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tomthejaffa
26-02-2002, 17:31
I am looking for a short shift tyoe kit to go on my Beeza:devil: as I wish to get rid of the badly long throw (is this the same on all) on my S-plate. That bit of time saved changing gear would give a bit more go when bashing nova's in my F2 kitted lovely.
Any help would be appreciated:confused: :confused: :confused:
tomthejaffa
26-02-2002, 17:33
dont mind my rubbish typing in the start of this thread:repuke:
cordobabrendy
26-02-2002, 17:57
far as i know a short shift kit is available somewhere, but it actually makes the shift notchier and more horrible...
tomthejaffa
26-02-2002, 18:50
Cheers for that mr moderator:cheers:
anyyone else know any more or of where i can try one out. I do like a notchy shift so long as it has a positive feel to it.
namees of suppliers would be wonderful
ibizacupra
26-02-2002, 20:44
Originally posted by tomthejaffa
Cheers for that mr moderator:cheers:
anyyone else know any more or of where i can try one out. I do like a notchy shift so long as it has a positive feel to it.
namees of suppliers would be wonderful
Give Autotechnic a call on 02380 ******.
They should be able to help you out.
Also a weighted shit lever rod will help smooth out the short shit a lot. The change is amazing and really nice.
Tell em Bill sent ya.
:)
Bill
who is this 'short shit' Bill? and why does he need smoothing out? :D ;) :D
hopkinsgm
26-02-2002, 23:19
I'd be more concerned about the 'weighted shit lever' myself... and i'm not even a short shit! :D
ibizacupra
27-02-2002, 08:11
Oops.... de-shit'd post..
wish I could type! :D
thanks chaps
Give Autotechnic a call on 02380 ******.
They should be able to help you out.
Also a weighted shift lever rod will help smooth out the short shift a lot. The change is amazing and really nice.
Tell em Bill sent ya.
Bill
does that work for the old ibiza/cordobda as well, or just the new one?
ibizacupra
27-02-2002, 11:54
Originally posted by ScottyP
does that work for the old ibiza/cordobda as well, or just the new one?
Older ones being Rod change boxes are the ones a short shift kit relate to. Its a modified selector bracket.
Cable change boxes are a totally different kettle of fish.
Bill
hopkinsgm
27-02-2002, 12:34
Originally posted by ibizacupra
Older ones being Rod change boxes are the ones a short shit kit relate to.
Just a thought - I gather some of the 16v's (later models, I think) had cable change boxes...
BTW Bill, you're typing shit again :D ;)
G
the only thing shit at the moment is the gearbox on the car! if I miss the change up to third one more time i'm going to rip the damn thing out and go tiptronic!!:devil:
My parents later 16v has a much better shift action, could this be down to the cable, rather than rod, system?
How much am I looking at for a weighted shift rod? (or shit rod?)
:D
p.s I see you've freed yourself from the golf Glyn! nice to have you back :cheers:
ibizacupra
27-02-2002, 15:34
Originally posted by hopkinsgm
Just a thought - I gather some of the 16v's (later models, I think) had cable change boxes...
BTW Bill, you're typing shit again :D ;)
G
F##king hell.
Whats wrong with my typing!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
shift shift shift shift......
DOH!
that meant to come out shit shit shit shit.... LOL :D
Sorry chaps.. Keyboard dyslexia rules ko.
Bill
ibizacupra
27-02-2002, 15:36
Originally posted by ScottyP
the only thing shit at the moment is the gearbox on the car! if I miss the change up to third one more time i'm going to rip the damn thing out and go tiptronic!!:devil:
My parents later 16v has a much better shift action, could this be down to the cable, rather than rod, system?
How much am I looking at for a weighted shift rod? (or shit rod?)
:D
p.s I see you've freed yourself from the golf Glyn! nice to have you back :cheers:
If I am not mistaken, the Mk3 Golf shift rod is weighted, so raiding the parts bin might be an option.
Autotechnic can advise and supply you on this: 02380 ******
regards
Bill
hopkinsgm
27-02-2002, 17:31
Originally posted by ScottyP
My parents later 16v has a much better shift action, could this be down to the cable, rather than rod, system?
Hmm, very odd. It was my understanding that the late 16v's had a cable change, which is typically a little more sloppy if not kept correctly adjusted. The problem is further compounded by the fact that you really have to use the gearbox a hell of a lot more in a 16v to keep it on song if you're pushing along. 8v's are ideal for lazy b*stards like me... :)
I noticed this when I drove RPM's Cordy 2.0 16v last summer which is about the same age as my Ibiza 2.0 8v - at the time they both had similar mileage, but the box on the Cordy seemed much sloppier than the positive action i'm used to with the rod change box in my 8v.
p.s I see you've freed yourself from the golf Glyn! nice to have you back
Time off for good behaviour Scott - besides, i've been flat out at work until about 15 minutes ago... I'll be back at the lockup duffing my knuckles and scraping off underseal come the weekend. Oh joy...
G
cordobabrendy
27-02-2002, 18:21
tis true, the 16v can be naughty if it isnt kept right, but once youve driven it hard for a while, you know when to change and when not to!!!
I had a Neuspeed short shift on my Mk3 Golf GTI 8v (020 rod change) set to 50% reduction and it was the best shift I've ever had - cost about £50 in 1997. It consisted of two pieces of metal which were essentially VW parts with extensions welded on.
I also had an Autocavan short shift mechanism on my Corrado VR6 (02A cable change) which improved it no end but it still wasn't as good as the rod change. It cost £115 at GTI Int'l in 2000. Fitting involved dropping the exhaust and removing the heat shielding to access the mechanism from below the car. It was a complete replacement mechanism.
Originally posted by cordobabrendy
tis true, the 16v can be naughty if it isnt kept right, but once youve driven it hard for a while, you know when to change and when not to!!!
How do you keep it "right"?
Mines shagged - I can do nice big circles with the lever whilst in gear.
Neil P
jason phillips
28-02-2002, 00:40
hello , i've done some research me self on this one.the 020 rod change does benifit from the short shift IF you get both parts IE the one on the gear box that goes side to side and the thin flat one that links to it.i was sold the side to side one only and couldonly get 345 and not any gears to the left hand side of the box 12 and r so am now contenplating getting the full kit this time and geting whoever i buy it from to fit it to prove it works .
i also noted at curborough that it takes an age on the cable change boxes to shift compared to the rod change, i was was running out of third gear on the long straight compared to the later models going into the bends with revs to spare
ibizacupra
28-02-2002, 08:08
Originally posted by jason phillips
hello , i've done some research me self on this one.the 020 rod change does benifit from the short shift IF you get both parts IE the one on the gear box that goes side to side and the thin flat one that links to it.i was sold the side to side one only and couldonly get 345 and not any gears to the left hand side of the box 12 and r so am now contenplating getting the full kit this time and geting whoever i buy it from to fit it to prove it works .
i also noted at curborough that it takes an age on the cable change boxes to shift compared to the rod change, i was was running out of third gear on the long straight compared to the later models going into the bends with revs to spare
Give Autotechnic a call and ask their advise.
Tel: 02380 ******
I have heard that some of the Seat rod change boxes are MK1 Golf based.
My Mk2 shortshift is only the bracket mounted onto the g'box.
Bill
hopkinsgm
28-02-2002, 13:36
Originally posted by neilp
I can do nice big circles with the lever whilst in gear.
Sounds like a cable linked box in need of adjustment or a worn pivot to me. As I said above, because you really have to work the 'box a lot more to keep the engine on song in a 16v they're more likely to be prone to wear, tear, slack in linkages, etc...
G
jason phillips
28-02-2002, 21:28
bill where are they in the uk?are they local to you? gloucester way?would they be willing to have a dabble in getting one specific for the ibiza?
ANYONE interested stick a post up?
Yup i'd be interested in one (if it works and fits properly)
Any chance of a bulk / seatcupra.net discount Bill?
What was the number for "Autotechnic" again mate? I didnt quite get it :D (hehe)
Ta
Looks like im off to Autotechnic on Sat to give one of these kits a go. Watch this space :)
ibizacupra
28-02-2002, 22:22
Originally posted by Martyn
Looks like im off to Autotechnic on Sat to give one of these kits a go. Watch this space :)
Map is here...
http://www.multimap.com/map/browse.cgi?client=europe&X=435500&Y=112000&scale=10000&width=700&height=400&gride=435334&gridn=112027&coordsys=gb&db=pc&overviewmap=ap&scale=10000&out.x=13&out.y=15
Contech House
Rushington Business Park
Chapel Lane Totton
Southampton SO40 9LT
Tel: (023) 80 ******
Fax: (023) 80 666261
email:vwuk@aol.com
Alan and Vanessa White.
Very well equipped and very knowledgable people.
enjoy.
regards
Bill
ibizacupra
01-03-2002, 16:26
The short shift part is under the bonnet in the gear linkages to the box itself.
Bill
Right, popped along to Autotechnics this morning (thanks for the map Bill) and got my motor checked out. It seems my
8v Cordoba has the same linkage bits as the MK1 Golf. They unfortunatly didnt have one of these in stock but I was promised one would be machined for me this afternoon. As soon as its in i'll be popping back up to have it fitted.
Watch this space for a full write up and more details.
Ta
jason phillips
02-03-2002, 22:50
mart let me know as t may be a long trip for me,but they sound like theye'll be able to doone for me too
Jason, they have another centre up in Gillingham if thats any good?
martyn or bill
do u have a number 4 the place in gillingham ?
and do u know if they r able 2 make em up 4 the beeza 20vt ?
gillingham isn't 2 far up the road from me so it would b easy 2 get 2
:cheers: guys
ben
Ben,
I dont know the number for the place in gillingham but im sure if you call the branch in Southampton on 02380 ****** they'll send you in the right direction.
Alternativly Bill will probably know :)
As for the 20VT, i'm sure Alan said its a bit more complex but they can do em and if I recall rightly they were about 60 quid.
Best bet is to give em a call.
Hope this helps...
jason phillips
03-03-2002, 18:36
thanks mart:) and bill of course:)
:cheers:
ibizacupra
04-03-2002, 09:05
Originally posted by Martyn
Jason, they have another centre up in Gillingham if thats any good?
There is NO OTHER centre. These are not franchises or branches.
Autotechnic in Totton, Southampton are the ONLY one run by Alan and Vanessa White. It is their business built from scratch over many years.
You are confusing the business names with being the same company. They are not.
And their number again... 02380 ****** :p :p :p
regards
Bill
ibizacupra
04-03-2002, 09:07
Originally posted by roly
martyn or bill
do u have a number 4 the place in gillingham ?
and do u know if they r able 2 make em up 4 the beeza 20vt ?
gillingham isn't 2 far up the road from me so it would b easy 2 get 2
:cheers: guys
ben
20VT is cable change, so the difference is significant.
Autotechnic should be able to supply a Neuspeed shortshift for cable change... and are in the throws of dealing with Neuspeed now.
regards
Bill
Phoned Autotechnic today to see what the score was with my short shift kit..... :(
Goto wait till next week, which means I wont have it fitted for the trackday.
Oh well :rolleyes:
ibizacupra
06-03-2002, 18:36
Originally posted by Martyn
Phoned Autotechnic today to see what the score was with my short shift kit..... :(
Goto wait till next week, which means I wont have it fitted for the trackday.
Oh well :rolleyes:
Thats dissapointing..
Sorry to hear that Mart.
regards
Bill
jason phillips
06-03-2002, 19:22
don't worry mart theres a mk2 golf gti coming with one .you keep him talking ,i'll whip it off:D
only joking of course.
ibizacupra
07-03-2002, 09:03
Originally posted by jason phillips
don't worry mart theres a mk2 golf gti coming with one .you keep him talking ,i'll whip it off:D
only joking of course.
Thats the problem... The Cordy needs a MK1 Golf linkage..
Strange but true.
Bill
Autotechnic just phoned, looks like they can squeeze me in tonight!
What a result.
I'll let you know how it goes! :D
just ordered a set of discs and pads off them - sound like a nice bunch to deal with.
Went over to Autotechnic after work to get the part fitted, unfortunately we hit another hurdle. The kit fitted but we were unable engage 1st and 2nd.
Oh well, back to the drawing board for a bit, looks like a bit more development is needed for the SEAT posse.
I'll fill ya in when I've been back for another go.
Ta
jason phillips
08-03-2002, 20:48
mart , this is the same problem i had with mine could'nt get the left side of the box ,this is why i'm so interested see this mk2 16v 2morow ,to see what is fouling on what ,on our boxes i know that the mk2 golf didn't have the weight between the linkage like the ibiza/cordoba.i know it is fitted to golfs as an aid to gear shifting from aftermarket firms (autotechnic etc) how many bits did they fit?the one on the box? or /and the link from the weight to the lever?.or has yours being a mk1 box not have a weight?across the box .
lets get together tomorow and get this sorted (photo's included:):cheers: