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More weight saving removal & I got to the Exhaust Manifold
http://www.seatcupra.net/m0rk/gbu.jpg
not looking good is it?
Bet that sounds a little raspy.
Bob
How'd that happen? Too hot, or engine movement?
D'oh!
I'm not selling mine, before you ask ;)
after much thought and umming and ahhhing i went for BAD,that would weld though mark would n't it?
How'd that happen? Too hot, or engine movement?
Can't be a movement thing as the engine doesn't move must at all
I think it would weld up - but then it's not going to come off easily looking at the studs.
exhaust putty anyone?
Bit of spit and gaffer tape will do the job - right as rain - failing that hit it with a hammer or something you can get a bit of weight behind.
If all that fails - swear at it until you're blue in the face, then repeat the above.
Or you could just get a new one - i don't think weld would hold too long on there.
Scrappy?
cordobabrendy
19-12-2004, 17:24
mork mine had that too, dont worry, apparently excess heat does it...ie trackdays!!
CupraR-Rog
19-12-2004, 21:42
Exhaust putty?? Try Chewing Gum!! :idea: :whistle: :runaway:
looks knackered to me chuck away and buy a stainless shiney one!
(like i know anything though! haha.... im just used to bolting shiney chrome bits onto minis!) hehe
had exactly the same on mine - rear engine mount was worn too so i supsected it had been rocked apart
Can be welded but as it's cast need to heated up cherry to stand a chance
just bought a week old golf 3 for £20 odd solved it in until i get stuck in the car then it's off to get some stainless
sean martin
24-12-2004, 21:20
standard part is silly money from your local stealer so you might as well treat yourself, spend the extra £100 and get yourself a mk2 gti stainless tubular from TSR tilt the engine back a bit so it will fit and away ya go.
ibizacupra
25-12-2004, 10:51
Supersprint manifold is a nice piece of work.
Better than TSR... IMHO
I thought the Supersprint manifold for Ibiza was lhd only?
Supersprint manifold is a nice piece of work.
Better than TSR... IMHO
hows it better ?
I thought the Supersprint manifold for Ibiza was lhd only?
thats what I thought also
Dormouse
25-12-2004, 20:25
Bet if you do get it off you could break if off with little effort. That's the trouble with cast shite. Not heat tollerant at all.
Tubular is the wat fwd, stainless stylee. But it'll cost :( Otherwise get it braized?
Dor.
have the same problem as the manifold on smart cars, caused by excessive heat. can be welded but may well just crack again. id get a new Stainless one :)
cordobabrendy
26-12-2004, 15:45
the supersprint lhd ones have been moded before for mk3 golfs ive heard. steering rack is the main obstruction i think.
ibizacupra
27-12-2004, 10:05
hows it better ?
IMHO its better from design.... 4-2-1
IMHO its better from design.... 4-2-1
In the same way that longer trumpets on Tb's give more midrange ?
Yeh its a 4-2-1 but all the pipe lengths are wrong.
ibizacupra
28-12-2004, 13:31
In the same way that longer trumpets on Tb's give more midrange ?
Yeh its a 4-2-1 but all the pipe lengths are wrong.
Longer length = more when I tested em on Jetta - short=no torque for me
I like the 'look' of the Supersprint manifold... as much as anything.. curly bananas
as we both know, engine spec will have big effect on what works with what tho eh ;)
:)
Dormouse
28-12-2004, 14:06
I'd have thought a 4,2,1 would give better top end due to the flow being less restricted unless as Rob mentions the exaust firing cycle cuases turbulence due to the pipe lengths? wouldn't have thought it would make much diff unless the pipes are 'too long'.
Am i making sense? No probalby not.... :hide:
Dor.
I like the 'look' of the Supersprint manifold... as much as anything.. curly bananas
well it must work then - can you get them chromed ?
:)
I'd have thought a 4,2,1 would give better top end due to the flow being less restricted unless as Rob mentions the exaust firing cycle cuases turbulence due to the pipe lengths? wouldn't have thought it would make much diff unless the pipes are 'too long'.
Am i making sense? No probalby not.... :hide:
Dor.
No. :roflmao:
Rob
The general dogma of pipe design is 4-1 is good for top end and 4-2-1 is good for bottom and mid. However...things like pipe diameter, pipe shape (tapered or parallel pipe), link pipes, length of each section, shape and size of collectors etc etc etc all have an effect and in practise, it depends on the engine, cams, induction - very individual specific. Of course you have got tyo fit it in the space available so compromise needs to be reached, best design with the space you have. The pressure tuning needs of a std car are VERY different to one with 280 cams and tbs. General starting point for a 4-2-1 design for a 2 liter 4-cylinder with sporting tune would be 1-5/8" primaries, approx 30-33" long (inc. port in head) and 6-12" secondaries then probably a 2.25-2.5" system.This is very different to what you get with a supersprint 4-2-1. (although that does look good apparently so will make you go faster no doubt). Good starting point with a 4-1 is 32-36" primaries and this is what the awesome system has that I have.
Cheers
Rob
Dormouse
28-12-2004, 14:22
The general dogma of pipe design is 4-1 is good for top end and 4-2-1 is good for bottom and mid. However...things like pipe diameter, pipe shape (tapered or parallel pipe), link pipes, length of each section, shape and size of collectors etc etc etc all have an effect and in practise, it depends on the engine, cams, induction - very individual specific. Of course you have got tyo fit it in the space available so compromise needs to be reached, best design with the space you have. The pressure tuning needs of a std car are VERY different to one with 280 cams and tbs. General starting point for a 4-2-1 design for a 2 liter 4-cylinder with sporting tune would be 1-5/8" primaries, approx 30" long and 6-12" secondaries then probably a 2.25-2.5" system.This is very different to what you get with a supersprint 4-2-1. (although that does look good apparently so will make you go faster no doubt). Good starting point with a 4-1 is 32-36" primaries and this is what the awesome system has that I have.
Cheers
Rob
Ta Rob,
Useful info.
Flow dynamics eh :blink:
Dor.
I should say though that the 4-1 design awesome gti system will not enable a cat to be used - the collector (where the 4 pipes converge) is right under the car where the cat normally sits.
For a cat car, dont think there is any off the shelf option than use the (flawed) supersprint system that would need mods anyhow to clear the steering knuckle on RHD cars
Rob
ibizacupra
28-12-2004, 18:48
well it must work then - can you get them chromed ?
:)
see you geddit ,m8.. bling.. gotta be good. :thumbup:
running open headers even better - :roflmao:
standard part is silly money from your local stealer so you might as well treat yourself, spend the extra £100 and get yourself a mk2 gti stainless tubular from TSR tilt the engine back a bit so it will fit and away ya go.
Sean, i couldn't send you a PM, and neither an email, so I will ask you thru this forum.
How can you tilt back the engine, to use the Supersprint exaust mani!?
I have an Golf II GTi 16V, and i have a good deal on a Supersprint full system. In a near future, i want to get a ABF(2.0l 16V) but i was told that because the engine is taller(7mm??) it won't clear the firewall(sp).
Can you clear things up for me?
Thanks!!
sean martin
28-02-2005, 13:25
As far as I am aware, the supersprint manifold will not fit on rhd ibiza, but it may well fit on rhd golf's. I have a TSR 4-1 stainless manifold which is designed to fit the mk2 golf. You are right about this manifold not clearing the bulk head certain cars - so my local tuning shop modified my front engine mount to alter the angle of the tubes so that they would clear the bulkhead. If you currently have a mk2 golf, then get the TSR manifold (which will fit straight on) and then put onto the ABF when you get it. As mentioned earlier in the thread, MOT will be a problem with this manifold as you may not be able to fit a cat.
As far as I am aware, the supersprint manifold will not fit on rhd ibiza, but it may well fit on rhd golf's. I have a TSR 4-1 stainless manifold which is designed to fit the mk2 golf. You are right about this manifold not clearing the bulk head certain cars - so my local tuning shop modified my front engine mount to alter the angle of the tubes so that they would clear the bulkhead. If you currently have a mk2 golf, then get the TSR manifold (which will fit straight on) and then put onto the ABF when you get it. As mentioned earlier in the thread, MOT will be a problem with this manifold as you may not be able to fit a cat.
I didn't say, but i believe i need to. I live in Portugal, and we have LHD. I don't have, or need a CAT, so its ok. Can you get more info on the process to modify the front engine mount!? Cause maybe ill need to do this...Thanks!
sean martin
01-03-2005, 00:22
Ah didn't know you were left hand drive. This means that the supersprint manifold should fit your car.
Ah didn't know you were left hand drive. This means that the supersprint manifold should fit your car.
Just to clear things up, the KR Supersprint exaust mani, will fit the ABF, and still clear the mk2 gti bulk head!?
I'm really sorry to keep bogthering you, but i believe that you're the only one that can clear this issue!
I saw the SuperSprint site, and they list the same part number to the KR, and ABF exaust mani.
Just to clear things up, the KR Supersprint exaust mani, will fit the ABF, and still clear the mk2 gti bulk head!?
I'm really sorry to keep bogthering you, but i believe that you're the only one that can clear this issue!
I saw the SuperSprint site, and they list the same part number to the KR, and ABF exaust mani.
If supersprint themselves list the same part no. for KR and ABF then it should fit - if not its their fault and they can give you a refund
Rob