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Got my Blitz induction kit fitted last week, finally.
My first impression aren't quite what i was expecting.... the car sounds rough, not powerful... ie. it sounds like there is a hole in the exhaust!
Also, some people say that they don't notice any improvement in performance, some claim they do, well I actually think my car feels significantly slower!!!!
I do like the sucking noise you get from the kit and the whoosh when you change gear, but I can get a far better whoosh from an atmos dump valve.
I'll give it a few more days before I decide but I might end up taking the kit off and putting the standard one back on!
Thanks
Ben
ibizacupra
04-03-2002, 08:59
Originally posted by BenS1
Got my Blitz induction kit fitted last week, finally.
My first impression aren't quite what i was expecting.... the car sounds rough, not powerful... ie. it sounds like there is a hole in the exhaust!
Also, some people say that they don't notice any improvement in performance, some claim they do, well I actually think my car feels significantly slower!!!!
I do like the sucking noise you get from the kit and the whoosh when you change gear, but I can get a far better whoosh from an atmos dump valve.
I'll give it a few more days before I decide but I might end up taking the kit off and putting the standard one back on!
Thanks
Ben
hmmmm.
Similar results to the BMC I tested,
Hurricane is on its way now.. will be testing that shortly.
Bill
Steve3961
05-03-2002, 23:51
When i spoke to DS engineering they told me that the kits were't ready!
This was Monday and they also had a go at me for ringing them! Complaining that they haven't had time to finish them?
What is there problem? I ordered mine over a month ago and still haven't recieved it:mad:
Well they were ready by last Thursday coz thats when i got mine fitted!
Steve, do yourself a favour ad don't bother... I swear that my car is alot slower with it on... especially at high speeds. I'm having problems pulling away from Golf GTis from 80+mph.... now thats not right!
I'll probably take mine off before the Bruntingthorpe track day.
Ben
ibizacupra
06-03-2002, 15:40
Originally posted by BenS1
Well they were ready by last Thursday coz thats when i got mine fitted!
Steve, do yourself a favour ad don't bother... I swear that my car is alot slower with it on... especially at high speeds. I'm having problems pulling away from Golf GTis from 80+mph.... now thats not right!
I'll probably take mine off before the Bruntingthorpe track day.
Ben
Hurricane arrived today... some testing to be done now.
All I need is time :p
Bill
I wouldnt get too excited.... the Blitz is meant to be the best airflow/power wise and sound wise (But NOT filtration wise) and in my opinion its crap. If the Hurricane is similar then I wouldn't even bother.
I can't be sure whether the problem is that the Blitz is crap or whether its because the ECU mapping is based on the standard airbox. I wonder if getting the car remapped for the new filter would be of any benefit..... its not worth the effort though.
Ben
ibizacupra
06-03-2002, 18:33
Originally posted by BenS1
I wouldnt get too excited.... the Blitz is meant to be the best airflow/power wise and sound wise (But NOT filtration wise) and in my opinion its crap. If the Hurricane is similar then I wouldn't even bother.
I can't be sure whether the problem is that the Blitz is crap or whether its because the ECU mapping is based on the standard airbox. I wonder if getting the car remapped for the new filter would be of any benefit..... its not worth the effort though.
Ben
Forget the mapping nonsense. The MAF reads airflow and the ecu matches the other settings to suit.
"Blitz = best power/airflow" Well I have never been sure of that despite the many and varied claims.
I will test the Hurricane. It looks Ok, but as you know that does'nt mean d$ck does it eh?
:)
Bill
I think the standard paper panel is as good as most on the market at the moment , i spoke with richard at APR on this subject last week , they can supply a K&N panel fiter,if needs must, but no or very little BHP is gained. so keep your money in your wallet for the time being !!!:cheers:
Steve3961
08-03-2002, 20:01
Originally posted by BenS1
I wouldnt get too excited.... the Blitz is meant to be the best airflow/power wise and sound wise (But NOT filtration wise) and in my opinion its crap. If the Hurricane is similar then I wouldn't even bother.
I can't be sure whether the problem is that the Blitz is crap or whether its because the ECU mapping is based on the standard airbox. I wonder if getting the car remapped for the new filter would be of any benefit..... its not worth the effort though.
Ben
Finally got my Blitz kit, I have to admit iam well impressed!
Not sure what problems your having Ben but my car now has quicker throttle responce and a healthy dose of extra power.
The noise is spot on, couldn't ask for better!
Maybe there is a air leak or something?
I guess some people wuld like what I have, but its a bit Novaish in my opinion. The sucking and whooshing sounds are good, the growl I don't like so much, but I definately feel like I'm down on power.
Anyway, I'm bringing the Blitz AND the standard box to Brunty tommorow and I will make several 0-60 runs on both to see if there is any noticable difference.
Ben
NewCupra
12-03-2002, 10:24
Did you notice any differences between the two at Brunty?
Considering there was a wait of over an hour between 0-60 runs at Brunty I only wasted my time on a single run. I was hoping to do 3 or 4 runs with each kit to compare them. I also wanted to do 3 runs with just me in the car and 3 runs with a passenger coz i feel that my Ibiza suffers from the extra weight far more than any other car i have owned.... it feels really slow with a passenger.
Anyway, the net result is that I still can't say for sure which one is best, but one thing I do know is that the Blitz is sucking in a lot of HOT air from the engine bay whereas the standard filter sucks in a bit less air but its nice cold air.
Ben
Is someone gonna take some piccies so we can see the finished result?
What have you done regarding the possible intake of water etc?
DS Engineering make a slash guard to prevent spray from the road reaching the induction kit. You will still get small amounts of water sucked in, but this is actually a good thing (Keeps things cool.).
Originally posted by BenS1
DS Engineering make a slash guard to prevent spray from the road reaching the induction kit. You will still get small amounts of water sucked in, but this is actually a good thing (Keeps things cool.).
Any ideas on the price of the splash guard?
Thanks in advance.
I saw and heard Steve3961's at brunty - looks very nice (big compared to the kit im used to seeing) and the sound wasa nice.
BenS1 - if you dont want yours let me know - I wouldn't mind trying it on my motor.
Steve3961 - Let me know about number plates....
ibizacupra
13-03-2002, 19:17
Originally posted by BenS1
You will still get small amounts of water sucked in, but this is actually a good thing (Keeps things cool.).
Are you sure the MAF will be happy with this Ben?
Bill
You can't leave it at that!
I was going to order one today from Jim at Star Performance ready for the weekend!
What's the issue with them?
If you don't want to post it here please email me at :
helldyhellyeah@hotmail.com.
Thanks
Chris.
NewCupra
14-03-2002, 14:06
Does anyone want a proper one of these direct from Racelogic, who are the biggest importers of Blitz kit in the country?
I have a friend who works there, and if I can get 5 or 6 people who want one, we can get the stuff properly made up for the car, estimated price completed £100 (I have no idea if thats expensive or cheap -- I just drive it!!)
Thanks for the quick reply.
Sorry to hear about your motor :(
Steve3961
14-03-2002, 19:57
Well mines staying on.
Looks like ill be the only one!:D
Sorry to hear about your car Paul but there is no way the seat can garuntee(?) that it was the Blitz that caused that.
I had this conversation with Lee Chung on Sat,
Ive changed plenty of throttle valve for various faults so they arent particuly(?) relieable(?).
Either way i can get it fixed for nowt so im not concerned.
The Jabbasport golf had a similer(?) metal filter on it.
ps i can't spell today (in case you haven't guessed!)
ibizacupra
14-03-2002, 22:01
I'm sorry to hear that.
Did Danny manage to get it going or is it totally f##ked?
Bill
Just a quick question while were going on about filters. Has anybody tried the green air filter for the 20t cos been offered one and was thinking of trying it if there have been no reported problems.
Regards
Mark
Cheers for the email Paul,
Yes, i will be taking the kit off! i was going to take it off anyway as I actually feel that it makes the car slower (Sucking in warm air?), but no I'll get off my arse a bit quicker and put the original one on.
Sorry to hear about the £350 bill though.
For Sale, one Blitz induction kit with custom fittings and splash gaurd for the Seat Ibiza, one month old (500 miles of usage). Cost £150 from new (Paul got it cheaper coz it was a prototype), offers around £100. ;)
Do you think that this may not be the best thread to sell this on now? ;)
Seriously though, out of 3 people with this kit on an ibiza, one has now had problems resulting in a £350 bill, another (me) thinks that it makes the car feel slower and one likes the kit (so far). So, 2 thirds would advise you to stay away. Anyone else considering the kit can make up their own minds.
If anyone really feels that they must have an induction kit then I would recommend an Apexi one... they have EXCELLENT filtration (From the independent tests I saw) and still manage to give just as good airflow as the Blitz. However, as this is cone shaped filter that will go in the same place as the Blitz I would still expect it to just suck in warm air which will result in degraded performance.
DP Motorsport (Warrington I think) are willing to make a kit to get an Apexi filter to fit the Ibiza (01945 445174).
Hows the tests going with your Hurricane Bill? Is that a snorkel type (ie. you get nice cold air)?
Ben
Sideways Al
15-03-2002, 12:29
You seem to be a little quick to dismiss the Blitz filter, I have adapted one to fit my 3 series and it works fine. I've done the best parts of 10K over 1 and a half years and it's not given me any problems. I like to 9 bhp increase it also gave me!:cool:
Al
The problem with the VAG 1.8T engine is its overly sensitive air monitoring system, there a lot of very small valves and sensors that can react badly to small particles passing through the engine, i imagine to stop damage to the turbo???
Hence why it doesnt take kindly to induction kits
ibizacupra
15-03-2002, 13:36
Originally posted by BenS1
Hows the tests going with your Hurricane Bill? Is that a snorkel type (ie. you get nice cold air)?
Ben
The Hurricane does have a cold air feed pipe.
Ade(Trog) saw it last night when he collected the spacers from me.
I am aiming to do the tests this weekend.
Std Airbox
BMC airbox - cold air feed if possible BUT its damn big.. adaption needed.
Hurricane - as supplied, pukka kit so far.
I will post results from VAG-COM #120 and MAF airflow measurements.
regards
Bill
Even though the filter sucks warm air from around the engine I wouldn't of thought that it would make much difference to performance considering how much the air is heated when it is compressed by the turbo anyway. Isn't that the purpose of the intercooler to cool the air down again before it enters the engine?
All the Japanese turbo cars get good gains from these kits (Blitz etc) but they also must suck warm air from around the engine?
Has anyone carried out any tests to see if the air temp. after the intercooler is any warmer when using a kit such as the Blitz over the standard air box or kits with a cold air feed such as the BMC?
ibizacupra
15-03-2002, 14:44
Originally posted by dreamer
Even though the filter sucks warm air from around the engine I wouldn't of thought that it would make much difference to performance considering how much the air is heated when it is compressed by the turbo anyway. Isn't that the purpose of the intercooler to cool the air down again before it enters the engine?
All the Japanese turbo cars get good gains from these kits (Blitz etc) but they also must suck warm air from around the engine?
Has anyone carried out any tests to see if the air temp. after the intercooler is any warmer when using a kit such as the Blitz over the standard air box or kits with a cold air feed such as the BMC?
Its pretty obvious really I think.
If you suck in warmer air (less dense) then it's extra heat which will be added to the heat generated by compressing giving the intercooler more work to do. I would also think that the measured air density from the MAF, which is before compression, will have made adjustments based on what it saw. Colder more dense air, give it some more fuel to go with it to achieve its BMEP and mapping stoich figures would equal a bit more power. - theory has it at least. :D
20VT engine is too touchy though and some mods which work well on other cars/engines do not seem to suit for various reasons.
regards
Bill
Steve3961
15-03-2002, 18:36
Thanks for the email paul,
Will post any problems regarding my Blitz, lets hope there are none.
Ben,
I would go round saying how good the Apexi filter is as its untested on 20VT motors at the moment, look what happend with Blitz!
Yeah but with the Blitz it was predicted BEFORE anyone even tried it. The filtration of the Blitz jst isn't good enough (i can hear Bill saying "I told you so" :) ). The filtration of the Apexi induction kit is excellent and so is the airflow, so there shouldn't be any reliability problems, however the warm air problem still exists so I still think you will get the same results I did with the Blitz, ie. the car will actually feel slower.
Bt you're right, I have not tested it so I don't know 100% whether it would be any good... all I'm saying is that if I had to go for an induction kit now then thats what i would try next. Personally I don't think I'll bother... I don't think an induction kit really gives you anything any more. I originally bought he Blitz for the atmospheric dump valve type whooshy sounds, but even they weren't that good. :(
I'll wait 'til i get my 300bhp conversion and then I'll fit a real atmos dump valve (Note though that the Jabbasport 300bhp conversion comes ith a Blitz style induction kit!!!! :eek: ).
Ben
I would have thought the only time you will have a problem with hot air is when the cars stationary because once your moving the engine bay will be cooled to within a couple of degres of ambiant.
Mark
The engine bay will always be warmer than the ambient temperature.... even a few degrees will make a difference. Also, why do you think Seat use a snorkel to bring cold air into the standard airbox if it was almost the same in the engine bay?
just my 2p worth.
Ben
jason phillips
19-03-2002, 00:20
why not fit cold air feeds and get the bonnet vented to get rid of all that nasty hot air?:cheers:
I personaly don't want to have to add bonnet vents. The cold air feeds are really the only way to go. However, the engine bay is so cramped it's hard to find a decent route to feed cold air from!