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As above has the 0-150mph sprint ever been timed on a Stage3 IHI (jabba) car. Proper figures not just a guess. :cheers:
ibizacupra
04-07-2004, 22:19
As above has the 0-150mph sprint ever been timed on a Stage3 IHI (jabba) car. Proper figures not just a guess. :cheers:
Why? - Datalog from The Golf+ magazine Brunters shoot out.
Out now in the shops :clap: :)
************* Acceleration Test ****************
Vehicle Bill B Seat
Time 15:37
Date 4/14/04
Vmax 159.32 mph
Dist Vmax 2289.218 m
Time Vmax 43.20 s
Speed Time Distance AccelG
00010 0.79 1.653 0.58
00020 1.67 7.494 0.55
00030 2.52 17.050 0.54
00040 3.36 30.159 0.54
00050 4.56 53.669 0.50
00060 5.38 73.988 0.51
00070 6.39 103.600 0.50
00080 8.17 161.810 0.45
00090 9.45 210.399 0.43
00100 11.06 279.144 0.41
00110 13.43 389.971 0.37
00120 15.72 507.841 0.35
00130 18.77 678.637 0.32
00140 24.62 1028.393 0.26
00150 31.19 1455.921 0.22
Just looking at diff 0-140 times gt3 was about 19secs, spec c scoob about 24-25secs.
http://www.foamcow.net/cabby/pics/EVO1003P103.jpg
Looks like the Golf beats the M3 csl, Spec c from 50-140mph. Gt3 is a bit of a beast though. Whats the Ibiza like compared to the golf bill faster/slower?.
Sorry its the Ibiza thats being shown.
LEO LION R
04-07-2004, 23:02
That's what torque and aerodynamcs gets you, top speeds will reflect this too
:cheers:
Bills Ibiza is quicker than a normal stage3 car aint it. And so was Jabba's demo car. Wonder how a bog stnd stage3 (customer car) would fare?.
ibizacupra
05-07-2004, 07:18
Looks like the Golf beats the M3 csl, Spec c from 50-140mph. Gt3 is a bit of a beast though. Whats the Ibiza like compared to the golf bill faster/slower?.
Ibiza is faster... than Golf
Those tests were Ibiza, on std 16v Ibiza g'box... no trick bits.
Feel a much quicker car now its got its box and diff back in it.
6spd sequential... v-quick shifts, gear limited to 160mph now
When rolling @ the 'ring last year it was pretty evens with a GT2.
Not come across a GT3.... yet. :)
Weight reduction on car continues.... :D
ibizacupra
05-07-2004, 07:22
Bills Ibiza is quicker than a normal stage3 car aint it. And so was Jabba's demo car. Wonder how a bog stnd stage3 (customer car) would fare?.
Not going to be too much slower I would'nt think.
Comparing PVW times from last year to The Golf+ times earlier this year.
Same Vmax, albeit into a 20-30mph headwind this year which certainly did'nt help!
Traction off the line kills 0-something mph times. :(
I can vouch for the crazily quick time it took for Bill's car to get to 150mph when he took me out for a spin in it on his private airstrip yesterday!!
Bloody love that gearbox too mate! :drool:
Dormouse
05-07-2004, 08:47
Weight reduction on car continues.... :D
Just the Salad for tea then? :rolleyes:
Dor.
ibizacupra
05-07-2004, 09:23
That's what torque and aerodynamcs gets you, top speeds will reflect this too
:cheers:
Remembering back to the Pistonheads Brunters Vmax day last year....
Porsches come into their own at high speed....>130mph just romp away... :)
ibizacupra
05-07-2004, 09:28
Just the Salad for tea then? :rolleyes:
Dor.
Hehe... cars loosing weight faster than me :hide:
Thanks for the info. Just building info for my next adventure into the realms of no money lots of overtime and a hopfully faster Ibiza.
Dormouse
05-07-2004, 13:22
Thanks for the info. Just building info for my next adventure into the realms of no money lots of overtime and a hopfully faster Ibiza.
I believe there's enough room in the back of a hercules for an Ibiza and G is 9.81 M/S :thumbup:
Dor.
Not sure that will be enough Dor.
slim_boy_fat
05-07-2004, 13:34
Ibiza is faster... than Golf
Those tests were Ibiza, on std 16v Ibiza g'box... no trick bits.
Feel a much quicker car now its got its box and diff back in it.
6spd sequential... v-quick shifts, gear limited to 160mph now
When rolling @ the 'ring last year it was pretty evens with a GT2.
Not come across a GT3.... yet. :)
Weight reduction on car continues.... :D
A GT2 is quite a bit quicker than a GT3
0-60 in 4.1sec 0-100 in 8.5 & 195mph.
I am fighting the urge to put a 50bhp shot of nos on a progressive controller onto my Ibiza along with the k03s i would prob see around 285-290bhp and 300lbs ft i reckon. Really i should do the right thing and hold on for either IHI/gt28rs turbo kits. Any comments/opinions are welcome.
Dormouse
05-07-2004, 14:49
Any comments/opinions are welcome.
Some kind of parachute arrangement to bring it to a halt? :rolleyes:
Dor.
Nah Dor that why u have hills that go up as well as down. Just keep going until uphill/gravity slows u. Using the brakes or any other kind of brake/anchor is cheating. Also why would u want to go slower.
Dormouse
06-07-2004, 10:03
Nah Dor that why u have hills that go up as well as down. Just keep going until uphill/gravity slows u. Using the brakes or any other kind of brake/anchor is cheating. Also why would u want to go slower.
Stop for pasty's :p
Dor.
I am fighting the urge to put a 50bhp shot of nos on a progressive controller onto my Ibiza along with the k03s i would prob see around 285-290bhp and 300lbs ft i reckon. Really i should do the right thing and hold on for either IHI/gt28rs turbo kits. Any comments/opinions are welcome.
300lb/ft on the standard gearbox will be pushing it!
I'd wait for a bigger turbo if I were you.
Cheers
Ben
Dormouse
06-07-2004, 12:23
300lb/ft on the standard gearbox will be pushing it!
I'd wait for a bigger turbo if I were you.
Cheers
Ben
Don't you mean 300 Lb/Ft on the std gearbox and you WILL be pushing it....home :roflmao:
Dor.
slim_boy_fat
06-07-2004, 12:28
Don't you mean 300 Lb/Ft on the std gearbox and you WILL be pushing it....home :roflmao:
Dor.
I would think 300 lbft would do more damage. :bleh:
Dormouse
06-07-2004, 12:36
I would think 300 lbft would do more damage. :bleh:
It would if I intersted a 1 foot pole into your pedantic ass and stuck 300 Lb's on the end of it :idea:
Dor.
slim_boy_fat
06-07-2004, 12:48
It would if I intersted a 1 foot pole into your pedantic ass and stuck 300 Lb's on the end of it :idea:
Dor.
Emmmm you dont need the capital "L" for pound. :bleh:
Ou er misses, can you make it a 1 meter pole, i am a metric man. :blink:
Big turbo it is then. I will not refer to power/torque in my poor tech terms. It will be either be slow...faster....faster still.....really fast or even faster than really fast.
Dormouse
06-07-2004, 16:15
Emmmm you dont need the capital "L" for pound. :bleh:
Use your small 'p' then :D
Dor.
LEO LION R
06-07-2004, 17:40
Remembering back to the Pistonheads Brunters Vmax day last year....
Porsches come into their own at high speed....>130mph just romp away... :)
Yeah i remeber that too, from the vid clips yo posted. The best one was the "brunt_2003.wmv" don't know what the porker was racing against but it was even untill end of 3rd gear and it romped away there too, plus the "vmaxporsche.mov" with you in the middle clip, even very quick of the line compared with FWD.
:cheers:
madmile have you not thought about ko3s and nos, then when the time comes, big turbo and keep the nos!!
yeeeeehhaaaaa.
Mark :)
Not sure m8. I wanna get a little more involved with the tuning process. I might buy stage 2 IHI or any other big turbo kit and fit myself. Its not the fitting cost, i just wanna be more involved with the conversion. Nos is okay, but refills are to costly. Big turbo is the way forward. Gt2871r or IHIvf34.
im glad u said that because to be honest im not a fan of nos.
its kinda like cheating, fake power, if you get me!
Mark
Jabba's kit is the best kit i am sure, but the ihi vf34 is an old'ish turbo now. More options need to be available really. I like jabba's kit but its no holy grail, its just an impellar that flows air. The transmission is the failing point, theres load of turbo's that can perform as well as IHI34 or near enough but the gearbox cant cope even with a Lsd.. The price of Jabba's kit plus fitting is shocking, but when compared to GGR's 285bhp conversion for the RS focus its a steal. I respect Jabba's kit and mapping but its still a lot of cash for 340-350bhp. I can whine all i want but unless a equal alternative comes to IHI before march/April next year i will be having the full 340-350bhp kit fitted and mapped by Jabba.
ibizacupra
29-07-2004, 20:35
Jabba's kit is the best kit i am sure, but the ihi vf34 is an old'ish turbo now. More options need to be available really. I like jabba's kit but its no holy grail, its just an impellar that flows air. The transmission is the failing point, theres load of turbo's that can perform as well as IHI34 or near enough but the gearbox cant cope even with a Lsd.. The price of Jabba's kit plus fitting is shocking, but when compared to GGR's 285bhp conversion for the RS focus its a steal. I respect Jabba's kit and mapping but its still a lot of cash for 340-350bhp. I can whine all i want but unless a equal alternative comes to IHI before march/April next year i will be having the full 340-350bhp kit fitted and mapped by Jabba.
You think VF34 is old? LMAO.... what do you think is in the heart of GT series Garretts? Same old stuff, just with roller bearing cassettes.. ;)
There is the older VF22, which is good for more power, with more lag...
:D
I'm getting something in between now :D
Yet to see a Garrett perform like the IHI on boost and power delivery, but I want to see one....none the less. It is a bit one sided currently.
:)
99.9% of people wanting IHI are yet to see the on boost and power delivery of the 340-350bhp kit and have been for well over 12 months. The kit was supposed to be available for suppliy and fitment from jabba last Year. There's plenty of golf's running gt28rs kits Gt28r kits etc in the states, its a far more proven kit than IHI is at the moment 2-3 Ibiza's does not prove Jabba's IHI kit (Ibiza that is). Until jabba can offer, supply, fitment, mapping, on request within reason time wise, jabba's kit is still yet to be proven to be better than any other kit out there. Until its offered on demand it has not proven itself to me.
And as for the Jabba's IHIvf34 turbo its older (oldish) by 12-24 months then when i put my name down.
Frustration is setting in.
indeed, this kit has been "nearly ready" for over 2 years now, madmile it will be interesting to see what you can come up with on the garret front, i know someone else who fancies a gt28rs
:cheers:
Come on jabba, tim need new warp core for yellow monster..
ibizacupra
30-07-2004, 12:06
99.9% of people wanting IHI are yet to see the on boost and power delivery of the 340-350bhp kit and have been for well over 12 months. The kit was supposed to be available for suppliy and fitment from jabba last Year. There's plenty of golf's running gt28rs kits Gt28r kits etc in the states, its a far more proven kit than IHI is at the moment 2-3 Ibiza's does not prove Jabba's IHI kit (Ibiza that is). Until jabba can offer, supply, fitment, mapping, on request within reason time wise, jabba's kit is still yet to be proven to be better than any other kit out there. Until its offered on demand it has not proven itself to me.
And as for the Jabba's IHIvf34 turbo its older (oldish) by 12-24 months then when i put my name down.
I presume you mean waiting to feel the power delivery (assuming they had not already driven the Ibiza demo car)? Dynoplots have been available for months, and RR days where mine has been doing its thing... There can be no real question on power delivery can there... its been doing it for quite some time.
Yep, others have had a long wait for various reasons.. Not like there is any other kit which will fit Ibiza tho is there. Golfs yea... LHD ones!
Proven is'nt the issue is it... availability and fitment is the frustration obviously. :(
GT series aint new.. Hey get a Garrett and slap it on... believe the hype.. ;) Must be true there's a load of Americans raving about them. :)
Jabba said they are going to be calling people next month to arrange fitment....we will see.
ibizacupra
01-08-2004, 19:28
Fingers crossed.. They even have ramps now!!! Woohooo....
Want to see the new dyno up and running myself....
Need more speed.
Dormouse
02-08-2004, 01:05
Fingers crossed.. They even have ramps now!!! Woohooo....
Want to see the new dyno up and running myself....
Need more speed.
Need to visit them myself in next couple of weeks. Might actually get there without finding too many dirt tracks this time....
Dor.
ibizacupra
02-08-2004, 08:10
Easier to find now... Crowland bypass.... just before 3rd entry to Crowland... opposite Garden Centre on RHS. Look out for small Jabbasport sign on verge
Jabba said they are going to be calling people next month to arrange fitment....we will see.
Fingers, hands, arms, legs(?) crossed then.. :confused:
dont go into the opening too quick or you will get a nasty bump - its a bit like an old dirt road - gonna get it sorted they said but the landlord is stalling.
its also easier to go to the last turning in crowland and turn around there and then take the first left as there is no turning point in the road.
going there again on wed to get my short shifter fitted - got a really notchy box now.
also with the new clutch it wont change gear on full boost in first gear - have to launch in low then turn it up - quite funny when people think they are keeping up then a little wave n a little turn and its ohh he's de-badged his boot.
ibizacupra
03-08-2004, 08:38
dont go into the opening too quick or you will get a nasty bump - its a bit like an old dirt road - gonna get it sorted they said but the landlord is stalling.
its also easier to go to the last turning in crowland and turn around there and then take the first left as there is no turning point in the road.
going there again on wed to get my short shifter fitted - got a really notchy box now.
also with the new clutch it wont change gear on full boost in first gear - have to launch in low then turn it up - quite funny when people think they are keeping up then a little wave n a little turn and its ohh he's de-badged his boot.
I doubt notchy g'box will be fixed by short shifter... likely to make things worse if there's trouble with the selector itself. Not being able to change gear under boost aint right either..... sounds like box trouble brewing.
Beware of the g'box and ragging it... they will fail. ( ;) )
Stock selector is smooth... when alls working as it should.
Cable running freely? Melted? (it can happen!) :rolleyes:
I doubt notchy g'box will be fixed by short shifter... likely to make things worse if there's trouble with the selector itself. Not being able to change gear under boost aint right either..... sounds like box trouble brewing.
Beware of the g'box and ragging it... they will fail. ( ;) )
Stock selector is smooth... when alls working as it should.
Cable running freely? Melted? (it can happen!) :rolleyes:
Well I'm only running ~200bhp, but I have to say that since getting the Quaife and changing to fully synth gearbox oil my gearbox feels more notchy and less willing to change gear. Also, when cold it crunches a lot and it quite difficult to change gear.
To be honest, it felt better on the semi synth gearbox oil it originally had, but its not too bad.
Cheers
Ben
Dormouse
04-08-2004, 10:57
Well I'm only running ~200bhp, but I have to say that since getting the Quaife and changing to fully synth gearbox oil my gearbox feels more notchy and less willing to change gear. Also, when cold it crunches a lot and it quite difficult to change gear.
To be honest, it felt better on the semi synth gearbox oil it originally had, but its not too bad.
Cheers
Ben
I'm yet to be convinced a fully synth is better than a semi-synth on an Ibiza.
Clutch OK Ben?
Rgs
Dor.
ibizacupra
04-08-2004, 13:43
Redline MTL worked well in my 02J
Oil Spec is increased when quiafe is installed.. for 75-90 Fully Synth
all 3 IHI'd ibizas were at jabbas today
had a little look in yours bill - that seat looks difficult to get in and out of.
hows the intercooler going? any better that the CC?
shifter is ok, feels different on my hand as it has an metal knob and it changes the reverse to pull up instead of push down.
yeah the box is next on my to-do list - but first i need to find the money - i think i hear a graduate loan calling - that should sort it out, along with a 1.9 conv.
saw your turbo - fuked - well cracked, warped and everything else, cage looks good though - how did u remove your rear seats - silly question but tried with no success.
Dormouse
04-08-2004, 15:41
saw your turbo - fuked - well cracked, warped and everything else, cage looks good though - how did u remove your rear seats - silly question but tried with no success.
Just had a thought, need to check something though. Was it just the casing that had warped?
Rgs
Dor.
ibizacupra
04-08-2004, 17:46
all 3 IHI'd ibizas were at jabbas today
had a little look in yours bill - that seat looks difficult to get in and out of.
hows the intercooler going? any better that the CC?
shifter is ok, feels different on my hand as it has an metal knob and it changes the reverse to pull up instead of push down.
yeah the box is next on my to-do list - but first i need to find the money - i think i hear a graduate loan calling - that should sort it out, along with a 1.9 conv.
saw your turbo - fuked - well cracked, warped and everything else, cage looks good though - how did u remove your rear seats - silly question but tried with no success.
FMIC is going to be enlarged to try out a theory... but it has been more suited to track abuse than my CC was... (without having to resort to using ice) Its more robust for sustained abuse on track.
Seat is fine to get into ad out of... use the cage as a climbing frame in and out.. :D
B&M shifter then.. They nice products... but less travel can mean notchy, and if trying to cure notchy (which is'nt normal anyhow) it might make things worse.
25% less travel now tho yea?
IHI Ibiza reunion... never all 3 been in one place before.. Hehehe.. Back for the wrong reasons tho!
Good excuse for a larger turbo now tho.. Will see how this one fares with other mods being incorporated as well. (Aquamist water injection, seperate oil breather system and larger FMIC core, less lagging but more heat shielding)
Rear seats simply bolt in. and out again.
ibizacupra
04-08-2004, 17:47
Just had a thought, need to check something though. Was it just the casing that had warped?
Rgs
Dor.
Housing had distorted yes.
Turbo otherwise was near on perfect... mighty impressed with exhaust turbine.. (inconel) as it was well tough. Rubbing on cast housing and housing lost!
Replacing it all anyhow cos its such a pain of a job fitting it.
Dormouse
04-08-2004, 18:28
Housing had distorted yes.
Turbo otherwise was near on perfect... mighty impressed with exhaust turbine.. (inconel) as it was well tough. Rubbing on cast housing and housing lost!
Replacing it all anyhow cos its such a pain of a job fitting it.
Dodgy casting then. Not left for long enough for all the stresses to come out after initial casting (almost like leaving wood to cure). Hence when really mullered they all pop out at once.
Rgs
Dor.
ibizacupra
05-08-2004, 08:14
Dodgy casting then. Not left for long enough for all the stresses to come out after initial casting (almost like leaving wood to cure). Hence when really mullered they all pop out at once.
Rgs
Dor.
I doubt its a casting issue.
Overheated.... I doubt any casting would stay dimensionally stable under my usage. :p
Its not been a step change but a progressive distortion I think, to the point of noticing it (laggy after Donny... housing touching turbine)
regards
bill
Dormouse
05-08-2004, 12:17
I doubt its a casting issue.
Overheated.... I doubt any casting would stay dimensionally stable under my usage. :p
Its not been a step change but a progressive distortion I think, to the point of noticing it (laggy after Donny... housing touching turbine)
regards
bill
I could understand that if it got extremely hot (and i know with a nocturnally based countryside creature at the wheel it prolly does :bleh: ) but if it's getting hot enough to distort that much, I'm wondering how the oil in the bearing doesn't just vaporise immediately....?
Dor.
ibizacupra
05-08-2004, 12:41
I could understand that if it got extremely hot (and i know with a nocturnally based countryside creature at the wheel it prolly does :bleh: ) but if it's getting hot enough to distort that much, I'm wondering how the oil in the bearing doesn't just vaporise immediately....?
Dor.
Maybe it does? :-o
Yellow/white hot and translucent heat has been on this setup...on a dyno along with many pasty action sessions/miles on track @ 20psi boost....
Heat wrap was good for surrounding components, but probably overheated the bits which have distorted... Hence no heat wrap on new bits, but heat shielding on other bits... instead. Can but try. (and add water injection as well for good measure)
Dormouse
05-08-2004, 19:24
Maybe it does? :-o
Yellow/white hot and translucent heat has been on this setup...on a dyno along with many pasty action sessions/miles on track @ 20psi boost....
Heat wrap was good for surrounding components, but probably overheated the bits which have distorted... Hence no heat wrap on new bits, but heat shielding on other bits... instead. Can but try. (and add water injection as well for good measure)
Takes 1500 degs C to get cast steel white hot. Fooking Ell' Bill.....that's a mighty charge your developing!
Dor.
i saw a large crack in your turbo - dont know the parts but there was a crack inside, where it is bolted on it had distorted and mike said something else - added up screwed.
answer to another post - yoko's 006T's super soft - got about 20 odd runs in them i think.
when u going to another track day - would be good to compare ibizas on the track and see how much diff the extra mods make and what the box is like
Shane
ibizacupra
05-08-2004, 21:23
next track session is Oulton Park
so all the IHI ibizas are back for repair at jabba are they? hopefully not a sign of things to come because it seems like an awesome kit!
Mark
ibizacupra
06-08-2004, 08:39
so all the IHI ibizas are back for repair at jabba are they? Mark
Nope..
Not sure why Shane was there, but I know about the ex-Jabba car....
Did someone previosuly mention about Transmissions???? Hmmmm? :whistle: :idea: Oh yes... that was ME ;)
Remember my car is an extreme evolution of the customer kit... which I advise people to go for if wanting supercar performance from a shopping car. BUT stick to Mike's settings if you want it to be as reliable as a std car... which is relatively mild boost. I don't run mild boost and have'nt done for many 1000's miles, and give my car severe use on track. (passengers in my car will have seen the hard use 1st hand on track).
Exhaust lagging (that I did) may well have contributed to the overheat of the exhaust housing, along with oil surging into the breather system on track causing pinking, ign retard, really high EGT's. (sticky tyres, chasing radicals, Donington, Cadwell, Castle Combe, Curborough, 'Ring etc etc)
Its been a good excuse to upgrade the turbo to a larger one and heat shield as opposed heat wrap the hot bits. Aquamist is going on shortly for good measure too along with larger FMIC core from Adam.
My DP is being replaced with production one as is flexi and a cat bypass pipe is being fitted (for the moment-timescale... need car for ring, need MOT at the end of month.. so cat will be fitted again for that)
No engine problems on the other cars so far as I know.. but you will, depending on use and time consume other bits... :)
Why? - Datalog from The Golf+ magazine Brunters shoot out.
Out now in the shops :clap: :)
************* Acceleration Test ****************
Vehicle Bill B Seat
Time 15:37
Date 4/14/04
Vmax 159.32 mph
Dist Vmax 2289.218 m
Time Vmax 43.20 s
Speed Time Distance AccelG
00010 0.79 1.653 0.58
00020 1.67 7.494 0.55
00030 2.52 17.050 0.54
00040 3.36 30.159 0.54
00050 4.56 53.669 0.50
00060 5.38 73.988 0.51
00070 6.39 103.600 0.50
00080 8.17 161.810 0.45
00090 9.45 210.399 0.43
00100 11.06 279.144 0.41
00110 13.43 389.971 0.37
00120 15.72 507.841 0.35
00130 18.77 678.637 0.32
00140 24.62 1028.393 0.26
00150 31.19 1455.921 0.22
31 seconds is very quick makes you think though theres an evo (rc developments)hat does it in 11 seconds!!!!!
I think Flappers got something that'll do it in about 3 seconds! :D
Ben