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sorry if this has been posted before, but I just read in auto express that the new leon cupra is coming out next summer with 240 hp using the same 1.8t engine we have now.
As per TT Quattro Sport? Interesting, if surprising.
Yes I read the same yesterday, it's a small snippet in the news column... I though the new Leon would have the FSI Turbo engine? You never know they could be wrong...
I think that auto express seem to have something going on with seat, they always seem to show spy shots etc of other cars, but never seat, so maybe it could be true???
mister.c.
23-06-2005, 22:08
Well the engine is already tuned up to 240bhp for the latest Audi TT sports coupe (1.8-litre turbo charged four-cylinder engine with power increased to 240PS at 5,700rpm and torque up from 290Nm to 320Nm between 2,300 and 5,000rpm) and it would be a way to differentiate between the golf gti engine (and any future more powerful golf incarnations) so i suppose stranger things have happened.
well the non cupra one in auto express this week has a 189bhp fsi turbo engine
so surely cupra one will have fsi
mister.c.
23-06-2005, 22:17
I do read the posts but seemed to miss yours MarkE!
I do read the posts but seemed to miss yours MarkE!
:bleh:
:thumbup:
sorry if this has been posted before, but I just read in auto express that the new leon cupra is coming out next summer with 240 hp using the same 1.8t engine we have now.
2.0FSI engine i believe.
Read up on the new leon here http://www.seatcupra.net/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=136
I guess no one reads the pages then i toil over :p
http://www.seatcupra.net/NEWLeon-june2005update.htm
Perhaps they have just been using the TT sport as a test bed for the new leon cupra, just to make sure its reliable when it goes into the new leon! :idea: :idea:
I guess no one reads the pages then i toil over :p
http://www.seatcupra.net/NEWLeon-june2005update.htm
Missed that one - thanks for the **Bump**
Class report as per usual Z...
Hmmm I have to say I like the look of the Black one's ... This is getting tempting to say the least....
What worries me is pricing - if the mags are right the cupra could be over 20k or darn near to it..
They won't price it the same or above the Golf GTi, unless it comes with a lot of standard toys.
Price up the Golf GTi you'd really want, wiith all the extras and your looking the broadside of £25k.
If the Cupra comes in at £20k and has the same level of equipment as a specced up Golf Gti, then its worth £20k, especailly if its running 240bhp too.
They won't price it the same or above the Golf GTi, unless it comes with a lot of standard toys.
Price up the Golf GTi you'd really want, wiith all the extras and your looking the broadside of £25k.
If the Cupra comes in at £20k and has the same level of equipment as a specced up Golf Gti, then its worth £20k, especailly if its running 240bhp too.
I'm not so certain - over the past few years we've seen SEAT jack up the prices slowly but surely (anyone remember when the LCR was keenly priced?) and the new leon (183bhp) in Autocar had an estimated price of 17,500! That means the FR at maybe 19k plus so where does that leave the Cupra model pricing?
Coupled with styling thats widely seen as less-than-exciting and far-too-like-every-bloody-other-seat-atm SEAT are going to have a tough time convincing me to stay with the brand. It's not that I hate the styling, it just lacks imagination - perhaps the 'spanish flair' that excited us all to begin with. Will a bigger body kit and wheels make enough of a difference for the Cupra?
If 40% of leons sold here in the UK are high-margin performance models (source: autocar) then the FR and the Cupra will be SEATs most important UK cars - getting it wrong will cost them dearly. I've no idea what i'm going to buy to replace my car but i'm more interested in the Focus ST atm (and that's a bloody ford!) than the new Leon. :hide:
Aye
Seat have jacked up their prices but its just in-line with other manufacturer's prices. Look what Ford are charging for the new Focus! Seen the 2.0 TDCi Focus saloon in the ford dealers with a few extra toys for £18.5k. Oh dear.....
Anyway, if its a good car, people will pay the price.
dalepearson
24-06-2005, 13:00
Still not to sure on the look of this car, once the Cupra is released then we will know for sure.
Don't forget right up until quite late in proceedings the press were under the impression that the Leon R was going to be around the £20k mark.
Scott
Don't forget right up until quite late in proceedings the press were under the impression that the Leon R was going to be around the £20k mark.
Scott
I hope you're right Scott, honestly I do - but I'm almost willing to put money on the next Cupra costing 19k-20k - a lower price would be more likely if they hadn't hiked the LCR mid-life. Aside from price tho, are LCR and Cupra owners going to like the looks of the new car? And more importantly, will our wives? :rolleyes:
Aye
Seat have jacked up their prices but its just in-line with other manufacturer's prices. Look what Ford are charging for the new Focus! Seen the 2.0 TDCi Focus saloon in the ford dealers with a few extra toys for £18.5k. Oh dear......
Vauxhall astra VXR 240PS is only £19K
If the £17.5K is correct for this 2.0 TFSI 185PS version
fitting the FR 2.0 TFSI 200PS and the CUPRA 1.8T 240PS version into the market at similar prices to ford and vauxhall i cannot see.
SEAT looks like they are trying to price there cupras out of the market place to me just like they have with the ibiza cupra.
Very good friends with a member of Seat UK and was talking about the new Leon to him. Its going to be 6inches lower than the current one, and the Cupra R, or whatever they decide to call it is possibly going to have a choice of either the 2.0T engine, or the 3.2 DSG.
hibitdat
26-06-2005, 18:19
For what it's worth (very little, some would argue!) my thoughts on a couple of points here.
Firstly Auto Express have never been famed for their accuracy. Don't get me wrong it can be a good mag (far better, in my opinion, than the let's treat a car like a dishwasher What Car?) but there is really no way the new Leon will use the old 1.8 20v lump. This engine is on its way out and will struggle to meet new emissions limits, let alone remain competative with the every more powerful rivals (btw the forthcoming Focus with the 5-pot Volvo lump looks nice!)
Moreover, SEAT is no longer (and certainly no longer wishes to be classed as) a budget brand. The days of el-cheapo SEATs are long since gone and as my local dealer pointed out now they are under the Audi brand group they have raised the game and are aiming for the upmarket sporty market (hence no Arosa replacement, the Cordoba will probably not get replaced and doubts hang over the future of the Alhambra). I'm not saying this is the correct thing to do or not, but the days of getting a Toledo, say, with the latest TDI up front for many many thousands less than a Passat or A4 with the same engine are behind us.
well lets hope the build quality is not el-cheapo to match the not el-cheapo prices.
20k seats will have to be good for my money. not the shite interiors they are using now.
well lets hope the build quality is not el-cheapo to match the not el-cheapo prices.
20k seats will have to be good for my money. not the shite interiors they are using now.
Shite interiors? I wouldnt go that far - they're still worlds apart from the french efforts.
And £19k for an Astra VXR? Has that been confirmed yet?
I think he meant on the newer cars - the ibiza and altea in particular haven't impressed me!
mister.c.
27-06-2005, 22:18
And £19k for an Astra VXR? Has that been confirmed yet?
Yes. That is the list price.
http://vauxhall.co.uk/showroom/search/summary.jhtml?brand=New%20Astra&trimLevel=VXR&bodyStyle=Sport%20Hatch&vehicleType=Car&_requestid=757037
steep but cant u get like 20-30% off when u buy a vauxhall. ?
The new Octavia vRS is out the end of the year.
2.0 FSi Turbo (200bhp)
2.0 PD (170 bhp)
This will be considered the 'budget' of the VAG sports range, but prices are expected to be 17-18k I think looking at models relased thus far.
basstard
28-06-2005, 18:50
2.0 turbo with ~180 hp??! didn't turbo engine mean high specific power?
Who the f+++ they think they're foolin?
I thought just the pug had the courage to sell such a bag of shite of an engine [206 WRC].
And I got upset when seeing the 200hp version,,,
1.8T with 241hp,,, that's the stuff!!
Diamond Dave
28-06-2005, 20:16
I don't see how SEAT are going to be able to price above the VXR, this is a hell of a lot of car for the money. I had a little play with one at Goodwood and it is superb! The Leon Cupra is going to have to be very special to stop me for going for the VXR. It's option list is very impressive as well, however the £500 for the 19" inch wheels is great, but the standard rims look well smart as well.
Interesting indeed ... we need to wait for more info.
For what it's worth (very little, some would argue!) my thoughts on a couple of points here.
Firstly Auto Express have never been famed for their accuracy.
Not known as Auto Exrement in the industry for nothing :roflmao:
I don't see how SEAT are going to be able to price above the VXR, this is a hell of a lot of car for the money. I had a little play with one at Goodwood and it is superb! The Leon Cupra is going to have to be very special to stop me for going for the VXR. It's option list is very impressive as well, however the £500 for the 19" inch wheels is great, but the standard rims look well smart as well.
Interesting indeed ... we need to wait for more info.
I couldn't agree more - imagine PX against a new cupra and finding you've got 10-12k to find..
If SEAT really want to be sporty then make the Cupra 4wd and a blown v6 - THEN i'll pay post-20k for one. Sadly, despite all the talk about them now being grouped with Audi and the 'sporty' arm of VAG we've yet to see anything to back it up - and all the while VW are building the R34 and audi the TT... SEAT need an iconic high-margin low-volume performance car if they want to make this transition a reality.
It all smacks of deja vu doesn't it? Remember 4wd and V6 engines have been in the current Leon, just not in this country..
Aye
I think we shouldnt count our chickens just yet.
In fact, if Seat are going to release a 185 bhp FSI Turbo Leon in "lowly" sport-up guise, it hints very strongly at their sporting pretentions. It suggests to me that we'll see a 200 bhp FR and a 200++bhp Cupra.
And if the next Leon FR is just £1 less than the current Golf GTi (supposing it has the same engine/output) it'll be excellent value - it'll be essentially the same car with more equipment. Who cares about the badge? To me, the VW badge on any thing other than a mk1 or mk2 Golf GTi means nothing.
I don't see how SEAT are going to be able to price above the VXR, this is a hell of a lot of car for the money. I had a little play with one at Goodwood and it is superb! The Leon Cupra is going to have to be very special to stop me for going for the VXR. It's option list is very impressive as well, however the £500 for the 19" inch wheels is great, but the standard rims look well smart as well.
Interesting indeed ... we need to wait for more info.
I agree the VXR looks very tempting
As does the focus ST with the 5cyl worble noise to its engine aka like an old audi thats also talked about as been 19K
I think both these cars actually look like cars rather than MPVs so win it in my view on the looks.
I always thought the mk5 golf GTI was over priced and would not be suprised after the initial craze for it dies down VW will reduce the price a little or reduce its kit list/price to match its rivals.
I wait to see the cupra in the flesh but if the interior is altea type it looks cheap to me and a step down from the present cupra/fr/R.
I also prefer to see were im driving something the present altea/toledo i hate about as it has huge blind spots to the rear C pillars and the MPV type front quarterlight/A-pillar makes a huge blind spot upfront. :(
Its a shame as i quite liked the salsa for some strainge reason.