Inlet Temp sensor & In car display? [Archive] - SEAT Cupra.net

cuprabaz

21-02-2005, 16:48

Saw one of these on a mates RS turbo, quite smart i thought.

What is the temp range of a vag outside temp sensor?

Would it be possible to hook another sensor up and tap it into the ic piping before the Inlet manifold and have a switch between the outside and the new sensor and still using the outside temp indicator on the radio console for both??

Or is there a kit for something similar?

any ideas?

jonathanp

21-02-2005, 17:03

interesting mod, could get a 3 way switch and have oil temp as well :D

cuprabaz

21-02-2005, 19:05

Now we're talking!!

Any auto electricians on here??

m0rk

21-02-2005, 19:16

your aircon & climate will be trollied as it 'needs' the outside temp

cuprabaz

21-02-2005, 19:43

If the air con and climate control weren't in use would it work?

Does anyone have an indicator/gauge for the inlet temp other than the vag-com?

Feel

21-02-2005, 19:53

I don't think the type of sensor used for the outside temp would work, or last long in the inlet (too hot/wrong sensor type). You could probably get an additional sensor that matches the output profile of the existing sensor, but it'd be a lot of faff to get it to work.

Autometer do a gauge for inlet temp, it includes the sensor, but they seem expensive - £150 + VAT IIRC.

I got one of these www.turbodisplay.com

http://www.seatcupra.net/forums/showthread.php?t=46526 (bill mentions another type in this thread)

I specifically wanted a separate temperature sensor to the oe fitted one (because of the heatsoak question), but if you just wanted an on-dash display, have a look for PDA based ODII tools, some of those has on-screen boost guages etc...

Shock_Xe

21-02-2005, 21:38

i thought of this and looked into it about 1 year back, firstly there is the aircon/climate control to think about plus then u have to have the right voltage and I doubt the range is as accurate/good/responsive as need be

Fl@pper

21-02-2005, 22:13

better off utilising the same technology and adding a seprate display

*tip* look in the maplins catalogue ;)

cuprabaz

21-02-2005, 22:22

will do, i'm sure i'll find something. I'll have a look through RS aswell.

Shock_Xe

22-02-2005, 07:59

Ive found a 2"x1" Temp display LED in RED very basic but clear. Waiting for price/details

Feel

22-02-2005, 08:54

better off utilising the same technology and adding a seprate display

*tip* look in the maplins catalogue ;)

I told that one of the issues is finding a sensor that reacts fast enough to be worthwhile. I'm sure it can be done though. I get the impression that the guy I got mine of will also supply sensors (including MAP sensors).

Already I'm wishing my bit of kit had more than one channel, it would be interesting to see aribox temp :hide:

I know steve schwing has all sorts of temp sensors on his TT, I think they're the same sort of thing as Daz mentioned. Might be some stuff on his fokti site.

Did you know that the MAP sensor *might* also have a temperature sender in it - although, again, I was told it doesn't react fast enough to be of any use. It might be an option though. If you look the MAP sensor has four pins, but one isn't connected. I've got the Bosch Sensor data sheets in a PDF - I could never find an exact match to my sensor though...

Matt J

05-03-2005, 06:13

Might just be easier to buy one :bleh:

http://www.passionford.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=10563

Shock_Xe

05-03-2005, 08:09

Might just be easier to buy one :bleh:

http://www.passionford.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=10563

have to be registered..... Anychance u can cut/paste details please??

ibizacupra

05-03-2005, 12:56

have to be registered..... Anychance u can cut/paste details please??

£42.50 delivered to suit RSTs and Cossies (direct fitment into OE fitting on inlet manifold), just two wires to connect (earth and ignition live) and a sensor to screw in inlet manifold.

Samples every 1s, backlit, reads up to a maximum of 69.9°C and comes with a lifetime warranty (manufacturing defects).

Mail me on mike@rjpipe.demon.co.uk to order...

http://www.randbmotorsport.co.uk/shop/Default.asp

more here ^^^ :cheers:

Feel

05-03-2005, 13:06

Bugger. Would've been a bit cheaper than the turbo display.

Another option - if you have a serial ODBII cabl eand a PDA:

www.arlab.it

Matt J

05-03-2005, 15:46

cheers for copying that, i forgot i was logged in when i copyed the link, Doh! i wouldnt worry about it being cossie and RST specific as the one i had was just a sensor on a wire which could be placed anywhere with no need for a boss as the wire was slim enough to go between the boost hose and jubilee clip and the sensor just hung in the boost pipe. mikes a top bloke and i dont think theres a bloke/bloke'ess in the ford scene who hasnt bought something from him, top service aswell, and he's a proper track day veteran so most of his products are tested on track or used by him, cant ask for more than that.

Shock_Xe

05-03-2005, 15:49

thanks bill

It looks good, tho I would want something red personally

Fl@pper

05-03-2005, 16:53

for the serious among you using laptops etc summat like this ?

http://www.autotap.com/autotap_for_windows.html

yet to test it on a vag com cable mind but watch this space :p

download and have a play - VERY versatile

Feel

05-03-2005, 17:33

I do like the look of that. Logging is one thing but it's good to have "real time" display of this stuff.

This would be another reason to have a car pc though :rolleyes: (Pabs'll be along in a bit).
Having the laptop floating around in the car is a pain.

Fl@pper

05-03-2005, 19:20

Feel

05-03-2005, 22:50

apparently it does connect live - logging is for recording for later

did think the same (in car pc) but then for the little useage decided on the laptop on a clip in frame - reminds me - J4se - u sent that seat belt clip yet ?

No, I meant that with vag-com and laptop you really need to be logging not looking the screen as it's not that easy to read and would constitute a hazard onthe queens highway (m'lud).

If you had gauges, virtual or other wise however...

m0rk

05-03-2005, 23:04

vag-com already has a display function
http://www.ross-tech.com/vag-scope/index.html

Fl@pper

05-03-2005, 23:14

No, I meant that with vag-com and laptop you really need to be logging not looking the screen as it's not that easy to read and would constitute a hazard onthe queens highway (m'lud).

If you had gauges, virtual or other wise however...

that autotap does both - mind you i'm still playing with the colours/gauges/fonts :p

Feel

07-03-2005, 20:41

This also:

http://www.skpang.co.uk/ecu_reader.htm

prc

08-03-2005, 12:26

This might be stupid, but why not just get a SPA digital gauge that can do boost & intake temp?

prc

08-03-2005, 13:29

Came across this as well:

http://shop.store.yahoo.com/hopup1/spinteme.html

Shock_Xe

09-03-2005, 20:53

Came across this as well:

http://shop.store.yahoo.com/hopup1/spinteme.html

very nice but very expensive :(

cuprabaz

16-04-2005, 19:59

What about this, my friend has one on his tuned Escort S2 and it seems to work quite well.
http://www.nomadracing.com/catalog/product_info.php?cPath=21_24&products_id=44

Shock_Xe

16-04-2005, 20:09

Funny you say that as I can now supply these at £50 all in (P&P etc), But.... They have a red display not green (actually I can choose) so it matches the dash, Its sitting on my desk at mo, Will be fitted probably tue morning, It does samples every second, and red display as i said

pic of available colours , Comes with probe and t-piece and wire. Has a surround/frame so that when hole it cut it covers up the bad workmanship lol which is ideal for me

http://i18.ebayimg.com/01/i/03/c3/14/71_1_b.JPG

cuprabaz

16-04-2005, 20:19

Nice 1 mike ;)

Shock_Xe

16-04-2005, 20:25

Fitted pics and review to come.

I was originally thinking centre console just infront of the ash tray

Although now, Im thinking bold and putting in the clocks at the bottom on the middle where the (P) sign (handbrake) normally is... Anyone know if its a seperate module to the normal cluster of flashy lights?

LCR mat

16-04-2005, 23:48

fit 2 for before and after intercooler???

Shock_Xe

16-04-2005, 23:50

fit 2 for before and after intercooler???

already thought about that and nearly done it, then thought whats really the point?? serves very little purpose when money could be best elsewhere

instead its paying for a fuel pressure gauge

Just EGT gauge now

LCR mat

16-04-2005, 23:51

already thought about that and nearly done it, then thought whats really the point?? serves very little purpose when money could be best elsewhere

instead its paying for a fuel pressure gauge

Just EGT gauge now

id doit

Shock_Xe

16-04-2005, 23:57

id doit

you got money to burn :p

Shock_Xe

17-04-2005, 00:02

cuprabaz

26-07-2005, 15:02

load of the audi guys are using these things, what do you boys think?

http://www1.jaycar.co.nz/productView.asp?ID=XC0224

Works out about £17 + P & P, which could be a killer.

ibizacupra

26-07-2005, 16:13

what max temp do these read? 60'C or 50'C is quite common... and not going to be much use for pre-IC and marginal on stock IC/chipped cars if too low.

cuprabaz

26-07-2005, 17:20

-50 - 150 deg C!!

A handy, versatile & low cost thermometer module that can be panel mounted or simply held in place with the suction cap provided. It features a minimum and maximum temperature memory and hi/lo alarm functions. Features include: 45mm long probe on a 900mm long cable, °C or °F, Alarm beep, Low battery indicator, - 50°C to +150°C range, G3 battery included.
Measures 60(W) x 34(H) x 14(D)mm

JimmyCupra

26-07-2005, 19:10

How quickly will the reading update?

cuprabaz

26-07-2005, 20:09

How quickly will the reading update?

I'm pretty sure it's once a second.

http://www1.jaycar.co.nz/productView.asp?ID=XC0224

Maybe a bulk buy if there's enough interested to get them cheaper?