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I had aquamist fitted Yesterday (Tuesday) at Jabbasport. The pressure switch is set at 13-14psi and its the .6 nozzle, its the middle sized one. Boost was raised to 20.5psi (not the 24psi i hoped for, probably Jabba playing safe) and drops to to 19psi on the boost guage at high revs. It seems to pull stronger through the mid-range and theres a noticiable extra rush to the redline. Also there a lot less drop off in performance if you ask the car to go again after a high boost run it performs as well as it did on the 1st run. The bottom line is that it is quicker and gives a bigger shove in the back and its repeatable run after run. I have only used water so far. I have been told that model shops sell methanol to mix in with the water. So my next task is to buy some. I wish jabba gave me more boost but i guess its for my own good that i never got it. They looked after me as they always do and James did a good job. Lots of new and intresting things coming from Jabba soon. Big power from 1.8T's and IHI vf34's for the g60 engined cars. New products and always good service from the guys at Jabba.
Thanks Jabba. :cheers:
ibizacupra
28-04-2005, 08:37
I would guess they did'nt do the 24/25psi one for you as mine was really poor on Sunday @ JBS.. 350+bhp, 350+lbft but peak at 5500rpm and weird ski slope after on the plot which was nasty. going back to previous 20psi, smooth and powerful chip ASAP.
time for me to stop messing with this engine and look forward to the new spec one :D
Yours plumbed into the washer bottle I guess Gary?
Yours plumbed into the washer bottle I guess Gary?
I guess you don't fill your washer bottle, with proper window screen cleaner solution/or washing up liquid(like I do) when fitted with this? :roflmao:
I lot of screen washer fluids are 40% methanol, so probably wouldn't be too bad. But I certainly wouldn't use it.
Washing up liquid? No! Blowing bubbles out the exhaust! :D
Sounds good Gary. So, how come you've had your final map then and no-one has called me (As they promised)?! Not that I'm that bothered.... I think I might stick with this map and use my free remap on my largeport, rods, pistons, valves etc setup.
Ben
ibizacupra
28-04-2005, 17:48
I lot of screen washer fluids are 40% methanol, so probably wouldn't be too bad. But I certainly wouldn't use it.
Washing up liquid? No! Blowing bubbles out the exhaust! :D
Sounds good Gary. So, how come you've had your final map then and no-one has called me (As they promised)?! Not that I'm that bothered.... I think I might stick with this map and use my free remap on my largeport, rods, pistons, valves etc setup.
Ben
i've been looking at garage forcourt stuff and its mostly ethanol based :(
I would guess they did'nt do the 24/25psi one for you as mine was really poor on Sunday @ JBS.. 350+bhp, 350+lbft but peak at 5500rpm and weird ski slope after on the plot which was nasty. going back to previous 20psi, smooth and powerful chip ASAP.
time for me to stop messing with this engine and look forward to the new spec one :D
Yours plumbed into the washer bottle I guess Gary?
Yep its plumbed into the washer bottle Bill. I dont think anyone will get called back as the maps from the old rollers have turned out to be pretty much spot on. Aquamist certainly works you can feel it. Also i see lower temps when running hard then when i am just moving at normal pace. Normal temps are 30 Oc. Hard driving without aquamist was seeing 55-65 Oc and sometimes worse. On the road the worst i have seen has been into the 20's with aquamist hard driving. So it seems it doing its job quite well. I will do some more logs to confirm. :cheers:
whats the cost of this fitted
ibizacupra
28-04-2005, 20:51
Yep its plumbed into the washer bottle Bill. I dont think anyone will get called back as the maps from the old rollers have turned out to be pretty much spot on. Aquamist certainly works you can feel it. Also i see lower temps when running hard then when i am just moving at normal pace. Normal temps are 30 Oc. Hard driving without aquamist was seeing 55-65 Oc and sometimes worse. On the road the worst i have seen has been into the 20's with aquamist hard driving. So it seems it doing its job quite well. I will do some more logs to confirm. :cheers:
Cool.
I'll be adding it to ickle Lupo me thinks
whats the cost of this fitted
Depending where you go £500-£600 inc vat fitted.
or £350 fitted if you're a blagger
i've been looking at garage forcourt stuff and its mostly ethanol based :(
have a nose at Renault's own make fluid
available in bulk too :rolleyes:
ibizacupra
29-04-2005, 08:51
have a nose at Renault's own make fluid
available in bulk too :rolleyes:
aha :)
you may be able to lay your hands on som eof the aforementioned wotnot fluid then m8? :D
nice to see the aquamist is working ok,trying to find a spot for a little water container in my car.
Yep so far it seems to be doing the bizz.
Where is it plumbed into?
cuprabaz
11-05-2005, 16:29
I've got mine plumbed into the pipe going into the TB just after the IC. I've got mine set up to start injecting at 10psi.
My WMI(50/50 water/methanol) didn't make any difference to RR results but the intake temps where down 15-20 degrees C when it was on!
Hey guys,I have aquamist 1s system tapped into the washer bottle,it's mapped with just water at the moment.Did anyone find a windscreen washer additive with methanol in?
Never bothered, just using water and the proper methanol from a model shop.
Is it ok to spray concentrated methanol on your windscreen then?
Do you use tap water madmile?
I am using tap water. I reckon a 75% water 25% methanol mix should be fine.
Thanks mate,have you thought about entering TOTB,i think you'd do well in the FWD section.
Nah, i would need a Lsd and a new clutch first. And i have noticed how any form of track action shags your car in quick time. It would not be fast enough to compete against the Rovers and some of the top spec fwd fords. If i had jabbas new upcoming 500bhp conversion with some nos to fill in the lag area then i think a good result could be had. I know James from Jabba who runs a mk2 golf does 11.99sec qtr mile with stage3 IHI but its lighter than an Ibiza and is setup for this kind of thing. I also think it did a 0-60 in 4.7secs and 0-100mph in 8.7 secs and a v-max of 170mph and brunters. I dont knpow how well these figures compare to the rover/ford guys from totb.
last years winner was;
1/4m Class Winner FWD – ANDY NICHOLLS AET TURBOS 12.08s 121MPH(turbo maestro)
Handling -Class Winner FWD- JIM BASFORD 42.37s (3sec slower than rwd winner)
Top Speed Class Winner FWD- ANDY ROBINSON 171.8MPH
Basically i would have thought the ihi ibizas would definetly be top 5 in the fwd catagory.
I dont think they (IHI Ibizas) would be embarresed, i would want another 50bhp before i went in for it. Uprated rods, lsd, decent clutch, slicks would be a must i reckon.
ibizacupra
19-06-2005, 16:20
slicks not allowed in totb
R888's maybe. I would be happy to enter as a team unit next year when the cars at a better spec level.
last years winner was;
1/4m Class Winner FWD – ANDY NICHOLLS AET TURBOS 12.08s 121MPH(turbo maestro)
Handling -Class Winner FWD- JIM BASFORD 42.37s (3sec slower than rwd winner)
Top Speed Class Winner FWD- ANDY ROBINSON 171.8MPH
Basically i would have thought the ihi ibizas would definetly be top 5 in the fwd catagory.
James from Jabbasport would be up towards the top i reckon.
ibizacupra
19-06-2005, 20:43
I think James beat Andy Nicholls maestro at the Redline Santa Pod thing last month..
Ran road legal tyres. (yep, R888's). 11.8 qtr mile, >130mph terminal!
We would all be a distant spec in his mirrors..
Respect than man!
I think James runs an after market ecu plus it weighs a fair bit lees. The ibiza would prob need another 75-100bhp to compete against the golf.
hey im getting aquamist too,but dont know what one to go for,the S1 is the standard,but can that get used on a mapped car? so whats the S2 one for then? was that one not only for mapped cars? :confused:
@ chan18t try the aquamist site. cant get any clearer.
http://www.aquamist.co.uk/cp/cp.html
ibizacupra
14-07-2005, 09:23
I run system 1S on mine... fine. low tech & cheapest but works great.
ive the aquamist is system too but havent fired it up yet.
cheers guys. . im abit septical about it,ive been told i dont really need it. . . so its worth the money then? :thumbup:
I'm running the 1s and it works really well,would reccommend.
James is running 1.5bar on a standard 1.8t and he was playing around with nos last time i was at jabba!!He is using a p18 housing.
I'm running the 1s and it works really well,would reccommend.
James is running 1.5bar on a standard 1.8t and he was playing around with nos last time i was at jabba!!He is using a p18 housing.
whats a p18 housing? 1.5bar! whats the bhp?
I ran my car yesterday at 1.53bar spike and 1.4bar at the redline, its normally 1.4bar spike and 1.25bar at the redline. It certainly shifted in the mid-range and felt very good. For safetys sake i have gone back to my original setting especially with it being so warm at the moment.
It made the 343bhp 303lbs ft at 1.32bar spike and 1.25bar at the redline so i dont know what its making now.
Heard you had been playing with a boost controller
Yep its very sensative so only little inputs are required. Looking at a 1.9L with uprated internal and a pe1820f turbo.
ibizacupra
17-07-2005, 10:34
I ran my car yesterday at 1.53bar spike and 1.4bar at the redline, its normally 1.4bar spike and 1.25bar at the redline. It certainly shifted in the mid-range and felt very good. For safetys sake i have gone back to my original setting especially with it being so warm at the moment.
It made the 343bhp 303lbs ft at 1.32bar spike and 1.25bar at the redline so i dont know what its making now.
I have been running 23psi max sustained to red line boost (1.58bar) for some time now.. with Aquamist running.. Super consistent. :)
Previously, boost would creep during the track sessions as it got hot and bothered, but not since running Aquamist 60/40 mix water/meth.
Including some 30'C days on track. Works a treat. Highly reccomend it.
:thumbup:
john banks
17-07-2005, 11:18
Bill, what power is that making?
ibizacupra
17-07-2005, 11:22
Bill, what power is that making?
Depends on which rollers you believe..
last run on this spec was @ JBS
358bhp 343lbft
I think mine is 1.5bar spike to 1.4bar redline.
I know it is 1.6bar max as mike had to trim it back in some gears.
Also Running aquamist 1s but straight water,similar results to bill,360bhp 342lb/t.
john banks
17-07-2005, 11:42
Bill, there is a 15 BHP difference between yours and Madmile's for a 5 PSI difference but a 40 lbft difference for a near 4 PSI difference. Trouble is if the rollers are 10% apart for example, it makes comparisons like that very difficult to see how the turbo is performing at the top since the potential dyno error is bigger than the difference. Very frustrating when information is being shared and we are turbo picking :(
Are you getting a nice increment in power on the same rollers for going from 18 to 23 PSI? I try to draw the power plots out at a flat boost profile and then watch as they converge at the top as I max out the turbo and set the top end slope, are you doing this as well? Without measuring I found it easy to get hoodwinked by the gain in midrange torque whereas I was well over the top on top end boost and not making the gains for it.
ibizacupra
17-07-2005, 16:05
Bill, there is a 15 BHP difference between yours and Madmile's for a 5 PSI difference but a 40 lbft difference for a near 4 PSI difference. Trouble is if the rollers are 10% apart for example, it makes comparisons like that very difficult to see how the turbo is performing at the top since the potential dyno error is bigger than the difference. Very frustrating when information is being shared and we are turbo picking :(
Are you getting a nice increment in power on the same rollers for going from 18 to 23 PSI? I try to draw the power plots out at a flat boost profile and then watch as they converge at the top as I max out the turbo and set the top end slope, are you doing this as well? Without measuring I found it easy to get hoodwinked by the gain in midrange torque whereas I was well over the top on top end boost and not making the gains for it.
Different dyno's... we know that score tho.
more boost did not equal more power, but did pump up torque as you would expect.
I have done lower power runs, but not lately and not from the current spec. Its all adjustable with my boost controller tho.
New engine is pending, so I am not chasing anything else from this motor, and just hoping it continues to hold together. Judging by the blow by on the oil catch tank system its well past its sell by date, so I would'nt judge what mine can do, as there are healthier better power producing engines than mine is. 37K and a lot of track use has taken its toll I think. :doh:
New engine is pending. . . . .
sorry i must of missed this bit,but what u gretting? :confused:
ibizacupra
18-07-2005, 15:41
a new engine. higher spec & 1900cc
a new engine. higher spec & 1900cc
from what car? or you boaring it?
Happened a week ago. The boost sensor/switch of my system 1s went down on me and the pump started working continously. Spark plugs died and left on the street 2 o clock at night. Next day i got the plugs out and cranked the engined i was suprized on how much water was inside the cylinders. Installed a led to let me know when the system is running along with a new boost sensor/switch. I was lucky i didnt bend the rods
any chance of a few pics of the jabba aquamist install, im finding mines weeping into the cylinders when the cars running off boost ( vacuum). ive a feeling my pumps too high when comparing to other systems ive seen.
ibizacupra
11-08-2005, 10:59
from what car? or you boaring it?
reboring it. (well another AYP ibiza engine I had lying around)
83mm bores
ibizacupra
11-08-2005, 11:00
Happened a week ago. The boost sensor/switch of my system 1s went down on me and the pump started working continously. Spark plugs died and left on the street 2 o clock at night. Next day i got the plugs out and cranked the engined i was suprized on how much water was inside the cylinders. Installed a led to let me know when the system is running along with a new boost sensor/switch. I was lucky i didnt bend the rods
I knew an override switch on mine was a good idea. Only use it on track.
reboring it. (well another AYP ibiza engine I had lying around)
83mm bores have you had a look at the 2litre or the 2.1 litre conversion?
bill, are pistons for a 1900 16v turbo application identical? do they need cut outs for the valves? i know the rods are similar.might be a dumb question
ibizacupra
11-08-2005, 14:10
have you had a look at the 2litre or the 2.1 litre conversion?
looked but not considered it.
ibizacupra
11-08-2005, 14:11
bill, are pistons for a 1900 16v turbo application identical? do they need cut outs for the valves? i know the rods are similar.might be a dumb question
Nope. different pistons, different crowns and machining for valve pockets
thanks bill, saw a set for sale elsewhere.