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Hi All
Got back from the dyno last night with some encouraging results - how does 216.7BHP@7090RPM and 170.8LBFT@ 5999RPM grab you with stable 900rpm tickover ? 108 BHP / liter - hooray, my goal was > 100. Gain over previous setup without the throttle bodies was 37.3BHP and approx 25 lbft.
I am impressed not just by the power but by the smoothness also. Have posted scans of dyno sheets to Bill B - perhaps you could stick them on your website Bill ? (dont know why but whenever I send attachments to this list they dont arrive ???).
This is a good conversion - cheers to Bill - only needs a better airbox / filtering system to finish it off 100%.
Cheers
Rob :D :D :D :D :D
mmm, that sounds tempting! - I need a pay rise to feed my need for power!
What's the MPG like Rob, and how does it drive in traffic?
Originally posted by ScottyP
mmm, that sounds tempting! - I need a pay rise to feed my need for power!
What's the MPG like Rob, and how does it drive in traffic?
Driving in traffic is fine, not far off a std car (and certainly much better than my car with hot cams prior to TB's) - not sure about MPG though - only got it back last night and thrashed it all the way home - needle went down quick ! Normal driving will have to wait and see.
Cheers
Rob
ibizacupra
02-03-2002, 19:25
Originally posted by RobT
Driving in traffic is fine, not far off a std car (and certainly much better than my car with hot cams prior to TB's) - not sure about MPG though - only got it back last night and thrashed it all the way home - needle went down quick ! Normal driving will have to wait and see.
Cheers
Rob
As a guide my own Jetta demo runs a tad over 30mpg cruising at 80mph on the motorway on a long journey.
When driven like its meant to be driven (eg on track) the mpg drops down to less than 10mpg approx.
The economy is all in the mapping. - OR NOT as the case may be :D
regards
Bill
PS. Rob I will post your results, but my pc has finally crashed forever (2 out of 3 HD's failed) so I am rebuilding my new one before I download your dynos you sent me. I have seen them and they look suberb. You must be a happy chappy. Well done.! :)
CARL BRIGHTON
14-03-2002, 10:36
how does 216.7BHP@7090RPM and 170.8LBFT@ 5999RPM grab you
GIT
:D ;)
rob is that the motorist centre's old beeza race car ??
Originally posted by roly
rob is that the motorist centre's old beeza race car ??
Yes - do you know it, I would appreciate any info on its past life.
Ta
Rob
i am parts manager at said garage, unfortunatly i started just after they stopped racing that car and started using the 2.0 16v toledo. i do know it's x seat uk car our sales manager barry used to race it and won many races in it, and it could have been mine but i didn't have the cash at the time and opted 4 a standard 1.8 16v in same colour.
if i can find any details on it i will let u know.
Originally posted by roly
i am parts manager at said garage, unfortunatly i started just after they stopped racing that car and started using the 2.0 16v toledo. i do know it's x seat uk car our sales manager barry used to race it and won many races in it, and it could have been mine but i didn't have the cash at the time and opted 4 a standard 1.8 16v in same colour.
if i can find any details on it i will let u know.
Thanks very much - any info or pics would be great.
Cheers
Rob
ps - as you are the parts manager, do you happen to know what the VW equivalents are for the engine and transmission mounts for the 1.8 16V Ibiza (1996 N) ? Reason I ask is that I want to get uprated engine + box mounts for my car, no one does them for Seat but they will be the same as VW Golf ones - its just knowing which ones off which model golfs..........
don't know the vw equivalents but i can give u the part no's that u might b able 2 cross ref with vw one's
front 1H0199609J
rear 1H0199262B
g/box 357199402B
above part no's cover 1.8 16v ADL engine code and 2.0 16v ABF engine code
hope this help u
Originally posted by roly
don't know the vw equivalents but i can give u the part no's that u might b able 2 cross ref with vw one's
front 1H0199609J
rear 1H0199262B
g/box 357199402B
above part no's cover 1.8 16v ADL engine code and 2.0 16v ABF engine code
hope this help u
Thanks
:cheers:
Rob
jason phillips
14-03-2002, 21:49
and thanks from me too .think i need new ones too after 7 years
jason phillips
14-03-2002, 21:54
oh yeh rob ,whats the noise like? are they ok on an everyday driver ?or will th e roar do my daughters head in , in the back?:cheers:
Originally posted by jason phillips
oh yeh rob ,whats the noise like? are they ok on an everyday driver ?or will th e roar do my daughters head in , in the back?:cheers:
Noise is high I'm afraid but no worse after fitting TB's - no interior does not help !\
Cheers
Rob
jason phillips
19-03-2002, 22:40
RE; ENGINE MOUNTS front one seems ok to do but what about the other two fella's?they easy to fit or is it an engine out job?
oh and a price on standard ones too .think front one is 40 odd quid what about the others (wanna compare to aftermarket ones):cheers:
cordobabrendy
19-03-2002, 23:17
rob, whats the torque like low down , say at 1k-3k rpm, im not expecting a huge difference, but is it better or worse? also, for the TB, did you go back to standard cams?
wow!
if u c me on the road please dont race me :D
do you have any pics? im new here, what car do you have? specs?
jason
soz m8 don't know how hard they r 2 fit but i can give u prices
1H0199609J £54-60 + VAT
1H0199262B £59-92 + VAT
357199402B £51-49 + VAT
hope this helps
jason phillips
20-03-2002, 16:48
cheers m8 , judging by that i expect aftermarket ones to be out of my price range ,standard new ones will do me a treat,when i can afford them
Originally posted by cordobabrendy
rob, whats the torque like low down , say at 1k-3k rpm, im not expecting a huge difference, but is it better or worse? also, for the TB, did you go back to standard cams?
Better or worse than what ? With and without TB's ? If this is what you mean then its better than it was before TB's - 16V's are all pretty crappy when it comes to low down torque, you have to rev em !
I have 276 degree Schrick cams (intake and exhaust) and a flowed cyl. head. Why would I put the std cams back in ?
Torque down low is not great - need to get it going, max is at 6K - Bill B is posting dyno results on his website soon so you will be able to see
Cheers
Rob
ibizacupra
21-03-2002, 11:31
Originally posted by RobT
Better or worse than what ? With and without TB's ? If this is what you mean then its better than it was before TB's - 16V's are all pretty crappy when it comes to low down torque, you have to rev em !
I have 276 degree Schrick cams (intake and exhaust) and a flowed cyl. head. Why would I put the std cams back in ?
Torque down low is not great - need to get it going, max is at 6K - Bill B is posting dyno results on his website soon so you will be able to see
Cheers
Rob
Thankyou for reminding me Rob..:rolleyes:
the dyno plot of the after t'bodies is more everywhere, getting larger as the revs climb and the engine starts to get going.
My own Jetta runs 152lb/ft torque and >130lb/ft from 2700rpm as a guide, running split duration 260/270 cams.
Robs has 170lb/ft but higher in the rev band, as determined by the cams.
regards
Bill
ibizacupra
21-03-2002, 22:30
Follow the link for RobT's dyno results.
Posted eventually. - Appologies.
http://www.seatcars.net/forums/showthread.php?threadid=4216
Bill
Hi ROB T,
I'm very impressed by your mods. Therefore, seems to be still driveable.
Have a look to http://www.ClubABF.fr.st this is a specific forum for VW/SEAT 2.0 16V models (ABF is the engine code!)
Hope to see you there
:cheers: