View Full Version : Hurricane Induction kit - test results
ibizacupra
31-03-2002, 13:54
Hello.
I said I would post the dyno test results of the Hurricane vs stock airbox on my 20VT Ibiza.
Tests performed on the road, using VAG-COM on block#120 datalogging, which is torque output.
Test was run in 4th gear from ~2000rpm to ~6000rpm, full throttle.
Results of tests (re-runs for those who read this before I corrected and amended this post) are:-
7.28 bhp gain-Hurricane
8.70 lb/ft gain-Hurricane
8.25 g/s gain-Hurricane
Results and Std vs Hurricane posted here>> http://www.badger5.demon.co.uk/bin/std-vs-hurricane.PDF
Summary of results:-
Hurricane looks good, fits well, makes nice induction growl and whoosh on DV vent (not RS type loud but subtle and aggressive none the less). It flowed more air then the stock airbox/filter and did seem to produce a little more power from the figures. The power was'nt felt much from the "butt" dyno, but response did seem quicker.
regards
Bill
Not entirely relates - but is there a pic of it anywhere?
ibizacupra
31-03-2002, 14:56
Originally posted by MarkP
Not entirely relates - but is there a pic of it anywhere?
Picture as requested.
link to>> http://www.badger5.demon.co.uk/bin/hurricance-ibiza20vt.jpg
and a link to their site.>> http://www.tuningconcept.nl/images/VVCklein.jpg
regards
Bill
ibizacupra
31-03-2002, 21:49
See below a piccy of the before and after Hurricane filter/induction kit. Nett gains of 7bhp and 8lb/ft torque.
regards
Bill
Gadge20vt
01-04-2002, 09:28
Bill, may be a bit too early to tell, but is this induction kit likely to cause the same problems that all others cause, i.e. problems with the MAF sensor?
Gadge,
I don't think so!
We've done very extensive tests with the Hurricane Induction kit on both Ibiza (20VT engine's), 150BHP TDI's and VR6's.
We have never seen the problem you're describing.
(I'm driving my Leon Cupra VR6 for the past 25000 km with the Hurricane Induction kit bolted on without any problems!)
To give you some background, the MAF sensor is a very small 'resisitve type' wire. The electronics heat up this wire to be able to do a measurement on the amount of air flowing through the induction channels.
Little drops of fluid would contiminate the wire and at the end (as a light bulb) the wire would be damaged so much that it's not able to do a good measurement.
The original filter in VAG cars is a paper filter, so it's not oiled. That's one fluid less. But.... When I installed our very first Ibiza I found this paper filter to be soaking wet! (std config!!) And... the clean side of the filter was wet as well.
We went back to VAG with this information (there's no such thing as good and bad fluid is there?) they sort of confirmed that the MAF sensor is a GENERAL problem.
It might be interesting to do a poll here and find out if there's improvement. VAG people say that the MAF sensor has been improved all the time and should be able to cope with normal environment now. (doesn't that mean that it wasn't able to cope with it in the past???? :( )
Coming back to your question, the Hurricane kit as delivered is a cotton oiled filter. We've never found a filter to be spraying particles of oil so the amount of oil on it is 'just right'. Beware if you oil it later on! When you do so, never put on too much oil and never oil it, screw it on and give the car some spanking right away. Although oil doesn't really dry out, it does need time to get into the cotton, so our advice is to oil it with good care and leave the filter for say 8-12 hours before using it..
Does that answer your question?
Gadge20vt
01-04-2002, 11:27
Yeah that answers my question, thanks for your informative reply.
One other question, how much does the induction kit cost, and how much would postage and packaging cost?
Thanks for the help....
Gadge
ibizacupra
02-04-2002, 09:38
Originally posted by Gadge20vt
Yeah that answers my question, thanks for your informative reply.
One other question, how much does the induction kit cost, and how much would postage and packaging cost?
Thanks for the help....
Gadge
Badger5 Ltd can supply these and they will cost 245 Euros ~ £150 inc VAT plus carriage (£7.50)
regards
Bill
Gadge20vt
02-04-2002, 10:03
Bill, what do u reckon is it safe to fit one of these, or am I likely to run into the same problems that I would have, if I fitted any other induction kit?
Are you keeping yours on the car, and if not, why not?
Cheers...
ibizacupra
02-04-2002, 12:30
Originally posted by Gadge20vt
Bill, what do u reckon is it safe to fit one of these, or am I likely to run into the same problems that I would have, if I fitted any other induction kit?
Are you keeping yours on the car, and if not, why not?
Cheers...
I do think this is safe, and mine is staying on my car. The cotton gauze filter is preoiled. but very lightly. Mine has been on my car for a couple of weeks, and there is no sign of oil anywhere in the inlet tract. The cold air ducting is an essential part of the kit so the engine can breath cooler denser air, combined with a less restrictive airfilter, allows greater airflow and power gains. Not massive gains, but not losses either as can be seen with other induction kits. Sounds nice too :D
The Stainless steel type induction kit has 2 flaws IMHO. One being that of fine dust filtration, and its ability to successfully filter it (someone on this forum has unfortunately lost a fly by wire throttle due to dirt ingress past his Blitz - £350!) The second is the lack of cool air ducting to the filter itself. Being open in the engine bay, with no direct, sealed cold air feed, the heat associated with the engine bay will be the "breathed" air into the engine. Hot air is less dense, and will loose engine power compared to cold air inlet.
I have tested a BMC also on my car, but was unable to gte the cold air feed pipe onto it to maximise the benefit of it, and this actually produced less power and flowed less Mass Air Flow than the standard unit.
If you have any questions, please feel free to PM or email me.
regards
Bill
ibizacupra
03-04-2002, 08:34
Some more pictures of the install on an Ibiza 20VT.
http://www.badger5.demon.co.uk/bin/hurricane-3.jpg
http://www.badger5.demon.co.uk/bin/hurricane-2.jpg
http://www.badger5.demon.co.uk/bin/hurricane-1.jpg
Cold air feed induction pipe included as are all fixings etc.
regards
Bill
Do you need to cut the inner wing or anything for the cold feed?
Does the fitting for the breather come fitted to the connection hose?
Bill.
This is on your motor, right?
If so, yours is chipped is it not?
What sort of gains are us std guys likely to get?
Wayne, the kit comes 'all included'. There's no cutting needed.
Actually, we always want to stay away from destroying original parts as the owner could not return the car to it's original stage then..
Power gains are likely to be the same; basically, the Hurricane Induction kit will give the engine more room to breath. (Tuning comes down to pushing as much air as possible through the complete engine). So, if you open up the induction path in the right way, you'll gain. If you then open up the exhaust path, you'll gain again and flowing the head would again provide some gain.
But... combinations of things are not as simple as adding things up. (you can't simply say a Hurricane kit adds A, an exhaust adds B, so together they'd add A+B. In some cases it's A+B+ some else or... A+B- some else...):rolleyes:
I'm happy to see tuning still is a profession :D
ibizacupra
04-04-2002, 12:04
Originally posted by whelme
Do you need to cut the inner wing or anything for the cold feed?
Does the fitting for the breather come fitted to the connection hose?
No cutting of anything is req'd.
The connection for the air-breathe pipe is part of the kit also.
Plug and play :D
regards
Bill
Is it just for the Ibiza or does it fit the Leon as well?
ibizacupra
04-04-2002, 13:33
Originally posted by DaveP
Is it just for the Ibiza or does it fit the Leon as well?
There is a Leon one also, but I would Yvo to confirm this.
regards
Bill
Originally posted by ibizacupra
No cutting of anything is req'd.
The connection for the air-breathe pipe is part of the kit also.
Plug and play :D
regards
Bill
Bill
Can you give a rough installation time for a person with an engineering background.
ibizacupra
04-04-2002, 14:05
Originally posted by whelme
Bill
Can you give a rough installation time for a person with an engineering background.
Remove the stock box approx 20mins - need Pozidrive screwdriver for MAF and 10mm socket on long reach extension bar to remove the 3 x M8 screws securing the airbox into the car.
Only awkward part potentially is the inlet snorkle to the airbox, as its end feeds through a foam rubber insert in the inner wing above the plastic wheel arch liner. A good pull should pull the end through the foam, but I did'nt have to do this, having previously fitted a larger inlet duct when trying out the BMC filter. Worst case, if it won't just pull out (its only a rubbery foam that it goes through) the plastic arch liner would need to be dropped down from the front edge... just a few screws.
Fitting the new one would take you maybe 15mins with the most awkward bit being routing the cold air feed pipe between the battery and the inner wing. The supplied instructions do say to remove the battery, but on mine it was possible to fit without doing this - but it is snug!
Total time between 20-30mins approx. (being very generous)
As a comparison it took me 10mins to swap the air boxes when testing at the weekend, but I am practiced now :D
hope this helps
regards
Bill
Bill - looks like a nice bit of kit. May be interested in purchasing one (need to speak nicely to Mr Bank Manager (AGAIN!)). Slightly off-topic here, but your coolant bottle is looking a bit on the empty side! Just thought I'd mention it as my motor has a coolant leak at the front of the engine bay - some valve/pupm thing is knackered. Getting it fixed tomorrow tho so all is good. Just hope I get my £12 back that I've spent on bottles of coolant-addative from the SEAT garage.
Meeko
ibizacupra
05-04-2002, 08:56
Originally posted by Meeko
Bill - looks like a nice bit of kit. May be interested in purchasing one (need to speak nicely to Mr Bank Manager (AGAIN!)). Slightly off-topic here, but your coolant bottle is looking a bit on the empty side! Just thought I'd mention it as my motor has a coolant leak at the front of the engine bay - some valve/pupm thing is knackered. Getting it fixed tomorrow tho so all is good. Just hope I get my £12 back that I've spent on bottles of coolant-addative from the SEAT garage.
Meeko Thanks for the warning.. The level is on thre lowest point I think, but has been there from new.
Thanks for telling me though... Well spotted! :D
regards
Bill
CustardCupra
05-04-2002, 17:29
Looks great Bill but on a negative note BHP did fall off earlier than stock higher up in the revs, did you feel this when driving.Also Chipped cars accelerate that quick i can't see you noticing the gains , but where they seem to run out of puff at high revs the hurricane is down even more so than stock.
Anythig stopping you drilling airbox, cold feed , uprated panel filter to get better breathing.
:cheers: JOOLS
CustardCupra
05-04-2002, 17:34
Originally posted by jools
Looks great Bill but on a negative note BHP did fall off earlier than stock higher up in the revs, did you feel this when driving.Also Chipped cars accelerate that quick i can't see you noticing the gains , but where they seem to run out of puff at high revs the hurricane is down even more so than stock.
Anythig stopping you drilling airbox, cold feed , uprated panel filter to get better breathing.
:cheers: JOOLS
:p Sorry for last reply Bill , need glasses i think , following wrong squidgy line, just off to the Opticions!!!:D
Steve3961
05-04-2002, 18:41
Bill
Do you find you car boost differently with the kit on/off?
Ive taken my blitz off at the moment because the boost kept maxing out! and shutting down the turbo.(only after the chip)
Mike @ JS thinks is dragging in to much hot air from the engine bay and the air mass meter is telling the ecu to up the boost to compensate to the point it hits max and logs a fault.
So until i make myself a surround for the filter and get a cold air feed pipe sorted the kit is off
:mad:
ibizacupra
08-04-2002, 08:24
Originally posted by jools
:p Sorry for last reply Bill , need glasses i think , following wrong squidgy line, just off to the Opticions!!!:D
LOL
You had me worried for a bit..
Thought I concluded the wrong thing or posted the results upside down... :D Gains over stock for the Hurricane are the plotted results.
regards
Bill
ibizacupra
08-04-2002, 08:25
Originally posted by Steve3961
Bill
Do you find you car boost differently with the kit on/off?
Ive taken my blitz off at the moment because the boost kept maxing out! and shutting down the turbo.(only after the chip)
Mike @ JS thinks is dragging in to much hot air from the engine bay and the air mass meter is telling the ecu to up the boost to compensate to the point it hits max and logs a fault.
So until i make myself a surround for the filter and get a cold air feed pipe sorted the kit is off
:mad:
Boost runs the same on mine as before mate. No change in characteristics.
Cold air Feed is very important.
The hot air draw is one of the flaws I see with the Blitz IMHO (along with filtration ability)
regards
Bill
Can you tell me where i can get a hurricane ind kit!?! Are you sure it wont fu** my sensor, its not oiled is it? that bhp /torq results are for a 210 bhp car will they not be different for a standard cupra!;)
ibizacupra
12-04-2002, 13:50
Originally posted by CSIMY
Can you tell me where i can get a hurricane ind kit!?! Are you sure it wont fu** my sensor, its not oiled is it? that bhp /torq results are for a 210 bhp car will they not be different for a standard cupra!;)
The filter is a cotton gauze filter, lightly preoiled. No tracking of the oiling is evident on my own installation on my chipped Ibiza.
It has covered 1500+miles without any detrimental effect.
Gains from a stock motor are not known, but with less air flowing on a stock powered engine, the gains would be less than for a chipped one IMHO, but no measurements have been done to confirm this. - Nice sound though, regardless :p
Available from Badger5 Ltd (which is my Company)
Price £150GBP inc VAT plus £7.50 shipping (UK Mainland)
Delivery will be approx 1 week from order.
regards
Bill
Can someone please tell me where i can order one of these hurricane filters?
Cheers Chris :devil:
SORRY IGNORE THE LAST MESSAGE!:confused:
Hi all,
this is a very interesting thread. I have a Cupra4 V(R) 6 and just bought a K&N replacement air filter. 33-2128 I think.
Now I read this.
One of you in this thread (can't remember the name) said that he has 25000km on his Hurricaned Cupra VR6.
Can you tell me where I can get more info an this product?
Do they have their own site? And do you remember the part number for the one fitted to your Cupra VR6?
Thanks a lot !!
Xander
Hi Xander!
I've got the kit on my car for more then 25k (km) already (as it was one of our testing vehicles..)
The kit is available in the UK through Badger 5. For all other country's you can contact us directly (http://www.tuningconcept.nl) yvo@tuningconcept.nl
I love the kit. The sound is superb (as I don't like the very quiet character of the VR6 as it is standard) and you certainly feel the torque kicking in, revving the engine faster etc. (This opinion certainly is not from a sales perspective but from me as a user..)
Thanks Yvo,
I'll give you a call one of these days. Planning on going to Holland
this summer on vacation.
Zit namelijk op Curacao!
I assume the installation is also pretty straightforward ?
Saw the pic of the yellow Cupra4 on your site. Nice to see an actual Cupra4 V6 finally. As you know these are pretty scarse, so there aren't many aftermarkets for this model as for the 20VT's.
Xander
Yvo can you tell me if the EBC pads are fit for my car?
Here's the engine bay of my car so you can confirm if your Hurricane set really fits in this one.....:D
Je weet maar nooit zeggen de Fransen !!:D
Thanks for the info......
Xander
Xander, no picture.... Could you please mail me directy at yvo@tuningconcept.nl ??
errr..... well... I guess I need a pair a glasses ;) Yep, same enginebay. A mechanic takes about 1.5 hours to fit the Hurricane in a C4. (there's a bit of a husstle to bring the induction hose down in the bumper)
That is, provided that you have a lift available.
I did mine without a lift (the very very very first proto ;) ) and it took me approx 2.5 hours to fiddle and fit..
Guess I must be able to find someone here that can do that for me.
The blokes over at the local SEAT dealer have become personal friends and I'm sure they won't find it a hassle to put it in for me.
When it gets that far I'll mail you.
Thanks again,
Xander