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shaun@amdessex
05-10-2004, 21:05
We have just become importers for the Uber Power range of performance spark plugs. These Twin Iridium plugs seem to give a big increase in power, about 12bhp on a 160bhp Volvo lump, and 10% increase in fuel economy.
We are looking for VW/Audi/SEAT/Skoda owners who want to try these plugs out at a special price of £9.95 per plug. As well as this if the customer provides rolling road graphs as a "before and after" we will refund 50% of the purchase price. Anyone interested? www.bigboystoys-uk.com/news (http://www.bigboystoys-uk.com/news )
Ibiza sport man
06-10-2004, 19:05
Highly amusing, specially the "laser beam" bit :-)
Bernard
Doesn't some trade act come into play here? :) Comedy at least!
shaun@amdessex
06-10-2004, 21:46
I know what you mean but I have had a very positive response today. 2 people have used the plugs before and have had very good results.
I will be interested to see the results with VAG cars before we make any great claims although the power test on the Volvo gave 12 bhp extra. Better than any exhaust or induction kit that I have seen?
P.S. Sold sets for 1.8 GTi Golf, SEAT Toledo 2.0 16v and SEAT Ibiza 1.8T today which I await results with interest.
not bein funny - but - spark plugs - bhp? <family guy> come on! come onnnnn! </family guy>
Hmmm sound suspiciously like the old V groove spark plug rubbish a few years ago.
LEO LION R
06-10-2004, 22:35
We have just become importers for the Uber Power range of performance spark plugs. These Twin Iridium plugs seem to give a big increase in power, about 15bhp on a 160bhp Volvo lump, and 10% increase in fuel economy.
We are looking for VW/Audi/SEAT/Skoda owners who want to try these plugs out at a special price of £9.95 per plug. As well as this if the customer provides rolling road graphs as a "before and after" we will refund 50% of the purchase price. Anyone interested? www.bigboystoys-uk.com/news (http://www.bigboystoys-uk.com/news )
Seem to give, or the dyno seemed to be a bit unreliable :confused: :whistle:
P.S. half the pricerefund wouldn't cover the cost of the customer providing a before and after dyno :redface:
I assume the volvo had one spark plug missing originally? :p
Scotty_b
06-10-2004, 22:40
I was told by a garahe that i best change my plugs after revo as there is a chance of the ends melting and falling off! any ideas?
I opted for colder plugs after my Revo and other mods - Denso Iridium IK22's which I got for £33ish from eBay.
Scotty_b
06-10-2004, 22:52
Thats the ones the bloke tried to sell me! Now he wnated to sell me 5 for an LCR am I MISSING THE OBVIUSE OR IS THIS WRONG?
see if u provided the plugs free i would do an after test as my car is being RR'd on sat and if u paid for a before id do that too
ps if i gain 10bhp for the plugs i will pay 50% of the 9.99 back to you.
i think thats far fairer oh and also copies of the graphs and a testimonial if u desire.
ibizacupra
07-10-2004, 08:14
Thats the ones the bloke tried to sell me! Now he wnated to sell me 5 for an LCR am I MISSING THE OBVIUSE OR IS THIS WRONG?
5.... well if he thought 20v must mean 4 valves x 5 cyl cos there was a 20v motor but not 1.8t
billy sugger :clap:
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=72205&item=7926429573&rd=1
R these any good?
I got these as recommended on here quite a few times
http://tinyurl.com/3mdpt
I got these as recommended on here quite a few times
http://tinyurl.com/3mdpt
Have they made any difference?
Its really hard to say but every little bit helps.
I do have very smooth acceleration but then again I did before.
shaun@amdessex
16-11-2004, 19:18
1st test result back from guys who took up our offer on the Uber Power plugs.
Saul tested his 16v Cordoba earlier in the year and got 151bhp. Tested again at the JBS RR Day and got 164.7bhp. I think he is going to post the RR graphs on here.
I need a few more responses to confirm the benefits but it looks like Uber Power does give a worthwhile increase? I will keep you posted.
P.S. Thanks Saul for your input.
cool
I'll buy a set if that means that I will get my money back if my car doesn't see at least 175bhp from 'just a set of plugs'
Ibiza sport man
16-11-2004, 19:37
1st test result back from guys who took up our offer on the Uber Power plugs.
Saul tested his 16v Cordoba earlier in the year and got 151bhp. Tested again at the JBS RR Day and got 164.7bhp. I think he is going to post the RR graphs on here.
I need a few more responses to confirm the benefits but it looks like Uber Power does give a worthwhile increase? I will keep you posted.
P.S. Thanks Saul for your input.
That doesn't prove anything. What you need to do is run the car up on the rollers, get a figure and then repeat the run several times to establish the margin of error. You should then whip the old plugs out, change them and run it again. If you see any gains by testing with this method then I'll eat the plugs.
Bernard
shaun@amdessex
16-11-2004, 20:08
Fair enough but the whole point of this test was that Uber Power has already done this test with the Volvo engine. The only thing with this sort of test,i.e. by the manufacturer, is that nobody believes the results! (see above posts!)
We can't really ask customers to do this sort of test so we thought, with enough response, we would get a general overview and customers would get a cheap set of performance plugs. Unscientific but it is completely unbiased.
We are carrying out a "proper" test with our VW Cup R32 in the New Year.
As an aside, we did a similiar test with the Pipercross VIS kit before the last race and it gave an extra 25bhp compared to standard!!
shaun@amdessex
16-11-2004, 20:13
cool
I'll buy a set if that means that I will get my money back if my car doesn't see at least 175bhp from 'just a set of plugs'
What sort of horses are you seeing at the moment?
162bhp on an otherwise identical engine to sauls.
shaun@amdessex
16-11-2004, 20:36
162bhp on an otherwise identical engine to sauls.
OK make it over 170 and you've got a deal! :) . I am genuinely interested in seeing the difference these plugs make not just a selling exercise. Give me a ring tomorrow.
I once read in a race car mag that you cannot gain any power from an igniton system. :confused:
However if you can get a set for a 1.4 8v mpi engine (AEX) ill give em a whirl.
max_torque
16-11-2004, 21:53
That doesn't prove anything. What you need to do is run the car up on the rollers, get a figure and then repeat the run several times to establish the margin of error. You should then whip the old plugs out, change them and run it again. If you see any gains by testing with this method then I'll eat the plugs.
Bernard
Sorry, that doesn't prove anything either!
what you need to do is get a brand new engine and vehicle inlet / exhaust / fuel system, get it stripped, do what is known as a "measured" build, where everything from the compression ratio to the cam timing and bearing clearances are checked and set at mid or top limit. Then carefully broken in on an engine dyno under controlled conditions, then take a power curve (with controlled temps and pressures) swap the plugs and repeat. Then replace the original plugs to complete an A-B-A test, Do this 10 times, then strip the engine to check it's still as built. Do all that and show me the data and i'll believe you can find 10bhp with plugs alone! (oh and i want indimaster cylinder combustion anaylsis of the results too complete with Heat release, IMEP, FMEP, 10-90% burn and Pmax / and LPmax.
The only way you can make more power with plugs (assuming the ones you had previously are not knackered or the wrong heat grade etc etc) is to cause the charge to burn faster, hence get a higher rate of rise of cylinder pressure, corrresponding to a greater proportion of the charge being burnt at a lower chamber volume. OH and if somehow you do manage this (and it IS possible with either multiple plugs or some of the very high energy capacitive discharge systems) you'll need to completely remap the ignition AND fuelling to take advantage of this gain. Leave you EMS settings as standard and you'll get no gain!!!
If you have no idea what i'm talking about, go sell your plugs to someone who wears there head gear at a reverse angle instead (PS i suggest you get on the phone to Volvo techincal in Gothenburg and let them know you've found them 10 bhp with a set of plugs, they might be very interested, lol!)
ibizacupra
16-11-2004, 22:40
1st test result back from guys who took up our offer on the Uber Power plugs.
Saul tested his 16v Cordoba earlier in the year and got 151bhp. Tested again at the JBS RR Day and got 164.7bhp. I think he is going to post the RR graphs on here.
I need a few more responses to confirm the benefits but it looks like Uber Power does give a worthwhile increase? I will keep you posted.
P.S. Thanks Saul for your input.
Not on the same dyno tho was it...
(or was it?)
Brave statements claiming power gains from plugs... brave indeed. :whistle: :rolleyes:
shaun@amdessex
17-11-2004, 07:26
I'm not claiming anything?
Thats why we thought it was a good idea that the customers tried them and then the results were indepedent.
Once I have got more results in then a pattern will emerge which will then allow "claims" to be made? Until then I'll :whistle: !
ibizacupra
17-11-2004, 08:17
I'm not claiming anything?
No?
I'm not claiming anything?
"We have just become importers for the Uber Power range of performance spark plugs. These Twin Iridium plugs seem to give a big increase in power, about 12bhp on a 160bhp Volvo lump, and 10% increase in fuel economy"
I heard that they did'nt last a week on a chipped Ibiza... (melted the ends off)
maybe I heard wrong then..
check your PM's for more info.
TheOtherSimon
17-11-2004, 10:28
I'm not claiming anything?
Yes you are. Otherwise you wouldn't think that the plugs are worth selling.
The reputation of your shop has just taken a big dive in my eyes due to your pushing of products with impossible claims.
Simon.
does my car feel 15bhp different, no of course it doesnt, and i wasnt using them to gain bhp.
i needed new plugs, so got some of these as they came well recommended from someone who has used them before.
the car fires better, and feels perkier low down to throttle response, placebo effect or not who knows, but ive had them in for 2 months and the cars felt the same.
take of that what you will.
excellent nextday service from shaun @ bbt :thumbup:
:cheers:
shaun@amdessex
17-11-2004, 12:49
No?
I heard that they did'nt last a week on a chipped Ibiza... (melted the ends off)
maybe I heard wrong then..
check your PM's for more info.
First of all I haven't come on here to have a row with anyone. Most forums degenerate into ranting matches and I'm not interested in that. :)
I gave Kev@REVO a set to try and we think he set them too tight on the gaps. We will know when he trys them again?
shaun@amdessex
17-11-2004, 12:56
Yes you are. Otherwise you wouldn't think that the plugs are worth selling.
The reputation of your shop has just taken a big dive in my eyes due to your pushing of products with impossible claims.
Simon.
I'm sorry that you feel that way. As always, everyones entitled to their own opinion.
The whole point of this exercise was to see what these plugs will do? When these plugs are proved one way or another then we'll know.
I presume that you are refering to the VIS kit with regards to "impossible claims"?
The R32 was tested with and without the VIS system 3 times to ensure the reading because nobody there could believe it.
The reason that it was checked so thoroughly was that the rules in the VW Cup stipulate strict bhp to weight rules.
I stand by the increase in power it gave that car. :)
ibizacupra
17-11-2004, 15:59
First of all I haven't come on here to have a row with anyone. Most forums degenerate into ranting matches and I'm not interested in that. :)
I gave Kev@REVO a set to try and we think he set them too tight on the gaps. We will know when he trys them again?
No ranting involved at all tho.. ;)
Are these multi electrode or single electrode?
Whats the correct gap for 1.8T motors ? (assuming single electrode) :thumbup:
PM sent re testing.. (suggestion) :cheers:
single electrode, 1mm i think (might be 0.8) theres a website for them i checked the gaps on
:cheers:
rich1068
17-11-2004, 18:29
I'm with Bill and others on this and (no offence to Saul, he is the boss) I think it's a little irresponsible to claim a 13.7 bhp increase just by swapping plugs. Or more to the point buying some plugs off Big Boys Toys. Some will just ignore the sceptics and order them regardless. I notice that potential sales are being made on UKMKIVs too.
And before you say it, yes you are claiming the increases or else you wouldn't have mentioned Saul's results.
S
If you have no idea what i'm talking about, go sell your plugs to someone who wears there head gear at a reverse angle instead (PS i suggest you get on the phone to Volvo techincal in Gothenburg and let them know you've found them 10 bhp with a set of plugs, they might be very interested, lol!)
:roflmao: :clap:
shaun@amdessex
17-11-2004, 22:09
I did say in my 1st post that "they seem to give a power increase" and asked anyone if they fancied trying them? I actually spent some time on the wording so that it didn't seem like "hard sell?
Anyway, as my posts seem to have riled a few people I thought I should pour oil on troubled waters. :)
If you would like to try a set of these plugs, buy them via our site tomorrow and mention sc.net in the address box. Try them for a month, post your likes and dislikes on here, if you want to return them after that then we will give you a full refund. I just ask that you make a constructive post on here. Speak as you find.
I am genuinely interested in the results and I don't think I am going to become a rich man from selling spark plugs before anyone says otherwise.
This limited to 5 sets.
P.S. As Bill has also mentioned we would be wise to conduct our own RR test so that we could back up any findings we get. :)
shaun@amdessex
17-11-2004, 22:39
I'm with Bill and others on this and (no offence to Saul, he is the boss) I think it's a little irresponsible to claim a 13.7 bhp increase just by swapping plugs. Or more to the point buying some plugs off Big Boys Toys. Some will just ignore the sceptics and order them regardless. I notice that potential sales are being made on UKMKIVs too.
And before you say it, yes you are claiming the increases or else you wouldn't have mentioned Saul's results.
The whole point of this thread was to get feedback on whether they gave a positive result or not? As Sauls was the 1st result, I posted the info.
I also mentioned that until I got more results it was inconclusive.
Why not buy some, try 'em and make your own mind up? :) If you don't like them send them back and get a full refund.
Ant FR Turbo
02-12-2004, 12:27
Fair enough but the whole point of this test was that Uber Power has already done this test with the Volvo engine. The only thing with this sort of test,i.e. by the manufacturer, is that nobody believes the results! (see above posts!)
We can't really ask customers to do this sort of test so we thought, with enough response, we would get a general overview and customers would get a cheap set of performance plugs. Unscientific but it is completely unbiased.
We are carrying out a "proper" test with our VW Cup R32 in the New Year.
As an aside, we did a similiar test with the Pipercross VIS kit before the last race and it gave an extra 25bhp compared to standard!!
i don't doubt the power increases, Are these basically the same sort of kit as the Denso Iridium plugs, if so i can get hold of these for £35.
My mate is knocking out the Denso units, i believe people like Sumo Power who are just down the road from me swear by these. We are doing a before and after R/R with the punto sports club to see how muc difference they make, but you never know until you try,