View Full Version : ordered bushes and have a couple of questions.
cordobabrendy
18-02-2005, 19:52
hey up , ive just ordered a set of the dogbone mount bushes fmpff85-420, forgot to ask if there is any cupranet discount and also when will i find out how much postage is?
cheers.
hey up , ive just ordered a set of the dogbone mount bushes fmpff85-420, forgot to ask if there is any cupranet discount and also when will i find out how much postage is?
cheers.
ERM same as above,discount and postage
cordobabrendy
18-02-2005, 21:11
even mainland a lottery? i thought it was because im in northern ameriland.
Just ordered too, same questions.
cordobabrendy
18-02-2005, 21:16
do i get a finders fee?
also do forge sell electric blue paint...haha
cordobabrendy
20-02-2005, 21:23
biggety biggety bump!
cordobabrendy
21-02-2005, 19:15
3.40 first class i was quoted jase. not too bad tbh, bit of lead time, its ok though.
I was quoted 10 days delivery but got mine today. Top service!
gratefully received,cheers,not sure about the novelty condom though :confused: :D
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/0903/jason-p/stuff051.jpg
cordobabrendy
24-02-2005, 18:56
friggin royal maim..
Got mine today,anyone care to post a step by step guide to fitting sequence with torque settings (as I read they are critical to vibration) assuming I can get access to a ramp tomorrow?
Cheers
Some of the recent threads about the EIP dogbone mount talk about the torque settings, think they were 33lb for the 16mm bolts and 20 for the 13mm with threadlock to stop em falling out. Simple unbolt job I assume. Might be a bit of prising the old bushes out.
http://www.neuspeed.com/data/installs/22.10.89.pdf
That maybe useful.
gratefully received,cheers,not sure about the novelty condom though :confused: :D
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/0903/jason-p/stuff051.jpg
i didnt know power flex were making condoms
cordobabrendy
26-02-2005, 09:44
received mine this morning hurrah.
think ill fit it later, i take it i can easily prop the car up on axle stands, use the trolley jack to support the engine and do a straight swap on the bushes with the dogbone off?
I fitted the EIP last week and it was an easy job to lift the car support on axle stands and remove the original DB as the neuspeed instructions describe. no need to support engine (as long as your other engine mounts are fine!). I did need to rock the engine back about an inch when re fitting, but it is surprisingly easy to move when there's no dogbone mount installed.
I would be interested to know what you chaps think about the Forge/Powerflex Bushes. I know the EIP mount does the job well and there's little or no noticeable harshness but the mount is exactly the same as the OEM one the only difference with the silver one is the different rubber bushes and the fact that the long bolt that holds the assembly together has been welded in place. So you cannot refit other bushes to a EIP mount!?
I still have the OEM mount so may consider getting some forge bushes at a later date and trying them as well. I know the OEM bushes are very flexible when you look at them.
Cheers
Perry
cordobabrendy
26-02-2005, 10:18
as you can see from jases pic above, they are forge supplied though are made by powerflex and is exactly the same model listed for the mark iv golf, when mine is fitted ill post up with pics.
brend let me know how you get on,fitted my coolant temp sensor this morning and i had a bit of a look around,can't find the bugger yet :redface:
grant@westec.uk
26-02-2005, 10:46
Easy to fit guys, unbolt chassis side of mount, old bushes normally fall out. Some times you really have to squeeze the new bushes down to get the nut back on the end of the mount.
cordobabrendy
26-02-2005, 10:48
the dogbone jase? its between the gearbox and chassis mate, id say its directly under the radio section of the dash underneath the car. ill get a pic for you.
cordobabrendy
26-02-2005, 10:51
http://www.westecperformance.co.uk/EIPtransmountinstructions.htm
from grants very own site!
cheers mucker,and grant ;)
no wonder i could see it from up top :)
cordobabrendy
26-02-2005, 11:13
yea its quite low down and only really accesible when on ramps or stands.
edit: do you think i really need a torque wrench or hand tight will do?
wrong tension results in vibration from memory.torque wrench is circa 12 quid iirc,
cordobabrendy
26-02-2005, 11:20
ahh thatll do nicely, halfords site was quoting 49.
grant@westec.uk
26-02-2005, 11:23
yea its quite low down and only really accesible when on ramps or stands.
edit: do you think i really need a torque wrench or hand tight will do?
Lol, just read that bit myself, wonder who'd pick up on it first. :hide:
Anyone else fitted theirs yet? Makes quite a difference, no more hopping. And gear changes are improved a bit too. I am getting some vibrations though, particularly at idle. I attempted to torque it up properly but I did it on axle stands which was quite awkward. I also mananged to round off one of the mount to subframe bolts and drive over my jack and break it (my usual amount of success).
I might try refitting one of the OE bushes as mentioned in the Neuspeed guide if the vibrations don't go away/annoy me. That's assuming I can undo that bloody bolt.
cordobabrendy
27-02-2005, 18:01
steve, i never got a chance to do mine, was looking after littleun yesterday and was out at two club meets today :( , the vibration will subside as the bush beds in (read: becomes a little more pliable)
cordobabrendy
27-02-2005, 18:04
drive over my jack and break it (my usual amount of success).
hahahahaha sounds like something id do, was driving off the other day after fitting my new pagids and bulbs, got 50 yards and head (and felt) what sounded like part of the engine falling off, got out, was one of the allen keys from the engine bay that id left on the airbox cover while fitting new bulbs! :blink:
Easy to fit guys, unbolt chassis side of mount, old bushes normally fall out. Some times you really have to squeeze the new bushes down to get the nut back on the end of the mount.
Yeah the mechanic that fitted mine used a vice this morning
also I have some vibration particularly when pulling away from a stop or accelerating hard. Hope it beds in soon or I could be back to standard or half standrad half poly
must start a bit of creaping around my next door neighbour,the one with the pit :)
expensive paper weights at the moment
The vibration in mine has got better, and I don't think it's just me getting used to it. Initially I thought there was no way I could live with it but now I hardly notice it. The steering wheel still vibrates a little at idle, and at about 1200 revs it seems like I have a boomy exhaust.
Pit would be useful. It was a bit awkward to get at with jack/stands.
The vibration in mine has got better, and I don't think it's just me getting used to it. Initially I thought there was no way I could live with it but now I hardly notice it. The steering wheel still vibrates a little at idle, and at about 1200 revs it seems like I have a boomy exhaust.
Pit would be useful. It was a bit awkward to get at with jack/stands.
that's a pefect description of what mine does too
mind you mines a diesel so vibration is probably greater
just fitted mine,bit of a bugger to get the bolt back through the bushes at first,then had to lift the engine up to get the two bolts back in.
vibrating quite a bit at idle,but noticeanble improvemtent when pulling off from junctions(quickly),less asr interfearance and more grip.
i have aquired a few more interior rattles at the moment, :( but on the whole ,not bad for 17 quid :thumbup:
Gave mine a proper test at the Keevil track day I went to last Monday. Big torque surges out of the corners resulted in wheelspin (and loads of tyre smoke!) rather than bouncing/hopping about all over the place.
it seems i have moved the exhaust when i took the mount off(didn't support engine),back box is vibrating on the heat shield.
did anyone else have to jack the engine up to line the bolts to holes on the front section?
we have done about 70 mile today and its a tad annoying thus far.
hope it subsides as the improvement is very apparent
How's the vibration now, guys?
From Grant's guide..........Remove the brace directly below mount
I take it that it's advisable to fit the bushes before putting an S3 lower strut brace on.......?
cordobabrendy
05-05-2005, 13:35
hanging my head in shame, ive not had a chance to fit mine yet, and wont for another few weeks as zoe is in hospital and im looking after the littleun!
I still get a bit of vibration at idle for the first 5 minutes or so until things warm up, then it's completely gone. Or I don't notice it anyway.
I still get vibration a low revs when pulling away from a stop.
Think I need to get half a normal bushing back in to cure this.
Thanks for your replies. :)
cordobabrendy
05-05-2005, 22:35
mark, ive not forgotten you matey!
no vibration at all now,or i have got used to what little there is now.it was quite bad to begin with,i almost felt like whipping them back off.
very very little wheel hop now,no vibration and its nowhere near the s3 brace on mine,should imaigne its the same on the leon.
Get well soon zoe :thumbup:
no vibration at all now,or i have got used to what little there is now.it was quite bad to begin with,i almost felt like whipping them back off.
very very little wheel hop now,no vibration and its nowhere near the s3 brace on mine,should imaigne its the same on the leon.
Get well soon zoe :thumbup:
Jason, do you reckon you could get the bushes in without removing the brace?
And yes - Get well soon Zoe :)
cordobabrendy
05-05-2005, 23:00
cheers jase/dpj, gonna be a bit longer before i get the bushes on as she has had some complications and the op didnt quite go to plan yesterday, 45min turned to 4 hour panic session.
yeh ,peice of cake. support engine,take off dogbone,fit bushes,then replace put in bolts,torque up,take out engine support.
didn't support mine and had a bit of a job lining up the bolts,when we got them in ,my exhaust had a bit of a rattle till it all settled again
cordobabrendy
05-05-2005, 23:09
front of the car on axle stands, then use the trolley jack to support is the route ill be going.
cheers jase/dpj, gonna be a bit longer before i get the bushes on as she has had some complications and the op didnt quite go to plan yesterday, 45min turned to 4 hour panic session.
Sorry to hear that, Brendy. When's she likely to be out? Long convalescence?
yeh ,peice of cake. support engine,take off dogbone,fit bushes,then replace put in bolts,torque up,take out engine support.
didn't support mine and had a bit of a job lining up the bolts,when we got them in ,my exhaust had a bit of a rattle till it all settled again
Jase, sorry to query - is this while your lower brace was fitted? :confused:
Jase, sorry to query - is this while your lower brace was fitted? :confused:
yes mate,didn't need to move it at all,tbh i forgot i had one fitted,it looks that stealthy :redface:
cordobabrendy
05-05-2005, 23:23
yea mate, gallbladder op to remove it was supposed to be keyhole, they started the op, gave her the relaxant and she went into amaphalactic shock (sp), they struggled to get the airway tube in to help her then found she had abnormal vessels where they were going to go through so full 7 inch slice across now with 3 holes and a drain for now, shes going to be taking it easy for a few months, she said that the pain was worse than the c section when hollie was born!!
yea mate, gallbladder op to remove it was supposed to be keyhole, they started the op, gave her the relaxant and she went into amaphalactic shock (sp), they struggled to get the airway tube in to help her then found she had abnormal vessels where they were going to go through so full 7 inch slice across now with 3 holes and a drain for now, shes going to be taking it easy for a few months, she said that the pain was worse than the c section when hollie was born!!
I hope it goes smoothly for her now. Look after her! :) It can't be easy for you at the moment.
yes mate,didn't need to move it at all,tbh i forgot i had one fitted,it looks that stealthy :redface:
Cheers Jason. No doubts now. :D
mark, ive not forgotten you matey!
don't worry - i'm getting used to it
Bushes ordered. Good online purchasing, Forge. You could do with a box to enter a discount code (and a code to enter therein.) :D
Fitted my powerflex bushes today! I'm staggered at the difference they make to the car - and no real vibration issues. :thumbup: :thumbup: :thumbup:
Mine has done 30k miles and the OEM ones were well past their sell-by date.
I'd really recommend this. Has anyone considered / changed any of the other bushes to powerflex? www.powerflex.co.uk (http://www.powerflex.co.uk)
Thanks for the discount Forge :thumbup:
cordobabrendy
14-05-2005, 17:54
ill eventually get mine done, maybe tomorrow if sun keeps its head up.
ill eventually get mine done, maybe tomorrow if sun keeps its head up.
It's a relatively easy job. If you haven't got access to a vice, a pair of B&Q style quick clamps are excellent. I'm amazed at how many car-related jobs I've used them on. http://www.screwfix.com/sfd/i/cat/82/p1127282_x.jpg
How's Zoe doing?
cordobabrendy
14-05-2005, 18:19
she was up in bed sleeping and taking it easy for a change, she rushes round trying to tidy up when she should be resting, makes me look bad when i do things at my own pace!
Shes just had her staples out and is still in a bit of john wayne but it can only get better now, her mum is going to help her from monday on , during the days as im going back to work, quickest two weeks ever i think.
I fitted mine this weekend to my Oct vRS and the old ones do look rather shot. Whilst the drive line is very tight now there is lots of vibration when pulling away and generally anytime below 2000 rpm. Does this reduce after they bed in or is there anything that can be done to reduce it? The mechanic who helped me get it back on did the nuts up with his electric gun and said it wouldn't make any odds what setting they were.
Chris
cordobabrendy
22-05-2005, 22:00
chris it does make odds, loosen them a bit for the vibration to lessen.
Assume you mean the two 13mm bolts that attach it to the chassis that need to be less torque. The mechanic just did it all up with his gun.
THe only bolt that should make a difference here is the single one that goes through the two new bushes - if that is too tight you will get excess vibration. That bolt is torqued up before the dogbone is fitted to the car
cordobabrendy
22-05-2005, 22:11
i stand slightly corrected, its the single one that needs loosening a little.
Yes, I just thought about that after posting, you must be right as the other two just locate it to the cross member.
i stand slightly corrected, its the single one that needs loosening a little.
It's not often I get it right. :D
Tight nuts aren't really my speciality. :blink:
all three bolts have torque settings,the links in this thread somewhere.
had mine on the vrs for s few months now chrish,vibration does disapear,after a while.and yes they were rather tired when i took the old ones out,well shot.
all three bolts have torque settings,the links in this thread somewhere.
had mine on the vrs for s few months now chrish,vibration does disapear,after a while.and yes they were rather tired when i took the old ones out,well shot.
As I said earlier in the thread, I reckon mine are torqued-up right and the diference is incredible. I have no nasty vibration - but I think I have got a sexy low-revs hudder. ooooooohhhhhhh :bleh:
Just out of interest, are the STANDARD dogbone mount/bushes tightened to the same torque?
What should the centre bolt be torqued to as the mechanic just put his gun on it even though I told him not to. Infact he did them all the same.
Am getting whole car vibration when letting clutch in and can see steering wheel shudder on tick over, also bad when using lots of throttle. I do have full Miltek so maybe that makes it worse. Does it settle down with sheer mileage or some full throttle use?
What should the centre bolt be torqued to as the mechanic just put his gun on it even though I told him not to. Infact he did them all the same.
Am getting whole car vibration when letting clutch in and can see steering wheel shudder on tick over, also bad when using lots of throttle. I do have full Miltek so maybe that makes it worse. Does it settle down with sheer mileage or some full throttle use?
Just 20 ft/lbs Chris see here (http://www.neuspeed.com/data/installs/22.10.89.pdf)
cordobabrendy
23-05-2005, 21:52
you need to slacken the bolt matey, if the bush is compressed in the first place its not going to have any give when stressed.
crish i found the exhaust started vibrating a bit ,this was due to having to jack the engine up a bit when refitting,it soon settled again.
i'd recomend checking them after a few miles(the bolts)just to check on torque settings. ;)
when the mechanic put mine in the bolt was short and the mount had to be pressed in a vice to get the bolt onto the threads
i just got an overweight neighbour to lean on mine ;)
I will try to get a torque wrench on the centre and side bolts as the guy just used an electric gun on all of them to the same, he is a VW mechanic and claims he knows what he is doing.
You'll have to remove the dogbone to torque-up the most critical bolt, Chris. :(
OK so I will go for 20lbf.ft on the centre bolt when I can get access to a ramp next.
Have to say vibration is pretty awful right now and think maybe its best to go back to the old bushes or half way house if this doesn't work
OK so I will go for 20lbf.ft on the centre bolt when I can get access to a ramp next.
Have to say vibration is pretty awful right now and think maybe its best to go back to the old bushes or half way house if this doesn't work
chrish,believe me its the torque settings.theres plenty on briskoda and here with them,a few minor vibrations till they loosen up a touch.just imagine yours are gunned on so theres no give in the bushes,so all the engine vibration is going straight through it.
chrish,believe me its the torque settings.theres plenty on briskoda and here with them,a few minor vibrations till they loosen up a touch.just imagine yours are gunned on so theres no give in the bushes,so all the engine vibration is going straight through it.
I agree 300% with what Jason says (here :D ). Take it all off and reinstall correctly, Chris. :)
Did a reinstall myself and ended up tightening the centre bolt more by feel. As its tightening onto the flexi itself I decided to back it off a turn or two and make sure it just wasn't loose otherwsie youre just squashing the bush more and more. Was going to use a torque wrench but it didn't go down down as low as 15-20lbf.ft the techi said.
It seems quite a bit better but still boomy when pulling away.
Does it get better as the bush flexes as maybe car needs a few full power sessions to flex it around?
cordobabrendy
26-05-2005, 00:31
chrish, take it easy for a while the mixture of heat and use will soften it, if you subject it to abuse early on itll not last long!
Seems a bit better but still harsh when pulling away unless more revs used than I ahve had to before. Got a ECL light on today, had one 6 mths before but nothing in particular could be diagnosed then. Will ask for a reset and list of codes.
Chris
Unless Im getting used to it it seems quieter to drive, just boomy when firing up and on tickover.
Off topic I know, but had the ECL diagnosed as Temp transmitter fault and had it changed for a new one; the techie said if that doesn't do it he reckons it might be the dump valve but have plenty of boost and sounds OK when dumping.
zynexiatech
03-06-2005, 06:44
Hi people gonna order some from forge soon just a couple of questions, the bolt that holds the mount in place what is this torq'd at? The rest of the torque settings are shown on here http://www.westecperformance.co.uk/EIPtransmountinstructions.htm
and also these are stretch bolts are they not so where did you get a set of new ones from?
Also how come on the pictures it shows 2 mounts but you only get one?
Hi people gonna order some from forge soon just a couple of questions, the bolt that holds the mount in place what is this torq'd at? The rest of the torque settings are shown on here http://www.westecperformance.co.uk/EIPtransmountinstructions.htm
and also these are stretch bolts are they not so where did you get a set of new ones from?
Also how come on the pictures it shows 2 mounts but you only get one?
See post #71 in this thread and the link to instructions there.
You get two bushes - see the pictures.
I re-used the existing bolts but used some Torque Seal on them.