View Full Version : Arosa Sport 0-60 times
M.Farrar
29-04-2002, 14:32
I have just recently become the proud owner of a Y reg Seat
Arosa Sport. Since the engine all ready has 7k miles on it I dont need to worry about running it in and so I have been putting the pedal to the metal to see what kind of acceleration I can get out of it. The book states the 0-62 time at 10 secs but after flooring it myself I get the feeling it is quite a lot faster than this, once you hit about 4000 revs it goes like a rocket! So I was just wondering has anyone timed their 0-62 and is it faster than 10 secs?
Havent timed myself but I know full well I can keep up with 1.8 and 2.0 8V golfs and also fiesta XR2's so what ever book times they are it is faster than them. I'm also running on 17's so that slow's me down a little.
Colin(GZA)
The Mann
03-05-2002, 11:50
Originally posted by GZA
Havent timed myself but I know full well I can keep up with 1.8 and 2.0 8V golfs and also fiesta XR2's so what ever book times they are it is faster than them. I'm also running on 17's so that slow's me down a little.
Colin(GZA)
Hi there, I dont mean to be rude or anything, but coming from a golf background over to seat, I thought I would add my opinions on this.
I drive an 8 valve mk1 golf and the engine is well worn and completely standard.
I have raced an arosa sport and it no way "kept up" as u say. If you mean a MK3 golf 8 valve then maybe you "kept up" more as they are more heavy and a bit sluggish. But still, I doubt it yours being just a 1.4 16 valve and running 17s. Your 0-60 surely would be slower a little if anything.
Anyway just thought id add that with all due respect : )
Hi
Thanx for you input on that.
I am still yet to race a mk1. The 1.8 raced was a mk2 and the 2.0 was a mk3.
Both pulled up after racing each of them on seperate occasions and said that they a difficulty catching me at the end of the day though it is down to the driver.
I know full well that my 17 have slowed the 0-60 time down and if you read my post you would notice that it says that my 17's have slowed it down.
anyway catch you all later as I am going shopping in time square.
Colin(GZA)
davegeorge
03-05-2002, 19:30
Guys guys, dont start talkiing about "Racing" unless you are prepared to get on a track and compare lap times with other peoples cars, most road "races" are usually decided on who is the driver more prepared to take more risks, above all it is dangerous.
The Arosa sport weighs 946kg and has 100BHP, this gives approximatly 112 BHP per tonne, couple this average figure with the fact you have to make two gear changes to get to 60 mph and the 10 sec seems about right, my Sport seems about as quick to 60 as my old Peugeot 106 which also had 100bhp but weighed slightly less.
p.s i wasnt having a rant about "racing" but its a term which is thrown around too literally i think!!
DAVE
At the end of the day racing wether it be on a track or on the road is all about taking risks.
Off out now to watch spiderman the movie in time square.
See you all later
Colin(GZA)
ModdedCars
03-05-2002, 23:26
Dave, 947kg's and 100bhp makes 107bhp ton mate :)
Thats what the Lupo Sport weighs.
Arosa Sport only weighs 907kg, giving 112bhp/ton.
And EVO Magazine clocked the Lupo Sport at 8.8 seconds to 60. The Arosa is a little lighter, so say about 8.5 to 60?
Book time for the Arosa is 10 flat. either way i know full well what i have raced and what i have beaten
Colin(GZA)
ibizacupra
04-05-2002, 18:06
Be seeing you at Castle Combe on the 18th May then?
http://www.autometrix.co.uk
Racing is'nt neccessarily about taking risks either. Racing is best kept to a race track however where "most" of the time everyones travelling in the same direction :p
Bill
You aint never seeing me on a race track as I like my car without thev stone chips.
You see i'm one of these people who actually like there car.
Besides i'm working that day earning the cash to get my turbo conversion done.
Colin(GZA)
ModdedCars
05-05-2002, 12:32
Colin, how much is you Turbo conversion going to set you back?
125bhp scares me sometimes in a car that small (I'm a bit of a girl), with 150-odd I'd shat meself, I think.
davegeorge
05-05-2002, 18:44
Matt, the weight of an Arosa Sport is 946 KG according to Seat Cupra.net....are they wrong?
And also i think the gearing must be different in the Lupo Sport because the book time in Evo for the Sport is only .5sec slower than your GTI, maybe the Sport Lupo has a longer 2nd gear that just touches 60? My mates 106 GTI was booked at just over 8 secs to 60 when launched and that figure was lowered a bit lkater on, our old 106 XSI's were booked at about 9.5 and the Arosa Sport is no quicker than my peugeot was mate, i think the book time of 9.8 is about spot on. Anyway far more revealing figure is 0-100 in my opinion.
ModdedCars
05-05-2002, 21:53
Dave, not sure, got my figure from EVO for the weight...but to get 112bhp/ton it would have to weigh 907kg's....unless 112bhp/ton is wrong.....
I'm not sure what EVO were doing when they did the tests early on, as they actually had the LupoGTi as being SLOWER to 60 than the Sport!!
And the GTi has been tested at 7.7 by a few magazines, which puts it at about 1.1 seconds quicker than the tested time of the Sport.
But like you say, times that are tested from rest aren't too realistic anyway, in-gear times are where its at.
Unforuantly cant reveal what it is going to cost me but it will still be in 4 figures
Colin(GZA)
The Mann
07-05-2002, 14:20
"And EVO Magazine clocked the Lupo Sport at 8.8 seconds to 60. The Arosa is a little lighter, so say about 8.5 to 60?"
Have i miss read this? Ive driven an arosa and know there is no way it does 60 in 8.5!!!! Youve got to be having a giraffe!?
ModdedCars
07-05-2002, 17:44
No idea .... its just the time EVO clocked in the car when they tested it. I assume they use proper equipment, they're hardly likely to do the "mate with a stopwatch" trick :)
Anyone car to get their car timed properly to sort this out???
There is no way a 1.4 16V Arosa can do 0-60 in 8.5 secs. Considering the book time for a Beeza VT is 7.9 secs.
davegeorge
07-05-2002, 21:38
I tnink matt was just thinking that the lupo sports time should the the same as the Arosa sport, things arent always that simple though, i saw a Skoda Octavia RS being booted away from some lights the other day and there is no way i would have even got close to that, they are booked at 7.9 same as the Ibiza as Colin said, 0-60 times usually come down when you only have to make 2 gear changes, unfortunatly the Arosa was blessed with a lovely set of close ratios.....however not a set optimized for 0-60 times!!!
How about one gear change like my mates golf it goes to about 65mph in 1st gear.
Colin(GZA)
ModdedCars
08-05-2002, 13:20
65mph in 1st???
You mean 2nd surely?
An Arosa 16 vavle would easily keep up with a MRK2 Golf 1.8 that peice of pish has only got 112 hp :p :D
davegeorge
08-05-2002, 19:31
65 mph in first.....i think EVO should be reviewing that one Matt!!!
If thats right its one of the longest geared cars in exsistense??!!
Dave
The Mann
09-05-2002, 08:51
Well the best thing to do is go race one and see. I thought this forum wa different but theres too many people on here it seems that start crying about there cars being slower than something when it is slightly. If u love seats then whats the problem. Dont worry about other cars as theres always something faster. Im just telling it how it is...anyway it depends on how u define "keep up". OK it may keep up and not get dusted but it will hardly be up level with it im afraid. Talking from experience...sorry. I like golfs yes so you probably think im biased, but considering im about to ditch mine for a seat says it all so im just being honest. I just think people should accept when a car is not as fast as something. See saxos (vts) are pretty quick which you just have to admit as much as we all love to hate them im sure...
Anyway, you say that the golf only has 112bhp...well since you seem to think its all about horse power then isnt that in itself contradicting yourself, as the arosa only has only 100bhp.
However as you know its a quick car. Its not all about horse power though.
My mark one golf (with mark 2 engine standard 8 valve) roasted an arosa sport.
Mates mark 2 (weighs more) wasnt quite so obvious but still pulled away.
The 16 valve golf however...i wont even go there!
Conclusion: Arosas are nice nippy cars and shouldnt be overlooked but the golf gtis are quicker imo and on paper.
My mate has a mk2 Golf 8v which had 130bhp on a rolling road. It had done 100K and no modifications other than being 'well run in', and it's certainly quite fast.
I would love to try an Arosa Sport as I can imagine they are huge fun.
Steve
The golf in question is now no-longer running as the engine has finally given up but the gear box has been transfered to his other golf which was running on the rolling road with 150BHP at the wheels. Did i mention its an A reg 1.8 8V. When the gear box was in the old golf it raced DUBSPORT's Bora V5 and pissed all over it there is also video footage of it all over the back of a 450BHP(supposidly) Astra GSI. On the corners the Golf was pissing passed the astra but on the starights the golf ran out of steam at 112 so the astra went by. I could list many other cars it has raced and won such as Cossies etc but I wont, But yes it was around 65 in first.
Colin(GZA).
Think you will find that my arosa is probably going to beat the pants of any golf to sixty as my mate only just pipped it on his R6.
It does 0-60 in just under two seconds putting power through all four wheels.
The 60-0 time is just as quick around 3 Seconds by virtue of it`s Carbon Fibre Disks.
This is only possible since the car has been on a bit of a diet and now ways just over 5 Kgs.
All this and the car only makes abouts 1/2 Bhp.
Cheers to Tom for making me the scale body for the Nitro Car Pictures to Follow once the paint goes on the Shell.
The true Arosa toy car !
davegeorge
09-05-2002, 22:13
Colin, fair point mate, our Arosa's poss have about 75 BHP at wheels so its easy to see with long gearing it may be possible what you were talking about.!
To everyone else here, i think it was summed up when the Arosa was summed up as nippy!! A Civic Type R is quick, a Lancer EVO is very quick and anything else is supercar fast.
I also own a Arosa 16V and at 8000 miles its feeling quite good now, but i would never describe it as quick, my old 206 GT was 137BHP and only weighed 60KG more and that was not that quick either!!!
Dave
ModdedCars
09-05-2002, 23:42
Jon,
where did you get the body for the Arosa Model? I've seen Golf's and Beetles, but thats about it.
I've got an EVO6 and a Focus, but they are Rally cars.
Or was it a custom build?
And 65mph in 1st? Get outta here! I'd expect only cars like the Macca F1 and the new Buggatti Veyron to acheive those kinda speeds in first. And I'd still be suprised. 65mph in 1st gives about 100 in second, 150 in Third? 200 in 4th????
1st is the longest gear on the car and it is ltd to 112 flat out it was built as a hill climb car and sprint car.
Colin(GZA)
The shell was a custom build done by a local plastics company. It is based on around my 1/8th scale. I`ll get the pictures posted over the weekend once it`s been painted.
Bit wary of the quality looks almost like an arosa, but i don`t think it will withstand a lot of impacts.
ModdedCars
10-05-2002, 18:58
Is this something they will do for anyone, or is it because you have contacts with them???
Arosa 1.4 Sport 100bhp weighs in at 946Kg = 105.7 bhp/ton
My Arosa 1.4TDi Superchipped 103bhp weighs in at 965Kg = 106.7 bhp/ton
Doesn't feel like I can out sprint an Arosa sport 0-60 though!
M.Farrar
13-05-2002, 22:41
I think 0-60 in first gear is possible....on the Thrust SSC!
Thanks for everyones feedback on the subject of 0-60 times.
simon_mint_boy
24-06-2003, 12:00
hello
my girlfriend has an arosa sport 51 plate its got 14k on it and i drive it frequently. Admittedly its nice to drive and pretty nippy but no way would it have a 1.8 or 2ltr golf mk 2 or 3. I drive a chipped leon cupra and ive owned a mk2 golf 16 which i replaced with a 2ltr 16v motor and also a mk 3 vr6. The arosa is nice but its not quick. later simon
i have an arosa TDi S chipped to 118bhp with 167 lbs ft of torque and i have had 60 in 7.9 secs find me a good uphill and i can sit on the bumper of an MG ZR 160 it has been done:devil:
bugulls,
Sounds cool. What else have you upgraded on your TDI? Any pics?
Chris
well the ECU has been remapped to my specs, turbo now comes in a lot sooner about 1000rpm and i am running 2 bar of boost i have an induction kit on it and an exhaust, boost gauge, lowered 60mm on 16" wheels a ford scorpio front splitter i think thats all for the moment pics will be coming soon as soon as i find the software for my digi camera it was rolling road tested with 1048 miles on now it has 10,000 miles on it is going back on the rollers in a few weeks may have a bit more power with the engine now run in
Sounds cool. I just wished SEAT did an Arosa Sport TDi like the Loopy boys have. Test drove one and it went well (yours must go like a turd off a polished shovel!) and the kit inside was nice, although the seats weren't as nice as the Arosa Sport's; don't quite know how that worked but there you go.
What colour is yours? BTW my parents have a MG ZR and I bet an Arosa wouldn't out handle it! :( ;)
Wow, someone to talk to with an Arosa!
yea it does shift a bit a friend has a punto GT and i can just about pip him up to 60.
i had an MG ZR at christmas but not that keen handled well but just didnt have the power. what i have now is punto GT performance cheap tax insurance and fuel economy
the colour is a special aparently acording to the local dealer its not available in this country except for special request true or not i am not sure but it wasent the dealer i got it from because they presumed it was an import
oh and yes my interior is a light grey and terrible
once i get my camera sorted i will post some pics
driveforward
21-07-2003, 20:47
Wow, someone to talk to with an Arosa!
You two can talk to me! I had an Arosa Sport (now my mom's) and my g/f has a 1.0 with the dreaded grey interior! ;)
Sooo... how'd you find your ex-Arosa Sport? Handling, engine, etc.
Apart from the silly arse Vectra women, stupid cow. I feel for you mate!
driveforward
21-07-2003, 21:11
Originally posted by Hindey
Sooo... how'd you find your ex-Arosa Sport? Handling, engine, etc.
Apart from the silly arse Vectra women, stupid cow. I feel for you mate!
I loved it mate, The handling was nice and firm, went round islands at 50mph whilst remaining horizontal, you could throw it around - a kart with a roof.
The engine loved to be revved hard, and when doing so it suprised many other drivers at how quick the 100BHP actually was in a car that weighs next to nothing. Shame I never got it on a track - it wouldn't have been the fastest, but it most certainly would have handled the best on a circuit like Haynes.
I would still own it today if it were not for needing a deisel driving to Bristol everyday :(
So you've read about my mis fortunes?! :(
How you finding yours?
driveforward
21-07-2003, 21:12
Notice for nostalgia my avatar is still the Arosa'a grille!? ;)
Frustrating at the moment mate! It's currently 300 miles away in Surrey waiting for Saturday. I can't wait, I've had my ickle 1.0 for two years. I love it to bits, but it's rather slow and handles a bit like a... a... well, something that is spongy and can carry no speed through a corner. But other than that it looks great and even two years on still gets a few looks for a 1.0l...
Anyway, back to the 16v; it's my brother's, who has funnily enough just bought a Ibiza TDi 130 Sport for the same reason as you, except swap Bristol for Basingstoke! I've been in the 16v, it seems to handle well and, although partly the "go-kart" effect, seems to go like stink. Which is fine by me. What other cars did you come up then, you must have had a few spat's with other warm hatches / rep mobiles?
I'll let you all know how I find it, I'm sure. I'm so excited, I feel like I'm 6 waiting for Christmas!!!
Yeah, I read with increasing frustration your experiences. It's so very much unfair. I read a lot on here, just post little because I haven't really got an exciting SEAT therefore don't have many tales! Hopefully that'll change with time and a few choice traffic lights.
Wow, longest SCN post for me ever.
driveforward
21-07-2003, 22:18
Welcome to the club tho - make sure you come along to a few events! - Rockingham - it's free - put your name down!
The Arosa can see off pretty much all the boy racer twat material, BMW 316's and 318's, all the usual Vectras and Mondeos, even Mercedes Sprinter Vans!
I used it on my Bristol runs for quite a while and it also makes a great motorway driver, aswell as around town - fantastic car - I only wish a load of the Cupra R boys took the time to appreciate it -yes it's no way near as fast (I got 9-60 of 9s out of it), but it's so much more fun to drive! Such a hoot :D
VTR's not pose any problems?
0-60 in 9.0s? Really? Was that on a proper timing system or the old mate with a stop-watch ("Best of three!") trick?
My brother said one of his favourtie things about it was that the engine was docile below 3-3.5k RPM but as soon as you get over those revs that it flies. Did you experience / notice / like that?
I don't think I'm going to be able to sleep on Friday night :D
ok how do i put pics on here????
You'll have to load them to webspace and then link them using the IMG button when when you write a post.
Alternativley if you e-mail them to chrishinde at btopenworld.com I'll post them for you!
Chris
simon_mint_boy
22-07-2003, 16:59
hello
how are you running 2 bar boost.
Thats nearly 30 psi surely tahts far too much for the motor thye only run very low boost as standard dont they.
later simon
i think they run about 1.4 bar as standard the TDi PD engine's run high boost as standard which is how they get the performance, eg.. like in the golf GT TDI 150 bhp, the engine is basicly the same as the 110 bhp just running a higher boost they can cope with a higher boost because of the compression that a diesel has or so i have been told
simon_mint_boy
22-07-2003, 17:08
That seems really high my leon cupra ran about 10 psi standrda and chipped it will peak at about 18psi then drop to a steady 15 which is 1 bar.
2 bar is renault 5 terrotory.
later simon
yea a friend has a supra and cannot run 2 bar i think the turbo's work different on the diesel's on tickover it sits at 0 not into the - like petrol's do a friend has a 130 bhp golf runing 1.6 bar the only problem i have is it boosts up to 2 bar for about 1000revs then dies down to 1.6 bar i think thats when the wastegate opens
danny842003
27-07-2003, 14:13
it would only do it once. until the con rod came through a newly fabricated hole in the block
not a chance does the arosa sport do 0-60 in 8.5 seconds. I do think its lower than the book but not that much. My other car '2001 Golf Gti 1.8 20V turbo' will only do 0-60 in 8.7 seconds - thats timed on a drag track!
dont get me wrong tho. the arosa sport 16v is the best bit of fun you can have without lube. but lets not deny its only a 1.4
warren_cox
06-01-2006, 12:19
my missus had a lupo 1.4 Sport 16V 100bhp with panel filter, H&R springs and nowt else and that car was damn quick. Much quicker than the 10 second time that the book said 0-60 was.
One of the mags, I think Volkswagen Driver magazine had the 0-60 at around 9 seconds. They're light as feathers and the only thing that made the ride unsatisfactory to me was the appauling body roll. Never got round to changing the ARB's as all our money went on modding my Lupo GTi :hide: .
The sport wasn't massively slower than the GTi when it was in standard trim. The new 100bhp engine was a big improvement over the 75bhp from which it was derived, the only terminal problems being weak oil pumps.
For what they are they get my vote - top motor! As for whether it would keep with a Mk1 GTi :think: , hmmm not sure. A Mk2 maybe, a Mk3 definitely, and I used to whip my mates Mk4 2.0 GTi regularly (but they were rubbish as standard).
Wow you mean there are other 1.4 Sports out there! The girl friend has one at the moment. Nice drive, pretty nippy although I get picked on by other cars when I drive it for some reason.
Suprisingly most people seem to think they are slower than they really are. ;)
warren_cox
06-01-2006, 15:19
Suprisingly most people seem to think they are slower than they really are. ;)
Most people seem to think that every car they don't personally own is slower than they really are ;) . How many posters have you read about on here recently about someone who lost a tussle - always winners!
driveforward
06-01-2006, 20:16
I'll be driving my old Arosa again in a weeks time - will bring back the memories :)
warren_cox
07-01-2006, 06:12
we've been looking around for a second car for my missus. Want a nice Mk3 Beeza Cupra but we keep being drawn back to the Lupo / Arosa. She loves the GTi Lupo because even she thinks it great fun to drive (particularly good as the 6 speed box and V V T keeps it on song through the rev range. Just crappy boot space puts her off
my lass has a y plate lupo sport , its a colour concept with factory blue/black full heated leather, nice cars....nippy enough when you get them going!
I had a Y reg Arosa Sport before I bought my Cupra, and I absolutely loved it. It was a mk1 in silver, full black leather re-trim, lowered, Smith's alloys, privacy glass, mk2 rear lights and hella round light conversion on the front.
It was so much nicer to drive than my Ibiza. Only thing it lacked over the Ibiza was the torque. Off the line it would sit side by side with my Mum's mk2 Ibiza Cupra 16v to 80ish and would just about stick with my Dad's mk3 Cupra 20vT up to around 70.
They are cracking little cars and I really regret trading it in now. Dealer told me a bloke from Newcastle came and bought it.
NumberoftheBeast
11-01-2006, 00:48
I had the Lupo Sport (100bhp). It had interior extras (Sat nav, climate control, electric sunroof) and had Eibach springs, delocked, RH deep-dish alloys etc. The engine was standard.
I must add that whilst GPS speed is a little "out," my Lupo would hit sixty in less than ten seconds. The needle would hit 60 just as you changed into third.
I agree that they are docile below 4K revs, but they are revvy little buggers and very quick when pushed. I had a blast with a Mk4 Golf GTI - not the 180 one - and battered it (they are about ten secs book too are't they?!) and raced a Mk2 Golf and it was a close call up to 60, but I do think it would have pipped me. I had plays with Saxo Vtrs and MGZR 105s and showed them the POWER!!!! I glued myself to a lardy Focus ST170 - ok I was giving it some following him and not getting closer, but he was gunning it too, looking worriedly in his rear view.
I have been in OvniAl's old Arosa (HI AL!!!) and it was bloody fast. It's always quicker being driven than driving yourself. My Girlfriend who is on here has just bought an Arosa 16V (Mk 1) and that is nippy. I have driven it a few times (aaah the nostalgia) and love it. They are very deceiving.
But, bottom line is - the Leon Cupra R is the fastest car in the world.
P.s. Who said the MGZR 160 is the same as an Arosa Sport? Doubtful... I played with one (think it was non-standard mind you) on the motorway when I had the Audi S3 225, and it was damn quick. A car llength from 80-120....
warren_cox
11-01-2006, 06:48
some old boy in one of the vw mags (a couple of years ago now), had a Garrett T2 turbo whacked onto his 100bhp 16V Sport Lupo. Think it had an ABT bodykit as well. The figures said it went like the clappers. Another in Top Gear said his company car was an M3 (new shape), but he had bought a Lupo GTi for kicking about in. Said it was far more fun than the M3 around town and ended up using it more than the M3 in the end - problem is until you've driven one its hard to believe they can be any good. The Lupo GTi just wasn't the same animal as the Polo GTi (Mk5 version), far more focussed, and the sport was only a pebble throw away from the Lupo GTi. That said you were never going to live with Civic type R's, or turbo 1.8T's from SEAT (the Golf was less of a problem), but still a rapid little animal.
Our cars were both going back under the options plan over 3 years from new so major surgery wasn't on the cards.
I went for a test drive in the Mini Cooper S when it was launched, and the salesbod was expecting me to fling the keys of the Lupo GTi at him and part-ex there and then. Considering its 167bhp against about 140bhp in mine (slightly fettled) it really didn't impress. Mind you neither did the mini's tweeter cover that fell into my lap as I slammed the door shut....
eXXXtreme arosa
12-01-2006, 23:46
hi guys any ideas on a 0-60 for an arosa with 140 bhp??? bb teknics in germany sell two kits 140 bhp turbo kit and a 160 bhp turbo kit just wondered if any one had actually turbo'd one? i love my arosa it whoops vtr's all day long, kept up with a cammed up one too hehehe needs a new clutch tho lil chav who had it b4 me must double clutched everywhere grrrr any one recommend a good clutch kit? im lookin at ebc n black dimond at the moment but a vw guy sed they were cheap and cheerful :S any opinions? cheers
statto_the_yid
16-03-2006, 11:46
The Mrs has 1.0s Arosa on a 53 plate - thats well quick at 0-60 in 18 secs - my last car was a milkfloat and it wouldnt of kept up.
Anyways I wa thinking about a 1.4 Sport for myself, but would it be a culture shock for me - oh and do they come with aircom and arse the seats better than the 1.0s ?
driveforward
16-03-2006, 20:03
The seats are much better than the 1.0, as is the interior trim colours :p
Aircon was not available on Arosas in the UK.. you could possibly get hold of a written off Lupo and get it retro-fitted...