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Looking at the different chips available, which one have you got?
APR
Oetinger(RSD)
Upsolute
AmD
Jabbasport
Superchip
NewCupra
04-03-2002, 11:07
None yet, but I am pretty much convinced by the APR with EMCS, from what people have been saying on here!
Black20VT
04-03-2002, 11:15
I've not got a chip, but may be worth putting "other" on the list aswell.
If a few pop up, could be worth asking what they are?
Just a thought.
I got an APR chip fitted to my motor last week and although it is expensive, it is worth every penny!!!
Got it fitted with Cruise Control and a few extra programs thrown in (TBA, and Fault Code Erase). Absolutely brilliant!!!
I'm just mastering flicking between programs on the move at the mo. Rather funny when you see someone coming up your ass, you just flick progs (when I say flick, it takes about 10secs) and you get a burst from normal chip to performance chip and leave the muppet behind you shrouded in a cloud of dust. Hehe! :D
Meeko
sent my ibiza cupra 20vt to APR,and it came back a flying machine,well happy with car , and mark & richard at APR are 2 good chaps !! :D :D :D
ibizacupra
05-03-2002, 08:01
Originally posted by terry
sent my ibiza cupra 20vt to APR,and it came back a flying machine,well happy with car , and mark & richard at APR are 2 good chaps !! :D :D :D
I have Oettinger at the moment, BUT APR is by far the better product, with far better customer service andf support.
Having tested both on my own car, the APR is the superior product by far.
More features... Cruise control... switchable programmes, MUCH BETTER ecu upgrade PCB board, fitted in a professional manner. No sockets, no silicone goop holding it together.
Bill
Originally posted by ibizacupra
I have Oettinger at the moment, BUT APR is by far the better product, with far better customer service andf support.
Having tested both on my own car, the APR is the superior product by far.
More features... Cruise control... switchable programmes, MUCH BETTER ecu upgrade PCB board, fitted in a professional manner. No sockets, no silicone goop holding it together.
Bill
Has anyone any photos of the way the chip mods look after being fitted by ' The Professionals'. I can only speak for Impossible Performance at the moment, but Mike's work is clean and looks good, basically undetectable, but for the trained eye.
turbo northener
05-03-2002, 13:17
i have the jabbasport variety...222lb/ft of torque, which is nice.
I've got Upsolute at the moment, but I'm changing to the Jabbasport one this Friday (8/3/02) so I can have the adjustable boost controller. Seems better after trying their demo car.
Steve3961
05-03-2002, 23:42
Im getting the Jabbasport chip and boost controler on the 27 of this month and then the charge cooler as soon as its availible.
Come on I know there's more of you with the RSD conversion, who's not admitting it?
ibizacupra
06-03-2002, 08:02
Originally posted by whelme
Come on I know there's more of you with the RSD conversion, who's not admitting it?
:p
Originally had Superchip but changed to APR with cruise etc.
Really smooth & powerful.
John
APR chip
Milltek exhaust with free-flow cat
Star Performance front mounted intercooler
17" Seat Sport Speedlines
K&N filter
Looking for brakes--Brembos if they'll fit.
Anybody any ideas?
Originally posted by whelme
Come on I know there's more of you with the RSD conversion, who's not admitting it?
Not any more ;)
OK, I admit it, I have the RSD conversion! ;)
Believe it or not the car actually feels pretty slow to me now.... yes its fast 0-60 but you try pulling away from bog standard 306 Gti-6s, Golf GTis etc over 80mph... yes I'm faster but not alot!
Anyway, I want more power... I phoned RSD and they were very helpful, but they can only offer 240bhp for a litle less than £4000!!!! They would give me a small discount as I already have some of the parts they need from my RSD 210 conversion!!!! Theres NO WAY I'm paying £3000+ for an extra 30bhp!!!!
Jabbasport do a 300-320bhp conversin for £2000 :D Now thats definately on my shopping list! Give me a few months and I'll have it.
BTW, is it possible to have gears taken into account with the ECU mapping? ie. 200bhp in 1st and 2nd gear, 250bhp in 3rd and 300bhp in 4th and 5th.... going straight with 300bhp in 1st would make things a little difficult to drive. AFAIK the ECu doesn't know what gear you are in so this isn't really possble... but Jabbasport do boost controllers including one with a 3 stage switch, which could be configured to 200bhp, 250bhp and 300bhp. Would it be possible to wire something upto the gearbox which affectively selects switch setting 1, 2 or 3 depending on which gear your in.
Sorry, dreaming again... and I've just watched The Fast and the Furious.
Ben
actually it is possible to get differant amounts of power from differant gears the old vauxhall calibre turbo,s had it so you couldnt get full boost in first gear all through a little switch mounted on the gearbox so when it was engaged the switch went to earth and the switch told the e.c.u to only go to 6psi instead of 10psi:devil:
Does the Jabbasport £2000 conversion include gearbox mods?
I don't think the standard transmission would take that much power? (I could be wrong)
hopkinsgm
07-03-2002, 13:24
Originally posted by dreamer
Does the Jabbasport £2000 conversion include gearbox mods?
I don't think the standard transmission would take that much power? (I could be wrong)
B*llocks to the transmission - I doubt the chassis is up to handling that much power. And if the transmission were uprated to handle the power, the deficiencies of the chassis will become more apparent. I know of a Westfield with a straight cut box (not even dog engagement) that has ripped the rear axle mounts out of the chassis. And that's with a mere 180bhp, albeit in something that weighs about half an Ibiza.
If it's not driveable, what's the point? I know that some of us (myself included) use our cars on track but how often? It ultimately becomes a compromise between road car and track car - and a compromise is something a track car should never be.
Ben - I dare say that something COULD be rigged to limit the boost (and hence power) in lower gears, but it would either:
a) be ridiculously expensive
b) be all a bit Heath Robinson...
A Quiafe sequential box would be nice, but a bit pricey...
G
ibizacupra
07-03-2002, 17:16
Originally posted by BenS1
Sorry, dreaming again... and I've just watched The Fast and the Furious.
Ben
I would have thought you be after the NOS kits now and flame thrower afterburners for your zorst after seeing The Fast and the Furious :D :D
straight lines only though.. Zzzzzzzzzzzzzzz:)
Bill
ibizacupra
07-03-2002, 17:20
Originally posted by hopkinsgm
B*llocks to the transmission - I doubt the chassis is up to handling that much power. And if the transmission were uprated to handle the power, the deficiencies of the chassis will become more apparent. I know of a Westfield with a straight cut box (not even dog engagement) that has ripped the rear axle mounts out of the chassis. And that's with a mere 180bhp, albeit in something that weighs about half an Ibiza.
If it's not driveable, what's the point? I know that some of us (myself included) use our cars on track but how often? It ultimately becomes a compromise between road car and track car - and a compromise is something a track car should never be.
Ben - I dare say that something COULD be rigged to limit the boost (and hence power) in lower gears, but it would either:
a) be ridiculously expensive
b) be all a bit Heath Robinson...
A Quiafe sequential box would be nice, but a bit pricey...
G
What is it about the chassis that you think would'nt put up with the power? Its a heap of power no doubt and the first couple of gears would be useless for planting down said power, but in gear acceleration would be awesome.
I am looking forward to seeing Mike's (Jabbasport) Golf IV with 370bhp aty Bruntingthorpe.... gimme gimme gimme.
circa 330bhp potentially possible in an Ibiza.
The F2 Seat Ibiza Kit cars cars had just about 300bhp in tarmac trim.... :)
I want one myself...
Just need the funds. :(
Bill
Turbo Northerner, I am interested to see how your Jabba Sport Chip is going as I thought that nobody had it yet?
All going well and how much?
Cheers.
Si
What is it about the chassis that you think would'nt put up with the power? Its a heap of power no doubt and the first couple of gears would be useless for planting down said power, but in gear acceleration would be awesome.
I didn't mean that the chasis couldn't cope, I like you meant that the first couple of gears would be useless with that much power and hence why i was wondering if you could use the Jabbasport boost controller with its 3 position switch to automatically limit the car to 200bhp in 1st and 2nd gear, 250bhp in 3rd and 300bhp there after.
I am looking forward to seeing Mike's (Jabbasport) Golf IV with 370bhp aty Bruntingthorpe.... gimme gimme gimme.
circa 330bhp potentially possible in an Ibiza.
370bhp? Last time I spoke to Mike he said that the Golf demo is a demo of the same kit that would be used in the Ibiza and 300-330bhp would be expected. Has he now found that this kit gives 370bhp or has he now made additional mods?
£2000 for 300-330bhp is a bargin.... I wish i could get a full refund on my ibiza and then I'd start again... Ibiza + 300bhp + PPS9s = £15995. :)
I'm pretty sure I'm gonna get this 300bhp kit if it proves to be reliable.... I would of had the mney within the next month or so, but an unexpected bill means that I'll have to wait a little longer! :(
Ben
ibizacupra
07-03-2002, 23:30
Originally posted by BenS1
I didn't mean that the chasis couldn't cope, I like you meant that the first couple of gears would be useless with that much power and hence why i was wondering if you could use the Jabbasport boost controller with its 3 position switch to automatically limit the car to 200bhp in 1st and 2nd gear, 250bhp in 3rd and 300bhp there after.
370bhp? Last time I spoke to Mike he said that the Golf demo is a demo of the same kit that would be used in the Ibiza and 300-330bhp would be expected. Has he now found that this kit gives 370bhp or has he now made additional mods?
£2000 for 300-330bhp is a bargin.... I wish i could get a full refund on my ibiza and then I'd start again... Ibiza + 300bhp + PPS9s = £15995. :)
I'm pretty sure I'm gonna get this 300bhp kit if it proves to be reliable.... I would of had the mney within the next month or so, but an unexpected bill means that I'll have to wait a little longer! :(
Ben
Just more boost to see how far he could push it.. IHI turbo. Not K04.
heindsight eh Ben?
me too :p
Bill
turbo northener
08-03-2002, 08:28
Originally posted by CupraSi
Turbo Northerner, I am interested to see how your Jabba Sport Chip is going as I thought that nobody had it yet?
All going well and how much?
Cheers.
Si
very pleased so far - £330 well spent, 199BHP, 222 lb'ft torque.
runs dead smooth and the max torque is @ 3697RPM so you don't really need to change down very often. There is sometimes a bit of lag though which is very frustrating, other than that no problems at all.
Seriously thinking about the charge cooler which looked very stealthy - the plots of its power runs showed the torque reaching peak and staying there for much much longer which should really help acceleration.
can't wait till tomorrow - hence the 'best way to 60 thread'
Is Mike selling the charge coolers now? Last time I spoke he was still playing with the prototype and so it wasn't available to buy yet.
Any idea on price?
I'll give Mike a call later and see what he's been upto.
Ben
Just more boost to see how far he could push it.. IHI turbo. Not K04.
His sales sheet that I got at the PowerStation rolling road offers many different tuning stages including right upto a Stage 8 which is 475bhp using an IHI turbo!!! He even says that if you want even more power then to give him a call!!!!!
I think I'll go for 300bhp thanks.
Ben
ibizacupra
08-03-2002, 08:55
Originally posted by BenS1
His sales sheet that I got at the PowerStation rolling road offers many different tuning stages including right upto a Stage 8 which is 475bhp using an IHI turbo!!! He even says that if you want even more power then to give him a call!!!!!
I think I'll go for 300bhp thanks.
Ben
For big power and big boost, internal engine mods are mandatory.
Its good, but its not unburstable.
Had a friend who works for Audi say he has changed a few 1.8T engines in A4's, A6's which had thrown rods out of the side of the blocks !!!!!
Not all of them are bullet proof obviously.
Bill
hopkinsgm
08-03-2002, 13:48
Originally posted by ibizacupra
The F2 Seat Ibiza Kit cars cars had just about 300bhp in tarmac trim.... :)
...and were substantially stiffened - to make the most of that kind of power, some serious structural mods would be required I reckon. As you've said before, straight line speed is all well and good but a bit zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz after the novelty has worn off. Keeping speed through the corners is far more fun and makes for significantly improved pint to pint (sorry, meant point to point - but it is Friday after all!)/lap times. To do that first you need to make the car go round corners at higher road speeds and handle better and second be able to keep the power on. If the chassis is flexing all over the place when you put power down, you upset the handling and... well, I won't bore everyone else with it but will talk to you tomorrow at Brunty...
G
The bigger engine mds do have internal changes... for a start anything over 400bhp has extremely strong forged pistons.
Hopkinsgm, yes handling would also be on the shopping list but to be honest I don't plan on pushing the car to its limits around corners on the public roads... too many horses around the corners on the country roads etc. I'm bit of a boring safe driver on the public roads... I will accelerate hard on the straights but wont go far past the speed limit (OK, found myself hitting 120 on the motorway a couple of times in the past week.) and I don't normally floor it around corners. Bollox, ok so I do now that I think about it! ;)
Ben
ibizacupra
08-03-2002, 19:06
Originally posted by hopkinsgm
...and were substantially stiffened - to make the most of that kind of power, some serious structural mods would be required I reckon. As you've said before, straight line speed is all well and good but a bit zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz after the novelty has worn off. Keeping speed through the corners is far more fun and makes for significantly improved pint to pint (sorry, meant point to point - but it is Friday after all!)/lap times. To do that first you need to make the car go round corners at higher road speeds and handle better and second be able to keep the power on. If the chassis is flexing all over the place when you put power down, you upset the handling and... well, I won't bore everyone else with it but will talk to you tomorrow at Brunty...
G
I of all people don't need to be told that........ :D
How much the chassis actually flex's is a difficult thing to determin and its total effect on a road car on road suspension (and I include PSS9's in that) is debateable. In a full on race spec car with rose jointed suspension, no rubber compliance and high spring rate springs, then yes the chassis would be an integral element to the handling tuning.
300bhp does sound so good though... quite how and where you would get to use it on our public roads though... ;P
I really do quite like the idea of that power...
oh where are those winning lottery numbers?
regards
Bill
:)
I have read somewhere (APR spec sheet i think.) much more power over 400+BHP and the engines need rebuilding every 10K.Exspensive stuff that.I think APR know the engine limit's better than most, As they have been doing their own race spec engine's in the USA for a while now!! (APR = audi performance racing.)
ibizacupra
10-03-2002, 11:30
Originally posted by terry
I have read somewhere (APR spec sheet i think.) much more power over 400+BHP and the engines need rebuilding every 10K.Exspensive stuff that.I think APR know the engine limit's better than most, As they have been doing their own race spec engine's in the USA for a while now!! (APR = audi performance racing.)
I would'nt underestimate Mike Trulucks expertise.. He has been working with forced induction VAG cars for many years now.
Jabbasport (Mike Truluck) have been doing some superb work on 1.8T's and he does a very good job. I had the pleasure yesterday in driving their 382bhp Golf IV around Bruntingthorpe.... WOW! What can I say about that conversion. It drives better than my Oettinger'd Ibiza in power delivery terms, and can be driven as docile as you want it. Its ability to put the power down was amazing, given the spec and power figures.
SUPERB! I take my hat off Jabbasport. That is one hell of a motor and superbly mapped conversion. NICE :)
Gota get my Ibiza with that sort of power... It is so addictive. :)
regards
Bill
I was extremely impressed with that Golf yesterday, it shot past my mate and I (we were in a Scooby) like we were standing still!
Do you know exactly what mods had been done to the Golf?
ibizacupra
10-03-2002, 11:45
Originally posted by dreamer
I was extremely impressed with that Golf yesterday, it shot past my mate and I (we were in a Scooby) like we were standing still!
Do you know exactly what mods had been done to the Golf?
IHI Turbo conversion...
Best bet is to call Jabbasport.. http://www.jabbasport.com for full and accurate details.
It was one hell of a car.
The previous day at Bruntingthorpe I believe is did some tests for PVW magazine, 0-60 in 5.8s, 0-100 in 11s or something like that..
For a front wheel drive car thats some sort of performance.
When you hear 382bhp you think "undrivable" - How wrong you would be. :D GIG FUN! even BIGGER GRIN :D :D :D
I don't get excited (as anyone who knows me will know) but F#ck it that has left a lasting impression on me. Balls to 200(ish) bhp, I want 300(ish) bhp now... :)
Still makes me smile now thinking about it.
Woo hoo.
Bill
Bill you lucky *******... i was planning in having a go in that Golf as I was already planning to buy the 300bhp conversion from Jabbasport. I didn't get a chance to talk to them.... in fact I didn't see Mike at all.
For anyone thats interested, the Jabbasport conversion from 156bhp to 300bhp+ is expected to cost around £2000... that the same price as the RSD 210 conversion. BARGIN!!!!
So Bill, are you tempted? Or do you still want your warantee? :)
Ben
HI Bill i know mike's work is good (NO question !!) just that APR prep and support car's that are raced on the TRACK week in week out in USA . IN my humble opinion there's know better place to test a car, To make sure it can last the pace. IT must have been good fun to drive the golf,I just get a bit nervous when BHP 0-60 0-100 top speed and so on are talked about buy people.As for 0-100 for the golf in or around 11 secs thats quick ! (TVR Cerbraspeed six is 0-60 in 5 secs 0-100 11.4 secs top speed 160+ from a car that's 1130 KG with 350 BHP.) I just think from (some experience of owning , driving and racing.) A 300 BHP cossie would beat the golf hands down ,just in traction and converting that to speed up the track. The cossie with 300 BHP did seem to me to be faster than both 4 & 5 litre TVR chimera's the family has had. ( so in many way's i think the feeling of speed can be deceptive. because the cossie would never beat a 5 litre V8 TVR with 360 BHP to 60 or 100.) sorry if i have bored you !!
Richochet
10-03-2002, 22:45
got a std car :D but seriously considering a chip. APR seems to be the fav, how much? does it make a noticeable difference and how will it affect my warranty:confused:
sounds like i missed a good track day
matt
Hi Richochet, after having the APR chip the car feels great to drive (Dont have to rev to nuts off it to make good progress !!) Its also good once chipped after a week or so to reset it back to standard 156 BHP then you can tell the difference. All i would say is try some of the demo cars that some of the chipping firms have before you part with your cash. But me im well happy with mine. !!:cheers:
Originally posted by Richochet
got a std car :D but seriously considering a chip. APR seems to be the fav, how much? does it make a noticeable difference and how will it affect my warranty:confused:
sounds like i missed a good track day
matt
I had mine changed from Upsolute to Jabbasport on Friday. Had the adjustable boost controller fitted as well. Figures were 211BHP 220ft/lbs running on 95RON. The car was superb at Brunty and drives so much better with good progressive power.
Managed to keep with and pass APR's S3!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Wayne,
I am now serioulsy considering Jabba Sport, could you drop me a line and let me know how you are getting on and give us a bit more info?
Cheers.
Si
I must admit, my AmD chipped Ibiza pulled away on the straight from the APR Ibiza. He probably had more speed through the corner as well cos I'm shit :)
Originally posted by MikeS
I must admit, my AmD chipped Ibiza pulled away on the straight from the APR Ibiza. He probably had more speed through the corner as well cos I'm shit :)
Mike
Was that you I spoke to in the yellow one who'd had the bumpers sprayed, Kahn wheels.
Yep that was me. £150 for a new windscreen fitted aint bad :)
That crack is getting worse!
Originally posted by MikeS
Yep that was me. £150 for a new windscreen fitted aint bad :)
That crack is getting worse!
The crack in mine is as well. Havn't checked about a new one yet, but the front fog lamp is on order £47 inc VAT, which is about £40 cheaper than expected. Not sure about the paint for the front end though.
A good day well worth it, I've learnt a few lessons for next time.
Fast Ibiza
11-03-2002, 16:32
I have Upsolute chip 14.5psi... And this kicks a**. Got the chip“about a year a go , and it great no problems with the car or the ECU..... and the most importante part is that you can get it at a good price.
HP go“s from 156 to 192hp.
Fast Ibiza
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APR stage one chip is on the cards ASAP, has anyone noticed any difference in fuel consumption? I didn't buy the Ibiza to pootle round town in, but I don't want to see my fuel warning light come on every time I have a little fun,
Any thoughts guys?
If your going for the APR Stage 1, then if your not already, id stump up the extra for the Cruise Control option. Then you can take advantage of EMCS system, so you can switch between programs.
When you are tootling around town or stuck in slow traffic, drive the car in standard mode, so keeping your fuel economy to a maximum.
And switch back to race/chipped mode when you want to have fun. :)
The economy isnt a great deal worse than standard to be honest, but you find yourself lead footing it cause you enjoy the extra power you have, so inevitably end up getting thru the juice a little quicker.
But there isnt a vast effect on the economy really.
Originally posted by sausage
APR stage one chip is on the cards ASAP, has anyone noticed any difference in fuel consumption? I didn't buy the Ibiza to pootle round town in, but I don't want to see my fuel warning light come on every time I have a little fun,
Any thoughts guys?
What made you decide on APR? Jabbasport are local to you and their chip gives very similar results in power/torque to APRs even the curves are similar and you'd save a few hundred. I've got the Jabbasport chip and have seen no evidence that APRs is better and from 1st hand experience at the trackday definitely no better on the road.
As for cruise, can't you fit that to any car?
You can fit cruise to any Ibiza, but the EMCS is unique to APR.
Do you find any bearing on your economy Wayne?
I'd say mine is a little thirstier when its chipped, it was when it had the Oettinger too, but i like the fact i can go back to a standard setting now for my usual Mon to Fri rush hour slogs when im lucky to get above 30mph.
And switch into silly mode when im having fun at the weekends :D
Suppose its what your after really, Jabbasport for me is a bit of a distance, APR though based in Daventry have a main agent in Warrington, so if i have any problems i know support is close at hand to me.
Though seeing what Jabbasport have developed i am a little envious of some of the stuff Mike is developing, id really be interested in this charge cooler idea if he makes it work for a Leon too. :)
Originally posted by ZBOYD
You can fit cruise to any Ibiza, but the EMCS is unique to APR.
Do you find any bearing on your economy Wayne?
I'd say mine is a little thirstier when its chipped, it was when it had the Oettinger too, but i like the fact i can go back to a standard setting now for my usual Mon to Fri rush hour slogs when im lucky to get above 30mph.
And switch into silly mode when im having fun at the weekends :D
Suppose its what your after really, Jabbasport for me is a bit of a distance, APR though based in Daventry have a main agent in Warrington, so if i have any problems i know support is close at hand to me.
Though seeing what Jabbasport have developed i am a little envious of some of the stuff Mike is developing, id really be interested in this charge cooler idea if he makes it work for a Leon too. :)
I'm determining what effect on economy the chip has now. The Upsolute chip was averaging about 2-3mpg less than standard, but I haven't got any real fact on this one yet. It definetly is no worse. I got nearly 34mpg cruising between 75 and 85 on the way to Brunty which wasn't bad though. It seems very good at 40mph averaging in the high 40s mpg and again reasonable at 70ish giving mid 30s mpg.
Like you say though foot down give poor economy, but major smile factor achieved and surprise to other drivers especially with the rarity of Ibiza 20VTs around here. I think people assume it's a 1.4 or 1.6.
turbo northener
18-03-2002, 12:20
on the subject of economy - my jabba chip has improved it slightly all round, even when driving slightly quicker than previously and so i think there would be no benefit by changing back to the standard setting.
obviously if you are flooring it everywhere the economy disapears but in traffic i am no worse off.
tried superunleaded and optimax and they seemed to make no difference to either power or economy.
Yes you can fit cruise control to any Ibiza, no matter if its standard or modified. The Ibiza has all the ports etc necessary, all you need to do is get the stalk (Import) and plug it in and enable the feature on the ECU (I think its a little more fiddly than that.).
Amethyst do it... I had mine booked in to be done the day before the Powerstation Rolling Road day but the parts didn't arrive on time and I wasn't prepared to come back another day (300 mile round trip.).
Ben
Revo Mitchell
18-03-2002, 22:40
Where are you going Ben? if you are near Atlanta come and see us. Mark and Geoff (directors of APR Europe) are here in the States as well.
Cheers Mitchell,
Not sure where I'll be yet, probably all over the place... if I end up nearby then I'll drop in, but the US is a big place as I'm sure you know. ;)
Ben
Right Lads (and ladies) APR seem to be getting our business at the moment but I know the poll is not fully upto date so those still to cast a vote, please do.
I know from other threads there are a lot more Jabbasport chips out there and possibly more Upsolute, so let have it.
Upsolute 4 me. only been in a few day's but already very impressed:)
Numbers are rising and the underdogs seem to be creeping back.
Come on lets have your votes!!!
pstables
17-04-2002, 08:43
I *will* have a Jabbasport chip in 2 weeks time. Will post my vote then.