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Tavia4x4
18-03-2002, 16:07
Hey there...
hope you don't mind me signing up - don't own a Seat, but do own a VAG product.. ;)
Recently purchased a Skoda Octavia 1.8T 4x4 elegance estate, looking to remap \ rechip and Jabbasport are looking the most likely, anyone with any *direct* experiences of them?
I was at Brunty recently - a big pat in the back for the organisers on that one - was too late to get track time but spent the day is the passenger seat of the black RS, great day out.
So say Hi.... :D
Ian.
Hi,
No experiences - but all i can say is please please please buy teh 340bhp conversion & let me have a go in a 4wd one.
that is all :D
M
(pat on back gratefully received)
Tavia4x4
18-03-2002, 17:38
Certainly - do you want to send me a cheque or pay Jabbasport direct? ;)
Looking for 200bhp or thereabouts to start with, then we'll see how we go from there, can't do anything that is obvious, want to keep it looking stock.
Ian.
Still, should be nice...
Just a shame you can't screw with the torque bias so the back end comes out :D
Originally posted by Tavia4x4
can't do anything that is obvious, want to keep it looking stock.
Welcome aboard Ian.
I can't wait for the look on some poor Audi drivers face when you leave them standing in a 'standard' car...nice! :D
This isn't supposed to sound derogatory, just knowing how snobby people can be to a SEAT. After seeing that RS fly at Brunty I was well impressed with Skoda.
Cheers
Andy
Tavia4x4
19-03-2002, 09:24
Cheers, I very *nearly* bought a Leon Cupra, but I had a Citroen ZX before (similar size) and needed something bigger. I think the snobby factor we sometimes get towards Seat \ Skoda is usually by those with VW \ Audi, everyone else just sees the same quality and engineering but at a cheaper price.
Should be quite a surprise to some drivers to see a stock Octavia Estate disappear :D
IC
Hi
nice to see other vag drivers use this forum actually. glad to have more people with different setups to contribute to site, makes it more interesting. tbh i got a 2.0 8v beeza at mo and have had serious thought about a skoda when i replace it, just waiting for them to stick the 1.8t in a fabia - now that would be a fun car and cheap. c'mon skoda do it please please please.
Hi
as said by others, it is nice to see someone with something else than a SEAT.
But I have to reply on the snobby... Everyone in my company, owning a more expensive (if they bought it new i.e. Saab 9000) or not owning a car at all, and friends all have something to say about my Toledo when I brought showed it (with all my pride). Thing like "Didn't have more money" or "Well I sell it and but something else" I still don't know what is wrong with a car of GOOD quality at a resonable price? I have got one of the most expensive cars on the lot, here at the office, but they only see "SEAT" and well that is probably enough to say "IT'S SH!T"
Well they are probably just jealous because they dont have a car or much features (Folding mirrors,Front arm rest,everything electrical). I say SEAT Rulezzz (and also Skoda)
So have you seen the Skoda Tudor???
Tis is really interesting... (introduced @ Genève)
This image comes from the 'AutoWeek' site (Dutch) I also included the image in my post. But I didnt know how to put it in the message?
http://www.autoweek.nl/images/Articles/825/tudor1.jpg
Tavia4x4
Did you get my reply to your message?
I followed the RS around for one session at Brunty, you may have seen me.
i want one of those!!!!! that looks well smart, nice job skoda :D
to be honest the tudor is lovely.....:D
wouldnt think twice if i was thinking of getting one or never had mine.
doesnt it look like SEAT's Bolero???
also intreduced in Geneva.
:cheers:
I would say that the Skoda RS is prob better than any VW Golf you can buy right now any way - and theres the price as well !!!!:cool:
There's a few more Skoda Tudor (http://autozine.kyul.net/0_News/Archive/2002_03/News.htm) piccies here.
:cheers:
Skoda4x4
15-04-2002, 19:46
Hello,
I also own a Skoda Octavia 1.8t 4x4, its a hatchback.
I am interested in tuning to around 250bhp so I can scare some audis and shrug off the usual nova boys in there 1.4's.
I am having some trouble though. I have looked at various sites and am unsure which information to believe.
I am interested to here from anyone who has actually got a substantial ( 50bhp + ) tuning kit, and who from and reliability.
Does anyone out ther know the engine codes/ variances of the 1.8t engines ? I have a ARX. My
Oh Impossible Performance, has anyone got anything from them. E-mailed them about a dump valve and possibbly spending £2200 from them but never got a reply. Shame they missed out.
SKODA4X4
Hello skoda4x4
cant really comment or help regarding tuning
but the 1.8T comes in diffrent flavours
all in all its the same basic engine with two types
the longitudal and the newer transerve claimes to have just
alittle bit more potential and fited on late 01' models onwards
i suspect.
other variations are not specifically with the engine but with
the surroundings and the mapping
for example twin intercooler instead of one on 210+ stock engines
and enhanced manifold and also a rumor about a diffrent turbo
fitted and new engines (VW's code for them is AWW)
its a ko3 with a ko4 impeller as i understood and with the right
setup can get you up to 245bhp safely,anything more is considered risky according to tuners.
pure logic will tell that ALL 1.8T are basically capable of the same
required output but some of them will require alittle more work,
and probebly money.
just my thought based on facts,as one tuner here told me
that cars fitted with 4x4 are limited too never giving me a reason
and was talking about the Golf V6 4motion.
anyway i wish you good luck and suggest that if you going to spend alot of money on the car make sure you give it to the right
hands and thats all that matters.
peace
Originally posted by Skoda4x4
Hello,
I also own a Skoda Octavia 1.8t 4x4, its a hatchback.
I am interested in tuning to around 250bhp so I can scare some audis and shrug off the usual nova boys in there 1.4's.
I am having some trouble though. I have looked at various sites and am unsure which information to believe.
I am interested to here from anyone who has actually got a substantial ( 50bhp + ) tuning kit, and who from and reliability.
Does anyone out ther know the engine codes/ variances of the 1.8t engines ? I have a ARX. My
Oh Impossible Performance, has anyone got anything from them. E-mailed them about a dump valve and possibbly spending £2200 from them but never got a reply. Shame they missed out.
SKODA4X4
Try Jabbasport 01733 211779.
They can remap to around 210BHP or if your looking at spending £2kish you can look at their turbo conversions 300BHP+. Very reliable as well, they have a 380BHP golf used as an every day car with no problems. Give them a ring and Mike will tell you all you need to know. Great service!!!
Well mine was the Black RS, to those who saw me, I might have seen you. Were you the one in the SEAT? Whose was the stripped out yellowish one? That was quick! There were some mighty fast Ibizas there, most impressed. You seemed to go round corners better than me, but I shall hopefully have an answer to that next week :D. Power has now been increased to about 230 from the 218 I had then, so its a wee bit quicker now. Just thought I'd pop in and say hi. To Skoda4x4 (not TaviaAmbulance, sorry 4x4) why don't you ask over on vwvortex in the Skoda forum?
Ian, just go to Jabbasport and quit fafing about like an old woman!:D
Originally posted by TaviaRS
Well mine was the Black RS, to those who saw me, I might have seen you. Were you the one in the SEAT?
Mine was the silver Ibiza, Jabbasport side window stickers, grey OZ rims, followed you around a while one session
What mod have you had done for the extra power?
I've had a full Milltek exhaust system fitted. Gained 15 BHP and 35 lb/ft torque. I'm absolutely amazed at what changing the downpipe and CAT makes :D
Originally posted by TaviaRS
I've had a full Milltek exhaust system fitted. Gained 15 BHP and 35 lb/ft torque. I'm absolutely amazed at what changing the downpipe and CAT makes :D
What bore pipe is that, as they do 2 for the Ibiza. Does that include down pipe? Can you feel the difference, pick up etc.
Hi,
Have already spoken to Jabbasport and have decided thats the place to go. ( only 20 miles from my house )
They have around 11 mapping tables to try out and seem to know what they are talking about. All for the measly sum of £300........Has to be done.
Im off there in 2 weeks time, cant wait opting for the 210-215bhp
or there abouts. Around 5 hrs to set up on the rolling road and Bobs your uncle.
If you dont like the setup they will change it for free!!
Bargain or what.
Graham:D
Originally posted by Gnig
Hi,
Have already spoken to Jabbasport and have decided thats the place to go. ( only 20 miles from my house )
They have around 11 mapping tables to try out and seem to know what they are talking about. All for the measly sum of £300........Has to be done.
Im off there in 2 weeks time, cant wait opting for the 210-215bhp
or there abouts. Around 5 hrs to set up on the rolling road and Bobs your uncle.
If you dont like the setup they will change it for free!!
Bargain or what.
Graham:D
Top choice, you won't regret it. I find my car is superb and in my opinion as the factory should have done it.
pstables
01-05-2002, 11:10
My Leon was done there on Monday.
233bhp and 237ft/lb torque (on Optimax)
It pulls like a train.
I'm very happy.
Originally posted by pstables
My Leon was done there on Monday.
233bhp and 237ft/lb torque (on Optimax)
It pulls like a train.
I'm very happy.
Good output, I think they're the first Leon figures I've seen from Jabbasport.
The Octavia RS should be similar then, I would have thought.
233 BHP !!!!!!!
:eek:
/me is shocked
Originally posted by Saul
233 BHP !!!!!!!
:eek:
/me is shocked
210ish BHP with an Ibiza
aye i know, u showed me ur plots :D
just cant understand that figure with the leons turbo
good figs all the same
:cheers:
Torque is roughly the same as a car running lower bhp, though, cause mine produced 230 plus lbft of Torque, just the BHP was around 208bhp.
No doubts there though impressive figures, but Mike knows his stuff and does like to tweak em to the max :)
Good result, im still wondering if his charge cooler idea will find its way to the Leon, does anyone know if he has got to a stage now where he's offering it as a product or is he still testing on the Ibiza??
I know the Jabbasport 300bhp conversion costs around 3k, but does anyone know how much their K04 conversion costs, and what sort of output it give (On an Ibiza)?
Cheers
Ben
pstables
01-05-2002, 13:25
I asked Mike about extra chargecooling and he said the Leon was pretty good already. The Ibiza has more restrictive airflow, smaller turbo and smaller intercooler hence not as good power gains.
Mike also said the gains with adding a KKK04 from the TT would be marginal (on a Leon).
Mine is the 2nd Leon they have done, the other one had similar power once he'd finished.
Very nice, you'll have to pop along to one of our NW meets one time, love to meet you and have a chat about it in detail.
Your very welcome to join us anytime and we don't bite. :)
We usually announce it in advance anyway.
Drop me a line at zboyd@seatcupra.net i can let you know by email if you miss any meetup announcements.
Originally posted by BenS1
I know the Jabbasport 300bhp conversion costs around 3k, but does anyone know how much their K04 conversion costs, and what sort of output it give (On an Ibiza)?
Cheers
Ben
I recon the K04 will be the cost of the turbo £750ish plus fitting as it will probably fit the K03 inlet/outlet. Mike was putting a K04 from their Golf onto his Ibiza when I spoke to him in March.
Power about 240BHP I believe.
pstables
01-05-2002, 14:24
Zboyd,
I have been meaning to pop along to one of the Trafford Centre meets for a while, just never got round to it (I'm a lazy ba**ard).
I will come along to one eventually.
Mike also said that the 1 bar remap really wasn't pushing it too much! He compared my RR plot with one from their Golf with the IHI Turbo (stock apart from that) and it's mental. It was only running 1.25bar of boost and generating 380bhp! It's because of purely flowing more air and breathing properly.
Paul
CustardCupra
01-05-2002, 17:56
Originally posted by whelme
I recon the K04 will be the cost of the turbo £750ish plus fitting as it will probably fit the K03 inlet/outlet. Mike was putting a K04 from their Golf onto his Ibiza when I spoke to him in March.
Power about 240BHP I believe. Last time i spoke to Mike he quoted £1200 approx for kkko4 and remap ,240bhp on IBIZA
Jools
£1200 including remap, sounds good, but is 240bhp enough? ;)
I'd love to have the full 300bhp, but money is looking a bit tight at the moment. Also, even when I do have enough for the 300bhp conversion, I wont be able to afford replacement gearboxes etc if they can't handle it.
I think I'll have a go in thier Ibiza demo car with the 240bhp conversion.
Cheers
Ben
CustardCupra
01-05-2002, 20:06
Originally posted by BenS1
£1200 including remap, sounds good, but is 240bhp enough? ;)
I'd love to have the full 300bhp, but money is looking a bit tight at the moment. Also, even when I do have enough for the 300bhp conversion, I wont be able to afford replacement gearboxes etc if they can't handle it.
I think I'll have a go in thier Ibiza demo car with the 240bhp conversion.
Cheers
Ben IMHO 240bhp is going to be enough for road use only . 300bhp @ £3000 + is alot of wedge but more suited to the track day boyz ( you know who you are !!!)
Jools
Ah, but heres the trick.... it comes with a boost controller, so you can adjust the boost to give you something like 240-250 on min boost (0.5 bar), upto 380bhp on max at 1.1bar of boost.... but thats on the Golf, which has a bigger port head apparently, the Ibiza will be good for about 300-340bhp at 1.1bar of boost.
So, you have a road car and a track car! :)
Ben
CustardCupra
01-05-2002, 20:30
Originally posted by BenS1
Ah, but heres the trick.... it comes with a boost controller, so you can adjust the boost to give you something like 240-250 on min boost (0.5 bar), upto 380bhp on max at 1.1bar of boost.... but thats on the Golf, which has a bigger port head apparently, the Ibiza will be good for about 300-340bhp at 1.1bar of boost.
So, you have a road car and a track car! :)
Ben Very true , have considerd this option myself but @ £3000 would have to sell the wife and kids into slavery ,
£1200 is a more reosonable price and with 240bhp youre gonna waste most cars anyway.
(Selling the wife and kids into slavery does't really seem too unreasonable the more i think about it ........Oh hum!!!!! :devil: )
:cheers: Jools
I'd sell the wife and kids if I had them! :)
Really I want about 260-270bhp... I think the 300bhp conversion is closest! :)
Ben
CustardCupra
01-05-2002, 20:43
Originally posted by BenS1
I'd sell the wife and kids if I had them! :)
Really I want about 260-270bhp... I think the 300bhp conversion is closest! :)
Ben For Sale 1 Wife / 2 kids , 1 careful owner !!!!!
If you can find a buyer first ben can pay you commision and we'll both have the Jabbasport 300+ bhp !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Jools:cheers:
:cheers:
I'll put the word around.
:D
Ben
Hi Guys, this is my first post.
I'm buying a 2001 Ibiza Cupra tomorrow. I'll get it chipped next week (probably by JABBA). Can anyone tell me what 0 to 60 time i can expect with 210bhp? Also, will the fuel consumption be really poor, even when off-boost?
Any information grayefully received.
Welcome to the forums Crispy
Good choice on ur car, 0-60 in the mid 6's
Fuel concumption, how heavy are u with the right foot? i get 35-37 mpg on m/ways, if i batter it around the lanes, around 22-24mpg
just keep an eye on ur 40 litre tank ;)
:cheers:
Thanks for the rapid reply.
I currently drive a 16valve Calibra Ecotec. I do 110 miles on the motorway each and every weekday (round trip to work). I get about 400 miles to £45 of fuel. I'm heavy on the right foot, but i go try to keep below 3000rpm on the m'way. Mid 6's sounds perfect (have to trey to keep up with my mate's 300bhp Sunny GTiR!!). The mpg that you've quoted is very good for that performance - better than i get on my Calibra!!
No probs Crispy
Theres a track day going on at Curborough in Lichfield, Staffs.
Get urself down, meet other forum members and have a laugh, its one car on track at a time (small sprint circuit) but its real good fun.
Top day out.
pimping it here then :)
http://homepage.ntlworld.com/mphelps/curby/
M
Originally posted by Crispy
Hi Guys, this is my first post.
I'm buying a 2001 Ibiza Cupra tomorrow. I'll get it chipped next week (probably by JABBA). Can anyone tell me what 0 to 60 time i can expect with 210bhp? Also, will the fuel consumption be really poor, even when off-boost?
Any information grayefully received.
As Saul say fuel economy is down to you, but my economy is the same or slightly better than it was standard with the Jabbasport chip, approx. 32ish. Incidendly my previous Cavalier 16V Sri (red top engine) averaged 37mpg on same journeys, probably thrashing around more.
Jabbasport is the best choice in my oppinion!!
Have Jabbasport got a website?
http://www.jabbasport.com/
cunning URL :D
But their website is pretty useless... most pages have said "Under Construction" for ages now! Give them a call though, Mike is really helpful, friendly and he knows his stuff.
My Ibiza with 210bhp conversion has been timed 0-60 of 6.5 seconds on a single run, and it wasn't a perfect start so I recon that its good for 6.1 seconds which is the tuners claimed figures.
Unfortunately you wont have a chance against a 300bhp GTi-R... even when I get my 300bhp conversion (For Jabbasport) I doubt it would beat a 4wd GTiR of the same power. :(
Ben
ibizacupra
03-05-2002, 16:08
Originally posted by BenS1
Unfortunately you wont have a chance against a 300bhp GTi-R... even when I get my 300bhp conversion (For Jabbasport) I doubt it would beat a 4wd GTiR of the same power. :(
Ben
Probably not off the line but when rolling.. :D
What spec was the GTi-R at Bruntingthorpe?
I remembver chasing it around... pretty close, but it did pull away slightly down the straight from memory.
Bill
I think thay are around 240bhp as standard!!!
Ben
ibizacupra
04-05-2002, 17:53
Originally posted by BenS1
I think thay are around 240bhp as standard!!!
Ben
The GTiR at Bruntingthorpe was'nt standard from memory.
Don't know the spec though.. Anyone?
Bill
CustardCupra
04-05-2002, 18:44
Originally posted by BenS1
I think thay are around 240bhp as standard!!!
Ben Sunny GTiR 220 bhp , quick but not unbeatable .
Similar characteristics as ScOOBY , lightning acceleration upto 100 then steady away upto 140 . raced a couple of standard GTiR s on " private road " off a roundabout doing 50 ish and the beeza hung in there ,
Would like to think 300bhp BEEZA V 300bhp SUNNY from rolling start would win :D :D :D
:D JOOLS:D
Maybe we will see. :)
Ben
Well, as I stated in an earlier post I want to have my car rebuild by Jabbsport. They say that the Golf 380 bhp conversion gives around 350 bhp on the Beezer.
But even though the Jabbasport guy told me that there won't be any extra wear.. I am still abit affraid that it does give extra wear on my engine.. I use my car for sprints and for every day use... and if I have to replace my engine after 100K kilometers.. damn.. that would be a wast... so.. what is your thoughts about this guys? I really wanna have 350 bhp.. and I even want to come to your great country for it hehehe
-Alf
Dunno, i read from a book "Maximum Boost" that a good conversion would reduce an engines life by about 10% if you double the engine power.
The one concern I now have s that i phoned Richardsons today (A Seat dealership that do major mods) and they said that they now only mod Ibizas upto 210bhp and not 240bh as they did before because the chasis is likely to bend from the torque with over 210bhp!!!!
Mike from Jabbasport told me that there would be no extra mods to the chassis for the 350 bhp conversion since the turbo divides the powers over the complete rev scale (if I said that right heh)
dumb question - but how many ibiza chassis have they bent?
not questioning them as I get on well with paul especially - but just wondered.
M
LOL.. it is not like.. I call them and ask.. "Hi.. I want to know something about the 350 bhp conversion.. How much does it cost? Does it have any extra wear? How does it affect my chassis? Oh.. and how many chassis' have YOU guys actually bend to come to the conclusion your mod is safe?"
*grin* At least that is not MY usual question to ask.. dunno about you guys ;)
-Alf
Originally posted by BenS1
The one concern I now have s that i phoned Richardsons today (A Seat dealership that do major mods) and they said that they now only mod Ibizas upto 210bhp and not 240bh as they did before because the chasis is likely to bend from the torque with over 210bhp!!!!
I'd say that it depends on the driver. The kind of torque reaction that leads to chassis twisting occurs when f**kwits put their foot to the floor in a 'snap' motion. i.e. not being progressive with the throttle. Of course, no garage can control how Max Ret@rds drive the cars so it's simpler to not give them the opportunity - saves on warranty claims?
Judging by the posts on this forum, there are maybe 5-10 people that I'd sit in the passenger side with. Bill and Toonman are two of them.
I was thinking about the chassis bending / twisting thing.
Years back when Nova's were rallied by works teams they had huge plates welded to the front of them to keep it together - hence you see some of the high powered turbo nova's literally 'ripping themselves to bits'. Having said that - a n/a 1.6 isn't going to have god killing torque
Now before I get flamed - I'm sure that in 15 years people build their cars stronger & also I'm sure that not a single one of you would even consider welding a plate onto your new Ibiza's undertray!
I'd have thought you would pop engine mounts if not uprated. Too much torque rocking in the engine bay etc.
Just a few thoughts
M
PS Glenn - we're not all screwloose behind the wheel :)
Originally posted by MarkP
I'd have thought you would pop engine mounts if not uprated. Too much torque rocking in the engine bay etc.
That's what happens to VR6's and then they crack the exhaust downpipe (£250).
Originally posted by MarkP
PS Glenn - we're not all screwloose behind the wheel
You don't have to be a Max Muppet to be a sh*t road driver - you can tell an awful lot about people by the way they compose their posts. An immature attitude comes across in the way they phrase things and that, like it or not, transfers to their driving.
BTW, I perceive myself as a sh*t driver but on paper credentials, I'm apparently light years ahead of 80% of the driving population?
Head for cover - that one will be unpopular.
BUT.
back to too much torque.... or wherever it started (avoiding conflict :D )
It's the same as any mods I guess - it's an all or nothing job - where uprated engine mounts would would be included? or a heavily damped throttle? Joke.
I'm just having images of huge V8's rocking & then seeing an Ibiza do it too!
M
ibizacupra
08-05-2002, 08:19
I asked the same question re torque and the engines mountings on such a high powered motor.
I break motor mounts on my 16v Jetta with just a couple of hundred bhp and 152lb/ft of torque.
The Jabbasport Golf did seem to have quite a large torque reaction at Bruntingthorpe down the main straight, where I had to steer left to drive straight. Engine mounts were the cause in my mind on that one, but can be remedied by sourcing alternate ones and or fitting an additional torque reaction bar like some guys in the US do on their Golfs. (vwVortex for more info)
With that kind of power, you are bound to accelerate wear and tear on other components, so I would advise going into this with your eyes open, expecting other things to be needing attention.
Breakages will be very much dependant on how it will be driven of course, but with 300+bhp you are goign to want to use it, unless it scares you! (which it may well do)
regards
Bill
I spoke to my mate about this, he has a Golf which was once a 1.3, then a GTi and now he has added a Turbo. Its 'only' about 170bhp but he has creases in the roof caused by the torque.
Also, I read from the ENCAP crash tests that they are concerned about the build quality of the chasis in a accident (Probably why they have moved over to lazer welding for the new car). This leads me to wonder if the Ibiza is going to be able to handle the power.
When I phoned Richardsons I was actually asking about the 240bhp upgrade they do for the Ibiza, to which they replied that they no longer do the 240bhp upgrade and only offer a 210bhp upgrade. They said that this was because they have had discussions with Seat HQ and found that the chasis would not be able to handle the torque from the 240bhp conversion and would bend!
Now, if thats with 240bhp I didn't even mention the 300-350bhp conversion from Jabbasport!!!
BTW, has anyone actually driven the 240bhp Ibiza from Jabbasport? Would 240bhp actually feel a lot faster than my '210'bhp? I'm beginning to think that 240 may be the best option. :(
Thanks
Ben
ibizacupra
09-05-2002, 13:29
Originally posted by BenS1
I spoke to my mate about this, he has a Golf which was once a 1.3, then a GTi and now he has added a Turbo. Its 'only' about 170bhp but he has creases in the roof caused by the torque.
Also, I read from the ENCAP crash tests that they are concerned about the build quality of the chasis in a accident (Probably why they have moved over to lazer welding for the new car). This leads me to wonder if the Ibiza is going to be able to handle the power.
When I phoned Richardsons I was actually asking about the 240bhp upgrade they do for the Ibiza, to which they replied that they no longer do the 240bhp upgrade and only offer a 210bhp upgrade. They said that this was because they have had discussions with Seat HQ and found that the chasis would not be able to handle the torque from the 240bhp conversion and would bend!
Now, if thats with 240bhp I didn't even mention the 300-350bhp conversion from Jabbasport!!!
BTW, has anyone actually driven the 240bhp Ibiza from Jabbasport? Would 240bhp actually feel a lot faster than my '210'bhp? I'm beginning to think that 240 may be the best option. :(
Thanks
Ben
I drove it when it had its K04 on but not mapped for it. Some more mid and top end but not "oh my god" fast my any means. Need to retry it when its mapped for it. Probably like that by now.
Creases in the roof from the power on your mates Golf?
Whats so different between the shells then? Not a lot if anything. Something else is likely up with the car to cause creases. My Jetta runs over 200bhp where it started as 139bhp and the shell is identical to a 1.3 model.
Would 300bhp be OTT in the Ibiza? Probably.
I still want one. challenge to tame the beast! :D
regards
Bill
CustardCupra
09-05-2002, 16:36
All this talk about the extra torque twisting the chassie . on the Jabbasport 240bhp upgrade , i'm sure Mike Truluck told me the torque on this converion wouldn't be much more than what i'm getting now (AMD 193/ 232 ) it's mainly an increase in BHP (240 )..
Could be wrong though?????
Jools
Bill,
My mates Golf is a Mk2 and its its rusty as hell!!!
I too would love 300bhp+ but it seems like its not a simple buy the conversion and its done type job. It appears that you need to buy lots of extra stuff (engine mounts, torque reaction bar, clutch etc), and i can't afford all that. :(
Bit of a childish question, but at Brunty the Scoobys were only a little faster than my Ibiza on the straight, so do you think that the Jabbasport K04 Ibiza could out accelerate the Scoobys on the straight? I'm only asking so that i can try and get a feel for the amount of power we are talking about.
I wonder if Jabbasport do anything between 240bhp and the 300+bhp conversion. Is there much that can be done after fitting the K04 to give a little extra power? Maybe to take the car upto about 250-260bhp.... I'll have to give them a call.
Ben
All this talk about the extra torque twisting the chassie . on the Jabbasport 240bhp upgrade , i'm sure Mike Truluck told me the torque on this converion wouldn't be much more than what i'm getting now (AMD 193/ 232 ) it's mainly an increase in BHP (240 )..
Could be wrong though?????
You could be right, but thats with the 240bhp conversion. I'm more concerned about the torque from the 300+bhp conversion!
Ben
ibizacupra
10-05-2002, 20:53
Originally posted by BenS1
Bill,
My mates Golf is a Mk2 and its its rusty as hell!!!
I too would love 300bhp+ but it seems like its not a simple buy the conversion and its done type job. It appears that you need to buy lots of extra stuff (engine mounts, torque reaction bar, clutch etc), and i can't afford all that. :(
Bit of a childish question, but at Brunty the Scoobys were only a little faster than my Ibiza on the straight, so do you think that the Jabbasport K04 Ibiza could out accelerate the Scoobys on the straight? I'm only asking so that i can try and get a feel for the amount of power we are talking about.
I wonder if Jabbasport do anything between 240bhp and the 300+bhp conversion. Is there much that can be done after fitting the K04 to give a little extra power? Maybe to take the car upto about 250-260bhp.... I'll have to give them a call.
Ben
As it was close between the Scoobies and our cars at Brunters I think the K04 would have bridged the gap personally from my drive of the non-mapped K04 on Jabbasports Ibiza.
With decent induction and perhaps largre bore exhaust and or downpipe I think you should be able to eak out a little more from the little turbo.
As for the other mods req'd for the 300+bhp route, you are right in thinking it does'nt end there. Other mods are part of my consideration as a whole. Still going for it though, just a load of wonga as you say.
regards
Bill
I done a couple of 1/4 mile sprints yesterday at GTI International and found that my main problem is not power, but traction. On my 1st run my front left just span and smoked whilst the front right didn't spin at all.... easing off the accelerator and reapplying didn't help. This is exactly what happened on my quater mile run at Bruntingthorpe.... so much for EDS!!! Anyway, as a result I got a crap run of 7.4 seconds to 60! :o !!!! Whoops.
Second run I accelerated very carefully in 1st with no wheelspin at all and managed to get a 0-60 of 6.5 seconds. Not bad, but theres much more potential there.... if I had more time I would of done a few mre runs.
Also, the 380bhp Jabbasport car look excellent on the 1/4 mile but again they had real problems with traction (not surprising!).
Anyway, back to the point, traction... firstly I need wider wheels/tyres... I'm still on the standard 195 width tyres that came with the car. Next I'm probably gonna get the racelogic traction control as the standard traction control isn't any good (Especially in 1st gear), and next I'm gonna get the Quaife ATB Diff! :) I think that will be about all you can do with a front wheel drive car. Only £600 for the Quaife ATB Diff (Providing it fits in the Ibiza).
After that I think I'll be looking at the extra power.
Saw you Bill having some fun on the Yoko handling track :) ... did you do a circuit in your Eagle F1s and then again in the Yokos? If so, how did they compare?
Cheers
Ben
PS. Jabbasport didn't have a stall did they? If they did then i couldn't find it!!!
ibizacupra
13-05-2002, 08:15
Originally posted by BenS1
I done a couple of 1/4 mile sprints yesterday at GTI International and found that my main problem is not power, but traction. On my 1st run my front left just span and smoked whilst the front right didn't spin at all.... easing off the accelerator and reapplying didn't help. This is exactly what happened on my quater mile run at Bruntingthorpe.... so much for EDS!!! Anyway, as a result I got a crap run of 7.4 seconds to 60! :o !!!! Whoops.
Second run I accelerated very carefully in 1st with no wheelspin at all and managed to get a 0-60 of 6.5 seconds. Not bad, but theres much more potential there.... if I had more time I would of done a few mre runs.
Also, the 380bhp Jabbasport car look excellent on the 1/4 mile but again they had real problems with traction (not surprising!).
Anyway, back to the point, traction... firstly I need wider wheels/tyres... I'm still on the standard 195 width tyres that came with the car. Next I'm probably gonna get the racelogic traction control as the standard traction control isn't any good (Especially in 1st gear), and next I'm gonna get the Quaife ATB Diff! :) I think that will be about all you can do with a front wheel drive car. Only £600 for the Quaife ATB Diff (Providing it fits in the Ibiza).
After that I think I'll be looking at the extra power.
Saw you Bill having some fun on the Yoko handling track :) ... did you do a circuit in your Eagle F1s and then again in the Yokos? If so, how did they compare?
Cheers
Ben
PS. Jabbasport didn't have a stall did they? If they did then i couldn't find it!!!
Hi Ben.
£600 for the diff and then plus fitting. My guess is £1000-£1200 for the full job. did you get a price of this fitted? Who from?
I did run my poor old Eagles a lot of times on Saturday as I did'nt want the risk of damage from them trying to jack my car up. Its a bit low :p
Sunday I ran on my tyres and theirs (AVS Sport) but the Yokos did seem a little better I have to say in the dry when warmed up. I did run without ABS also which felt much better on track to me. Sussed that out now. :D
Good 2 days overall.
My best 0-60 was 6.9s Ben so I confirm my crapness at standing starts :rolleyes: 1/4 mile in 15.19s best though.
Probably the slowest of all of you. (in a straight line)
I only ran twice as 1/4 miles are not my deal, but it was interesting to do it once. My Jetta did 0-60 in 6.8 and 1/4 mile in 15.3 so the times are similar in overall grunt vs weight which seems about right.
regards
Bill
AVS Sports are a bit pricey though, aren't they?
I had AVSs on my 16v Golf in 1991 and they were superb in wet and dry right down to legal limit and I used to give it some in my younger days, lost most of my bottle now plus some wise experience gained over the years.
I didn't think they made AVS Sport tyres in a size that would fit on an Ibiza! What size were they Bill?
Also, how did you disable ABS, disconnect the sensors?
The Quaife diff is from TSR Performance, about to phone to confirm that it will fit and how much it would cost in total (It is an O2J gearbox right?).
Despite getting a 0-60 of 6.5 seconds I only got a 1/4 mile of 15.4 seconds!!! :( The engine feels like its not so powerful after a few seconds of hard running, could this be because of the Inlet Charge Temp rising and the intercooler being too small to cope? If so then I think its time for a charge cooler.
Also, its very difficult to know when to change gear on the Ibiza... normally I would take the revs into the red, but the Ibiza runs out of puff at high revs (K03 being to restrictive?) so I tend to change at about 5750rpm... what about you?
Cheers
Ben
ibizacupra
13-05-2002, 13:21
Originally posted by BenS1
I didn't think they made AVS Sport tyres in a size that would fit on an Ibiza! What size were they Bill?
Also, how did you disable ABS, disconnect the sensors?
The Quaife diff is from TSR Performance, about to phone to confirm that it will fit and how much it would cost in total (It is an O2J gearbox right?).
Despite getting a 0-60 of 6.5 seconds I only got a 1/4 mile of 15.4 seconds!!! :( The engine feels like its not so powerful after a few seconds of hard running, could this be because of the Inlet Charge Temp rising and the intercooler being too small to cope? If so then I think its time for a charge cooler.
Also, its very difficult to know when to change gear on the Ibiza... normally I would take the revs into the red, but the Ibiza runs out of puff at high revs (K03 being to restrictive?) so I tend to change at about 5750rpm... what about you?
Cheers
Ben
The AVS Sports were in the right size Ben. 195-45-16's
Give Autotechnic a call for a Quiafe also. They fit and rebuild a lot of g'boxes in house. Did my Jetta with mods :D 2nd quote if nothing else.
Tel: 02380 0****** (pimp mode)
I guess my top end 1/4 mile is maybe enhanced by my Hurricane Induction (or maybe pot luck and timing gear errors) The Hurricane does flow more air top end than stock.
I changed at the rev limiter in 1st, nearly the rev limiter in 2nd and 3rd. Slight dead spot on gearchange though... hmmm
:rolleyes:
Steve 3961>> How did you get on.
I think Chungster got the quickest times. :)
regards
Bill
The AVS Sports were in the right size Ben. 195-45-16's
Are they road legal or track only?
Give Autotechnic a call for a Quiafe also. They fit and rebuild a lot of g'boxes in house. Did my Jetta with mods 2nd quote if nothing else.
Tel: 02380 0****** (pimp mode)
Cheers, I'll give em a bell tommorow.
:cheers:
I guess my top end 1/4 mile is maybe enhanced by my Hurricane Induction (or maybe pot luck and timing gear errors) The Hurricane does flow more air top end than stock.
Maybe. After the Blitz I've decided that induction kits just arn't worth it. Maybe your figures prove otherwise.
I think Chungster got the quickest times.
Really? Lees got a reputation for driving like a grandad (In his own words). Do you know what times he was getting?
ibizacupra
13-05-2002, 19:45
Originally posted by BenS1
Are they road legal or track only?
- Road tyres, no problem.
Originally posted by BenS1
Maybe. After the Blitz I've decided that induction kits just arn't worth it. Maybe your figures prove otherwise.
- It seem sto work for me on the dyno tests I have done with it.
Originally posted by BenS1
Really? Lees got a reputation for driving like a grandad (In his own words). Do you know what times he was getting? - I think he has been practising at the traffic lights a lot :D - Only kidding. The claimed 6.1s is some sort of time to get to though. I don't have the knack. Not my scene after all.
regards
Bill
redcupra
14-05-2002, 12:16
Hi folks, just thought I would add my thoughts on the matter.
I already have the 210RSD conversion, and have been thinking of upgrading to the 240 conversion, have spoken to both RSD and Jabba (Mike) about this. Firstly RSD are fairly worried about doing this conversion on the Ibiza due to its handling ability, especially at higher speeds, there golf I have driven with said conversion is not noticiably quicker away from the line, but it revs for longer and has a better and more stable top end. Mike @ Jabbasport gave me more detailed info, he said that basically the limit you can go with the Ibiza before spending serious cash is 240, because this is the highest boost you can run on the standard injectors, you can go higher but would need to replace the injectors (TT ones). Also any higher and other areas of the vehicle take to much strain, engine mounts, clutch, suspension parts etc, etc.
I was at GTI international on Saturday, and saw Jabba's conversion there, it has had fuel boost turned up, and sported a new intercooler (chargecooler?? Bill?) in this mode, but with standard exhaust it did 0-60 6.17 and the quarter in about 14.5, now I know that my car can match that as it is at the moment, the difference Mike says is much smoother revving right upto the redline. Now for the extra money I really do not think that it is worth it, for those reasons alone, and as for 300bhp, well I should think it would be very interesting to drive!!!!
I am a fan of sprinting anyway, and am now looking at a nitrous installation to assist with those difficult to win traffic light races! Around 50bhp etc, taking it to 250'ish, that can be controlled to come in at a specific rev range. Dont have to use it all the time, so it wont effect fuel consumption, and it assists in keeping the car running cooler because of its properties.
Watched MR. SEAT run on Saturday, his first run was very smokey, both first and second gear, his second run was much more controlled, feeding the power in slowly, I think his 0-60 was around 6.5?? Sorry if that is wrong Mr. Seat.
Thats all folks!:D
Blackcupra,
Oh my God, someone saw my first run!!!! How embarrassing! :o
7.4 to 60 I think it was!!!!!!
The problem was that I'm still running on the tyres I used at Brunty track day and the front left is dead but the front right is still OK (Just had my 10k service and Amethyst said I had 6k miles left on both front tyres!!!! I think they should look more closely!). Anyway, when I floored it the front left span like mad but the front right didn't spin at all (I think). I tried backing off a bit but it didn't help. Also, looking at my graph it appears that it actually started timing half a second before I went off (The graph showed a spike upto 10mph for 0.25s then 0 mph for another 0.25s before I actually went.), maybe I rolled a bit just before setting off?
For the second run like you say I took it much easier off the line and slowly built up speed being careful not to break traction. As I result I got a 0-60 of 6.5 seconds like you say. Not bad, but I do think its capable of the 6.1seconds claimed if you got everything perfect. I'll have to practce a bit more.
As for the Jabbasport runs... you could tell that it was VERY powerful, but they just couldn't put the power down. I think they need a LSD and Racelogic traction control to get the best from that car. I'm sure its MUCH faster than the figures suggest!
As for the 300bhp conversion on an Ibiza, I think you're right, there are lots of additional costs.... I think I'll get the 240bhp conversion. Sould be fast enough.
Cheers
Ben
ibizacupra
14-05-2002, 17:45
Originally posted by blackcupra
Hi folks, just thought I would add my thoughts on the matter.
I already have the 210RSD conversion, and have been thinking of upgrading to the 240 conversion, have spoken to both RSD and Jabba (Mike) about this. Firstly RSD are fairly worried about doing this conversion on the Ibiza due to its handling ability, especially at higher speeds, there golf I have driven with said conversion is not noticiably quicker away from the line, but it revs for longer and has a better and more stable top end. Mike @ Jabbasport gave me more detailed info, he said that basically the limit you can go with the Ibiza before spending serious cash is 240, because this is the highest boost you can run on the standard injectors, you can go higher but would need to replace the injectors (TT ones). Also any higher and other areas of the vehicle take to much strain, engine mounts, clutch, suspension parts etc, etc.
Thats all folks!:D
Ref the comment re the Ibizas handling and power upgrades, I find myself agreeing with RSD..:D oh my god! No only kidding.
On stock suspension, the Ibiza can be a handful on stock power let alone even the first level of upgrade into the 200ish zone. Going into the 240 bracket is a little more, but not staggering, and not enough to break other components (maybe clutch :()
My personal opinion is even a 200ish power hike on stock suspension is an accident waiting to happen, or at least it reduces the abaility to actually use the extra performance due to the poor handling. 1st thing I changed after my chip was suspension. It was and is a must have.
Going for and into the 300+ zone is a totally different story and it would be niaeve (spelling) in the extreme to think it was a simple job of rechip, bigger turbo, job done. Other components will need to be upgraded along the way, so if budgeting for such an upgrade think of the whole job, not just the power. - How will you stop it? How will you put said power to the ground (in the wet?)
Would 300bhp rip itself out of the engine bay or rip the car in 2, twisting the chassis? I think not. Does'nt seem to have happened yet to the Jabba Golf..................yet :D
regards
Bill
regards
Bill
MaxMuppet
14-05-2002, 19:08
Ben,
Did my best ever run to date...
6.37 to 60
14.9 on the qtr (I know it can do 14.5 or below, cos another 210 has already done it)
Bill,
You guessed right! :D :D
And I'm still a Grandad Driver remember!! :)
Don't tell Mark - but that day I drove his Demo it scared the hell out of me when I backed off & the rear just listed to one side. on a slight curve
People always modify the wrong way around.
Brakes, suspension, power.
Originally posted by ibizacupra
My personal opinion is even a 200ish power hike on stock suspension is an accident waiting to happen
ibizacupra
14-05-2002, 21:14
Originally posted by MaxMuppet
Ben,
Did my best ever run to date...
6.37 to 60
14.9 on the qtr (I know it can do 14.5 or below, cos another 210 has already done it)
Bill,
You guessed right! :D :D
And I'm still a Grandad Driver remember!! :)
Well done grandad
regards
Bill
MaxMuppet,
Is that you Chungster under a different name?
6.3 seconds is pretty cool.
I just looked at my time sheet again and my best 1/4 was actually 15.2 which is OK, but not good enough.
I'd like to have a few more runs and see if i can get the 6.1 that RSD claim, which I actually think it can do.
Bill,
I think you're the right man for th 300bhp job... I'm the niave (sp?) one who was originally thinking that it was a visit to Jabbasport and job done... I didn't originally consider all the other mods that would be necessary (except brakes, whcih was pretty obvious.). Given my nability to even change a bulb in a car I think the 300bhp conversion could be a little beyond my league, and so I think I'm gonna have to settle for the 240bhp conversion.
Actually, as i mentioned before I'd like about 250-260 bhp ideally... I know the Jabbasport conversion gives 240bhp and so with an induction kit and big bore exhaust/downpipe I should be able to get a few extra bhp, but someone mentioned that the injectors are only good for upto 240bhp.... so, does this mean that if I get the 240bhp conversion, an induction kit and free flow exhaust system, that the injuectors wont be able to supply enough fuel and the engine will run lean at full boost? If so then hello detonation and goodbye engine!
Is an injector upgrade likely to be expensive?
Cheers
Ben
ibizacupra
15-05-2002, 08:11
Originally posted by BenS1
MaxMuppet,
Is that you Chungster under a different name?
6.3 seconds is pretty cool.
I just looked at my time sheet again and my best 1/4 was actually 15.2 which is OK, but not good enough.
I'd like to have a few more runs and see if i can get the 6.1 that RSD claim, which I actually think it can do.
Bill,
I think you're the right man for th 300bhp job... I'm the niave (sp?) one who was originally thinking that it was a visit to Jabbasport and job done... I didn't originally consider all the other mods that would be necessary (except brakes, whcih was pretty obvious.). Given my nability to even change a bulb in a car I think the 300bhp conversion could be a little beyond my league, and so I think I'm gonna have to settle for the 240bhp conversion.
Actually, as i mentioned before I'd like about 250-260 bhp ideally... I know the Jabbasport conversion gives 240bhp and so with an induction kit and big bore exhaust/downpipe I should be able to get a few extra bhp, but someone mentioned that the injectors are only good for upto 240bhp.... so, does this mean that if I get the 240bhp conversion, an induction kit and free flow exhaust system, that the injuectors wont be able to supply enough fuel and the engine will run lean at full boost? If so then hello detonation and goodbye engine!
Is an injector upgrade likely to be expensive?
Cheers
Ben
I would say first step would be fuel pressure regulator upgrade before the injectors. (3.5 bar or 4bar if it runs on 3 bar now) Cheaper and wil nett the same effect and probably give the extra fuel needed if it does actually run out of duty cycle. Jabbasports Ibiza runs nearly 260lb/ft of torque now I understand, which must feel nice. I would worry about the clutch though as both Jabba's and mine are or have failed. My boost spike provokes my clutch slip in 5th gear and I only have 220lb/ft of "spike" torque, so Jabbasports 260lb/ft would kill mine.
With a suitable downpipe and cat (Miltek do this) and a 2.5" exhaust system, I think you would be getting close to the figures you are chasing. - Don't forget the brakes mind! You will be needing them for sure.
regards
Bill
Originally posted by BenS1
Is an injector upgrade likely to be expensive?
Cheers
Ben
Jabbasports price list give various flow injectors, but they are all under £100 for a matched, certificated set. So no it doesn't seem that expensive really, especially compaired to the other mods you're talking about.
redcupra
15-05-2002, 09:50
Hi guys, this is a really interesting topic now.
As for injectors, Mike from Jabba told me that he would recommend the TT ones, and that they are an expensive upgrade, his words not mine, after talking ref. fuel pressure his car is already run at 5bar, and the increase to 250bhp would increase that further, his car is still running the standard exhaust, but he has changed the cooler now, and is running a different type, chargecooler maybe ? Bill ? (Am getting out of my depth here now!!) And is hoping to manufacture and sell these all in including fitting for around about £500- not bad eh??
As for Jabbas 300bhp + Golf, what of course none of us know is how much damage if any that power has done to the vehicle its self, but really it all should be fine, because the first thing in the line of weakness, is of course that good old favourite...traction, you can have as much power as you like, but getting it to the ground it to the ground is always the problem, if you sort this with some form of traction control, then what next?? Clutch. driveshafts, gearbox, as Bill says, starts getting expensive, and if you come up against soemthing like a P1 you dont stand a chance anyway.............there is only so much any car will stand, before the mods outway the gains.
I have a mate that does big time sprinting, his road car does the quarter in under 10secs, that a 0-60 of just over 2 seconds, he reckons that for every 10th of a second quicker he now wants to go it will cost at leas £3000.............think on boys, as Richardsons say, speed is just a question of money..............
I feel a call to Jabba coming on.... :)
Ben
ibizacupra
15-05-2002, 15:05
Originally posted by blackcupra
Hi guys, this is a really interesting topic now.
As for injectors, Mike from Jabba told me that he would recommend the TT ones, and that they are an expensive upgrade, his words not mine, after talking ref. fuel pressure his car is already run at 5bar, and the increase to 250bhp would increase that further, his car is still running the standard exhaust, but he has changed the cooler now, and is running a different type, chargecooler maybe ? Bill ? (Am getting out of my depth here now!!) And is hoping to manufacture and sell these all in including fitting for around about £500- not bad eh??
As for Jabbas 300bhp + Golf, what of course none of us know is how much damage if any that power has done to the vehicle its self, but really it all should be fine, because the first thing in the line of weakness, is of course that good old favourite...traction, you can have as much power as you like, but getting it to the ground it to the ground is always the problem, if you sort this with some form of traction control, then what next?? Clutch. driveshafts, gearbox, as Bill says, starts getting expensive, and if you come up against soemthing like a P1 you dont stand a chance anyway.............there is only so much any car will stand, before the mods outway the gains.
I have a mate that does big time sprinting, his road car does the quarter in under 10secs, that a 0-60 of just over 2 seconds, he reckons that for every 10th of a second quicker he now wants to go it will cost at leas £3000.............think on boys, as Richardsons say, speed is just a question of money..............
5bar? for 250bhp? I might check my FPR to see what it is. 3 bar usually. 5 bar is a very high FPR (72.5psi) - the injectors are rated and tested at 5 bar according to Bosch when I talked to the technical dept last year, but do not usually run at that high a pressure. The fuel pump would also have to be able to deliver this too.
P1 vs Jabbasport Golf = Jabbasport Golf faster. A LOT more tyre smoke from the Golf though as it smokes its tyres off the line.
In gear acceleration is fantastic, if a little hard on the neck :p
regards
Bill
Originally posted by ibizacupra
5bar? for 250bhp? I might check my FPR to see what it is. 3 bar usually. 5 bar is a very high FPR (72.5psi) - the injectors are rated and tested at 5 bar according to Bosch when I talked to the technical dept last year, but do not usually run at that high a pressure. The fuel pump would also have to be able to deliver this too.
P1 vs Jabbasport Golf = Jabbasport Golf faster. A LOT more tyre smoke from the Golf though as it smokes its tyres off the line.
In gear acceleration is fantastic, if a little hard on the neck :p
regards
Bill
3 Barg is correct Bill, I think Mike sometimes ups it to 3.5/4 Barg, when I spoke to him I know the Golf had bigger injectors but I'm not sure what the pressure was.
redcupra
16-05-2002, 09:42
Hi guys, firstly bill, sorry if the 5 bar does not seem correct, I am only passing on info from mike @ Jabba, and that 5 was on the seat, not the golf.
As for the 300bhp golf beating the P1, I say..........prove it, does mike have the relevant figures down on paper?? P1 is 0-60 4.4, 0-100 12.2, standing quarter 13.4, I will certainly be very impressed if a two wheel(front not even rear) wheel drive car, with huge power, can match out and out performance with something like a P1. I have no doubt that its performance is good, but lets be honest it cannot have the handling and all weather driving abilities of a vehicle like the P1..................:)
Originally posted by blackcupra
Hi guys, firstly bill, sorry if the 5 bar does not seem correct, I am only passing on info from mike @ Jabba, and that 5 was on the seat, not the golf.
As for the 300bhp golf beating the P1, I say..........prove it, does mike have the relevant figures down on paper?? P1 is 0-60 4.4, 0-100 12.2, standing quarter 13.4, I will certainly be very impressed if a two wheel(front not even rear) wheel drive car, with huge power, can match out and out performance with something like a P1. I have no doubt that its performance is good, but lets be honest it cannot have the handling and all weather driving abilities of a vehicle like the P1..................:)
Handling wise I agree, but all the other figures are from a standing start, obviously better traction.
What counts on road cars in my mind is what it can do once it's moving. That's the use I want from a car as most peoples driving pleasure isn't traffic light racing. The Golf is awsome through the rev range mid range particularly. At Brunty this was so obvious even a blind man would see it. P1s were there and took, saw it with my own eyes.
Proof given!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
ibizacupra
16-05-2002, 11:01
Originally posted by blackcupra
Hi guys, firstly bill, sorry if the 5 bar does not seem correct, I am only passing on info from mike @ Jabba, and that 5 was on the seat, not the golf.
As for the 300bhp golf beating the P1, I say..........prove it, does mike have the relevant figures down on paper?? P1 is 0-60 4.4, 0-100 12.2, standing quarter 13.4, I will certainly be very impressed if a two wheel(front not even rear) wheel drive car, with huge power, can match out and out performance with something like a P1. I have no doubt that its performance is good, but lets be honest it cannot have the handling and all weather driving abilities of a vehicle like the P1..................:)
All weather abilities.. No question 4WD has the major advantage.
The Jabbasport Golf acceleration though is in the zone you mention though, despite being 2WD.
Be good fun to watch though would'nt it?
The Golf has around 370-380bhp for info.
Its a beast. And At Bruntingthorpe it did whoop most everything there down the straights. I fell in love with its power... Going to cots me a shed load now to get me some of that action! Arse! :)
regards
Bill
redcupra
16-05-2002, 14:05
Bill, it would certainly be lots of fun thats for sure, are you going to go for it then ? and on your Ibiza?? Your are certifiable you know that dont you!!!!!!!
I am still looking into going upto 250 ish, but am also looking at vehicles with more power to start with now!!!
See YA:D
Just a question.......
wouldnt it be better pricewise to just trade in the engine
for say a S3 engine??...i imagine it will fit and probebly cost
less then modifying the beeza to around 250bhp in a safe
manner?
and then other additions ie ,engine mounts will be extras.
even if it comes up to be same price as modify the existing engine
wouldnt it still be worth it?
ibizacupra
16-05-2002, 14:53
Originally posted by blackcupra
Bill, it would certainly be lots of fun thats for sure, are you going to go for it then ? and on your Ibiza?? Your are certifiable you know that dont you!!!!!!!
I am still looking into going upto 250 ish, but am also looking at vehicles with more power to start with now!!!
See YA:D
Hehe
LOL
Well I do like to be different. (I dirve a fast Jetta for gods sake! - contradiction in terms in most peoples perspective - pipe and slippers)
I always would like to have a mild, plain looking car that goes like hell, as opposed one which already looks like it should go like hell. - if you know what I mean.
I do not underestimate the other components that will no doubt need attention with a power hike, but it should make for a really fun car when done.
regards
Bill
ibizacupra
16-05-2002, 14:55
Originally posted by ozzy
Just a question.......
wouldnt it be better pricewise to just trade in the engine
for say a S3 engine??...i imagine it will fit and probebly cost
less then modifying the beeza to around 250bhp in a safe
manner?
and then other additions ie ,engine mounts will be extras.
even if it comes up to be same price as modify the existing engine
wouldnt it still be worth it?
Basic engines are the same.
Other than a K04, which is a bolt on add on (with suitable mapping) then it will be easier to get the bigger power by bolting and swapping bits on your own motor compared to replacing the whole unit for another.
IMHO though. :)
regards
Bill
Guess you right after all the problem isnt getting power
out of the engine,problem is as i understand to translate the power to the road with no damade to surroundings
as i imagine besides tweaking, the TT225 engine for example
has stronger internals then say a GTI 150 engine,dont know that for a fact,just my logic working there....;)
bigger manifold,stronger flywheel,higher flow injectors etc.
but i suppose everyone is trying to get away from such conversion
as actually swapping engines,as it will never be as good as stock i guess,not factory built and all.
redcupra
16-05-2002, 15:16
Bill, I love to see more basic looking vehicles that have huge power, a great deal more fun than a 1.0 Nova that looks like it should go like stink.
How about a plain beige MkII Escort, four door, with a tuned rover V8, 5 spd manual, and uprated front and rear suspension, including LSD??? My brother owned such a vehicle (Built by me and him!) and boy was it fun, a handful, especially in the wet but fun!
I look forward to the Jabba golf doing its thing in front of my very eyes, sorry Wayne, not that I dont believe you or anything, just like to see things for myself.
As for proper road cars, yes I love them, if they are different then so much the better, the only place to really try out your performance is on the real road, in amongst the pot holes, tram lines and diesel spilled roundabouts!!!
Has the Jabba golf got any figures to go with it though 0-60 etc ? Bill ?
:cheers:
There was a report on it in PVW mag around March/April. I think 0-60 was around 5.6secs top speed 170ish.
I phoned Jabba yesterday... they are fitting the 350bhp conversion to their Ibiza demo car!!!!!
also, mike says that the 300bhp conversion shouldn't really need any other mods like engine mounts etc. The only extras you might need are a sports clutch and possibly uprated brakes!!! What do you think Bill?
I just can't decide what to go for now. i was thinking about the 240bhp K04 conversion but it price has gone up from £1200 all in to £1400 + VAT!!!! i may as well go for the 300bhp conversion!
Mind you, the 300bhp conversion was originally going to be around £2000, then PVW said starting from £3000 and now it looks like it could cost even more. I'm not moaning... I know the prices are changing because the mods are still in development.
cheers
Ben
ibizacupra
16-05-2002, 22:13
Originally posted by BenS1
I phoned Jabba yesterday... they are fitting the 350bhp conversion to their Ibiza demo car!!!!!
also, mike says that the 300bhp conversion shouldn't really need any other mods like engine mounts etc. The only extras you might need are a sports clutch and possibly uprated brakes!!! What do you think Bill?
I just can't decide what to go for now. i was thinking about the 240bhp K04 conversion but it price has gone up from £1200 all in to £1400 + VAT!!!! i may as well go for the 300bhp conversion!
Mind you, the 300bhp conversion was originally going to be around £2000, then PVW said starting from £3000 and now it looks like it could cost even more. I'm not moaning... I know the prices are changing because the mods are still in development.
cheers
Ben
Brakes.. Oh yes. a must have fitment.
Sourcing R type brake smyself at the moment.
Clutch a must have also. Stock one is borderline with the power you currently have so no chance with Jabbas power.
I saw a K04 at International for £395 which seemed dam good to me.
Budget between £2000 - £3000 for the 300bhp engine conversion plus brakes, plus clutch, plus quiafe.
A lot of mula.
Bill
I thought the 300bhp conversion cost £3000+ now that they are using a custom manifold?
Arse.... I'd of had that K04 for that sort of money.
I did see a nice big turbo on one of those massive aircraft engines in one of the hangers. :) I wondered if they would notice if it went missing! :D
Ben
ibizacupra
16-05-2002, 22:49
Originally posted by BenS1
I thought the 300bhp conversion cost £3000+ now that they are using a custom manifold?
Arse.... I'd of had that K04 for that sort of money.
I did see a nice big turbo on one of those massive aircraft engines in one of the hangers. :) I wondered if they would notice if it went missing! :D
Ben
I think I had best check these prices out..
They seem to be fluctuating somewhat.
I feel a phone call coming on. :D
regards
Bill
hmmm - got some sums to do.
2nd hand Ibiza 10k
3k ish for a conversion
1k for susp
1k for brakes?
15k & a 'quick' car
/me counts his pennies up
Skoda4x4
18-05-2002, 22:06
Were going down to Jabbasport at the end of June to get my ecu chipped. Not called them yet but will next week.
I am concerned though. I keep hearing of boost spikes to make the figures seem better. The spike gives a high reading but not usable.
When looking at RR printouts, It seems smooth curves are the way to go. So may I ask would you rather have a chip which spikes a lot or smoothly and evenly distributes the power. Surely when reprogramming a chip it is just as easy to keep boost smothly increasing rather then these spikes
Figures can be manipulated bu tuners aswell as my accountant!!:rolleyes:
Any comments?
p.s does anyone know exact figures for jabbas tuning options? ( No I can't phone, there shut at this time, and can't get the wife off the bloody thing anyway):p
I guess you could give them a copy og their plot from their adverts / website & say "I want you to make mine look like this" and if they didn't - then you don't have to pay (or entitled to a full refund) trades descriptions act & all that
M
ibizacupra
19-05-2002, 16:53
Originally posted by Skoda4x4
Were going down to Jabbasport at the end of June to get my ecu chipped. Not called them yet but will next week.
I am concerned though. I keep hearing of boost spikes to make the figures seem better. The spike gives a high reading but not usable.
When looking at RR printouts, It seems smooth curves are the way to go. So may I ask would you rather have a chip which spikes a lot or smoothly and evenly distributes the power. Surely when reprogramming a chip it is just as easy to keep boost smothly increasing rather then these spikes
Figures can be manipulated bu tuners aswell as my accountant!!:rolleyes:
Any comments?
p.s does anyone know exact figures for jabbas tuning options? ( No I can't phone, there shut at this time, and can't get the wife off the bloody thing anyway):p
As you say some chips spike (badly :rolleyes: ) and soem don't.
Jabbasport can map to your requirements so spike or not, very responsive or not its all adjustable.
Best bet is give them a call to discuss your exact requirements.
regards
Bill
Mine has no spike at all, progressive power. As Bill say Jabbasport will do it how you like.
Skoda4x4
22-05-2002, 18:08
Good News! :D
Booked the Octavia into Jabbasport for some re-mapping. Going there on the 29th June.
While talking to Mike on the phone, I decribed my intake pressure (boost) to him. He said that sound exactly like the 150bhp chip.
I told him that at a very recent RR at StarPerformance it came back with 183.5bhp. He asked if it was a 2001 model, I said yes. Apparently they had a nasty habbit of putting the larger turbo on 2001 models. Does this mean I have a K-04?
He reakoned with remapping I should drive away with 215 - 225 bhp. NICE.
Hopefully after that a nice exhaust (miltek) a good airfilter, a 4-bar fuel pressuire reg and a bit of luck I should have 230 - 240bhp.:devil:
Scooby - I comin' to get ya;)
Cupramax
22-05-2002, 19:01
Originally posted by Skoda4x4
Scooby - I comin' to get ya;)
Dont even think about goin there... K04 or no K04. I drove a bog standard old shape Imprezza Turbo (215hp) for the first time the other day. I can honestly say that it would totally annihilate my Leon no matter what speed I was doing or what gear I was in. I thought my car was pretty quick unitl I drove this Imprezza, it was f*ckin awesome. :cool:
ibizacupra
22-05-2002, 20:33
Originally posted by maxthehound
Dont even think about goin there... K04 or no K04. I drove a bog standard old shape Imprezza Turbo (215hp) for the first time the other day. I can honestly say that it would totally annihilate my Leon no matter what speed I was doing or what gear I was in. I thought my car was pretty quick unitl I drove this Imprezza, it was f*ckin awesome. :cool:
I have not come across a quick standard Imprezza yet on track. Understeer city type car apparently.
EVO would be my choice if I had a few £10,000's kicking about.
BIll
skoda4x4
good luck......:D :D
tell us all how that 4x4 of yours will eat tarmac soon.....:D
myself picking up milage towards the upgrades....:D
drove a few scooby's myself .... they seem fast at start..
infact they are some piece of engineering,and the cupra
seem lazy on comparison,but real life the Pezza just feels lighter
has a better suspension and steering,and feels small like
driving a 206 with a turbo...
but on the real road i have managed few standard WRX's
by managed i mean i was able to keep up and follow
even on cornering......:D
STI and EVO is a diffrent story i am afraid.
will take a world of tuning to get that far,dont think its even
worth it to try.
even booked me a test drive on the STI......:D
redcupra
23-05-2002, 10:24
Yesterday evening as I came of the motorway had an Impreza right behind me, came to a stop at the lights, he is still behind me, gave it a good right foot full from the lights, impreza not so right behind me anymore. Next set of lights he pulls up about 4 ft behind me in the other lane, on a roundabout, going two lanes to one, I new his game!
An guess what.................beat me into a pulp, he was only having fun, standard T reg impreza turbo, but I didnt stand a chance!
:mad:
turbo northener
23-05-2002, 12:30
with a chip you should be able to stay right behind (or just in front) as i have followed two scoobies from roundabouts up to 120 /130 without losing an inch.
wouldn't try on the twisty stuff though as i'm a big jessy.
You'll never beat one from a standstill (If he's trying), but with a few mods you'll be very close at track speeds.
At Bruntingthrioe there were a few Scoobies (P1 and 22B) and my RSD210 Ibiza was only just slower on the main straight. It was so close that I think an extra 10bhp would of seen us even, and the Jabbasport 240bhp conversion should see the Ibiza take the lead.
Oooooo, a collegue at work has just rolled up in his shiney new Noble M12... very nice! Shame someone has rear ended it already (Only 50 miles on the clock!!!)!!!
Ben
Mark_349
23-05-2002, 13:15
A noble M12, now that is a car id like. Had a seat in one at the Glasgow Motorshow last year, wow, just like a race car!! I bet someone went into the back as they slowed down too fast, the size of the discs on those things is mad, expecially when you consider how little they weigh!
Id still be gutted if it was mine that got hit though :(
//\\//\\ark
It only split the fiber-glass but the whole back section is a single unit so the whole rear section needs replacing. The bloke that crashed into the back turned around and drove off!!! Got the numberplate though and a couple of witnesses.
The brakes are nice, AP Racing 4 pots, or were they 6 pot?
Nice car.
Ben
Mark_349
23-05-2002, 13:42
I think the brakes are 4 pots, but i think they are 4 pots at the back too :) :)
Well you would expect it from a car that will do 0-60 in under 4 seconds, and 0-100 in under 10!!!!
:D :D :D I want one :D :D :D
//\\//\\ark
Cupramax
23-05-2002, 13:51
Originally posted by BenS1
.
The brakes are nice, AP Racing 4 pots, or were they 6 pot?
Perhaps thats why the bloke drove into the back of it ;)