Superchips [Archive] - SEAT Cupra.net

Tazkenny

21-02-2002, 20:52

I better be carefull what I say here.....but a friend of mine e-mailed Superchips directly asking them a question about their chips and part of the reply was that the max BHP the 20VT Ibiza could produce was 180BHP...this was due to the injectors being maxed out "anything more would require larger injectors"

Now there are plenty of dyno plots on here alone which dispute that... nuff said.

Other than that I've had no other experiance of them, sure its a fine service an all...

Tony_Essex

26-02-2002, 12:40

If you look at the superchips site they show a dyno graph for the 1.8T engine 180BHP before and after for their chip. However the graph is clearly the old version of the engine (different torque characteristics), NOT the AUQ, which you will have fitted in your new Leon. Their chip is therefore developed for the wrong engine, personally I would suggest using someone like jabbasport who put together a chip programme for your particular engine.

Saul

26-02-2002, 13:00

Superchips, hmmm

The words "barge pole" and "wouldnt touch" spring to mind.

POWER

26-02-2002, 18:45

Superchips is the best.
Here in Greece,Superchips`s cars are the fastest among Apr`s,Mtm`s,and other.And not in words,,but in road racingggg.:devil:

psrob

26-02-2002, 22:13

I've had my Leon Cupra Superchipped for several months now. I wanted to go to a local dealer incase of any problems and I got it fitted at Camco 88 Turbo and ECU specialist in Warrington. They were very familiar with the Audi TT 180 and had done many of these conversions when gains of 30bhp to 210bhp are common.

The Superchip for the Audi TT 225 and 180 and thus the Cupra has been recently modified slightly for improved performance so they are updated chips.

I'm well pleased with the results. Power is superb and the car absolutely flies (faster than a Volvo T4 from the lights and can keep up with Audi TT 225's) with no problems at all. The only problem is trying to get the power down especially in the wet.

The chip is totally undetectable to the VAG Com diagnostics as proved in my recent service and the chip is guaranteed for the lifetime of the car. Plus Camco is only 10 mins away if I ever did experience any problem.

Yes the web site is confusing for the Cupra and the customer service people don't seem too clued up on the product. They are more salespeople than engineers but the product is a good one and delivers good reliable results. It just seems everyone likes to tell horror stories ( which there will be occasionally with any chip) and then everbody jumps on the bandwagon verging on near hysteria which has happened on this site sometimes.

You only need to look at the Audi world forums at some of their dyno days and see which chip is always in the top couple for consistently good results.

Try it ( 7 day trial period whereby if you are'nt completely satisfied with the results you can have the chip taken out less fitting charge) and make your own mind up. You wont regret it!

P.s I'd just like to take this opportunity to say I am not on commision for Superchips :D !

PSROB Imperial Blue Superchipped Cupra

Icecavern

27-02-2002, 07:49

I know Mike Smith was pleased with his Superchip in his 1.8 16v and there's a golf T in PVW this month with a Superchip in it and he's happy with it...

I agree mate, it's the cupra.net hysteria setting in again... :p :p

Pete

ibizacupra

27-02-2002, 08:09

Instead labeling comments as hysteria the better consideration would be do they understand intimately the VAG product.
Comments alleged to have been made by them re injectors maxing out on low power outputs would seem to confirm not. NOT the person who made that comment at least.

There are some very reputable VAG specialists who can offer a better product for more or less the same money...
Jabbasport and APR are 2 which spring to mind.

As ever, you pays your money and you takes your choice.

For the observation re TT owners RR results, and the chip of merit, I would think that would be APR from what I have seen.

Bill

Saul

27-02-2002, 09:11

Each to their own, i personally dont like em and the way they operate, not enought research goes into the programs IMO.

Have seen a lot of Fords and Vauxhalls running extrememely rich after a superchip.

Whether they have improved, who knows, but i would prefer to go to a VAG specialist.

My 2p

Oh yeah, and on the Ibiza last time i looked they cant get over 180 BHP.

R&S MOTORSPORTS

27-02-2002, 09:20

JUST TO BE A BIT MORE PRECISE! SUPERCHIPS IN GREECE IS REPRESENTED EXCLUSIVELY BY "R&S MOTORSPORTS LTD" WE HAVE SUPERCHIPPED QUITE A FEW 1.8 20V POWERED CARS HERE SUCCESFULLY!!! WITH EXCELLENT ROAD POWER!!! WE HAVE QUITE A FEW CUSTOMERS HERE WHO HAVE HAD SOME TESTING ON THE ROAD BETWEEN MTM,APR,ETC......ALL THESE COMPANIES HAVE EATEN OUR DUST!!! AND APPARENTLY THE HAVE SEEN MORE HP ON THE DYNO .........???
ONE OF OUR CUSTOMERS WHO HAS QUOTED THAT HE IS VERY HAPPY WITH OUR SUPERCHIP MOD HERE IS "POWER"
WHICH HE AGAIN HAS SEEN MORE POWER ON THE DYNO ........BUT LESS POWER ON THE ROAD!!!!
THATS ALL GUYS! IF ANYBODY HAS SOMETHING ,OR NEEDS SOME ADVISE , FEEL FREE TO COMENT!
THANKS,
N.SPEIS:devil:

Saul

27-02-2002, 09:37

Why does he see more power on the dyno than he does on the road?

R&S MOTORSPORTS

27-02-2002, 10:01

SAUL,
I CANT ASNSWER THAT..........???:(

m0rk

27-02-2002, 10:11

good advert :D tee hee

Icecavern

27-02-2002, 12:19

I think what N.SPEIS meant is that although he had more power it didn't feel greater when driving or felt less powerful when driving it... It depends on the power bands how the car feels to drive. A smoother power/torque curve might make it feel less powerful but in actual fact it's higher..

But that's only what I think he meant...

Pete

POWER

27-02-2002, 12:27

Dear Pete,
my car was 250hp with mtm chip and 235 hp with superchips chip.
On the road the car was 3 cars faster than before.
The best chips are the ones that have power up high and not a sudden increase at 4000-5500 rpms.:cheers:

ibizacupra

27-02-2002, 12:29

Originally posted by CordobaPete
I think what N.SPEIS meant is that although he had more power it didn't feel greater when driving or felt less powerful when driving it... It depends on the power bands how the car feels to drive. A smoother power/torque curve might make it feel less powerful but in actual fact it's higher..

But that's only what I think he meant...

Pete

I think you hit the nail on the head.
My existing Oettinger conversion feels faster than the APR one, BUT only because it comes in a huge rush with its overboost. The butt dyno is deceived, as a comparison between the power runs duration (with the same load over the same time) had the APR acceleration over a second faster than the Oettinger one.

Maybe the Superchips torque delivery is akin to Oettingers perhaps... with a large low rpm surge and subsequent tail off.
Bill

m0rk

27-02-2002, 12:58

I think you mean low down? low down torque?

damn language barrier.

Originally posted by POWER
The best chips are the ones that have power up high and not a sudden increase at 4000-5500 rpms.:cheers:

psrob

27-02-2002, 14:39

Bill,

Like I said, I think that it is the sales staff at Superchips who are the problem. They are the ones who are not clued up on the product but the technical side of the chip and the research is sound.

I think they have a good enough understanding of the VAG 1.8T engine as this is a big market for them in Europe and the USA where Superchips is now the market leader.

I think the dyno results speak for themselves. Yes, APR is a good chip, I have never said it wasn't, but Superchips is also a good chip up there with it and it does'nt deserve bad rap from people who have'nt experienced the product themselves .

PSROB - Imperial Blue Superchipped Leon Cupra

Russell_Hayward

27-02-2002, 15:40

Superchip is mapped in theory to 1.1 bar peak, and 1 bar held for the Ibiza 20VT.

I have driven a car with this conversion .

The torque response seems very linear and useable power is maintaned up to the redline.

Fuelling is perfectly Ok and there is no sign of det.

The car I have driven has done nearly 20,000 miles with this chip installed without any problem whatsoever.

Come to your own conclusions !

ps The car was set up on the road, not on the rollers. After all, does a rolling road simulate real world conditions ?

ibizacupra

27-02-2002, 15:42

Originally posted by psrob
Bill,

Like I said, I think that it is the sales staff at Superchips who are the problem. They are the ones who are not clued up on the product but the technical side of the chip and the research is sound.

I think they have a good enough understanding of the VAG 1.8T engine as this is a big market for them in Europe and the USA where Superchips is now the market leader.

I think the dyno results speak for themselves. Yes, APR is a good chip, I have never said it wasn't, but Superchips is also a good chip up there with it and it does'nt deserve bad rap from people who have'nt experienced the product themselves .

PSROB - Imperial Blue Superchipped Leon Cupra

I totally agree about a rep that possibly is'nt deserved, made by people without 1st hand experience.
I would tend to be more comfortable with a company that specialises in the VAG range personally, but that is my own preference. Hey I bought Oettinger, a reputable VAG name for many years, and look at the fun I have enjoyed so far:D Kind of blows that specialist VAG thing out of the water in some respects.

What definately seems to differentiate the products is more customer service, technical understanding and after sales support (if needed)
Pretty much mostr of the products will get you in the same ball park power wise ~200bhp ish, and to get significantly beyond this major mechanical components need to be changed.
Its a minefield out there though is'nt it.

regards
Bill

R&S MOTORSPORTS

27-02-2002, 16:22

Originally posted by ibizacupra

I think you hit the nail on the head.
My existing Oettinger conversion feels faster than the APR one, BUT only because it comes in a huge rush with its overboost. The butt dyno is deceived, as a comparison between the power runs duration (with the same load over the same time) had the APR acceleration over a second faster than the Oettinger one.

Maybe the Superchips torque delivery is akin to Oettingers perhaps... with a large low rpm surge and subsequent tail off.
Bill we just superchipped a car for a customer of mine with an ibiza 1.8t 156hp cupra!
we dynoed the car and got 208hp with 33kg of torque!!!! awsome power!!! and on the road!!! we blew the doors off an mtm with 210 hp?!?!?!?
i dont know what to say there guys...........!!!
i dont want to say that mtm,apr,etc.....are bad tuning firms!!! were just better(superchips" ) that is!!!
NICK SPEIS...........:cheers:

Saul

27-02-2002, 17:08

Nick

Fair play, im not trying to start an arguement, im just going off my experiences of a few years ago with superchipped cars that put me off.

BUT look at the graphs on the superchips UK site , they are listed to 180BHP.

Nice one with the 210BHP tho, probably the highest from an Ibiza

:cheers:

RTV

27-02-2002, 17:25

Looking at the Superchips web-site, the Seat Leon 1.8T shows dyno graph for a Skoda Octavia with reults as follows

Before: 179BHP
After: 190BHP

Either there has been a mix up or this has to be the least powerful upgrade on the market, £350 + vat and fitting for
only 11BHP.

Think I'll go down the Jabbasport route !

m0rk

27-02-2002, 19:11

No - I think Bill gets that prize for bhp/£ or is it best measures in £/bhp?? only for some of his results.

Mind you Z measured a 1bhp increase once.

lol

ZBOYD

27-02-2002, 20:14

1.5bhp get it right please ;)

R&S MOTORSPORTS

28-02-2002, 07:44

Originally posted by R&S MOTORSPORTS
we just superchipped a car for a customer of mine with an ibiza 1.8t 156hp cupra!
we dynoed the car and got 208hp with 33kg of torque!!!! awsome power!!! and on the road!!! we blew the doors off an mtm with 210 hp?!?!?!?
i dont know what to say there guys...........!!!
i dont want to say that mtm,apr,etc.....are bad tuning firms!!! were just better(superchips" ) that is!!!
NICK SPEIS...........:cheers:
SAUL,
NOT TO ARGUE WITH YOU EITHER!! BUT THE GRAPHS IN THE SUPERCHIPS SITE ARE IN AVERAGE OF 180 BHP!!
MODS CAN BE MADE FROM US........TO GET PEAK POWER ON THESE CARS !!!
BUT ANYWAY.......THANKS FOR THE CHAT!
NICK
PS......IF YOURE INTERESTED WE CAN MODIFY YOURE ECU????
HAHAHA............

m0rk

28-02-2002, 13:05

aha - so it's not just the chip?

what else do you replace? turbo? K04?

Originally posted by R&S MOTORSPORTS

SAUL,
NOT TO ARGUE WITH YOU EITHER!! BUT THE GRAPHS IN THE SUPERCHIPS SITE ARE IN AVERAGE OF 180 BHP!!
MODS CAN BE MADE FROM US........TO GET PEAK POWER ON THESE CARS !!!
BUT ANYWAY.......THANKS FOR THE CHAT!
NICK
PS......IF YOURE INTERESTED WE CAN MODIFY YOURE ECU????
HAHAHA............

POWER

28-02-2002, 14:39

Mark,
the specific car has only a chip,de-cat,and the final silence at the excaust....nothing else.

ibizacupra

28-02-2002, 17:03

Originally posted by POWER
Mark,
the specific car has only a chip,de-cat,and the final silence at the excaust....nothing else.
De-cat.
Significant change and illegal in the UK.
Spot checks in the UK may cost ££ in fines.

I can quite believe a de-cat'd higher boost Ibiza yields a reasonable power gain.
Downpipe and integral cat are quite small in diameter, relative to the airflow through them on full boost high rpms.

Bill

psrob

02-03-2002, 19:13

Totally agree Bill, it is a minefield out there!
Just to go back to the customer service thing I contacted an internet supplier of K & N air filters the other day with a view to purchasing one on-line. I filled in all the details for the query form stressing my car was a Leon Cupra with 180bhp( well originally) and I was e-mailed back with details about the induction kit for the Ibiza Cupra!!
I don't know where they get the staff!!

To RTV: I asked Camco 88 about the graph on the web site when I got my conversion done. They told me not to take it too seriously for a number of reasons. This is what they told me:

1. The power curve flattens out prematurly most probably due to the engine that was chipped was probably fairly new and tight - something that the vag 1.8 engine is known for.
2. The torque would be relatively uneffected by the engine being new hence it up to a whopping 249lb/ft- only 9lb/ft less than a Porsche 911 Carrera and 24lb/ft more than a Boxster S!
3. An indication of the potential power to come once the engine is loosened up can be seen on the graph at 3302 rpm - a gain of nearly 40bhp!
4. Most Audi TT 180's (same engine) they have done gain a peak power of between 200bhp and 208bhp

I can't believe Superchips used this particular car as an illustration though. Talk about confusing things and selling yourself short!

Its enough to put people off or something !!

Thankfully it has'nt effected anyone using this site though :D

PAUL
Imperial blue Superchipped Cupra

Icecavern

04-03-2002, 07:50

Also a lot has been made about the website stating 180bhp etc. etc. Well people take a look at APR's Advert they put in PVW/The Golf....

It says, in a big table smack bang in the middle of the ad, that the Golf/Bora/Beetle/Leon/Ibiza 1.8T's all produce 150 bhp as standard. After chipping it says they all produce 207bhp appart from the Ibiza that only manages 193... It also gives 245lb/ft of torque for the 3 VW's and 240lb/ft for the two Seats...

So erronious outputs are printed by more than just one tuner...

Pete

R&S MOTORSPORTS

05-03-2002, 08:15

HEY GUYS! COME ON IT SHOULDT HURT WHEN I IBIZA CUPRA WITH 210!! BLOWS THE DOORS OFF AN APR MODIFIED GOLF 4 WITH 290HP!!! OR EVEN A LEON WITH 220 HP!!! THE GENTLEMEN HERE WHO APPRENTLY IMPORTS THE APR TUNING CHIPS THOUGHT THAT HE IS JUST GOING TO COME IN THE GREEK MARKET AND STOMP ON ALL THE REST OF THE CHIP TUNING MARKET.........HEY THAT JUST DOSNT HAPPEN OVER NITE!! BY JUST MODIFYING A COUPLE OF CARS THAT ARE FAST!!! BUT TOO BAD BECAUSE WERE FFFAASSSTTEERRRRRRRR!!!!
WEVE BEEN MODIFYING CARS HERE IN GREECE FOR 12 YEARS.......SUPERCHIPPED CARS FOR THE TIME BEING ARE F@#$%%ÎNG FAST!!!!! WHO KNOWS MAYBE SOMEDAY THAT WILL CHANGE, YOU NEVER KNOW!!!
NO HARD FEELINGS!!!
KEEP THE PEDAL TO METAL!!!
REGARDS,
R&S MOTORSPORTS LTD.:devil: :rockon: :hammer:

ibizacupra

05-03-2002, 08:21

Originally posted by R&S MOTORSPORTS
HEY GUYS! COME ON IT SHOULDT HURT WHEN I IBIZA CUPRA WITH 210!! BLOWS THE DOORS OFF AN APR MODIFIED GOLF 4 WITH 290HP!!! OR EVEN A LEON WITH 220 HP!!! THE GENTLEMEN HERE WHO APPRENTLY IMPORTS THE APR TUNING CHIPS THOUGHT THAT HE IS JUST GOING TO COME IN THE GREEK MARKET AND STOMP ON ALL THE REST OF THE CHIP TUNING MARKET.........HEY THAT JUST DOSNT HAPPEN OVER NITE!! BY JUST MODIFYING A COUPLE OF CARS THAT ARE FAST!!! BUT TOO BAD BECAUSE WERE FFFAASSSTTEERRRRRRRR!!!!
WEVE BEEN MODIFYING CARS HERE IN GREECE FOR 12 YEARS.......SUPERCHIPPED CARS FOR THE TIME BEING ARE F@#$%%ÎNG FAST!!!!! WHO KNOWS MAYBE SOMEDAY THAT WILL CHANGE, YOU NEVER KNOW!!!
NO HARD FEELINGS!!!
KEEP THE PEDAL TO METAL!!!
REGARDS,
R&S MOTORSPORTS LTD.:devil: :rockon: :hammer:

Power to weight has a lot to do with on the road/track performance as does the driver. I proved that to RSD last year at Combe as when m,y "210" COUGH ("188" actually) Ibiza caught and past RSD'd "240" Golf 4 with Professional driver at the Golfs wheel.

So long as you enjoy what the hell eh?
APR's switchable gizmos and cruise control fitment might well help sway some people more than others.

Enjoy.
Bill
:)

johnsfb

10-03-2002, 12:51

First hand experience????
I originally had a superchip installed in my Leon Cupra as I have mentioned before in these forums, and changed to APR.
Even after losing the money I spent on the Superchip, I would do it again for the performance gained with APR.
Just my 2p worth.

John

psrob

10-03-2002, 17:11

Originally posted by johnsfb
First hand experience????
I originally had a superchip installed in my Leon Cupra as I have mentioned before in these forums, and changed to APR.
Even after losing the money I spent on the Superchip, I would do it again for the performance gained with APR.
Just my 2p worth.

John

All I can say is you must have had your superchip installed pre october 2001 when the chip program for this engine was changed.

R&S MOTORSPORTS

11-03-2002, 10:32

Originally posted by psrob

All I can say is you must have had your superchip installed pre october 2001 when the chip program for this engine was changed. :hammer: :rockon: IN RESPONSE TO YOUR CUPRA WHO HAD A SUPERCHIP AND CHANGED IT FOR AN.....APR???
COME ON , ATLEAST IN GREECE AGAIN WITH A LEON WHICH WAS DYNOED AT 230 HP AND OUR TT IS WITH 240HP WE BLEW THE DOORS OFF IT WITH 2-3 CAR LEGHTHS!!!! WELL, WHAT CAN I SAY??? I GUESS APR JUST SELLS A GOOD CHIP SWAP ......AND THATS ALL!!!
SORRY TO BREAK YOUR HEART! BUT APR'S CHIPS ARE TERRIBLE AS FAR AS IM CONCERNED!!! THERE HASNT BEEN AN APR CHIPPED CAR THAT HAS DONE ANYTHING AS FAR AS WERE CONCERNED HERE TO IMPRESS US!!
AGAIN THE OL' SLOGAN......I GUESS WERE JUST DAMN GOOD AT WE WHE CHIP!!!
SUPERCHIPPED CRAS KICK ASSSSSSSSS!!!!
TAKE CARE!
N.S.
:D :D

ibizacupra

11-03-2002, 10:48

Originally posted by R&S MOTORSPORTS
:hammer: :rockon: IN RESPONSE TO YOUR CUPRA WHO HAD A SUPERCHIP AND CHANGED IT FOR AN.....APR???
COME ON , ATLEAST IN GREECE AGAIN WITH A LEON WHICH WAS DYNOED AT 230 HP AND OUR TT IS WITH 240HP WE BLEW THE DOORS OFF IT WITH 2-3 CAR LEGHTHS!!!! WELL, WHAT CAN I SAY??? I GUESS APR JUST SELLS A GOOD CHIP SWAP ......AND THATS ALL!!!
SORRY TO BREAK YOUR HEART! BUT APR'S CHIPS ARE TERRIBLE AS FAR AS IM CONCERNED!!! THERE HASNT BEEN AN APR CHIPPED CAR THAT HAS DONE ANYTHING AS FAR AS WERE CONCERNED HERE TO IMPRESS US!!
AGAIN THE OL' SLOGAN......I GUESS WERE JUST DAMN GOOD AT WE WHE CHIP!!!
SUPERCHIPPED CRAS KICK ASSSSSSSSS!!!!
TAKE CARE!
N.S.
:D :D

I'll give you 10/10 for self belief :D
Understatement is'nt in your vacabulary is it? :)

Bill

ZBOYD

11-03-2002, 10:51

*sarcasm mode*

Dont know about you guys, but that profoundly informed post, has convinced me i shouldn't of got an APR chip :D

muppet :D :D

R&S MOTORSPORTS

11-03-2002, 12:52

:repuke: BILL.......ARE YOU THE EDITOR OF THIS SITE? OR ARE YOU A DEALER ATTACHED WITH APR??
TRY TO BE A BIT MORE NEUTRAL! IM NOT TRING TO CUT YOU DOWN OR APR......!!! WERE JUST KILLING TIME!!
OH! AND IS THERE SOMETHING WRONG WITH MY FRENCH?!?!LISTEN BILL, TO TO LOOSTEN UP A BIT, AS I SAID EARLIER I THINK WE ARE ALL HERE TO SHOOT THE BREEZE AND SHARE OUR EXPERINCES , RIGHT? SO I THINK WE ALL HAVE OUR OWN OPINIONS ON DIFFRENT PRODUCTS IN THE TUNING MARKET! WHATS GREAT TO YOUR STANDARDS .......COULD BE JUNK TO ME AND VISE-VERSA!!
SO ILL CLOSE THIS LETTER AND SAY "NO HARD FEELINGS"
ILL BE IN TOUCH WITH THIS FORUM FOR OUR GOSSIP, ETC!
TAKE CARE!!!:cheers:
R&S MOTORSPORTS LTD

m0rk

11-03-2002, 13:03

Can you chip my Ibiza? I think it will blow the doors off anything.

What if i bring it to you? you seem to be so well informed

R&S MOTORSPORTS

11-03-2002, 15:04

:fart: :fart: MR.MARKP...BY THE WAY WHATS THE "P"
STAND FOR?? PASS ON YOUR SARCASM TO SOMEOTHER GUY SIR!!
TRY APR.......!!
IF YOUR REFERING THIS TO MY REPLY TO MARK?
AS FAR AS CHIPPING ......I THINK YOU HAVE A WIDE RANGE OF TUNING FIRMS IN THE U.K.! IM TOO EXPENSIVE FOR YOU MARKP.
AND AS FAR AS BEING INFORMED! MUCH BETTER THAN WHAT YOUR GETTING FROM THIS STUFF!!!
AND LAST BUT NOT LEAST...BLOWING THE DOORS OFF.....YOUR TOO QUICK TO BEGIN WITH MARKP.
N.S.:rockon:

ibizacupra

11-03-2002, 19:54

Originally posted by R&S MOTORSPORTS
:repuke: BILL.......ARE YOU THE EDITOR OF THIS SITE? OR ARE YOU A DEALER ATTACHED WITH APR??
TRY TO BE A BIT MORE NEUTRAL! IM NOT TRING TO CUT YOU DOWN OR APR......!!! WERE JUST KILLING TIME!!
OH! AND IS THERE SOMETHING WRONG WITH MY FRENCH?!?!LISTEN BILL, TO TO LOOSTEN UP A BIT, AS I SAID EARLIER I THINK WE ARE ALL HERE TO SHOOT THE BREEZE AND SHARE OUR EXPERINCES , RIGHT? SO I THINK WE ALL HAVE OUR OWN OPINIONS ON DIFFRENT PRODUCTS IN THE TUNING MARKET! WHATS GREAT TO YOUR STANDARDS .......COULD BE JUNK TO ME AND VISE-VERSA!!
SO ILL CLOSE THIS LETTER AND SAY "NO HARD FEELINGS"
ILL BE IN TOUCH WITH THIS FORUM FOR OUR GOSSIP, ETC!
TAKE CARE!!!:cheers:
R&S MOTORSPORTS LTD

Hey chap - chill my friend.
You do come across a bit strong is the point I was trying to put across... I failed I guess to do that.. Oops. Language barrier perhaps..
I am not an editor or anything other than a regular contributor here, same as anyone else.

I do like the APR product here, but do not run it myself, although I have run it. As for cars leaving other cars behind in actual performance on the road, I do that all the time. It is good fun, especially on track days etc.

I am glad you get on so well with Superchips, but in the UK they do not have the same following in VAG circles it seems.

There are no hard feelings at all. No worries there.

As for tuning, I do this myself supplying throttle body systems and mappable ECU's where I do the mapping, so I do know some stuff 1st hand.

take care and enjoy.
regards
Bill

BenS1

11-03-2002, 21:21

OOOO, LOOKS LIKE i'VE BEEN MISSING AN INTERLECTUAL DEBATE!
;)

Just to add my 2p worth... I have had a Superchip in the past and it was as bigger waste of money as an induction kit to a deaf person!

Sorry but if Superchips understate the power of their conversion on there website then they are just plain stupid! I mean, they must of spent a significant time developing the mapping for the Seat ECUs and must of done many dyno runs, so why put a crap one on their site? Or did hey just spend an hour or so messing with the first Seat they could get their hands on and just post the results from that.

What power output have you seen with JUST a superchip without removing the CAT or any other mods?

R&S MOTORSPORTS

12-03-2002, 07:45

:repuke: MR.BENS1,
LISTEN FIRST OF ALL YOU DONT JUST GO TO THE SUPERMARKET AND BUY A CHIP MAN!! EACH CAR NEEDS A SPECIFIC FILE FOR THE SPECIFIC ECU # THAT IT CARRIES!! SECONDLY SUPERCHIPS PUTS ON THERE SITE THE AVERAGE POWER GAINS NOT ALL THAT "CRAP" AS YOU CALL JACKASS HORSE POWER LIKE 50-60 HP GAIN FIGURES, AND YOUR CAR COULD BE ON OF THAT ECU # THAT YOU CANT GET LOTS OF POWER ON!!! I THINK BILL
WHO HAS THE EXPERIENCE THAT I CARRY MYSELF CAN ADD TO THIS ALSO..............CHIP CONVERSIONS HERE IN GREECE WITH YES! SUPERCHIPS!! KICK SOME F@#ING
ASS AS I HAVE EXPRESSED IN THE PAST! WITH JUST A CHIP CHANGE WE CAN GURANTEE U +35BHP!!!!
SO MAYBE THE GUY WHO PROMISED YOU A SUPERCHIP IN YOUR CAR ........MAYBE WAS A BOGUS SUPERCHIP AND MAYBE AN APR CHIP?!?!HAHAHAHA!!! JUST JOKING!
BUT MAYBE IT WASNT A SUPERCHIP AND SOMETHING OF HIS OWN??? CHECK THAT OUT BENS1.......
AND AGAIN WE ALL HAVE OPINIONS RIGHT! N.S\GREECE
THAT WHAT THIS FORUM IS ALL ABOUT.......
TAKE CARE!:cheers:

ibizacupra

12-03-2002, 08:10

Originally posted by R&S MOTORSPORTS
:repuke: MR.BENS1,
LISTEN FIRST OF ALL YOU DONT JUST GO TO THE SUPERMARKET AND BUY A CHIP MAN!! EACH CAR NEEDS A SPECIFIC FILE FOR THE SPECIFIC ECU # THAT IT CARRIES!! SECONDLY SUPERCHIPS PUTS ON THERE SITE THE AVERAGE POWER GAINS NOT ALL THAT "CRAP" AS YOU CALL JACKASS HORSE POWER LIKE 50-60 HP GAIN FIGURES, AND YOUR CAR COULD BE ON OF THAT ECU # THAT YOU CANT GET LOTS OF POWER ON!!! I THINK BILL
WHO HAS THE EXPERIENCE THAT I CARRY MYSELF CAN ADD TO THIS ALSO..............CHIP CONVERSIONS HERE IN GREECE WITH YES! SUPERCHIPS!! KICK SOME F@#ING
ASS AS I HAVE EXPRESSED IN THE PAST! WITH JUST A CHIP CHANGE WE CAN GURANTEE U +35BHP!!!!
SO MAYBE THE GUY WHO PROMISED YOU A SUPERCHIP IN YOUR CAR ........MAYBE WAS A BOGUS SUPERCHIP AND MAYBE AN APR CHIP?!?!HAHAHAHA!!! JUST JOKING!
BUT MAYBE IT WASNT A SUPERCHIP AND SOMETHING OF HIS OWN??? CHECK THAT OUT BENS1.......
AND AGAIN WE ALL HAVE OPINIONS RIGHT! N.S\GREECE
THAT WHAT THIS FORUM IS ALL ABOUT.......
TAKE CARE!:cheers:

Do you do the mapping yourselves in Greece? or does the UK outfit supply the software to blow into the ECU's?
Just wondering?

Bill

R&S MOTORSPORTS

12-03-2002, 09:46

BILL,
YES WE ASK FOR OUR SPECIFIC MAPS THAT WE USE ,
WE HAVE FOUND SOME STRANGE CHANGES THAT IM SURE DIFFER FROM THE STANDARSD FILE THAT SUPECHIPS
USES IN THE UK, THAT BECAUSE WE HAVE DIFFRENT CLIMATES AND TEMP'S HERE.
ANYTIME I CAN HELP, GIVE ME A HAULER!
THANKS ,
NICK S.:cool:

m0rk

12-03-2002, 12:58

HAHAH

so are you actually anything to do with superchips in the UK?

/me see's good customer advertising here.

R&S MOTORSPORTS

12-03-2002, 14:12

MARK,
YES! I REPRESENT THEM EXCLUSIVELY IN GREECE!
AND THEY ARE ACTUALLY VERY GOOD, IVE SEEN THERE WORK NOW FOR THE PAST 12 YEARS BEING WITH THEM.
WHAT EXCACTLY DO YOU DO IN THE "CHIPPING" MARKET?
U MENTIONED SOMETHING ABOUT AN ECU THAT YOU ADAPT TO THE CAR.......OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT??
NICK:cool:

m0rk

12-03-2002, 14:34

I don't do anything wrt chipping.

I'm just amazed by your arrogance. I can't beleive that Superchips (UK) know that you publically slag off other products. it's not the done thing.

You're not doing well to publicise you, or your suppliers product. so quit with the insults & loose the CAPS LOCK!

R&S MOTORSPORTS

12-03-2002, 15:09

MARKP.......OR SORRY JUDGE MARKP!
WHAT ARE YOU ?? THE ATTORNEY OR THE DADDY WHOS GOING TO SLAP US ON THE HAND?? WE (I ) AM FREE TO EXPRESS ANYTHING I WISH!!!! THATS WHAT A FORUM IS ALL ABOUT! AND AS FAR AS BEING A SUPPLIER OF A PRODUCT , HELL! IF I HAVE AN OPINION ABOUT A PRODUCT .....I DAMN WELL EXPRESS IT SIR!
SO KEEP IT SLIM WITH THE STATIC DUDE!
OH! AND BUT THE WAY.......I PREFER WRITING IN CAPS
DOES THAT BOTHER YOU ALSO!
ANYTHING THAT DISTRACTS YOUR ATTENTION..FEEL FREE TO EXPRESS IT SIR!!
I UNDERSTAND YOUR THE ....WOW!!! HOT DOG OF THIS FORUM OR SOMETHING??? CHILL OUT DUDE.....LIFES TOO SHORT!!! OR ???
:devil: :hammer:
ANYTHING ELSE??

CARL BRIGHTON

12-03-2002, 15:25

Bloody hell!!!

Whats been going on in here????
:eek:

thurz fightin in them thar hills!!

R&S MOTORSPORTS

12-03-2002, 15:35

GUYS,
WHY ARE SOME PEOPLE ITCHY TO ARGUE THAT EASY??
IM NOT IN THIS FORUM TO RAISE THE BLLOD PRESSURES!!! ALL I WANT TO DO IS CHAT IN THE FORUM.....BUT OTHER PEOPLE WANT TO INSULT US!!
LETS BE A BIT MORE PROFFESIONAL.....IM NOT A KID!
SO LETS BE A BIT MORE FREINDLY......IS THAT OK WITH ALL???
I THINK IM A PRETTY DESCENT GUY...!!
BILL NO HARD FELLINGS....IS THAT ALRIGHT!!
WE DONT WANT TO BLOW THAT HEAD GASKET!!! BECAUSE WERE RAISING THAT BOOST HIGH????!!!
BY THE WAY BILL......I NOTICED YOUR IN THE ELECTRONICS INDUSTRY? IS THERE ANYTHING THAT YOU COULD HELP OUT WITH OUR MARKET IN GREECE??
THATS IF YOU LIKE?
AND LETS BE A BIT MORE LOGIC........NO ARGUMENTS , HA!
THATS ALL FROM ME!
PUT THE PEDAL TO THE METAL!
:cheers:

CupraSi

12-03-2002, 15:55

I think that Mark Phelps is more of a McDonalds McChicken Burger than a hot dog, I ain't sure tho :D :D

Take off the caps though we already have a resident CAPS person and its Carl, so dont try and steal his thunder!

I know that my g/f is Half Greek and she says your an embaressment to your country!

Ta raa!

Si

R&S MOTORSPORTS

12-03-2002, 16:04

YOUR G\F KNOWS ME??
OH.......BY THE WAY IM NOT GREEK!! IM AN AMERICAN!
SO ANYHOW........I DONT MEAN TO STEAL ANYTHING FROM CARL........I DONT EVEN KNOW THE GUY??
TALKING ABOUT MICKEY D'S........I THINKS THATS A GOOD IDEA! IM GONNA TAKE OFF AND GRAB A BURGER.
CHEERS:cool:

CARL BRIGHTON

12-03-2002, 16:10

Take off the caps though we already have a resident CAPS person and its Carl, so dont try and steal his thunder!

I STOPPED THAT AGES AGO

....oops

lol;)

m0rk

12-03-2002, 17:02

i love a good discussion

the daddy? hot dog? you're as american as fish fingers.

you work as close to the electronics industry as i do to art.

ibizacupra

12-03-2002, 18:48

Originally posted by R&S MOTORSPORTS

BILL NO HARD FELLINGS....IS THAT ALRIGHT!!
WE DONT WANT TO BLOW THAT HEAD GASKET!!! BECAUSE WERE RAISING THAT BOOST HIGH????!!!
BY THE WAY BILL......I NOTICED YOUR IN THE ELECTRONICS INDUSTRY? IS THERE ANYTHING THAT YOU COULD HELP OUT WITH OUR MARKET IN GREECE??
THATS IF YOU LIKE?
AND LETS BE A BIT MORE LOGIC........NO ARGUMENTS , HA!
THATS ALL FROM ME!
PUT THE PEDAL TO THE METAL!
:cheers:

No hard feelings at all my friend.. :)

I have a company Badger5 Ltd, which has developed a direct to head mounting Throttle Body system for the 16v VW/Seat engine.
We sell conversionskits including fully mappable ECU, loom sensors, coil pack etc, Worldwide.

We have had a few enquiries from Greece from memory for Seat Rally cars.

Have a browse round our website (url below) to see the DTH VW products plus other conventional throttle body products also.

We have a local customer on here, RobT, who has recently fitted our t'bodies and has achieved very good power results.. 217bhp from memory and 180lb/ft torque, from 2ltr 16v normally aspirated.

If this is of interest, please pass on our info and website address.
regards
Bill
:)

BenS1

12-03-2002, 23:07

Originally posted by R&S MOTORSPORTS
YOUR G\F KNOWS ME??
OH.......BY THE WAY IM NOT GREEK!! IM AN AMERICAN!
SO ANYHOW........I DONT MEAN TO STEAL ANYTHING FROM CARL........I DONT EVEN KNOW THE GUY??
TALKING ABOUT MICKEY D'S........I THINKS THATS A GOOD IDEA! IM GONNA TAKE OFF AND GRAB A BURGER.
CHEERS:cool:

American my arse! ;)
Sorry, no insult intended but your English isn't exactly 100%.

The chip i used was from an official Superchip dealer (Motorvation in Dorking), and they do not do any mapping themselves, they simply put the correct file onto a chip and replace the one already in the car. Anyway, that was on a different car.

Ben

Ben

R&S MOTORSPORTS

13-03-2002, 07:47

BILL,
THANKS FOR THE INSIGHT ON THE BUISNESS YOUR INVOLVED WITH! ITS DEFINETLY SOMETHING THAT IS OF INTEREST TO ME HERE IN GREECE, ILL CHECK OUT THE SITE AND COME IN CONTACT WITH YOU DIRECTLY, I THINK YOU DO HAVE AN EMAIL (PERSONAL) ONE THAT I CAN REACH U ON RIGHT?
IT SEEMS THAT YOURE THE ONLY LOGICAL GUY I FOUND ON THIS CUPRA FORUM! ITS BEEN NICE CHATTING WITH YOU! ILL BE IN TOUCH...........
:)

NOW BACK TO THAT BOZO BILL WHAT EVER !! I DONT KNOW ABOUT YOUR ASS DUDE!!! BUT MINES MADE IN USA....BUT IT SEEMS THAT ALL YOU GUYS EXCLUDING BILL.......ARE OUT TO INSAULT,ARGUE AND LOOKING TO PICK A BATTLE..........SO TAKE CARE GUYS !
ITS BEEN A BASH!
NICK
AND TAKE CARE OF THAT GREEK G\F OF YOURS!! IM SUPRISED.....AH SKIP IT! AINT WORTH THE TIME MAN!
:hammer:

ibizacupra

13-03-2002, 08:32

Originally posted by R&S MOTORSPORTS

NOW BACK TO THAT BOZO BILL WHAT EVER !! I DONT KNOW ABOUT YOUR ASS DUDE!!! BUT MINES MADE IN USA....BUT IT SEEMS THAT ALL YOU GUYS EXCLUDING BILL.......ARE OUT TO INSAULT,ARGUE AND LOOKING TO PICK A BATTLE..........SO TAKE CARE GUYS !
ITS BEEN A BASH!
NICK
AND TAKE CARE OF THAT GREEK G\F OF YOURS!! IM SUPRISED.....AH SKIP IT! AINT WORTH THE TIME MAN!
:hammer:

Erm Hmm

Bozo Bill? :D
Are you sure you meant to type that :)

Bill

R&S MOTORSPORTS

13-03-2002, 08:48

BILL BUD!!
SORRY YOUR RIGHT, JUST GOT A BIT INVOLVED IN THAT WRITING!!
ITS BOZO BEN..........
MY MISTAKE!!
BY THE WAY CAN YOU SEND ME A CATALOG OF YOUR PRODUCTS THAT BADGER5 DEALS WITH PLEASE??
THANKS AGAIN!!
KEEP IN TOUCH........
NICK:cheers:

ibizacupra

13-03-2002, 10:47

Originally posted by R&S MOTORSPORTS
BILL BUD!!
SORRY YOUR RIGHT, JUST GOT A BIT INVOLVED IN THAT WRITING!!
ITS BOZO BEN..........
MY MISTAKE!!
BY THE WAY CAN YOU SEND ME A CATALOG OF YOUR PRODUCTS THAT BADGER5 DEALS WITH PLEASE??
THANKS AGAIN!!
KEEP IN TOUCH........
NICK:cheers:
my email is bill@badger5.co.uk if you want to contact me off line.Give me an email so I can send you the info etc.
regards
Bill

Toonman

13-03-2002, 10:53

I think you'll find quite a few, and you won't have to look too far either...

Why so angry? I thought Greeks were nice, happy people. Nikos Dabizas is a smashing guy and very cool and relaxed off field.

My experience with Superchips was a bad one. All three ECUs failed, including one that went "off" on the RR during setup. However, even when the dealer pronounced himself happy with it, there was no increase in power or driveability, but a huge increase in fuel consumption. Customer service from the parent Company was poor. Never again...

R&S MOTORSPORTS

13-03-2002, 11:43

WHAT KIND OF CAR WAS THIS? AND AGAIN AS I MENTIONED IN MY LAST POST.......IM NOT A GREEK!
IM BASED IN GREECE WITH GREEK ROOTS.....AND I THINK IM A PRETTY EASY GOING GUY TOO.....BUT SOME PEOPLE RATTLE OF (WRITING) TO A SCREEN WITHOUT SOME RESPECT.........THATS WHEN THE ANGER COMES IN!
NOTHING PERSONAL!!!
ITS THE FIRST TIME I HEARD OF AN ECU GOING BAD WITH A SUPERCHIP CONVERSION?????? STRANGE......
:confused:

Saul

13-03-2002, 11:48

Nick

I think the level of development u put into your cars in greece far exceeds that of the UK arm.

No hard feelings, im sure ur cars are as good as they say they are, but Superchips in the UK dont have as good a reputation as other VAG tuners.

CARL BRIGHTON

13-03-2002, 11:50

I dont want this to become a 'witch hunt' but ive had loads of bad comments of Superchips, i havent had experiance of them myself, but people only shout about a product if its really bad or extreamly goob.....

i dont have an opinion as i said i havent had experiance, but im looking to chip mine.

CARL BRIGHTON

13-03-2002, 11:51

haha

i said goob...

Martyn

13-03-2002, 12:39

Nick,

Please drop the caps or i'll have to start moderating your posts, nothing personal but all those caps are beginning to piss me off!

Ta

CupraSi

13-03-2002, 12:44

Well said Martyn hurrah hurrah! Its like viewing some of Carl Brightons :D :devil:

Si

m0rk

13-03-2002, 12:45

WHAT IS WRONG WITH CAPS? CAN I TYPE IN BOLD TO SHOW A LACK OF UNDERSTANDING TOO? EHHEHEHE

CupraSi

13-03-2002, 12:49

I DONT KNOW WHAT YOU ARE GOING ON ABOUT< WHAT IS IT WITH THIS CAPS THING ANYWAY, IS IT BECAUSE PEOPLE CANNOT FIND THE CAPS LOCK OR SUMMAT?

CARL BRIGHTON

13-03-2002, 12:55

i STOPPED that AGES AGO!!!!!!!:mad:

;)

ibizacupra

13-03-2002, 13:11

Now now children - Be nice :D
:)

Bill

CupraSi

13-03-2002, 13:14

Sorry Uncle Bill, I wont do it again :confused:

Si

gmac

13-03-2002, 14:58

We also experienced a lot of problems with superchip mods. This was on a ibiza cupra 1.8T...

The guy who bought this mod didn't notice any increase in its power/torque... But the fuel consumption was horrible ! So he came back several times to superchip with no decents results...

Finally, he bought an Oettinger chip and is very happy with it !

The Oettinger's guy explain to us that they invented the 1.8 T motor, and then sold it to VW/Audi group! So they really now what they do when chipping...

It's really easy to increase turbo motor's power.... But the it's harder to keep it reliable and non-polluant.

ibizacupra

13-03-2002, 19:30

Originally posted by gmac

The Oettinger's guy explain to us that they invented the 1.8 T motor, and then sold it to VW/Audi group! So they really now what they do when chipping...

Not heard that one before.
I was'nt sure if Cosworth had soemthing to do with it as Audi bought Cosworth Engineering... 5v engines came shortly after.

Anyone?

Bill