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On a previous thread RobDon recommended Turtle Wax Gloss Guard, Top Coat Sealer.
Most people on here top up with wax every couple of weeks or so and do a full 3 step clean every 3-4 months but if you use Gloss Guard can you top up the wax over this (I am assuming you cannot) or do you have to wash the gloss guard off wax & reapply ?
:cheers:
Donnyboy
13-05-2005, 08:33
I have used the Gloss Guard and have washed the car twice since I applied it. The water beads like nothing I've seen before so washing it off would be very hard to do.
Having only used it once I have not tried wax on top of it. I don't see there being a probem but I think it depents on what wax you are using.
Products like Swissol and Zymol require you to use a 'cleaner' before waxing to ensure the paint is clean and free from other products as the wax wil not 'bond' to the paint.
I use Megs Gold Class then the Gloss Guard and it looks fantastic. [B)]
I'm sure other people will have different views??? :confused:
I believe the correct way to use it would be to clean the paint with a paint cleaner first (like Megs stage 1), then use a pure polish, then seal it with the Gloss Guard, THEN apply your wax. This should easily last a month before any further waxing is required.
I don't use Gloss Guard all the time, maybe twice a year I'll strip it all off and clay and clean the paint, then build it up again.
WatchHill
14-05-2005, 20:11
Products like Swissol and Zymol require you to use a 'cleaner' before waxing to ensure the paint is clean and free from other products as the wax wil not 'bond' to the paint.
Marketing guff, but it is sensible to make sure the surface is free from defects and crud before applying your wax.
My Swissol Concorso sits very nicely on the layer of Klasse AIO underneath thank you very much.
dalepearson
14-05-2005, 21:29
Think somones got there period.
Products like Swissol and Zymol require you to use a 'cleaner' before waxing to ensure the paint is clean and free from other products as the wax wil not 'bond' to the paint.
Yeah, as WatchHill says, it's a load of rubbish.
They say you have to use their special cleaner to get all the other crap off. In the Meguiars catalogue a few years ago, an FAQ question was "is it OK to use Fairy Liquid to wash my car with?" Their answer was "no, this contains detergents that will strip all wax and polish content from your car's bodywork".
You do get better results if your paint is clean and smooth though, that much is true. Washing up liquid is also bad for your paint, a proven fact.
I suggest asking advice from Tony as he is the expert.
i brought some off this gloss guard cos everyone loves it. but how do you use it, it took me ages to polish it off.
Just smooth it on and buff it off, never had much problem getting it buffed off, don't leave it too long though or have it baking in the sun!
Tony spears
24-05-2005, 13:44
I dont know why people are using a sealant b4 putting swissol wax on top.
When you do a full swissol treatment it will last for a year b4 full treatment is required again.All i suggest to do is apply a coat of wax every three months or so and give it a clay bar if it needs it for this wont affect the treatment in any way.
wild willy
24-05-2005, 19:09
I dont know why people are using a sealant b4 putting swissol wax on top.
When you do a full swissol treatment it will last for a year b4 full treatment is required again.All i suggest to do is apply a coat of wax every three months or so and give it a clay bar if it needs it for this wont affect the treatment in any way.
I guess we are all after the Holy grail of shines. I did my sisters blue TT on the week end giving it the full Swissol treatment. It looks good but i'm hungering for even more depth of shine. Would putting a sealer on top of the wax aid or inhibit the depth of shine.
:cheers:
IMO the sealer deepens the shine and offers enhanced rain protection. This picture of mine is after hand application of Swissol Shield wax then Gloss Guard on top, the panels with GG definately looked deeper, a month later the rain still rolls off the paint, awesome stuff:
http://www.20v-turbo.co.uk/images/mods2/2305_02.jpg
wild willy
24-05-2005, 19:16
Cheers Rob,
I'm applying the same logic as to glossing paint work. If you give wood two gloss coats ( finishing between coats) you get a superiour finish compared to one coat only all other things being equal.
I think i'll have to try this for myself.
Tony spears
24-05-2005, 19:26
if you want a better depth of shine you apply more than one coat of wax or buy a better swissol wax like the wet look shine.
By applying a paint sealer over the top it will be petrochemical based and will take off the wax anyway so i carnt see why people are doing this.
WatchHill
25-05-2005, 09:29
I dont know why people are using a sealant b4 putting swissol wax on top.
Quite simple really Tony mate.
Swissol wax looks great, but if you have a sealant followed by the wax the increase in depth and reflection is very noticable.
I'm using Concorso, two or three layers of that don't come close to the effect of Klasse AIO plus a layer of the wax.
wild willy
25-05-2005, 20:31
What is this.
WatchHill
26-05-2005, 09:51
Sorry mate, slipping into Autopia (http://www.autopia.org/) speak for a minute there!
Klasse all-in-one is a sealant and cleaner, though it doesn't have a great deal of 'cut'
Description/review here (http://reviews.autopia.org/censura.php?cmd=details&itemid=33)
It's similar in some ways to Autoglym Super Resin Polish
I'm a little confused by this talk of sealants and glazes, isn't sealing and glazing exactly what a wax should do?
I've just recently got my head round claying, followed by paint cleaner and carnauba wax. I can relate to the idea that naturally derived oils and waxes are less likely to react badly with paint finishes, or indeed each other.
So I'm a little reluctant to smear some acrylic product over my paint, especially one that is also used for "cleaning tiles and windows" :confused:
Plus I'm inherently lazy, and although I say next time I will, I usually can't be arsed to do a second coat of wax so the thought of another 2 stages puts me off. I usually clean my car in the afternoon, and by the time I'm doing the wax it's teatime and I'm knackered and hungry :drool:
WatchHill
26-05-2005, 10:32
I know what you mean mate!
I probably wouldn't bother with the sealant if I wasn't putting it on by machine, it just gives an amazing shine and gloss if you use it.
I reckon the thing about naturally derived product is mostly marketing guff, but it does make using the product a much more pleasurable experience.
still having problems with buffing it off. do you have to wait for it to dry for a longer period of time than usual.
Donnyboy
30-05-2005, 14:24
I did a panel at a time and allowed it to dry for about 1-2 mins before removing.
I came off easily though. Are you maybe putting too much on? You only have to put a haze over the paint.
What did you use before the Gloss Guard?
turtle wax extreme, seems realy good. may be putting on to much. after a few mins it still seems greasy in places.
Donnyboy
30-05-2005, 14:58
I put it on after Megs Gold class, and in sunlight. It came off really easily though.
I used a Megs applicator sponge to put it on and a terry cloth to take it off.
Maybe its the Extreme stuff that's not taking it well? Never used it so don't know what its like.
cant see why it shouldnt take to the wax,
to be honest its the best wax iv used. (in its class)
Donnyboy
30-05-2005, 15:39
Try waxing 1 panel again. Buff it off then apply a coat of the gloss guard, then buff it off?
I've had waxes before that don't come off nice untill you apply a couple of coats.
ill go an have another crack
cheers for the advice mate :cheers:
Get a really good microfibre cloth for taking it off, the new Meguiars yellow ones are very good, I've never had any problems buffing off Gloss Guard.
Sorry to resurrect an old thread, but ive got my hands on the following:
Pinnacle Paintwork Cleansing Lotion
P21S Carnauba Wax
But ive also got some Turtle Wax Gloss Guard as well.
My question is, and there seems to be a difference of opinion,
Do i apply the turtle gloss guard after the cleansing lotion or after the wax. ?
Wax is always the last step, so it would be paint cleaner, sealant then wax.
Wax is always the last step, so it would be paint cleaner, sealant then wax.
cheers m8
mark@carsparkle
09-08-2005, 22:34
Hi,
as Rob says - start with the Paintwork Cleanser and then seal the paint using an acrylic sealer such as Turtle Gloss Guard or Klasse-All-In-One. This process should only be done 3-4 times per year depending on your environmental conditions. After that you can build up your layers of wax and cleaning in between using a half decent mild car shampoo that wont hugely impact the top layer of wax. :)
The most popular combo in the US is to clay bar (personally I would strongly recommend that you try it on someone else's car ;) as it can be a disaster if you do not know what you are doing and make a mistake), Klasse AIO (this a combined cleaner and acrylic based sealer) and P21S Wax. Going back to the 'clay bar' - only use if you have solidified mineral deposits or other contaminents (such as bird droppings) that will not be easily removed using a paint cleanser. On an additional note, many people attempt to rub too hard with a paintwork cleanser on these unremovable deposits and end up swirling/finely scratch the area immediately around the contaminent.
HTH
Mark