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Anyone lowered their Toledo ?
What springs / shocks combination fits best ?
If lowered what the max size of tyre and wheel that can be used ?
Cheers
:)
Been lookin' at a kit from
http://www.vogtland.com
anyone any experience of their products ?
i've only seen one lowered here in Portugal and it was using a PSS kit.
Don't mind me asking but are you sure you want to lower the toledo??
The engine in the toledo already sits pretty low, I've smack the plastic sump guard countless times. The stock suspension has to little compression damping, so I'm looking to change the shock only.
Hadn'tconsidered that.
Must take a look below the car to see what clearance I have before I do anything - epsecially given speed ramps, etc
Thanks
EnthusiasmBoy
30-05-2002, 23:32
Would be well worth considering ground clearance. Just got the car back from sump replacement - arrived rather too quickly at road subsidance ripping sump plug out and putting a tear in the sump itself :(
Go For a similar set up to what I'm considering to keep ride quality and ride height (TDi's have real low sump guard). This is also similar to what SEAT Sport have done to the new Leon CupraR.
Keep the original springs (or, upgrade to Leon SE TDi ones which are stiffer than Cupra due to extra engine weight), add some Bilstien shocks and uprated front & rear anti-roll bars. THis should give a comfortable, well controlled ride and handling.
The main reason the Leon/Toledo feel bouncy/uneasy at speed on bumpy roads is because the dampers are to soft for the springs.
Thanks.
Bilstiens / Koni / others ?
Whats best ?
Bilstien are quite good because you can get adjustable for stiffness, and setup the suspension how you like it. Koni are good too, both high qualitly units.
any idea on ££££ for each option ?
:)
I believe about £350 - £500 depending on std or adjustable shocks. Anti-roll bars are about £250 fitted.
are you sure you want to lower the toledo??
Hell yes! Have you seen how high these things are as standard?
Mines on adjustable AVO's. Have the standard 15's on it at the moment but 17's should go on. Lowered it about 40-50mm and it now corners very well at speed :) Saying that there is a rattle from the back somewhere probably due to the firmer suspension. One thing to note is mudflaps, move them up or take them off.. mine touch the ground on roundabouts with a car full!
Shit! Sorry no, mines the 16V petrol. Didn't read the thread properly... Is the diesel engine mounted differently to the petrol?
No idea but I prefer not to leave any of it attached to traffic calming measures !!:p
Originally posted by blued
Shit! Sorry no, mines the 16V petrol. Didn't read the thread properly... Is the diesel engine mounted differently to the petrol?
Assume yours is the older shape one being a 16v??
The TDi's are very low at the front, i.e, my sump guard bottoms out on horse sh*t and dead rabbits on the country lanes. Next time you have a Leon, Golf, Bora etc TDi behind, look at the low sump in the mirror...........:(
In answer to wheels, there is a Golf TDi with 19" wheels, and lowered near me.
Originally posted by Tdi 110
Assume yours is the older shape one being a 16v??
The TDi's are very low at the front, i.e, my sump guard bottoms out on horse sh*t and dead rabbits on the country lanes. Next time you have a Leon, Golf, Bora etc TDi behind, look at the low sump in the mirror...........:(
In answer to wheels, there is a Golf TDi with 19" wheels, and lowered near me.
Have got to agree with you Neil, the front is way to low. Lucking to upgrade the shocks as soon as the stock ones go. The anti roll bars sound like a good idea too. Wondering if the Toledo/Leon use the same as the Golf/Bora? Can't find Eibach hear so I was thinking of maybe getting the Neuspeed in the USA (if they fit).
Golf, Bora, A3, Bettle should all fit. I'm going to try upgrading the shocks first, then if it's still tending to understeer I'll go for an uprated rear anti-Roll Bar.
Thanks for the info on the fitting Neil :)
I don't know where I heard this but anyway I was told that changing the shocks might actually raise the ride height a couple of mm. This would be a good thing!
Still undecided between the Koni or Bilstein. Have used the low-pressure adjustable Konis (in the beeza), but I really don't see a need for the adjustability (unless you go to the local track on weekends). After setting it up once I never ever changed the settings. Wondering if the Bilstein might be a bit more robust.
The other option I though of was the height adjustable Blisteins, in that way I could play about with it incase the std base was too low/high.
Originally posted by Tdi 110
The other option I though of was the height adjustable Blisteins, in that way I could play about with it incase the std base was too low/high.
Height adjustable? I can't see how it's done with the rear suspension. With the older setup (like I had on the beeza), there where various spring purches built into the rear shock, so you could set the lower spring purch to one of the settings. But on the set up we have how can you setup the ride height?
Hadn't thought of that.....
.....maybe its front only..????
:rolleyes:
Was wondering about the PSS kit or similar ? I know they're adjustable but, do they all lower the car alot? I'd love having one of these kits, but only if it didn't lower the car or lowered it less than 5mm. Anything more than that is to much. (unless I can get an aluminum sump guard from one of those Paris-Dakar trucks installed):D
Hi Guys,
Wish to share with you, you may wish to check out the SACHS Performance Set ( dampers / spring setup )
The dampers are from SACHS and the springs are matched (either from Eibach or H&R) and it really improves on the handling.
I've been using for almost 7 months and so far, luv every moment I throw into the corners.
:cheers:
I have already tried a Sach Kit a few years back on a '92 Fiat turbo diesel. In the 2 years I had the kit(before selling the car) blew a total of 3 shocks :frown:.
I've been told that they have improved but, I'd still prefer the bilstein or koni. Did over 220000km on koni sports.