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Hello all,
I currently own a 206 GTi which is in the dealers under warranty repairs for the 3rd time in 6 months. Im beginning to wonder whether i've made the right choice of car.
Basically the build quality of Peugeots is crap and the tuning ability is way less then the Seats. People boast about their 150bhp engines and here if you've got less than 200bhp your laughed at.
I just want to know are Seats in general built well? With the VAG group behind it it should be right? Also, what would win in a straight line race between a 206 GTi and a Ibiza Cupra? Average 0-60 for the Pug is around 7.4 secs.
Peugeot better sort out my car otherwise i'd be tempted to go for a Cupra. Better phone up my local seat dealer and get a test drive methinks.
Paul.
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primekart
25-09-2001, 09:41
You are mistaken, my friend!
The official 0-62 MpH for the 206 GTI is 8.9 sec.!!!
The Ibiza's official time is 7.9 sec. and in real life, (driver only), it is 7.0 sec.!!!
The 206 is superior in B road drivability but the Ibiza is a winner on the strait line, build quality, the VAG warranty and hardware, buying and maintenance costs.
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SEAT Ibiza 1.8 20V Turbo Sport, Yellow, YM 2002.
SEAT Sport Club of Israel (http://clubs.yahoo.com/clubs/seatsport)
Ahh,
But you see that is also the 'official' 0-62 time for the Peugeot. But in reality it is around 7.4s or less!
Paul.
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Having traded in my Passat TDI 115bhp Sport for an Ibiza Cupra I don't think SEAT are quite there yet with the build quality to match VW. Certainly not on the Ibiza, too many rattles and squeaks and switches feel flimsy. The best point about these cars is the 1.8 20VT engine which has great potential. I've also owned an Impreza Turbo and although time may have affected my brain, I still get the same buzz from the beezer as I did from my Scooby. Definitely worth a test drive!
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Ditch the 206 and get the ibiza. Test drove both and preferd the iniza and also dusted a couple of the 206's bigger brothers the gti-6 on the straight and the 306 never got past on the corners where i slowed down a lot more than them.
Mark
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Comedy Si
25-09-2001, 18:31
Agree with everything Kewe says about build quality. it's good, but NOT VW quality, and to be honest not so much different from what all manufacturere's are putting out nowadays.
the engine in the 20VT is excellent, the chaasis now becoming very aged...i had a 106GTI before this 20VT and it too suffered many MANY tech problems...
HOWEVER...
if you can stretch to it, test drive a Clio 172. i test drove one this weekend, felt just like my old Williams 3, but a lot better. it's all over an Ibiza, and beats anything else out there less than 30k...
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Comedy Si
Sure i know the clio 172 is a good handler but the seat once chipped would finish it.
Im only interested in the Seat because of its tuning potential with the 1.8 Turbo 20v Engine.
Oh and build quality of course.
I've not really seen any problems on this Seat forum regarding the Ibiza Cupra. Try going to a 206 forum and you will see the difference.
That Amethyst Cupra with 210 bhp sounds too good to believe. A 15k car which could (in theory) challenge a boxster S at the lights?
That really is impressive.
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primekart
26-09-2001, 09:30
<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by alias23:
Ahh,
But you see that is also the 'official' 0-62 time for the Peugeot. But in reality it is around 7.4s or less!
Paul.
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Well, real life tests in Israel for the 206 GTI never got less then 8.5 sec. dash 0-62 MpH! I've never heard about better times for the 206. "Show me the money"!
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SEAT Ibiza 1.8 20V Turbo Sport, Yellow, YM 2002.
SEAT Sport Club of Israel (http://clubs.yahoo.com/clubs/seatsport)
Well im sorry but if your unable to get a 0-62mph dash in under 8 seconds for a 206 GTi then im afraid your not driving it very well.
The 206 GTi is faster (albeit slightly) than both the 106 Gti and the 306 GTi-6. It is by no means a slow car.
I myself have posted a 0-60 dash of 7.2 seconds in my car. Go figure.
Paul.
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Almost forgot.
Autoexpress ran a 0-60 test for the 206 and managed 7.1!
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Why is it so many people are obsessed by 0-60 times?!
The 0-60 time really isn't all that important! In the "real world", the mid range acceleration is much more important and a better measure of speed. The 0-60 time is dependant on so many things, that is why you will see times varying by as much 1-2 seconds for identical cars.
Things like available grip, tyre pressures, gear change, air temperture how loose the engine is etc are all factors that have a stake in the overall time.
I've seen times for the Clio 172 Sport vary from between 6.5 to 8.5secs 0-60!
Another major factor is how the car was timed. If it was by a stop watch..........forget it!
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ibizacupra
26-09-2001, 19:07
<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by alias23:
Sure i know the clio 172 is a good handler but the seat once chipped would finish it.
Im only interested in the Seat because of its tuning potential with the 1.8 Turbo 20v Engine.
Oh and build quality of course.
I've not really seen any problems on this Seat forum regarding the Ibiza Cupra. Try going to a 206 forum and you will see the difference.
That Amethyst Cupra with 210 bhp sounds too good to believe. A 15k car which could (in theory) challenge a boxster S at the lights?
That really is impressive.
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There's more to speed than straight lines....
0-60 is for the pub talk bragging. Come the 1st corner, the boys will be sorted from the men, and the wannabie cars from the engineered ones.
Boxter S in straight line performance - probably close based on my Jettas on track experience with similar power to my 210 beezer. Corners - No Chance... Boxter S every time. (driver depending) This is from experience of on track driving against Boxter S's. It is'nt going to be close and the Ibiza will be anihalated (spelling) sadly.
I hope to hell the PSS9's make the difference, as there is a big gap in the handling dept without them.
Bill
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[Message edited by ibizacupra on 26 September 2001.]
Comedy Si
26-09-2001, 20:08
iBIZAcUPRA IS completely right. point a 172 down any decent drivers road, then put a 20VT down the same road. Then...
1. Count the seconds difference between them
2. Look at the smiles on each driver
3. See which one was more scared
I'll not give you long odds on who the winner is...
PS i'm on my 3rd SEAT too, and it's a 20VT, but i've also had several fast renaults and pugs beforehand. i'm afraid my next car will be a 172...
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Comedy Si
ibizacupra
26-09-2001, 21:25
<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Comedy Si:
iBIZAcUPRA IS completely right. point a 172 down any decent drivers road, then put a 20VT down the same road. Then...
1. Count the seconds difference between them
2. Look at the smiles on each driver
3. See which one was more scared
I'll not give you long odds on who the winner is...
PS i'm on my 3rd SEAT too, and it's a 20VT, but i've also had several fast renaults and pugs beforehand. i'm afraid my next car will be a 172...
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I think the discussion here is related to the fun traffic light grand prix, and the flat out driving which cannot safely be done on any public road. We can all have a blast away from the lights and play racing driver for a moment, but there is a wholel lot more to driving a fast road car fast. On the normal roads I thought my beezer was ok, not brilliant, but OK. On track, its problems were highlighted 10 fold, and I did have a comparison, benchmark with my other road car. There was a chasm sadly between the beezer on track and a good track road car. Suspension I think it the issue, and will shortly be proving and playing with it to try and eliminate the issues associated with 210bhp and an Ibiza.
As for how many seconds, it was 9 seconds at Castle Combe..1m24s vs 1m33s. Both did 120mpg up into Avon rise, one could stop quickly and cone could'nt. Oct 13th is coming soon, and the beezer should be wearing its PSS9's by then, so.. hopefully it will be nicer then.
If anyone is in doubt, book yourself in at Combe for the 13th and get some times to compare. It will feel quick, but is it quick. No safer place to try. The roads are no place to exercise a Cupra these days.. Too many cops, cameras and Gatso's http://www.seatcupra.net/forums/frown.gif
Enjoy
Bill
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Lucky_32
26-09-2001, 22:15
The 206 is fast against a 16 valver as it has that extra ratio to keep it in the zone (I had one keep up with me - (mind you I wan't driving like a complete looney). Against a 20 valve turbo I thin the Beezer would beat the 206 for in-gear acceleration - it's not all 0-60.
Ever gone up against a Volvo T5 on the motorway? - Don't (especially if it has a light pod on the top http://www.seatcupra.net/forums/biggrin.gif).
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Boot it.....
Where is castle coombs? and can i come even though i drive a 206 GTi? Im sure it will be interesting.
Im not racing no 210bhp seat though!
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Whilst I agree the Clio 172 is a mighty fine handling car the thing has to be revved hard to get anything out of it. Apart from that, my girlfriend has one which just about sums it up really!
I'm waiting for the new RSI(?) Golf to show it's face!
As for the handling on the 20VT, it is shall we say "interesting". I too hope the PSS9 Billies can help.
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Comedy Si
27-09-2001, 12:30
Top Boss - oooooo nice girlfriend! if she's got taste like that, what's she doing with you...????
ATB - S
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Comedy Si
ibizacupra
27-09-2001, 12:35
<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by alias23:
Where is castle coombs? and can i come even though i drive a 206 GTi? Im sure it will be interesting.
Im not racing no 210bhp seat though!
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The day is a VW/Audi Driver magazine day, and they only open it up to VAG cars (Seat, VW, Audi, Skoda - Bentley??)
I doubt they would let a non-VAG car in as they are snobby like that.
You could always ask. http://www.autometrix.co.uk for details and contact numbers.
regards
bill
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ibizacupra
27-09-2001, 12:36
<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Lucky_32:
The 206 is fast against a 16 valver as it has that extra ratio to keep it in the zone (I had one keep up with me - (mind you I wan't driving like a complete looney). Against a 20 valve turbo I thin the Beezer would beat the 206 for in-gear acceleration - it's not all 0-60.
Ever gone up against a Volvo T5 on the motorway? - Don't (especially if it has a light pod on the top http://www.seatcupra.net/forums/biggrin.gif).
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In gear acceleration is superb. Agree entirely. http://www.seatcupra.net/forums/smile.gif
Bill
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<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Comedy Si:
Top Boss - oooooo nice girlfriend! if she's got taste like that, what's she doing with you...????
ATB - S
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Should have seen that one coming!
Si............you are a total ba5tard!!!lol http://www.seatcupra.net/forums/smile.gif
Just out of interest, why don't you spend a little on your 20VT in sorting the handling out?
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good thread this http://www.seatcupra.net/forums/wink.gif
I've had a Silver Cupra 20VT for about a month and a half now and love it. I too was faced with the same dilemma regarding the 206 GTi or Ibiza Cupra 20VT (or even the little MG 160 thing).
Anyway... I got the Ibiza because I love the idea of how tuneable it is, there is a 'rarity' factor to them, definately not with 206 GTi's (they are *everywhere*) and it just felt great to drive.
Performance wise... now the car has loosened up it goes like a rocket. Before this car I had a 270bhp Impreza WRX with various goodies on it and o.k. the Ibiza is not as quick but it still gives me the same buzz. I've just gotta get the 210 conversion now and I am pretty sure it will give some Impreza / GTi-R owners a fright.
And... the Ibiza has a certain degree of rallying heritage behind it, that's really attractive to me.
I personally am glad I didn't get a 206 GTi, even though I think they look really nice.
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