View Full Version : 2in1 Dump Valve for 1.8 20vt engines
Shock_Xe
15-04-2002, 19:54
This dump valve http://www.impossible-performance.cwc.net/mk4_latest.htm is a 2 in 1 dump valve that acts as an uprated dv when driving about then a whoosh one at harder gearing. They reckon it removes perfornace loss and problems with whoosh type dv's. Anyone had any experience with these??? Whats yer thoughts??? cause @ £150 it aint cheap
Skoda4x4
16-04-2002, 20:14
I e-mailed Impossible about a week ago to get some info on the valve, i.e costs and did they have any but never got a reply. And I want one so bad!! :(
Surfer_D
17-04-2002, 08:46
WHat kind of whoss is this. Please explain when it happened and how it sounds in compare to something.
Gimme detail info, since I'm thinking of buying this dump valve mentioned above.
Thanks
I am looking at this as well, but if it loses performance then maybe not, it cant be any worse than the Forge DV which is an interesting as an interesting thing!
Si
Shock_Xe
17-04-2002, 09:31
well who ever gets one first make sure to post yer thoughts onit!
Look at this page... Should have all the info you need + more.
http://www.newdimensions.com/products/page_11.html
Ps. Is it only me or are the UK Seat tuners really poor answering their email? I haven't got any replies this far from anyone :( Quite different from the Rover community & parts suppliers. (I also have a Range Rover.)
sportbilly
24-04-2002, 15:00
Seems this type of dump valve will benefit standard and upgraded 1.8T's. Standard cars will create a whoosh sound but this will not be as loud as the upgraded cars due to the pressure being lower.
From what I understand some of the pressure built up is recirculated and any excess is released into the atmosphere (creating the whoosh sound).
I am interested in this too, anybody actually ordered one yet ?? Also thinking about the split second boost controller if anyone has one of these too ????
Cupramax
24-04-2002, 19:25
Originally posted by Skoda4x4
I e-mailed Impossible about a week ago to get some info on the valve, i.e costs and did they have any but never got a reply. And I want one so bad!! :(
Phone Mike up... he does have a telephone and you'll get a quicker response than from the internet. He's usually out fitting stuff, not sat at his puter.
Tazkenny
26-04-2002, 13:19
Looks good.
Buy it direct from any autoshop in the USA or Australia (where they are made) for $169 = £120 plus postage. Why we getting ripped of as usual in the UK ???
Yeah yeah, shipping costs , import duty blah blah. Don't believe it for a minute. I'll be getting mine in the USA thanks.
In general the price pf performance / styling parts in the UK is nothing short of robbery (my mate used to run an autoshop so I know what the markup is !) but there is nothing we can do about it:sick:
there feel better now after my moan.
pstables
26-04-2002, 14:47
I thought Impossible Performance's price was £150?
If you import from US, there will be shipping, lets say a fiver (UK).
Then there's 3.5% duty, then 17.5% vat on top of the lot so:
Item - £120
Duty - £4.20
VAT (on £124.20) - £21.73
Shipping £5
Total - £150.93
sportbilly
26-04-2002, 15:37
+ if you get it from Impossible you'll get it quicker. Maybe ask for group discount and see who else wants one. I am interested ... anyone else ...
Tazkenny
26-04-2002, 15:49
Thanks pstables, I couldn't be bothered doing the maths. My point is this though... It costs £120 in the US and £150 here. End of story. £30 difference. The £120 already includes markup for the retailer but seeing as we are in the UK then lets just pay an extra £30. Nope not me. I'll pick mine up when I'm out there on Holiday. :)
Steve3961
26-04-2002, 16:57
Originally posted by neg
+ if you get it from Impossible you'll get it quicker. Maybe ask for group discount and see who else wants one. I am interested ... anyone else ...
Iam!
Steve3961
26-04-2002, 17:12
Originally posted by smithrc
Guys - hold on a bit ;-)
Well???
Spill the beans!
why wait?
Shock_Xe
27-04-2002, 08:48
well put me down for one soon, looks like my beeza will b here soon putting deposit down sunday
I'm trying to get a discount set up with a UK distributor at the moment (NB Impossible are not listed as an official importer)
Looking good for the moment. but need to test them etc
I will be getting mine next week from the US distributor. They have been using them on a large scale on the 1.8T engines so should be a very good resorce.
Steve3961
27-04-2002, 13:38
Originally posted by smithrc
I'm trying to get a discount set up with a UK distributor at the moment (NB Impossible are not listed as an official importer)
Looking good for the moment. but need to test them etc
I will be getting mine next week from the US distributor. They have been using them on a large scale on the 1.8T engines so should be a very good resorce.
Might be worth testing one on a chipped 1.8T engine as well:D
It would be a big sacrifice but I don't mind putting up with it:D
Nice try.
It will be the same but maybe a slightly bigger woosh.
We may have one for a prize ;-)
(fingers crossed - but no promises)
Alternatively, get a Hurricane Air Filter :) . Slightly more subtle (ppsshh), but very pleasing all the same, with the added benefit of a better air feed.
ADE
Oi Oi .......... Russell, dont be letting all our secrets out and Steve has enough goodies anyway :D :D :D
Shock_Xe
28-04-2002, 03:03
Or....... get the Hurricane induction kit AND the dump valve!!!
Now theres a good idea :D
Off to the US on Wednesday. Will return with gooodies soon!
Originally posted by Shock_Xe
Or....... get the Hurricane induction kit AND the dump valve!!!
That happens to be exactly what I'm planning to do :D
Unfortunately due to other constraints I can't do it before late August, so I hope that someone here will be a guinea pig so I don't have to take risks... Not that I think that there would be any problems.
Shock_Xe
29-04-2002, 10:37
well, i got a deposit on a beeza from yesterday so 1st thing im gonna do when i get it is chip, hurricane and dv!!!! after all thats what overdrafts are there for isnt it?? :)
Skoda4x4
30-04-2002, 20:20
Right so, no one in this forum has a whoosy dump valve?
I thought I;d be a big seller and everyone would have one.
If anyine out there has one or is selling them then let me know coz I want one bloody quickly.?
sportbilly
01-05-2002, 09:32
Skoda4x4,
I think quite a few people want one is just everyone is waiting for someone on here with a 1.8T to fit one to see what its like.
If you want be first , give Impossible a call they advertise them on their website.
Once fitted let us all know and we'll all get one!
Shock_Xe
01-05-2002, 09:58
here here, i agree
Skoda4x4
02-05-2002, 19:06
For Your Information,
I have tried on several occasions to buy one from impossible performance, to my dismay they had/have non in stock and are awaiting a delivery.
Apart from them I have also tried othe ABD Racing distributors such as Awsome, oh and they too have none.
Tell you wot, you tell me who's got them and I'm sure as f*ck going to buy one.
Oh and as for waiting until someone else had bought one? So if we said it was ok to run your car on a mixture of rotten cabbage and parsnip, would you?
Try reading other forums and you will see that they are a common feature on 1.8tees in the states ands everywhere else in the world including New Zealand.
I thank you for your time gentlemen.
Shock_Xe
02-05-2002, 20:09
try here for one http://www.newdimensions.com/products/page_11.html
works out the same if not cheaper
sportbilly
03-05-2002, 09:29
Bad day at work!
Forge Motorspor
07-05-2002, 16:44
Happy to send a sample of our 004 atmo valve to a reputable owner for testing.
We have many tuners in Europe who fit these to the SEAT.
Call me on 01452 380999
or mail me at peter@forgemotorsport.co.uk
don't they loose power or something?having such a small turbo ,yhought thats why the recirc one was used ?
oh well what do i know i ain't got a turbo:cheers:
Well.. I surely want one.... the whooshy sound sounds great hehhe, though wanna know if the group discount makes any difference if I have it sent to the Netherlands.. I mean.. £150 isn't exactly cheap for a Dutchie *grin*
Anyway.. is the Hurricane induction kit better than the K&N kit? Since the K&N induction kit for the Beezer 1.8T was just releases this week in the Netherlands
-Alf
Shock_Xe
07-05-2002, 22:03
Originally posted by jason
don't they loose power or something?having such a small turbo ,yhought thats why the recirc one was used ?
oh well what do i know i ain't got a turbo:cheers:
yeah thats what i was told upto 15bhp loss cause the turbo relies on all the pressure.. I've emailed the dude at forge and awaiting reply... Will post any information sent back
cheers
I have been trialling the Forge DV004 for 4 days now without problems and we are organising a testing day!
Originally posted by Forge Motorspor
We have many tuners in Europe who fit these to the SEAT.[/email]
It would be interesting to see it run on a provenly reliable set of rollers - for instance Stealth, with a before & after & on a std & also chipped car.
What do the UK tuners think? I remember AmD saying about a year back that the one they tried lost 18bhp on a TT - is it a different one?
M
Peter, as discussed, I feel NO power loss at the moment and I think I would feel 15BHP :rolleyes:
RR is being arranged with different cars to see what happens!
Indeed - it depends on who you speak to as to whether there are losses or not.
It would make more sense to test it back to back on the same car (s) though - else you don't allow for the differences.
If anyone could be bothered (with an APR chip perhaps?) you could test a STD Bosch on Std Boost, then 195bhp boost, then swap it to a Forge recirc on both settings, then a Forge whooshy on both settings.
trouble is for the profit they'd make I'm sure they'd loose it all on RR time & labour!
sportbilly
08-05-2002, 09:50
But without results like you mention people may not be convinced! The other addition would be to test the 2in1 which has been designed to do both .... ???
Ive e-mailed peter at Forge, to see whether he's interested in me trialling a 004
I will have a word with Rob T, he knows a guy with a good RR where he had his throttle bodies fitted.
If i can get one of these 2in1 valves aswell, i will test them against a std valve, in both std and performance programs on the RR.
Anyone interested?
sportbilly
08-05-2002, 10:29
Ideally need to be tested against a standard leon (180bhp) aswell as a chipped ... to see the difference.
Well i can always come along with Saul, and we can put the valve on mine, and again see how it performs with and without, and in standard and chipped modes.
sportbilly
08-05-2002, 10:49
Perfect. I was going to offer but mine is standard, really needs someone like ....ZBOYD !!
Cheers mate.
well volunteered guys.
far better than a seat of pants test as the losses / gains would be small (i'd hope!)
I'll contact forge and impossible and get in touch with rob and get some info on the RR.
watch this space......
btw, z, u still got ut std valve? mine vanished
Both of them are going to GTI int. so why dont we get together and test both of them at the 1/4 mile and 0-60 to see if there really is a difference. if they work out then we could arrange a bulk buy from one of them, as i know most people with turbo'd cars would love a whooosh DV.
what do people think???
Originally posted by Saul
I'll contact forge and impossible and get in touch with rob and get some info on the RR.
watch this space......
btw, z, u still got ut std valve? mine vanished
Yup still got my standard Bosch DV. so we can share :)
Z - aren't they different types?
or am I barking
0-60 proves JS on power
M
Nope as far as im aware the DV is identical, on all the 20VT Engines including the Vdubs and Audis.
Danny at RSD had a handsome collection in a box, all taken from various VAG cars, all identical.
I have been browsing the TT forums on Audiworld
and seen some Dyno results there (for stock 180bhp)
it seem that stock engines with the DV006 have a little
advantage over stock,altough mainly noticed with the 225
version i suspect it has to do with higer turbo pressures
running smoother on the Forge,i guess chiped Cupras
will benefit more then stock with the 1 bar configuration.
few similer examples on the TT225 were something like:
stock-220bhp,219bhp,222bhp,225bhp numbers
stock with DV006-229bhp,233bhp,234bhp,and so on...
not much but enough to prove a point.
The DV's are identical, when we were trying to get the old one off the other day we went to a VW dealership and had a look at a Golf 1.8T and it was the same and plus there are VW and Audi markings all over!
Mine been going for 5 days now and cant feel any problems apart from it isnt very loud and needs more boost so I am told!
Seem to have started something!
Just general interest i think, people have been asking about Atmospherics for ages and ages, now they seem to be available, and supposedly safe to use, so why not test em.
Me personally am quite happy with my DV006, whooshing doesn't apeal to me, more the fact my car goes some ;) but im happy to volunteer to aid in an experiment, using mine and Sauls cars as test beds, seems logical hence we have the ability to be both a standard car and a tuned one.
To be honest im not expecting much of a difference, but it'll be fun all the same.
It sounds sweet but It is a Wastegate Chatter not a Tssssh! that people were maybe expecting!
Anything is worth a try and we will be doing something similar at GTi INternational :)
Cool, a rolling road at GTI.
Shock_Xe
08-05-2002, 14:10
any chance of recording the noise from the DV and putting into a wave file and uploading it to forum for people to hear and discuss please??? thanks
Shock ...... above my exhaust and the fact that the engine is sound deadened you can hear it better in the car, I will see if we can do it at GTi when I try it on Steves Jabba Sport Chipped Ibiza and a Leon as well :)
Sounds okay just not loud!
Shock_Xe
08-05-2002, 20:45
great cheers, anyway dont want nething loud just subtle to let ppl know... Or if you like loud the loudest dump valve in the world at 110db is available fot the TT :) :)
Forge Motorspor
08-05-2002, 21:04
Lets see how the tests go .
I dont think that we will see the power loses some people are talking about .
If it does not perform ( 004 valve) we wont offer it for sale.
The 007P and 006 is tried and tested so this will be interesting.
We actually ran a 004 on our 275BHP TT for 3 months with no loss of power or idleing problems..
I will be in touch with all who E mailed me tomorrow
Impossible
08-05-2002, 22:34
Hi
Hybrid valve's will be arriving tomorrow 08/05/02, All up for testing, I think Roly has already said that he would try the valves and give his review.
Mic
/me is off to buy shares in jubily clips.
Guys, when changing the valve you have to cut the old clips off and replace with jubily clips so if your planning to swap and then swap back after testing go out and get a couple of clips.
I will be fitting the GFB (2 in 1) valve tomorrow and have been assured by NewDimension that there willl be not problems with it at all. no possible damage and no MAF problems. They have been running them on the 1.8t's for ages with no problems.
I'll post pictures and results tomorrow and will try to get a sound clip for you. i can see myself taping a PC mike under the bonnet to my laptop at this rate :)
Piccy attached of the GFB valve (and bits)
Shock_Xe
10-05-2002, 09:26
looks bigger than most :/ or is that me?
Tis bigger but it is nice and shiney:D
attached is a pic of it on a golf. (similar sized gap).
The orientation of the valve will be different on ours though. With the valve 'standing up' in the gap.
Although it is going to be that same problem as the bigger forge valve with it rubbing on the air con pipes...
However - A bracket to hold the valve clear of it will be in the pipe line. Untill then, some red gaffer tape round the pipe should look really attractive!
sportbilly
10-05-2002, 10:23
This should be the same as the Leon.
Smithrc,
Any news on setting up a UK distributor for these, I ask this as once all these tests are history are we going to struggle to get our hands on one!!
Already in the pipe line. Along with a discount for Enthusiast members.
Price will be about £140.
I've decided too get the valve on mine tonight!
I will post pics and sound clip tomorrow.
Shock_Xe
10-05-2002, 10:41
so due to its size and limited space in the beeza the question is??? Will it Fit??
Yes. It WILL fit :)
Like the chrome Forge DV, it might be tight and involve a bit of rubbing until I sort it out.
I can't see any major problems.
Russell, are you going to GTi? I cant remember if you are or not?
Si
Tazkenny
10-05-2002, 12:54
I used to drive a cossie with loads of boost. I went out and spent loads on a Bailey DV and fitting kit. When I sold the car I took it off and put the plastic Bosh DV in its place. It sounded the same / did the same.
The motto is... why not just un-plug the recirc pipe, plug it with a £2 plug available from autoshops and halfords and viola. Noisy DV. Going to try this tonight....
sportbilly
10-05-2002, 12:57
This may work but the 2in1 valve does both, recirc and noise.
Give it a go and see what happens.
I think that the newer low pressure turbo's like VAG run 'normally' like SAAB & Volvo are meant to have some kind of feedback / recirc.
BUT - I suppose you would want to provide some kind of filter on the top of the pipe? so that you didn't suck in a fly into your turbo at 12,000rpm or whatever they spin at
M
Tazkenny
10-05-2002, 13:28
No need, the output from the DV is exactly just that. No way for anything to ingress into the engine. The turbo sucks from the air filter anyway.
p.s. they spin at about 90,000 RPM or thereabouts
so where does it divert to?
or am i being thick?
back into the intercooler would be the only place I could think of it going?
Tazkenny
10-05-2002, 13:33
Ah, I see what you mean now. No, the £2 aluminium plug fits to that pipe to completey block it.
ibizacupra
10-05-2002, 15:00
Originally posted by smithrc
Already in the pipe line. Along with a discount for Enthusiast members.
Price will be about £140.
I've decided too get the valve on mine tonight!
I will post pics and sound clip tomorrow.
£140!
Is it twice as good as a forge one then?
A Lot of money
Bill
And for a small amount more you could get a Huricain air filter from Bill (you) and get a similar noise (and induction roar)
LOL :D :D
GTI - wasnt planning on it
But I might if I get the DV done tonight and clean it early tomorrow.
hmmm where is it?
j/k ill find it IF I decide too come.
ibizacupra
10-05-2002, 20:56
Originally posted by smithrc
And for a small amount more you could get a Huricain air filter from Bill (you) and get a similar noise (and induction roar)
LOL :D :D
Well now you come to mention it :D
:) :) :)
Bill
:p :p :p
Skoda4x4
13-05-2002, 17:48
Hey All,
I ordered a DV from New Dimensions on Friday 3rd May. Got an e-mail back that day saying the had recieved my order and would mail me once dispatched. The assured me that they had them in stock and could ship on recipt of my order. 10 days later, no e-mail, no DV.
:mad:
Mmmm when I emailed the Sales Team at New Dimensions they got back to eme within an hour and then Russell went over and they gave him one whilst he was over there!
Now thats what I call getting serviced lol
Guys,
I have got the valve on and working.
It sounds good !
(Link (http://****************************/forum/viewthread.php?tid=383) )
I have not seen any engine management problems.
The car seems to be crisper when driving hard (pulls easier than it did) and so far have had no hesitations, a problem I suffered from previously.
It is fitted and DOSN'T rub on anything!
Pics attached.
Skoda4x4 - are you in Scotland? is your name Dave (or similar)
I'm sure they mentioned your order while I was out there. (i saw them on the saturday 4th May)
Shock_Xe
16-05-2002, 15:30
Originally posted by smithrc
Guys,
I have got the valve on and working.
It sounds good !
(Link (http://****************************/forum/viewthread.php?tid=383) )
I have not seen any engine management problems.
The car seems to be crisper when driving hard (pulls easier than it did) and so far have had no hesitations, a problem I suffered from previously.
It is fitted and DOSN'T rub on anything!
Pics attached.
Skoda4x4 - are you in Scotland? is your name Dave (or similar)
I'm sure they mentioned your order while I was out there. (i saw them on the saturday 4th May)
Hmm, is it a proper whoosh noise??? When does it do it i.e. what rpm
cheers
Have a look at the link - there is a sound clip (as prommised) on there.
It sounds great.
It is a propper ppsssttt. I'm not sure how the adjustment of the valve works but mine dosnt dump loudly until about 4k.
I'll have a fiddle tomorrow to see what difference the adjustment makes.
Shock_Xe
16-05-2002, 21:54
Had a look at link before i posted question, alot of engine/exhaust noise (Assume you got performance exhaust) sounded loud and drowned out psshhhh, but still sounds nice, According to impossible performance they only whoosh when driven 'hard' but 4k aint really 'hard'.... hard is when its bouncing off the rev limiter :)
The exhaust is standard :)
Sound clip sound cool dosnt it.
According to impossible performance they only whoosh when driven 'hard' but 4k aint really 'hard'
Hmmm anyone actually got one from them yet?
The guys in the US told me that they are fully adjustable.
The adjustment changes the spring rate that allows the valve to vent to atmosphere.
So when the spring is soft the piston moves further, easier. when the spring is harder it dosnt vent as easily, so recircs more than dumps.
This may be a stupid question but how do you register on the seat enthusiasts site. I click on the "sign up" link but the page just says "coming soon", without a logon I can not hear the clip :( . Does anybody know how to sign up or can someone send me the sound clip :D (brian.p.smith@marconi.com)?
Cheers,
Brian
The main site registration is not in place yet.
Go onto the forum and register on that - different process but that the one you need to do.
I'll email it to you anyway.
Skoda4x4
18-05-2002, 22:27
Lads, you'll be glad to here, got mine at last :D
New Dimensions, nah, long story, but theyTold me they had them, then said they'd ran out, oh yeah they had them but in black, They pis@ed about. Did not deliver the goods.
So order one from Impossible, £148ish inc vat'n'p&p.
Will fit it on Monday , and let you know my experience.
SmithRC - sorry missed you pm.
Skoda4x4
20-05-2002, 22:30
Fitted the whoosy DV tonight. Fitted in 5 mins. Required a couple of hose clips.
The noise from it is the whossy noise you here from an RS Turbo. With a chatter.
Unfortuetly it is not very loud on my car with it being loudest at 2500rpm (floored). We tried all the various setting on it to no avail.
At this point we thought that it could be faulty and put it on the Audi s3.
Wow, you should here this thing. Not like any DV I've heard in a long time. And trust me I've heard a few!
The problem? Boost. My car only produces a peak boost of 0.65bar at 2500rpm and drops to between 0.42 & 0.5 the rest of the way up the rev range. But still produces 183.5bhp.
The S3 however produced a max of 1.3bar and dropped to I think 1.0bar.
I don'[t recommend a Blow off Valve to anyone running standard boost.
Going to Jabbasport very soon and will let you know what it sounds like when the boost is up.
sportbilly
21-05-2002, 08:58
Skoda4x4,
Was this the 2in1 BOV you fitted or the Forge one ?
Skoda4x4
21-05-2002, 19:01
Now why would I muck about and by a Forge DV. They make no difference at all. Folkk say sharper response and stuff. Now thats just no true, its all in their head.
Yes I bought the atmospheric BOV.
It need a lot of boost behind it give a really nice dump. Not for standard boost.l
I have a couple of sounds of my DV.
one is low boost
two is a high boost one
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/puntogtmpeg/files
Shock_Xe
23-05-2002, 23:42
Any1 else tried this one out yet??? I know some1 on seat enthusiasts tried one on a chipped cupra and sounds/works well apparently but the same as skoda 4x4 said needs bigger boost so chipped models only...
7 days and counting till i pick up my Beeza 20vt Cupra :) :) :) :) cant wait like a little kid.... straight for an apr chip then the mods will come a rolling ....
Skoda4x4
24-05-2002, 13:17
Shock_Xe -:
I have been considering tuning options for a very long time.
Crofter has a stamdard 180bhp Cupra R and bet (no doubt) an APR chipped one just the otherday at a dragstrip meet at Crail Raceway. They call it crail raceway, but its nothing more than an old airfield with timing lights.
I would think seriously about the APR chip. It's not the cheapest around. I am going to Jabbasport ath the end of next month as you all know. There re-mapping offers great value for money and allows the mapping to be suited to each car and they way the owners want it.
Investing in a hurricane air filter thing too before I go down so I can see which is better, it or the standard air box.
I a trying to create a stealth wagon, I mean who the 'eck would expect aa 240bhp Skoda to be flashing them out the way. Oh and a 4x4 one at that.
Regards to all.
peak power for the APR chipped cars from starperformance comes in way too early. under 5000rpm according to the graph on their site. out of interest what was the times for the cars
Side Show Turbo
24-05-2002, 15:39
As much as i would chip my car if i had the money to burn i am quite happy with my cars performance. At the rolling road at star my output was 164 b.h.p standard. Just spoke to Bill this morning a ordered a shiney Hurricane kit which i should get sometime next week. Its claimed to give you a extra 5-7 b.h.p which OK is not going to make a huge difference but my car should hopefully be about 170 b.h.p. Not far off the proven 180 brake of Lloyds (crofters) beezer R:D :D :D
Gareth
Originally posted by Gareth Fornell
As much as i would chip my car if i had the money to burn i am quite happy with my cars performance. At the rolling road at star my output was 164 b.h.p standard. Just spoke to Bill this morning a ordered a shiney Hurricane kit which i should get sometime next week. Its claimed to give you a extra 5-7 b.h.p which OK is not going to make a huge difference but my car should hopefully be about 170 b.h.p. Not far off the proven 180 brake of Lloyds (crofters) beezer R:D :D :D
Gareth
was that 164hp to standard air and temp by any chance. if so then it aint going to be that. I have had my car at star. it got 143hp on the day with the corrected figure at 153hp. standard is 130 so 23hp gain from a filter and exhaust I don't think so.
Side Show Turbo
24-05-2002, 17:20
Originally posted by vibrio
was that 164hp to standard air and temp by any chance. if so then it aint going to be that. I have had my car at star. it got 143hp on the day with the corrected figure at 153hp. standard is 130 so 23hp gain from a filter and exhaust I don't think so.
Mate.....aahem.....a standard Ibiza 20VT is not 130 b.h.p. Why would i lie when there is people on this site that can back me up. 164 was my reading which was about the same as the other 2 standard Ibiza 20 VT's. By the way what exhaust?? i never mentioned one. All i said my car was reading 164 and a Hurricane filter has a CLAIMED 5 - 7 B.H.P so that would take my up to around the 170 mark. I dont have a PHd in Mathematics but surely thats Primary school stuff!!:o
I ment my car, sorry should have made it more clear
I am not disbeliving you. all I am saying is that star make the correction for air temp and pressure. when I had my car done there I got 104hp at the wheels, drag was 39hp so a total of 143hp at the fly. but what they also did was correct this figure which ment at standard temp and pressure I would get 153hp at fly. what I wanted to know was what your peak power was before they did the correction. my car has 130hp as standard. it has a stainless steel filter and a magnex exhaust and it was running standard boost on that day which ment 10psi at 6000rpm. there is no way I would get 153 running standard boost with just a filter and exhaust
Shock_Xe
24-05-2002, 18:18
Originally posted by Skoda4x4
Shock_Xe -:
I have been considering tuning options for a very long time.
Crofter has a stamdard 180bhp Cupra R and bet (no doubt) an APR chipped one just the otherday at a dragstrip meet at Crail Raceway. They call it crail raceway, but its nothing more than an old airfield with timing lights.
I would think seriously about the APR chip. It's not the cheapest around. I am going to Jabbasport ath the end of next month as you all know. There re-mapping offers great value for money and allows the mapping to be suited to each car and they way the owners want it.
Investing in a hurricane air filter thing too before I go down so I can see which is better, it or the standard air box.
I a trying to create a stealth wagon, I mean who the 'eck would expect aa 240bhp Skoda to be flashing them out the way. Oh and a 4x4 one at that.
Regards to all.
As far as apr go the reason for choice is the cruise control and the switchable programs from standard to race and back which i would like to help with fuel econ and make it less dicrete that it is chipped
Side Show Turbo
24-05-2002, 18:28
Vibrio,
i have no idea. I tried to attach my printout via my scanner but it did not work. Only thing from it i can read is:
Air pressure......1015 mbar
Pressure 1........420 mbar
Air temp............49 C
GAreth
http://upload.turbosport.co.uk/gallery5/2002524191337789516.jpg
mine pre bleed valve. no longer get the overboost but holds up to 19psi from 2800-4500rpm then it goes down to 10-15psi (depending on what it is set at)
Skoda4x4
24-05-2002, 19:25
Lads,
Quit this handbags at 40 pace sh*t.
The figures from Star, I believe that we are all wondering about the accuracy.
I have a 150bhp 2001 4x4 Octavia Turbo.
At the Star R/R I came back with 183.5bhp.
When talking to Mike from Jabba on the phone the other day I described my boost levels to him and he confirmed that it sounds like a 150bhp.
So how the hell did I walk with 183.5bhp.
Can't scan in my graph to let you look ut heres the figures.
Norm power p-Norm : 183.5bhp to DIN 70020
Engine Output p-Eng : 167.5 bhp
Wheel Output P-wheel : 100.0 bhp (4x4 remember)
Drag Output p- drag : 67.5 bhp
Torque = 171 lbs -ft
Air Pressure 1016mbar Air Temp 78c
Pressure 1 415 mbar
The Engine output of 167.5bhp would seem the most fitting value as I have a 2001 which is fitted with the larger turbo but still run standard mapping. Mike at Jabba reakons that a figure of between 160-170bhp is normal for this combo.
With my up and coming Jabba chip with curry sauce, the car should produce 220bhp ( his figure, not mine)
thats the point I was trying to make. the higher figure is because they adjust the figure to a standard air temp and pressure.
Side Show Turbo
24-05-2002, 19:45
Im not disputing anything. 164 b.h.p.......34b.h.p. Either way im not bothered. As i said in my first post i am very happy with my cars performance. If i had the big bucks to "waste" chippin my beeza i would. That is all i have to say on the subject. Please dont turn this thread into whos faster/whos daddies richer/ whos got the biggest **** collection like past threads:D :cool:
Skoda4x4
24-05-2002, 19:47
This argument has been debated before, but to no real conclusion,
Firstly, I was not spending money with them at the time. So why would they give me a higher figure. I could see the point if I had just gave them 500 squid to chip it.
Secondly you would think they wouold give you a lower figure because I came back with 183.5bhp and there apr chip gives 195bhp. I am more likely to spend that money if the had said I'd got 150bhp. But they've done themselves out a sale now. I'm not going to spend my 500 squid and gain 12 bhp
Lastly, The to DIN 70020 is a UK British Standard. This means it has to be right or something is far wrong.
Originally posted by Gareth Fornell
Im not disputing anything. 164 b.h.p.......34b.h.p. Either way im not bothered. As i said in my first post i am very happy with my cars performance. If i had the big bucks to "waste" chippin my beeza i would. That is all i have to say on the subject. Please dont turn this thread into whos faster/whos daddies richer/ whos got the biggest **** collection like past threads:D :cool:
you do. I deleted mine when I moveed in with my chick 8 weeks ago :D
Skoda4x4
Hows the valve going?
ive tested mine for power loss and can thankfully say that after 600 miles, there has been no problems with it and there is no power loss. I got 160.99bhp with both valves :). torque varied by a couple of ft/lbs.
How much did the newdimentions valve work out once you had it in your hand?
I will back New dimension up a bit. I had their last silver one. they had red and black only left when I was there.
I am loughted to admit it but I was well un impressed with the valve.... until I fitted it correctly. ;) . Have you put it in the same way round as the original?
my boost is standard and the noise is good....
Skoda4x4
26-05-2002, 19:41
SmithRC,
What do you mean by fitted it correctly? I assumed that there was only one way to fit it? The same way as the original.
I have just been out and turned the valve around the other way and I am very glad to report the valve works well and now does dump. How stoopid do I feel. But easy mistake
If you are buying one of these dump valves, be sure to fit it the WRONG way round. Do NOT fit it the same way the original came out. The trumpet should face the underside of the bonnet and the vacuum hose sould point 90 degrees from its original position. See SnithRC's pic for clarification:rolleyes: :D
LOL:D :D
That exactly what I did!
The pic is in a post above...
or click this....
http://www.seatcars.net/forums/attachment.php?s=&postid=54834
Hope your happier now :)
I mailed the NEW dimensions lot and they havent got back to me yet.... Thankfully it dawned on me one night laying in bed trying to work it all out.
billybob
27-05-2002, 18:52
Hi all.
Im new to this community. Ive just bought a second hand red ibiza cupra :D,Its fantastic, it has a very nice sounding exaust syatem that the last owner fitted. I am definately gonna get the 2 in 1 dump valve. Where do you recon the best place for me to get it from is? I live in england.
Thanks.
James.
How much are they from the cheapest source again?
cheers
Ben
Shock_Xe
27-05-2002, 22:49
Just under £150 from new dimensions USA after tax, shipping etc and £144.95 + shipping (Not sure bout Vat) from impossible performance UK
Pop over the the enthusiasts site - a group buy is on the cards from Impossible perrformance.
They are already offering enthusiasts 10% off or free shipping.
Skoda4x4
28-05-2002, 17:43
Now my DV is blowing off ( excuse the pun ), I decided to mess with something else.
I fitted a Pipercross Induction ki from a 225bhp TT last night.
I'm not too impressed, makes that growling noise low down as you would expect, have not noticed any changes in drivability or anything. Think I will swap back to the standard airbox, nothing wrong with it, its quiet and keeps my stealth mode in tact.
Great if your a wee mad metal Nova geek who thinks his 1.4 SR's quick
To spend 90 squid on one..................nah
Originally posted by Skoda4x4
SmithRC,
What do you mean by fitted it correctly? I assumed that there was only one way to fit it? The same way as the original.
I have just been out and turned the valve around the other way and I am very glad to report the valve works well and now does dump. How stoopid do I feel. But easy mistake
If you are buying one of these dump valves, be sure to fit it the WRONG way round. Do NOT fit it the same way the original came out. The trumpet should face the underside of the bonnet and the vacuum hose sould point 90 degrees from its original position. See SnithRC's pic for clarification:rolleyes: :D
DOH me too!!! good job these forums are here !!!