View Full Version : Help - Arosa 1.4 8v
Right after having a Punto GT (about 160-170bhp) i'm having to sell it and stick with my Arosa( well dont have to but as it looks the muts nuts mite aswell).
So can anybody help me with what I can do to get more from this puny little engine???
cordobabrendy
18-02-2005, 22:14
20vt transplant, bill just got his wifes lupo done, give him a pm and he could tell you what sort of money.. btw its putting out 250+ :D
Thats not an option........I just need something to give me more out of this crappy engine.
cordobabrendy
18-02-2005, 22:22
erm............... through usual exhaust,induction kit and remap you might see 10 brake.
to be honest its not a very tuneable engine.
nitrous or maybe carbs if you can find a set of 40's or something, itll end up costing as much as a trannyplant.
Surely there must be something? Throttle boddies? I know there was a turbo'd Arosa, anybody know what company did it?
sure is easier to geta 2ovt ;)
But surely thats alot of work.....and money?
But surely thats alot of work.....and money?
be ur best bet and a very worth while mod ;)
cordobabrendy
18-02-2005, 22:45
get your hands on a baseline 156 bhp 20vt engine for less than a grand, allow another 1 for fitting, if it costs less , put it towards a remap or relocating the intercooler.
TSR turbo'd their 1.4 100 hp Arosa to give ~165bhp. You could put throttle bodies in but it won't be cheap.
you could go via head and cam work(if cams are available),but this would be only around 15 bhp i guess,and having to buy 2 cams would be costly.
perhaps you should of kept the fiat
scratch that i thought you meant 16v,so wouldn't cost as much :redface:
ibizacupra
19-02-2005, 18:13
But surely thats alot of work.....and money?
and throttle bodies are'nt? :confused:
Whats your budget and whats your expectation on power gains?
Phil__Arosa
23-02-2005, 00:53
get your hands on a baseline 156 bhp 20vt engine for less than a grand, allow another 1 for fitting, if it costs less , put it towards a remap or relocating the intercooler.
Tis a bit more work than that!!
If it only cost that much i think a lot more arosa/lupo owners would be doin it!!
You're money will be wasted tuning the 8v. a cheaper transplant would be the 1.6gti engine which should slot straight in if you can find someone to fit it cheaply.
cordobabrendy
23-02-2005, 00:59
youre not looking hard enough if you cant find one.
ibizacupra
23-02-2005, 09:20
get your hands on a baseline 156 bhp 20vt engine for less than a grand, allow another 1 for fitting, if it costs less , put it towards a remap or relocating the intercooler.
LOL you did'nt see my JBS bill did you Brendy.. :D
1 grand for installing..?
I could have bought a Lupo GTi for what its cost in total, but a Lupo GTi would'nt have 250bhp :D
cordobabrendy
23-02-2005, 13:08
bill id heard roughly how much yours cost, your wee motor is well ready for big power too, but for a "normal" punter wanting a 20vt arosa/lupo a little waiting and shopping around on labour will pay off, im going by what ive seen over here, i dont suspect its much different across the water.
a company with a big reputation charges big money, if you contact a smaller garage who are willing to do the work, will do it cheaper. as i said its all about shopping around for a competent (sp) workshop.
JBS Sales
23-02-2005, 16:32
You will find that the amount of time that is spent on the engine conversions can go on for weeks.
That is for the whole preporation in the engine bay.
We use the EUC that comes with the engine.
It has the whole of the wiring adapted to run the diagnostics and all the other sensors that go with the engine.
It is ALOT of hours but when you look at the finnished product you can see where the time has been spent.
It is not an easy procedure to replace the engine for a 1.8T and to think of the damage that could be caused , well it makes us slightly hessitant to take it to a little back street garage!
cordobabrendy
23-02-2005, 18:40
agreed, what im saying though, is (not using "backstreet garages") smaller garages have been known to have a lot of experience with certain types of engines, for example theres a garage in belfast that does nothing but vauxhalls, not a warranty or franchise in sight yet they have carried out some of the most complete and amazing vauxhalls to hit northern irish tarmac, from rwd novas to turbo'd all sorts, each car leaves the workshop 100%, This is the kind of place that does it for the love of motors, not just the money, btw thats not a dig, ive never even been to jbs and have only heard good things. My intention is not to bad mouth or query prices, just to say that big names arent the only people who can carry out more than satisfactory levels of work. There are a few fellas on here that will agree with what ive said about sourcing prices too.
ibizacupra
23-02-2005, 19:45
bill id heard roughly how much yours cost, your wee motor is well ready for big power too, but for a "normal" punter wanting a 20vt arosa/lupo a little waiting and shopping around on labour will pay off, im going by what ive seen over here, i dont suspect its much different across the water.
a company with a big reputation charges big money, if you contact a smaller garage who are willing to do the work, will do it cheaper. as i said its all about shopping around for a competent (sp) workshop.
Nope m8.. have to disagree. buy cheap get cheap. Buy cheap, buy twice.
1.8T into Lupo/Arosa is not simple, and could never be as cheap and simple as Mk2 Golf type installs. Its a Lupo/Arosa.. very different installation.
Yep sure there are cheaper places about, but you generally end up with aftermarket engine management as splicing new engine into other car causes issues on immobisers etc, talking to cars clocks etc etc etc. Retaining factory management retains all the nice things we take for granted in our modern cars. Not everyone can do this.
I would not want anyone offering to convert my car for a grand, anywhere bloody near the car as it will most likely end in tears. Each to their own of course.. but for me, quality of install was very important, reliability of the finished article of paramount importance as its Mrs B's car and TRUST that it woudl in fact be good when completed. A Leap of faith, but one based on seeing other installs and having confidence in the converting company. JBS Auto Designs in my example. Not cheap, but not expensive compared to the many many hours spent on it, and a top job, factory like fit, when done.
JBS have and are gaining a reputation for quality installs for sure, and there's a reason for that. James and Kev 'want it right' and will not cut corners for anything less. Combine this with a customer who also wants it right and has patience ( ;) James, Kev, Sarah :) ) and it all comes good in the end.
:cheers:
ibizacupra
23-02-2005, 19:49
just to say that big names arent the only people who can carry out more than satisfactory levels of work. There are a few fellas on here that will agree with what ive said about sourcing prices too.
I know what you're saying.. but converting for a grand will get you a grands worth of conversion.. which could'nt be a quality job. It takes too many hours to get a quality job, unless there's some charity work involved :D
JBS have a good reputation, and are a small company, and indeed could be described as backstreet by some by their small physical size. We all know it not size that counts tho eh :D :D :D (speaking as a big car, little d1ck bloke)
you know what I mean tho yea? :cheers:
Take the interior out and shed any other weight possible and dont get sticking any huge wheels on it.