same with my TDI...that has a 6 speed box! :p
Insurance GP 8 ain't bad though
Ant FR Turbo
25-05-2004, 01:51
hey,
i was worried about the cupra, but surely if i get my FR revo'd then it will be quicker than a standard cupra.
Surely if the FR can be bought for nearly 3 grand less and has the same 20v turbo engine, does'nt that make the FR a lot better buy than the Cupra? specially when you look at insurnace costs as well?
Should i hve waited guys?????
cpufreak
25-05-2004, 07:45
I got £800 back from the Tax man yesterday...therefore I feel another modding session coming on...
Can I meet up with someone who has VAGCOM sometime soon please?
I want to measure inlet temperatures of my car after a bit of a ragging...thinking about a FMIC here...and then the miltek.
£16k ibiza Cupra's can bite my shiny metal ass. :p
Is it me or does the price for the Cupra 20V T 180 say TBA? To Be Announced?
Where did you get the price from? :confused:
LOL they've taken the prices off!
I wonder if SEAT UK have read here and thought "maybe this isn't such a good idea..."
Well SEAT if you are reading, don't be so stupid with your prices! You're not Audi!
Big Daddy H
25-05-2004, 08:56
:thumbd:IBIZA CUPRA THE SAME PRICE AS THE LEON CUPRA:thumbd:
Ant FR Turbo
25-05-2004, 12:04
the prices have been put back on there, 15500 for cupra 20v and 16000 for diesel, oh my god 16000, you could have a 12 month old leon cupr r for that, glad i chose the FR.
too bloody expensive is my opinion.
SEAT don't have a name for there self yet really in the general market. were VW can charge a premium SEAT cannot.
Renault and Reugeot have the reputation for hothatches and SEAT has not really cracked that market that well.
Before anyone says well they have been doing it for years GTI,cupra etc i agree but apart from on here they really don't have a reputation that demands a premium price.
A dable in rallying and now BTC and ETC does not count as a proven motorsport rep either. Maybe the extra moneys going to pay plato LOL.
When you think a renault clio 182 sport can be bought for £13K (just found it for less than before) at £15500 the cupra 1.8T ibiza with maybe £500-1100 if you lucky discount on the SEAT makes it far more expensive.
Then if you compare equipment and metallic extra costs etc the SEAT looses again.
The pug is also cheaper and avaliable on 0% finance too.
Even Honda dealers are giving good discounts now so a Civic Type R is only a few hundred away from a cupra 1.8T ibiza and that has a proven record now.
If they had priced the ibiza cupra £1000 less so it was not the same price as a leon cupra and also inline with the clio182, 206GTI180, MINI cooper S then they would have stood a chance but they have priced it too high by about 1K IMHO.
the main clincher is that the leon versions of the cupra with what really are the same engines etc are only £15 more than the ibiza. Theres normally a premium of £500+ for a 5 door over a 3 door so this makes the leon cheaper!!! and also theres normally a premium for a bigger car but in this case it seems to cost more to downsize and get less.
I know the new cupra ibiza is really the cupra R but when you think it shares so much mecanically with the 1.8T FR and also the leon cupra 1.8T theres no excuse for the price at all.
The cupra TDI ibiza is also over priced IMHO its at the same level as a cupra leon TDI and thats just wrong.
Coming from a family thats run VW group cars for over 20 years it looks like i may defect or at least change brands again to maybe skoda. I went from VW to SEAT and now looks like Skoda but maybe even a rival brand.
That's the thing about Seat - it's supposed to appeal to young ppl and be value for money. At those prices it's none of those. IMO Seat has an overall reputation on a par with the French manufacturers and should price accordingly. You can get 53 plate Clio 172s for little over £10k.
The reason I got a Seat was cos you get (kind of) VW group comfort and quality at French prices. IMO, in terms of youth market appeal, the French cars win cos they are more fun to drive styled and marketed better.
you can buy secondhand for that price i agree and imports for about 11K but from a main UK agent i was offered a brand spanking new one for 13K this morning without even trying.
This made me think how expensive the SEAT is. I don't really like french cars BUT they are the segment leaders and have the hot hatch reputation that SEAT need to get.
Pricing there cars above the proven leaders with a high proven reputation for good to drive hot hatches will do SEAT no good at all.
I would not be suprised one bit if SEAT get slated in the press for the prices the same they did with the MK3 ibiza cupra R.
they had just started to get a good rep with the cupra r leon i wonder if the cupra ibiza pricing will undo the good the leon did for seat.
I was sort of expecting the price as they started to get greedy by putting the leon Cupra R up by £1K when they went from 210 to 225 and the cupra also went up by £500.
I thought they did that to slot the ibiza cupra below them but seems not.
then even put the FR TDI up and discontinuned the sport TDI. which now makes the skoda fabia vRS a bargin. SEAT is just getting too gready they don't have VW reputation or audis they cannot charge a premium for there products.
If the new ibiza cupra had been £1000 maybe even £500 less than i would be at my local dealers haggling for a discount today as it is its too expensive for what it is.
Ant FR Turbo
25-05-2004, 21:56
my answer to it is just get the FR,
The FR has all the toys, lower insurance, in both cases petrol and diesel can be revo's nicely.
I have a golf gt tdi 130 at the moment, with a van aaken tuning box set at stage 4, on sunday i got a 16.004 sec qtr mile in it at santa pod. What i am saying is buy the cheaper FR cos you can make it go just as quick as the Cupra for a saving of £3000.
So you all say about the cost of the Cupra, do you all agrea that the FR is a bargain then, considering you get the 18 20v turbo lump????
cpufreak
25-05-2004, 21:59
I think £16K for an Ibiza Cupra TDi /would/ be good value if:
(1) It has brembos
(2) It has FMIC and is a Tweaked PD150, and performed really well with a remap.
(3) It has the SeatSport suspension kit
Why?
Because: brembos, eibach/sachs suspension kit aren't cheap stuff, and (say) if they're talking 210bhp/330lbft post Revo, then its going to be a real pocket rocket, and as such isn't going to really be bought by the same people as the Leon Cupra TDi.
However, if it doesn't have brembos, doesn't have the SeatSport suspension kit, and has a similar ride to Ibiza Sport as standard, and the engine doesn't tune very well, it begins to look overpriced.
One final thing, with the Leon Cupra R's, Seat restricted supply, so as to keep second hand values up, and increase desirability. With the recent rebranding, Cupra now = Fr, and CupraR now = Cupra.
Therefore by pricing the new Cupra high, they're perhaps aiming to keep doing this, and thus raise the public perception of Seat. People will still buy the ibiza Cupras, and by being less arond the 2nd hand price will stay higher.
I believe I'm right in saying when the LCR was first launched people thought that it was expensive. £17,000 20 months ago, sounded a lot for a Seat, but then the press raved about it, people drove it, and lots of people bought it.
It remains to be seen how good the new Ibiza Cupra is, but if Seat has got it right, and I hope for their sake they have, then it'll be an amazing machine, and the rebirth of an icon.
Seat have officially lost the plot! :(
Not only are most of their new cars look like mpv's but their pricing is stupidly high. I first realised that Seat didn't have a clue about pricing when they tried to sell the Mk3 Ibiza Cupra R for £18k, thats £5k more than the normal Cupra.
Also, I noticed something on the tech spec... this HAS to be a mistake... it says that the Ibiza Cupra 20VT weights 1649Kg and the TDi Cupra weighs 1675Kg. I don't think so!
5 speed gearbox too. I was sure it'd have 6 speed.
To be honest I was expecting a lot more and for it to cost a lot less. Pretty much every spec I look at doesn't deliver to my expectations. :thumbd:
I've been a massive Seat fan for the last few years, but I'm pretty sure my next car wont be a Seat. There is nothing in the range (Current or announced) that look interesting in the slightest. :(
Ben
the weights are wrong - i've got the right ones @ home
I'm 99% sure that the box is a 6 speeder too (again - pics at home to back this theory up)
more info on the cupra ibiza ie the new press release by seat.com can be seen at
http://****************/PressClub/eng/contenidos/content.asp?seccion=modelos&paginaID=ibizacupra&Nivel=113
far more detail on there about what it has and does not.
enjoy the read.
lots of pics at
http://****************/PressClub/eng/contenidos/content.asp?seccion=imagenes&paginaID=Modelos/ibiza_cupra&Nivel=1ga4
Geoff
I believe I'm right in saying when the LCR was first launched people thought that it was expensive. £17,000 20 months ago, sounded a lot for a Seat, but then the press raved about it, people drove it, and lots of people bought it.
I bought a 210 in black and i did not think it expensive it was no more expensive than its rivals and cheaper than some.
It was cheaper than a focus RS by £3K it was cheaper than a R32 golf by £5K it was cheaper than an alfa GTA by 5K
when i bought it if i bought a Honda civic type R with aircon it was also more than the cupra R just i picked the leon as it was more refined though. even a vauxhall astra GSI was only the same price.
In the end i got a great deal on a leon cupra R more by luck than anything i paid £15700 for mine and funny it looks like an Ibiza cupra TDI will cost near the same as its replacment :-o As discounts are not as easy to get as they were as SEAT seems to be doing better for itself probably because of good reviews
One final thing, with the Leon Cupra R's, Seat restricted supply, so as to keep second hand values up, and increase desirability. .
but thats not worked secondhand values of cupra R leons are not high i know i sold mine a few months ago. unless you buy from a main agent prices are not high and guide book prices are shockingly low.
on the ibiza cupra
They restric supply so new prices are high so very little discount so people don't buy it they buy the cheaper rivals and save thousands..
If renault can make the clio 182 so cheap and the previous cup and 172 even cheaper with more equipment as standard in a bespoke sport factory why cannot SEAT?
because they use the fabled renault build standards
because they use the fabled renault build standards
and by the standard of my last two SEATs so does SEAT :cheers: :hide:
Coming from a family thats run VW group cars for over 20 years it looks like i may defect or at least change brands again to maybe skoda. I went from VW to SEAT and now looks like Skoda but maybe even a rival brand.
Same here. I've owned VWs for a fair few years. Then went to SEAT with my current car.
If I was to change my car fairly soon, I would be looking at Skoda.
The Fabia vRS would be very tempting & the pricing is spot on compared with other VAG vehicles.
Although I like the look of the Ibiza Cupra TDI, I won't be buying one (from new at least) due to the rather inflated price. I'll wait till the press start reviewing it & see if it's worth owning when it's a couple of years older.
Looks like I made the right choice with my 1.8T FR, then.
I wasn't particularly interested in the cupra anyway, mainly due to the fact that I don't want to be fleeced for the insurance on the petrol version (I'm not a diesel guy, really, and the cupra badge on the petrol would always attract a high premium). The only advantage I thought the petrol Cupra might have over the petrol FR was a six-speed gearbox, but again it's only the diesel that has the extra cog. Even the gear ratios appear to be roughly the same.
As already mentioned, the FR has all the toys, apparently the same seats and interior (bar a few red bits), the same engine, and is only missing some extra chassis/braking/stability electronic trickery and the option of brembos.
Perhaps not a concern for the intended market of this 1.8T Cupra, but there's also the running costs. With that appearance and performance and the cupra badge, the petrol one ain't going to be cheap to insure. And with a larger turbo, I bet it sucks fuel more as well - I average 35mpg in my FR so far (admittedly, I've only just finished running it in, but the way I drive it is mostly limited by the rush hour traffic anyway).
Seems like a win-win for the FR, to me. A car nearly as good as (and in many ways, identical to) the Cupra, for considerably less money and cheaper running costs. :thumbup:
And is it just me, or does the front spoiler on the Cupra make it look as though the car is about to sneeze? Not quite the "get the **** out of my way" look I was expecting, really.
cpufreak
29-05-2004, 10:23
and by the standard of my last two SEATs so does SEAT :cheers: :hide:
I've not heard of any Seats spontaneously combusting....