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ibizacupra
05-07-2005, 08:30
Here's one to chew on.... Bolt on GT28 onto stock manifold from ATP for 1.8T. In-line motors and coming soon transverse motors.
http://www.atpturbo.com/root/releases/release041205.htm
below stuff ripped from their site...
GT2X – Stock appearance, not stock power.
The newly developed “GT2X” bolt-on turbo unit makes for an exceptional replacement for both the K03 and K04 turbo customer who likes their turbo in the stock location utilizing the stock exhaust manifold. This turbo is also for the customer that does not want to miss out on the low end “grunt” or torque of the stock turbo. However with the GT2X, expect to be pleasantly surprised by the flatness of the torque band and linear power delivery all the way to redline. Unlike the K03/K04 series, the GT2X has been designed to allow for a full power band on the 1.8T engine without choking up after 5000 rpm due to excessive backpressure at the turbine (a common problem even for customers that have upgraded from a K03 to K04).
What makes up the GT2X is a combination of a highly efficient small frame Garrett turbo cartridge (consisting of a highly optimized wheel combination that is fully assembled and high speed balanced from the Garrett factory) and an ATP cast exhaust housing that has been designed to further optimize the turbo for the 20V 1.8T allowing it to reach its highest efficiency range during normal operation. The result is nothing short of spectacular – an awesome breathing turbo and engine combination that likes to rev! In terms of performance, the GT2X (even though a non-ball bearing turbo) has the ability to start building boost right off idle speeds with more than 200 ft/lb of torque available from 2500 rpm all the way to redline, giving it the feeling of a powerful V8. This turbo, with its modern GT wheel aerodynamics, has the unique ability to make boost “now” and not make any qualms about holding the boost to redline.
Have no fear about this turbo going KKKaboom. The GT2X turbo shaft is at least 25% larger than any K03/K04 turbo and since this turbo can provide peak HP without going outside of its peak efficiency range, it will not be forced to run at the reliability limits. This turbo happily makes a reliable 275 crank HP on pump gas and close to 300 crank HP on high octane.
Wow, that does sound pretty darn good... and perhaps exactly what i'm looking for..
YerMother
05-07-2005, 14:33
Yea these were discused a while back here:
http://www.seatcupra.net/forums/showthread.php?t=55534
Will be interesting :thumbup:
Transverse delay for 6 weeks :(
Transverse delay for 6 weeks :(
Well some of us have been waiting YEARs for certain solutions... six weeks - pah!
:roflmao:
That will sell well if it proves to make 270-300bhp on a similar setup to what the k03s guys use ie bigger downpipes, race cats etc. Bigger injectors and 4 bar fpr. Its the turbo the Ibiza guys have been waiting for sensible but respectable power gains and cheaper than big turbo conversions. If its an easy upgrade and does what it says on the tin then the Ibiza boys have a viable turbo upgrade.
Yea these were discused a while back here:
http://www.seatcupra.net/forums/showthread.php?t=55534
Will be interesting :thumbup:
Transverse delay for 6 weeks :(
So you getting on Sie?
You know you want too :D
ibizacupra
05-07-2005, 19:09
Well some of us have been waiting YEARs for certain solutions... six weeks - pah!
:roflmao:
There is a solution tho now tho is'nt there...
IHI on Jabbasport manifold.
or have you gone off the idea now?
That will sell well if it proves to make 270-300bhp on a similar setup to what the k03s guys use ie bigger downpipes, race cats etc. Bigger injectors and 4 bar fpr. Its the turbo the Ibiza guys have been waiting for sensible but respectable power gains and cheaper than big turbo conversions. If its an easy upgrade and does what it says on the tin then the Ibiza boys have a viable turbo upgrade.
couldnt put it better my self. very interesting...
Daz_gibbo
05-07-2005, 19:44
I'll second that!
What do you all think about their comment that the stock manifold flows surprisingly well?
On one hand "they would say that", on the other they might be right?
Cheap 2.7T conversion....
I was told the stock manifold was good for 280-300bhp anyway by a well known tuner. My stock manifold has no cracks or damage from e05/ko3s use. One thing i will say is that you can never have enough bhp/torque but its whether you can live with the lag that a bigger turbo will produce. If this turbo makes 270-275bhp and the lags no issue then its going to be a winner. I know i need more bhp right now but the next step is quite costly and how reliable will it be. Question is where do i go from here rods,pistons, valves, gas flow the head and swap the turbo and aim for 400-440bhp or buy a different car?. Power is addictive.
well thats a whole new can of worms. personally id buy a new car but it depends what your looking for in a car really.
YerMother
05-07-2005, 21:26
So you getting on Sie?
You know you want too :D
No mate wish i could but no $$$$ cha ching! :(
If they are claiming 300 at the fly with standard exhaust and manifold surely that can be increased to 310 - 320 DP CAT?? No??
As the yanks say madmile,there's no replacement for displacement.
Above 400bhp go for at least a 2.6l v6.
380bhp is tops for me on a 1.8t
maybe 400bhp on a 1.9/2.0t
Go for a skyline with 500-600bhp...silly fast.
Or I can let you know where there's an S6 going for a good price!
340bhp as standard... stick a big turbo or 2 on that! :D
Would have got it myself, then started to think about tyre costs (255/40/17 or 255/35/18) and fuel costs (about 10mpg realistically!) and then had second thoughts :(
cpufreak
06-07-2005, 00:43
What do you all think about their comment that the stock manifold flows surprisingly well?
On one hand "they would say that", on the other they might be right?
Cheap 2.7T conversion....
you knew I'd read this didn't you?
on the day the income tax rebate hit my account and all. :)
It wasn't specifically pointed at you, just a general comment - but now you mention it, AND own up to having the money - have you booked it in yet? :whistle:
There is a solution tho now tho is'nt there...
IHI on Jabbasport manifold.
or have you gone off the idea now?
TBH I'm not sure Bill - i've not heard from jabba for a long, long time (i kept sending them an email every 3 months or so to check on progress and then forgot for a bit.. and they've not been back to me since..) - the cars piling up the miles now/getting older and so am I :bleh: As you like to say, whatever you've got you want just that 'bit more' and thats where i am now - the car is quick, a lot quicker than most but... arggh.
I'm currently trying to decide whether to call jabba or others (now we seem to have choice) and go for it - or get a runabout car for work and something exotic for a weekender (for some reason i've an obsession with the Noble M12). Sure the latter is more expensive, but it's a proper fast car from the get-go whereas the leon will always be a fast family car no matter what i do to it. Third option is (and you'll like this) get an Ibiza as a project car (not the new one, I hate that - the proper one :) ) and BT upgrade that. Lot less weight, less cost (at least cost of buying one) could be fun and I believe you've some experience in the area ;)
BT stuff seems to be interesting at last - nothing for 2 years and now we're hearing about all sorts of interesting options from a number of tuners. Good stuff.
Long and short of it is that I really don't know what to do but it's all on hold for a few weeks until the wife starts a new job and we've got the dual income again.
:cheers:
As the yanks say madmile,there's no replacement for displacement.
...and all the while their cars get the poorest output per litre in the world as far as i can see! Honestly, some of their 'supercars' are just rubbish in terms of engineering - bloody agricultural almost :thumbd:
I get what you're saying tho - but when they're using several litres to get just 300bhp (or less) or so it's not very impressive..
YerMother
06-07-2005, 10:16
The torque will be phenominal though it could pull an ocean liner! ;)
Your right though big american cars are agricultural! Give the Japs or Europeans a 7 litre engine and you would be getting Apollo 5 power levels... well you get the idea LOL!
cupra-neil
06-07-2005, 12:47
The GT2X kit works out at todays exchange rate £766, would this turbo fit onto the standard ibiza exhaust manifold?
Neil
ibizacupra
06-07-2005, 15:56
TBH I'm not sure Bill - i've not heard from jabba for a long, long time (i kept sending them an email every 3 months or so to check on progress and then forgot for a bit.. and they've not been back to me since..) - the cars piling up the miles now/getting older and so am I :bleh: As you like to say, whatever you've got you want just that 'bit more' and thats where i am now - the car is quick, a lot quicker than most but... arggh.
I'm currently trying to decide whether to call jabba or others (now we seem to have choice) and go for it - or get a runabout car for work and something exotic for a weekender (for some reason i've an obsession with the Noble M12). Sure the latter is more expensive, but it's a proper fast car from the get-go whereas the leon will always be a fast family car no matter what i do to it. Third option is (and you'll like this) get an Ibiza as a project car (not the new one, I hate that - the proper one :) ) and BT upgrade that. Lot less weight, less cost (at least cost of buying one) could be fun and I believe you've some experience in the area ;)
BT stuff seems to be interesting at last - nothing for 2 years and now we're hearing about all sorts of interesting options from a number of tuners. Good stuff.
Long and short of it is that I really don't know what to do but it's all on hold for a few weeks until the wife starts a new job and we've got the dual income again.
:cheers:
I know a little bit about BT and living with them... and will shortly be able to offer FULL conversion, drive in, drive out on IHI conversions using Jabba's manifold, including mapping VVT non DBW models etc.
Things are afoot. :D
Should be interesting.
I know a little bit about BT and living with them... and will shortly be able to offer FULL conversion, drive in, drive out on IHI conversions using Jabba's manifold, including mapping VVT non DBW models etc.
Things are afoot. :D
Should be interesting.
Well you've already got my credit card number Bill ;) Seriously tho - do let me know when it's really all there and we'll have a chat. Are you doing courtesy cars too? You could just let me borrow the Ibiza for a bit.. I'm not fussy :)
I think if I go ahead with it i'll talk with a number of tuners (JBS, Jabba, yourself) and see what they have to offer in terms of knowledge and price. I'm also interested in progression - i.e. can I do it in moderate stages to stagger the overall cost? I obviously want to do it right tho - reliability and longevity are very important to me.
You seem to keep finding ways to make me want to give you money Bill - you are a very very bad man indeed :bleh:
Oh, and if you need a test car... i'm sure i can negotiate a good deal :hide:
ibizacupra
06-07-2005, 17:36
Well you've already got my credit card number Bill ;) Seriously tho - do let me know when it's really all there and we'll have a chat. Are you doing courtesy cars too? You could just let me borrow the Ibiza for a bit.. I'm not fussy :)
I think if I go ahead with it i'll talk with a number of tuners (JBS, Jabba, yourself) and see what they have to offer in terms of knowledge and price. I'm also interested in progression - i.e. can I do it in moderate stages to stagger the overall cost? I obviously want to do it right tho - reliability and longevity are very important to me.
You seem to keep finding ways to make me want to give you money Bill - you are a very very bad man indeed :bleh:
Oh, and if you need a test car... i'm sure i can negotiate a good deal :hide:
I will post an update in Badger5 section shortly..
Stepped up a gear in what I will be able to do and offer.
VAG Specialist fitting, 2 x ex-dealer techs, new products and services coming very soon.
BT kit (IHI/Jabba manifold) with mapping to suit.
:cheers:
Interesting developements Bill,good luck to you.
Good on you Bill, sounds quality :thumbup:
I will post an update in Badger5 section shortly..
Stepped up a gear in what I will be able to do and offer.
VAG Specialist fitting, 2 x ex-dealer techs, new products and services coming very soon.
BT kit (IHI/Jabba manifold) with mapping to suit.
:cheers:
I think its a good move Bill and i feel sure it will work out well for you. Best of luck but i dont think you will need it to be honest. I think a visit to jabba for me is in order as the car feels very slow and the only way to be sure if its performing as it should is a go on jabbas rollers to ease my mind. Its boosting on the guage fine its had a new maf but theres a niggling feeling its not performing.
Dangel you still not got it jabbaed? Didnt they give you a date of last june or something? Then put you off. :thumbd:
Thats crazy, ive been on the list for 19-20 months now and its just to long :( . TBH i dont think they are interested as they have not even bothered to call me back.
Go to JBS there taking bookings for there GT28rs conversion round bout now.
There willing to take your deposit and start fabircating and gathering the neccessary parts.
Go on you know you want to :thumbup:
I too know how Dangle feels - I have been chasing all and sundry for almost 3 years - APR, Jabba etc -trying to get them to produce a st 3 kit for the1.8T in RHD form.
The Cupra R is such a great car with tremendous potential which we in this country are not able to exploit, becaust the Tuners won`t/can`t supply the goods for us- If we drove on the right side of the road, most of us would be running round with 350bhp motors.
Every time i get wasted by one of the locals hot shot Imprezza/evo/celica/M3 I get more angry, at their unwillingness/inability to cater for our needs.
The problem of availability for the Cupra R lies not so much with the hardware, but more so with the software programming - the latest Bosch 7.5 ECU, are heavily encrypted and difficult toaccess for the major changes that a big turbo conversion involves.
The earlier ECU for the throttle cable cars are much easier to encode.
APR will shortly release a 380 bhp set st3+ in the States,and I am assured that APR Australia is going to produce a RHD version in the not too distant future - the long wait continues!!
ibizacupra
07-07-2005, 08:54
I too know how Dangle feels - I have been chasing all and sundry for almost 3 years - APR, Jabba etc -trying to get them to produce a st 3 kit for the1.8T in RHD form.
The Cupra R is such a great car with tremendous potential which we in this country are not able to exploit, becaust the Tuners won`t/can`t supply the goods for us- If we drove on the right side of the road, most of us would be running round with 350bhp motors.
Every time i get wasted by one of the locals hot shot Imprezza/evo/celica/M3 I get more angry, at their unwillingness/inability to cater for our needs.
The problem of availability for the Cupra R lies not so much with the hardware, but more so with the software programming - the latest Bosch 7.5 ECU, are heavily encrypted and difficult toaccess for the major changes that a big turbo conversion involves.
The earlier ECU for the throttle cable cars are much easier to encode.
APR will shortly release a 380 bhp set st3+ in the States,and I am assured that APR Australia is going to produce a RHD version in the not too distant future - the long wait continues!!
Later ECU with VVT and BT, IHI conversion is not an issue.
We have the technology (shortly) to do this, and certainly have the "lived with" experience of IHI. :)
RHD drive conversions remain with JBS's for GT28(derivitive) and Jabba manifold and IHI (spec'd) turbo. Jabba manifold is proven.
My new engine retains this, but with larger IHI on it.. :D (cant wait.. and *hope* existing engine lasts until its ready.... its very very tired I think... smoking now :( )
Thanks for the post and the insight Bill - I know by repute that you have vast experience of the IHI, warts and all!!
I am heartened that at last someone is taking up the challenge to support all the power starved Cupra men in RHDland - "there`s gold in `em `er hills!"
I will contact you.
The ATP Eliminators turbos for Audi longitudinal applications are out now! GT2X kit which offers 300 crank is $1295 and the GTRS which is 350 crank is $1595.
FWD has been delayed for 6 weeks, so should be out mid August. I'll be going for the FWD GT2X kit as soon as they are out, with extra mods I should make more than 300 crank if they can do it on a stock Audi A4 1.8T - stock exhaust, stock IC, etc.! :blink: :happy:
Well done Bill - sounds like a great thing you're about to do. :thumbup: :clap:
I know that jabba are very close to being ready for the cupra r ihi kit.They have been doing some testing this week and it has looked promising.
Found this thread on Vortex, gives testament to the strength of the 1.8T standard internals - this guy says he ran 10k miles with 400whp and the internals looks mint after 10k of hard driving!
http://forums.vwvortex.com/zerothread?id=2067272
http://www.hostdub.com/albums/18T3t04e/DSCN2547.jpg
HUGE turbo!!!
"its been a fun adventure... just got the head back from jose at LR engineering, and got my pistons from chris green at USP all today...
started breaking down the stocker motor... and much to my surprise, after 10k miles of hard abuse, and a few 400+whp passes on the dyno, the rods looked immaculate... pistons look immaculate, and rod bearings look like they had never even been used... lol
very very surprised..."
Cupra_power
09-07-2005, 08:42
Bloody hell , why bother with an engine ? looks like he`s strapped a gas turbine on... you could suck up small animals with that thing.
Looks like a gt30/35 ,probably be ok at low boost,ie good power with low torque....drive would be crap though.
The ATP Eliminators turbos for Audi longitudinal applications are out now! GT2X kit which offers 300 crank is $1295 and the GTRS which is 350 crank is $1595.
FWD has been delayed for 6 weeks, so should be out mid August. I'll be going for the FWD GT2X kit as soon as they are out, with extra mods I should make more than 300 crank if they can do it on a stock Audi A4 1.8T - stock exhaust, stock IC, etc.! :blink: :happy:
Well done Bill - sounds like a great thing you're about to do. :thumbup: :clap:
These kits sound great Rob but i`d still be concerned about the software side - I have it on good authority that therehave been some `disasters` already - Remaps with the standard kit only require a few files to be changed in the ECU - once you start going to big turbos, fatter injectors, it`s a whole new ballgame!
The talent to do this is out there,as is the motivation - guess it`s just the time and the money involved
I would have had an IHI kit adapted and fitted two years ago if it was at all possible - the hardware is no great problem - I`d spoken to Jim Curley about doing the job - it was just the software.
JBS and Custom Code seem to have cracked it, and that is fantastic news - I can`t wait! - APR have too - their kit is a jewel, if we could only get it!
I have just fitted an APR 3" downpipe and cat to my LCR and i`m going to JABBA on Aug 8th for a custom remap, so I hope then to hear good news about their IHI kits - I`ve been on the list for 2 years now!!!
you could suck up small animals with that thing.
ROLFMAO :roflmao:
But on topic again,is there any news on this GT2X ??
Isn't the price tag a little too high compared to the GT28RS?
YerMother
25-07-2005, 18:52
ROLFMAO :roflmao:
But on topic again,is there any news on this GT2X ??
Isn't the price tag a little too high compared to the GT28RS?
Says 6 week delay
$1295 is about right! Remember it is a bolt-on (will probably need a map to suit aswell so say another $500) standard manifold, exhaust etc. GT28RS has alot more costs involved!
Hmm sounds very interesting indeed,will this s*cker work with REVO stg 2 software?
Injectors more then likely on an ibiza setup same parts required as the k03s setups running around. 440cc's would be ok.
ive probably already guessed the answer but im assuming these kits are to suit the k03/04-01 manifold and demand isnt such that theyll be made to suit the better flowing tt225 manifold/downpipe combination?
They are making them for the 210/225 engine too!
YerMother
11-10-2005, 16:55
Anyone know whats going on with these? I mean anyone contacted ATP
The transverese Eliminators should have been released by now! Web site was said "in less than 2 weeks" for around 6 weeks now!
Maybe they are having problems with the manifold! :think:
Daz_gibbo
19-10-2005, 19:10
We're just busy making sure the kits come with all the parts you need for the
install. It will happen soon enough. Thanks for your patience. We're very
close.
ATP Turbo Team
Excellent - I was considering the GT2X but now I'm thinking scr*w it I'll have the GTRS!!! :D Good news!
Ruddmeister
19-10-2005, 19:15
The transverese Eliminators should have been released by now! Web site was said "in less than 2 weeks" for around 6 weeks now!
I know Grant at Westec was going to order some 'stock' weeks ago just to see what they did and decide whether to stock them permanently......don;t know if he did order them / get them
YerMother
19-10-2005, 20:00
Excellent - I was considering the GT2X but now I'm thinking scr*w it I'll have the GTRS!!! :D Good news!
Rob i have been told you wont get much more out of a GT2X than a k04 realistically! They only manage high 290BHP with around 104+ ron fuel! Which is achievable with a k04! The GTRS would be the better option, especially if you have the injectors already just get star to map it for you! :) may loose abit bottom end b'cos of the lag but the flow top-end will make up for that ;) You can easily achieve a realiable 320 BHP running a sensible boost level (more if you wanna push internals)
grant@westec.uk
19-10-2005, 20:13
Not got them yet, but have the dealership paperwork ready to go. Just have to offload a certain amount of readies and we're ready to go!
Got a rather large 6 months or so ahead, ATP being part of them.
Justcraizy
03-04-2006, 11:35
Hi
I have a question about this turbo.
Several sources are selling GT28R and some of them are telling that it is a bolt on turbo some are telling it will not fit 100%(exhaust manifold).
Does only ATP turbo fit or also others will fit?
Im running Cupra 1.8T 2001 and looking for turbo upgrade. But cant understand whether I can order myself GT28R from other sellers or not.
Daz_gibbo
03-04-2006, 11:43
Your talking of different turbos mate.
GT28RS will not bolt on.
GTRS is the bolt on option from ATP
Justcraizy
03-04-2006, 11:48
Thanks for the reply :)
so this is the cheapest kit from atp and the only kit that would do the job?
http://www.atpturbo.com/Merchant2/merchant.mvc?Screen=PROD&Store_Code=tp&Product_Code=ATP-VVW-151&Category_Code=BCS
It is strange, cause a person from our country VW club bought GT28R and told it was totally bolt on turbo. Are the manifolds really different then?
Yep, Eliminator series is designed to bolt up to stock manifold etc., anything else needs it's own manifold, downpipe, intake etc.
Your link points to the Audi kits, you need to look here:
http://www.atpturbo.com/root/releases/release090105.htm
I have had a hands-on look at the GT2X and GTRS Eliminator turbos, all Garrett turbos, cracking turbos, even the GT2X is bigger than a K04, here's a couple of pics I got of the GT2X Vs K04:
http://www.rd20vturbo.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/images/gt2xk0401.jpg
http://www.rd20vturbo.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/images/gt2xk0402.jpg
GTRS and GT2X are being fitted by Star as we speak, the GTRS is a good chunk bigger than the GT2X again, mine is going in very soon! :D
Justcraizy
03-04-2006, 14:38
Thanks
I want to do the fitting by myself.
Ok, in that case I will probably get:
http://www.atpturbo.com/Merchant2/merchant.mvc?Screen=PROD&Product_Code=ATP-VVW-162&Category_Code=VVWTK
Have to collect money for a month for it :)
Thanks again for clearing things up for me.
cupra_matt
07-04-2006, 19:20
Yep, Eliminator series is designed to bolt up to stock manifold etc., anything else needs it's own manifold, downpipe, intake etc.
Your link points to the Audi kits, you need to look here:
http://www.atpturbo.com/root/releases/release090105.htm
I have had a hands-on look at the GT2X and GTRS Eliminator turbos, all Garrett turbos, cracking turbos, even the GT2X is bigger than a K04, here's a couple of pics I got of the GT2X Vs K04:
http://www.rd20vturbo.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/images/gt2xk0401.jpg
http://www.rd20vturbo.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/images/gt2xk0402.jpg
GTRS and GT2X are being fitted by Star as we speak, the GTRS is a good chunk bigger than the GT2X again, mine is going in very soon! :D
Jim was talking about you when i was there, keep this thread updated on the results, which turbo have you gone for, i fancy going for a GT2X after my wedding.
GT2X, I didn't fancy a down-tuned GTRS to protect the standard internals, so if the GT2X can give me 290-300bhp I'll be happy, car goes in on the 18th. I have another couple of bolt-ons to add which will help too! ;)
How did you get on Rob? Not seen you around here for a while - everything go okay?
Hi Phil. Car is in right now being done. GT2X along with S3 injectors @ 4-BAR (to give around 440cc), S3 Forge/Samco intake hose, S3 MAF, ATP manifold etc. and a manual boost controller. Water pump failed during mapping, road tests, etc. so needs new pump, timing belt etc. but before the pump went it was making 281bhp and 309lbft at 20PSI. Fitting an Apexi AVC-R boost controller soon as most MBC's are a bit naff really. So it's all going well really (apart from the water pump!), should have it back next week. Definately alot better than a K04 that's for sure. :)
Jim is also doing a GTRS on another Leon just now too. ;)
GTRS - nice.
Why all the manual boost control/Apexi stuff? I took it that Jim could do custom mapping?
I think the N75 keeps cutting boost at 20PSI and over so has to be bypassed, plus yes, Jim is fully custom mapping it and wants control over the boost. The AVC-R can be set to give different boost in different gears, rpm's, etc., so hopefully give more traction in lower gears on lower boost etc., 309lbft is available from only 3800rpm so could well need it!
GTRS is making around 320bhp so far. Dual ball-bearing turbo, sounds awesome!
These Eliminators appear to be a decent intermediate step between K03S/K04 and big turbo kits. Offers a path too, I can now upgrade to GTRS or GT2871R without too much hassle, just have to buy stronger rods - lol! :D
can Jim not control the N75/Boost using the ECU?
Hopefully the MBC / Apexi won't just mean it runs rich.
:confused:
Unless, like Rob hints, it's just to lower the boost in the lower gears...
YerMother
28-04-2006, 18:08
lower boost in lower gears? Can't you just give it less throttle? Just seems an un-necessary item! :shrug:
Of course he can yes, he's one of the top tuners in the UK, he just wants more control over boost and the amount and way it's delivered through the gears for maximum traction, to be as efficient as possible. I fully agree with that approach.
Oh dear, here we go again. Jabbasport use adjustable boost controllers, EIP Tuning use the AVC-R, so why can't Star, no difference.
Jabba's one just plugs into the N75 control circuit.... so it's not the same Rob
I wasn't having a dig, just don't understand why he can't control the boost, but could if he wanted - get back down & settle.
the yanks stick big injectors on with enlarged maf housings & run stock code, so just because someone does it, doesn't mean it's right.
Boost is controlled, he wants more control, that's all m8.
wild willy
28-04-2006, 19:45
Its good to have a manual boost controller to adjust the cars output to suit the driving conditions.
Excellent news rob on your turbo upgrade.
I've been looking into the elimniators recently as an upgrade path and are looking very promising.
The Quattro eliminator GT28rs is a direct replacement for the lcr but i think i would probably risk 320bhp before internals upgrade. Rob why not have the new ATP 3inch tip fitted instead of the forge, less restrictive. I think stock K04's will benefit from the new ATP Tip.
cupra_matt
29-04-2006, 13:55
Hi Phil. Car is in right now being done. GT2X along with S3 injectors @ 4-BAR (to give around 440cc), S3 Forge/Samco intake hose, S3 MAF, ATP manifold etc. and a manual boost controller. Water pump failed during mapping, road tests, etc. so needs new pump, timing belt etc. but before the pump went it was making 281bhp and 309lbft at 20PSI. Fitting an Apexi AVC-R boost controller soon as most MBC's are a bit naff really. So it's all going well really (apart from the water pump!), should have it back next week. Definately alot better than a K04 that's for sure. :)
Jim is also doing a GTRS on another Leon just now too. ;)
So have i got this right. S3 injectors @ 4 bar = 440cc
so i could use bosch greens @ 3 bar which are 440cc
This is for a GT2X, would that be ok, iam not prepared to pay £320 for S3 injectors.
wild willy
29-04-2006, 19:59
So have i got this right. S3 injectors @ 4 bar = 440cc
so i could use bosch greens @ 3 bar which are 440cc
This is for a GT2X, would that be ok, iam not prepared to pay £320 for S3 injectors.
I don't think that you would require a 440cc capacity if your desired bhp was only 290bhp approx.
cordobabrendy
29-04-2006, 20:03
what is the max cc of the standard lc ones?
Yea, 440's are overkill for sub 300.
ibizacupra
29-04-2006, 20:33
Boost is controlled, he wants more control, that's all m8.
how will you get a gear signal?
presume this is needed for a gear related boost control.
john banks
29-04-2006, 22:42
AVC-R picks up RPM and vehicle speed signals. You can drive along in five different gears and it will give you a ratio which you can save to tell it which gear is which. Then you can give it more or less "start duty" in each gear.
On the AWD big turbo cars it is nice to make sure you get full boost in 2nd gear without excessive spiking in top.
If you have six gears, best to setup 2-6 as your five gears, but if you want to limit wheelspin in 1st, I guess you could do that. It will work fine if you pair up a couple of gears.
Not sure how the VAG solenoids work, but if they are two port, then the AVC-R's solenoid is much better as it is three port. This means that it can completely block off the actuator from seeing any of the boost pressure signal. A two port setup has to bleed off a restricted pipe generally.
The actual boost control algorithm in the AVC-R is not that hot, self learn is useless and best left alone. But with the right settings it is the best boost controller I've come across. Makes a lot of the HKS and Blitz stuff seem very silly.
And a manual boost controller is right up there for quality of control. You can use them with external wastegates and they've been used on cars running 9 sec quarters with top speeds over 210 mph. Nothing wrong with them at all.
ibizacupra
30-04-2006, 09:06
I am wondering tho how the request vs actual side of life will be vs limp mode if the bosch ecu see's a <>200mb deviation and throws a wobbly into soft limp.
I am considering something along these lines myself to help get me off the line without rediculous wheelspin (thats or some sort of decent TCS)
john banks
30-04-2006, 10:12
Why not just feed the ECU a boost signal it wants to see? - ie clamp it.
Does it go wobbly over high airflow signals as well?
jonathanp
30-04-2006, 13:16
I am wondering tho how the request vs actual side of life will be vs limp mode if the bosch ecu see's a <>200mb deviation and throws a wobbly into soft limp.
soft limp (5 psi) wont happen if N75 is bypassed as there will be no device to force all the boost pressure to wastegate, just gotta make sure the car is mapped to fuel correctly at the highest pressure the BCV runs at.
Is there such a thing as hard limp on the 1.8T ECU? i.e. reduces all the fuelling so it doen't create any boost at all?
john banks
30-04-2006, 17:52
Presumably it could close the throttle or limit the revs if it wanted to even if it doesn't have wastegate solenoid control?
ibizacupra
30-04-2006, 22:01
Why not just feed the ECU a boost signal it wants to see? - ie clamp it.
Does it go wobbly over high airflow signals as well?
does'nt seem too fussed on airflows, but MAP sensor deviations it struggles with. not just a max thing tho just more or less than its asking for at any one time and it can throw a tantrum
john banks
30-04-2006, 23:45
So you mean if you were pulling up a hill on 25% throttle and the ECU requested 0.2 bar boost and it got more or less it would limp? That indeed would be tricky.
John, Just to go off topic for a second ,how are you finding the evo ix ,seriously considering one myself ,have you ever tried the type 25 scooby?
Feel free to drop me a pm.
That's right John, a difference in requested and actual greater than a tolerance and it'll go into limp. Some of the yenks with MBCs clamp the output signal of the MAP sensor. God knows how they control fuelling.
Rob - I'm really surprised that you went for the GT2X - Everyone seems to think it'll do about the same as a K04-20, which is what your hybrid did :confused: I thought you would've gone GTRS to have some gains.
Also, if the GT2X DOES make roughly the same as a K04, I still wonder why Jim wants extra boost control? Again, I'm not knocking him because it's clear he's done some very good stuff, and that he's been doing it longer than a lot of others. Just wondering, that's all. Next thing is a lot of people saying "yeah, but you NEED extra boost control to run an eliminator".
It'll be interesting to see what a Brit GT2X does though...
Has anyone else got one on yet?
i'm also thinking about upgrading my lcr's k04
not sure yet if i should go for the gtrs or gt2871r ?
(looks like both upgrades are possible for about the same price)
been reading 350-400 is about the max you should go for with stock internals
so i would say the gtrs is the option to go for then, but what about the gt2871r and maybe a bit lower boost ?
YerMother
25-05-2006, 17:50
i'm also thinking about upgrading my lcr's k04
not sure yet if i should go for the gtrs or gt2871r ?
(looks like both upgrades are possible for about the same price)
been reading 350-400 is about the max you should go for with stock internals
so i would say the gtrs is the option to go for then, but what about the gt2871r and maybe a bit lower boost ?
Its more like 350 on stock LCR internals! I think on a FWD car the GTRS is the better option! It will still give you nearly 100 more BHP than what you have now!
Ok but is this gtrs 350bhp number reachable or is it just on paper ?
and what about running a gt2871r on a lower boost ?
YerMother
25-05-2006, 23:55
I think with the right set with the GTRS, 350 should easily be achievable, especially with the high flow manifold they are going to be releasing shortly! It will be more driveable with the GTRS too! The GT2871R may be slightly too big, too laggy for use as an everyday car!
I don't see the point in getting the GT2871R and running it at a lower boost, unless your plan is to uprate the internals at a later date?
I don't think the gt28rs is that responsive and to get near 350bhp you will need the .86 a/r which is fairly laggy.
I'm going to talk to my tuner, looks like the gtrs is a nice upgrade ;)
I reckon 320bhp with resonable spool.
sportuner
28-05-2006, 20:03
Hi, I have a Gt2x on cordoba cupra, but is not finalized all, I need 440cc inyectors for give it more pressure, at the moment just by 0.75 Bar.....
http://img409.imageshack.us/img409/6524/cupra10kr.jpg
another one with more pressure, of GT2x??
cupra R con
15-06-2006, 21:17
BTTT, it would be good to hear more about the 'eliminator' turbo.
Darth Tater
16-06-2006, 16:24
Guys
Really enjoyed reading this thread
Cant really comment on the technical side of things as it's way over my head :shrug:
I am however seriously interested in the Eliminator GTRS as a replacement for my K04 on the LCR :yes:
I'm hoping for a headline figure of about 340 bhp as I don't plan to upgrade internals as yet. Bit disspaointed to read above it might be laggy so this is something I'll speak to Big Boys Toys about as they will be carrying out the work. If they're happy it won't be too much different to the K04 in terms of spool/response etc I'll most likely go with it. Will post back in here in due course as it seems it's potentially of interest to others
If anyone has any seriuos misgivings about this plan of action I'd be grateful to hear those thoughts :think:
YerMother
16-06-2006, 16:35
If you go bigger you can't get away from lag! The GTRS is bound to have a lower spool rate than that of a k04 you can't get away from that sorry mate!
Darth Tater
16-06-2006, 17:17
If you go bigger you can't get away from lag! The GTRS is bound to have a lower spool rate than that of a k04 you can't get away from that sorry mate!
I guess so but I was thinking that other factors could be adusted to compensate for whatever process actually causes lag :shrug: . As stated above I don't have much technical comprehension of the ins and outs. I'll have a chat with the guys and see what they say as I think they've fitted some to other VAG cars. Not sure if they've done a Leon as yet though. :think:
I'm still waiting for eliminator and gt28rs from the States - have been since February!!!!
Had 5 promises of shipping so far....
Ryan is right looking at 320 bhp in order to map out as much lag as possible but also saving the stock internals somewhat. Will need to upgrade to FMIC and bigger injectors NOT greentops but something like LCR or S3 types.
Darth Tater
16-06-2006, 20:12
I'm still waiting for eliminator and gt28rs from the States - have been since February!!!!
Had 5 promises of shipping so far....
Ryan is right looking at 320 bhp in order to map out as much lag as possible but also saving the stock internals somewhat. Will need to upgrade to FMIC and bigger injectors NOT greentops but something like LCR or S3 types.
Big Boys Toys apparently have them in stock mate :funk:
FMIC went in recently for Revo Stage 2. I think there are a couple of bits required for Stage 3 but that shouldn't be a prob
Good luck with yours when the turbo finally arrives
I'll chat to BBT's re lag etc as I'm there on Monday for some other bits and see what sort of power level they reocommend to keep it to a minimum
NOW HERE AND IT WILL BE FITTED ON THE WEEKEND - WEATHER DEPENDANT. ALL WITH TH HELP OF MY LOVELY ASSISTANT MARK - TAUGHT HIM ALL HE KNOWS :whistle:
cupra_matt
21-06-2006, 00:03
My GT2X Kit has arrived at Star Performance, should have it for friday. Cant wait.:D
Fruit And VAG
21-06-2006, 00:53
I think with the right set with the GTRS, 350 should easily be achievable, especially with the high flow manifold they are going to be releasing shortly! It will be more driveable with the GTRS too! The GT2871R may be slightly too big, too laggy for use as an everyday car!
I don't see the point in getting the GT2871R and running it at a lower boost, unless your plan is to uprate the internals at a later date?
I think this is sense. The GT28RS is not a straight bolt-on and wont make such a great everyday car. The GTRS will have real advantages around town, but maybe the GT28RS with lower boost does allow internals to be modded later to make a better track day car, assuming you can do something about the extra lag?
I for one cannot wait to see some postings on the first bunch of you to install GTRS, GT2X and GT28RS for comparisons on overall performance, cost and lag times. Bring it on! My money is on the the GTRS as the best all-rounder for the price, but I aint forking out without seeing some proof in the pudding.
lukecupra2001
25-06-2006, 23:22
at the mo i have a lc with revo stage 2 and im realy liking the sound of these eliminator turbos after spending money on cat and dp etc.dont wanna go mad probs a steady 300-320bhp.its bad enough in the wet now.lol.i like what robdon done with his powerwise and was wondering if anybody else done this and had gud results.
YerMother
25-06-2006, 23:29
I think this is sense. The GT28RS is not a straight bolt-on and wont make such a great everyday car. The GTRS will have real advantages around town, but maybe the GT28RS with lower boost does allow internals to be modded later to make a better track day car, assuming you can do something about the extra lag?
I for one cannot wait to see some postings on the first bunch of you to install GTRS, GT2X and GT28RS for comparisons on overall performance, cost and lag times. Bring it on! My money is on the the GTRS as the best all-rounder for the price, but I aint forking out without seeing some proof in the pudding.
The GTRS is a bolt on version of the GT28RS! It has the same compressor housing just the turbine side that is different!
The three types of eliminators are GT2X GTRS & GT2871R (being the largest)
Fruit And VAG
26-06-2006, 02:13
The GTRS is a bolt on version of the GT28RS! It has the same compressor housing just the turbine side that is different!
The three types of eliminators are GT2X GTRS & GT2871R (being the largest)
Yeah I know, but the GT28RS doesnt use the stock manifold, inlet pipe and downpipe as I undesrtand it - so owners of the GT28RS are likely to uprate those components and I wonder how similar a GT28RS and GTRS will be performance-wise as a result. Is the GTRS simply a better design using stock internals, or does the GT28RS have an edge providing you got the mula to jig around with your internals?? I suspect installing a GT28RS with manifolds such as those from ATP in their GT28RS package will give the GT28RS an edge, but only a slim one for quite a bit of increased cost. Hence I think the GTRS is probably the best value-for-money solution out there in BT conversions and represents something that is atainable by more everyday people who are busy and cannot go without their car for a week or two while a garage re-arranges their engine bay.
Your original message you spoke of the GTRS with an aftermarket manifold...
I think with the right set with the GTRS, 350 should easily be achievable, especially with the high flow manifold they are going to be releasing shortly!
This is nice, but my suspicion is that most people who would dream of a BT conversion (like me) havent got time for the install of the GT28RS, and the marketing around the GTRS is with stock internals, not with a manifold change. So in that respect there are possible performance differences on two identical vehicles where one went the GTRS route and the other the GT28RS route. I just think the GTRS route is going to be more bang-per-buck as it were, but marginally beaten into second by the GT28RS in real performance terms.
Maybe I didn't make my point clear the first time?
today got my lcr back with the gt28rs eliminator fitted and revo stage 3
no logs yet but it feels like boost coming on arround 3500 and max boost arround 4000
(and it feels like the boost keeps running till the limiter)
some pictures :
http://www.538.nl/~ddx/lcr/ombouw/DSC00223.JPG
http://www.538.nl/~ddx/lcr/ombouw/DSC00224.JPG
http://www.538.nl/~ddx/lcr/ombouw/DSC00225.JPG
http://www.538.nl/~ddx/lcr/ombouw/DSC00226.JPG
http://www.538.nl/~ddx/lcr/ombouw/DSC00227.JPG
http://www.538.nl/~ddx/lcr/ombouw/DSC00228.JPG
http://www.538.nl/~ddx/lcr/ombouw/DSC00229.JPG
http://www.538.nl/~ddx/lcr/ombouw/DSC00230.JPG
http://www.538.nl/~ddx/lcr/ombouw/DSC00231.JPG
http://www.538.nl/~ddx/lcr/ombouw/DSC00232.JPG
http://www.538.nl/~ddx/lcr/ombouw/DSC00233.JPG
http://www.538.nl/~ddx/lcr/ombouw/DSC00234.JPG
http://www.538.nl/~ddx/lcr/ombouw/DSC00235.JPG
http://www.538.nl/~ddx/lcr/ombouw/DSC00236.JPG
http://www.538.nl/~ddx/lcr/ombouw/DSC00251.JPG
http://www.538.nl/~ddx/lcr/ombouw/DSC00259.JPG
http://www.538.nl/~ddx/lcr/ombouw/DSC00260.JPG
http://www.538.nl/~ddx/lcr/ombouw/DSC00261.JPG
http://www.538.nl/~ddx/lcr/ombouw/DSC00262.JPG
YerMother
05-08-2006, 10:30
Can't believe they got it in without removing the downpipe!
Seems to fit nicely :)
What else you got? Did upgrade the injectors or just fit a 4Bar FPR? Does it go well then, i mean is there a big difference in performance?
Looks a good job. I'd not read anywhere about a GTRS going on a K04 car.
Looks like it fit okay? Taking the driveshaft out seems a scary thought, but it does create a lot more room. Did you have a look at doing it from above?
What does it drive like off boost? Can't wait for logs.
Edit :lol: Snap.
Did you use your k04 exhaust side housing?
GTRS Eliminator exits straight down.
They do a K04 fitment GTRS as well m0rk. Just no high flow mnaifold as yet.
http://www.atpturbo.com/Merchant2/merchant.mvc?Screen=PROD&Store_Code=tp&Product_Code=ATP-VVW-164&Category_Code=BCS
Is it me or do the turbine housing studs look a little short?
YerMother
05-08-2006, 12:44
Looks a good job. I'd not read anywhere about a GTRS going on a K04 car.
Looks like it fit okay? Taking the driveshaft out seems a scary thought, but it does create a lot more room. Did you have a look at doing it from above?
What does it drive like off boost? Can't wait for logs.
Edit :lol: Snap.
You loosen the manifold/turbo bolts from above but you'd never get it out that way as the engine lies back slightly towards the bulk head! Plus you can only get to two of the downpipe bolts from above, the third you need to be underneath.
The MoffMeister
05-08-2006, 14:17
Hi guys have read through the 6 pages of info and techno babble and my head now hurts!! lol
Am i right in thinking then from what i have read, i can buy the GTRS Turbo and fit it straight to my leon cupra without messing about with the manifold tip downpipe etc??
Secondly if i did want to go the GT28RS which if i remember is the next one up (correct me if im wrong) i'd have to change a load of stuff in order for this to work??
So just an over view to get more power without going into stupid money how do the 2 compare cost wise and money wise etc??
Sorry if this is covering old ground but i haven't a clue on these things and as said before my head hurts from 6 pages of techno jargon!!
Many thanx for any replies guys in lamens terms!! lol
YerMother
05-08-2006, 14:39
The best options are the GT2X or the GTRS! GT2X is only slightly bigger than a K04-23 (turbo found on LCRs S3s etc.) which the only thing you probably need is a 4Bar FPR then get a map to suit and you'll be around 270 - 280 with a high flow zorst! A bit more if you increase the size of the inlet.
With the GTRS you'll defo need bigger injectors (LCR/S3 380cc injectors with a 4Bar FPR should be adaquate which uprates them to 437cc which should be good for around 350BHP), bigger Turbo inlet pipe is a good idea which means a bigger MAF housing. People seems to be using the 225 inlet pluming (again found on S3 LCR TT 225) and the ATP high flow exahust manifold would probably be a good idea too, to get the most out of it! Again mapped to suit such as REVO stage 3 which I beliveve are gonna have software for it! With this your probaby realistically looking at around 300 - 310 BHP
The other i would just forget about, if your gonna go real BT then i say do it properly!
The MoffMeister
05-08-2006, 14:59
Ok thanx your mother so GTRS it is then, with a bigger MAF, injectors, exhaust, ive already got the tip but its for my standard turbo now would that still be adequate or need a bigger one?
What do you meanby the 225 pluming inlet?? soz bit dim i am?
As for the manifold would that be ness for now as i thought i could use the original one?
So this will be ok for my cupra??
Thanx for the time and help mate
So does the GTRS compressor need to be clocked to fit the car correctly?
Also are there any plans for you dyno your car.
I'm supposed to be fitting one of these to an S3 soon and I'd like to know some numbers if possible before I commit.
Dunno about clocking, I assume as it's a kit it'll fit as it is? Pictures show turbine housing off though, so :shrug:
ATP website says 350bhp, depending on mapping and fuel. Assuming it IS a GTRS...
YerMother
05-08-2006, 18:14
Ok thanx your mother so GTRS it is then, with a bigger MAF, injectors, exhaust, ive already got the tip but its for my standard turbo now would that still be adequate or need a bigger one?
What do you meanby the 225 pluming inlet?? soz bit dim i am?
As for the manifold would that be ness for now as i thought i could use the original one?
So this will be ok for my cupra??
Thanx for the time and help mate
225 inlet plumping Air filter/MAF/TIP, the like the S3 and LCR has so it's slighty bigger. So i'd recommend a bigger TIP with the GTRS!.
You'll get away with manifold for now but for an addition £300 quid you may as well do it all at the same time!
Yes this is all for the cupra so you need the K03 fittment kit for the transverse 1.8T FWD, it's all on the ATP website. They do a 3" inlet as an extra but not sure about fitment on that!
The MoffMeister
05-08-2006, 18:21
ok either way think im going to do that then really appreciate the help mate any idea on rough costage etc??
YerMother
05-08-2006, 18:38
Probably not going to have much change from 3k if any! :( But you will have a solid 300+ BHP
The MoffMeister
05-08-2006, 18:40
jesus, better get another job but for that money cant you go ihi?
YerMother
05-08-2006, 18:50
It's a common mistake mate!
Unless your gonna do the fitting yourself?
Parts alone (rough costs)
1,100 - turbo kit
400 - injector (probably source some cheaper)
100 - S3 MAF housing
40 - 4 bar FPR
100 - S3 TIP
300 - manifold (if you get if)
500 - remap
Total = £2540
If you get it fitted it going to be around 6 hrs labour (say @ £50/hr). So 50 x 6 = 300
So thats £2840 it's all rough guestimates before anyone starts ;)
Edit: Oh you will want an nice free flowing exhaust too! Another 1k! :lol:
The MoffMeister
05-08-2006, 19:11
It's a common mistake mate!
Unless your gonna do the fitting yourself?
Parts alone (rough costs)
1,100 - turbo kit
400 - injector (probably source some cheaper)
100 - S3 MAF housing
40 - 4 bar FPR
100 - S3 TIP
300 - manifold (if you get if)
500 - remap
Total = £2540
If you get it fitted it going to be around 6 hrs labour (say @ £50/hr). So 50 x 6 = 300
So thats £2840 it's all rough guestimates before anyone starts ;)
Edit: Oh you will want an nice free flowing exhaust too! Another 1k! :lol:
:-o :-o :-o
Well anyone wanna buy my body? only way i can pay for it haha but then again i suppose most of it can be done by hand if its bolt on etc
But otherwise sod it why not you only live once watch this space and thanx yer mother exhaust a 1k whats it made of gold?? was getting blue flame surely that will be ok??
Nice one cheers all :clap: :clap:
DDX - was your stock k04 flowed? Do you want to sell it, I might know someone who's interested in a new one :D
How does the Revo stg 3 compare to JD's code?
YerMother
05-08-2006, 19:14
But otherwise sod it why not you only live once watch this space and thanx yer mother exhaust a 1k whats it made of gold?? was getting blue flame surely that will be ok??
Just wanted to make sure i got the desired effect!
Blue flame is still around £600 isn't for full turbo back system??
The MoffMeister
05-08-2006, 19:26
yeah think SCN members get it for £525 with cat back and 100 cell..
jesus, better get another job but for that money cant you go ihi?
IIRC IHI route is at least twice that, although the comparison would depend very much on what you include...
The MoffMeister
06-08-2006, 11:07
tbh now ive been thinking about its not that exspensive really thought turbo kit was going to be well loads but about 1100 thats cool will get a bit at a time i thinks sod ihi lol
Are atp the best route to go down??
some quick logs yesterday (i'm currently on vacantion more info in 2 weeks)
max maf 248, would be arround 326pk
boost :
2000 0.3
2500 0.4
3000 0.6
3500 1
3800 1.54
4500 1.54
5500 1.52
6000 1.44
6500 1.4
7000 1.35
YerMother
06-08-2006, 18:00
1.35BAR @7,000 Nice!!
Does seem a bit laggy though (presuming that run was in fourth?) It's around 700 - 800rpm slower to reach full boost than a K04
....but for everyone else's benefit, a little bird's told Sie that the K04 fitment GTRS basically doesn't fit RHD.
I think that's what he said anyway, it was either doesn't fit, or bugger to fit because of the power steering and brake stuff.
Bummer.
The MoffMeister
10-08-2006, 17:29
o great that dont sound promising, anyone confirm this!!
This is TT225/S3/LCR and GTRS I'm talking, not GTi/TT180/Cupra GT2X
Scotty_b
10-08-2006, 18:24
It best bloody fit ive now saved the money for one! Going to cry if i have to go IHI etc now!
Perhaps try to speak to Dean at Awesome. then report back? I think Sie said Dubsport have tried a GTRS on an S3?
YerMother
10-08-2006, 20:13
I'll ask again tomorrow! See what he says!
Scotty_b
10-08-2006, 20:15
BBT have said they will order the kit and if it doenst fit/work i will get a refund but the thing is ive been speaking to performance 3000 and there making a tubular manifold for the k04 so i was waiting to get this before i get the ball rolling with the yanks.
YerMother
10-08-2006, 20:18
It does fit it just requires certain alterations!
I can't remember what they are but I'll get back to ya!
ibizacupra
10-08-2006, 21:47
performance 3000
Is this the same company as Neil Purchase now works?
Neil as in ex-TSR gone bust, done a runner responsible for taking £1000's of customers money for jobs which were never done just prior to departing TSR Performance and its financial collapse?
Good luck.
:rolleyes:
cupra R con
10-08-2006, 22:07
Is this the same company as Neil Purchase now works?
Neil as in ex-TSR gone bust, done a runner responsible for taking £1000's of customers money for jobs which were never done just prior to departing TSR Performance and its financial collapse?
Good luck.
:rolleyes:
A one man campaign to get even on the internet, who would of thought it ;)
PS, I did mean the smiley, don't read into it :happy:
ibizacupra
10-08-2006, 22:29
A one man campaign to get even on the internet, who would of thought it ;)
PS, I did mean the smiley, don't read into it :happy:
and I'm sure you would be passive when screwed over... oh hang on... I remember your recent jbs thread. ;) :p
pots and kettles [B)]
:whistle:
Background on Mr Purchase and his previous MD ship of TSR is here>> http://www.clubgti.com/forum/showthread.php?t=95595
make of it what you will.
Scotty_b
11-08-2006, 00:11
Is it? to be honest im not sure on the mechanics/owners names etc. My friends are all ford freaks and i got pointed in there direction after seeing there focus at a recent show.
Names tend to fly around all over the place (sfs being samcos ex machines and workers, revo being ex amd etc etc) but i take it these guys my have not left on good terms then? I know there new so im a bit wary. All info is gratefully received
cupra R con
11-08-2006, 00:35
pots and kettles [B)]
:whistle:
Background on Mr Purchase and his previous MD ship of TSR is here>> http://www.clubgti.com/forum/showthread.php?t=95595
make of it what you will.
Good thread Bill, one of the most mature i have ever seen on any site, perhaps we understand each other a little better now?
I hope you get your man!
Scotty, you would be as well to back off from your imminent purchase for a while mate.
:cheers:
ibizacupra
11-08-2006, 08:25
Is it? to be honest im not sure on the mechanics/owners names etc. My friends are all ford freaks and i got pointed in there direction after seeing there focus at a recent show.
Names tend to fly around all over the place (sfs being samcos ex machines and workers, revo being ex amd etc etc) but i take it these guys my have not left on good terms then? I know there new so im a bit wary. All info is gratefully received
I just mention it as the TSR debarkle has left many customers with serious issues and £1000's out of pocket. Neil is reportedly worked there, but in what capacity I know not. I have no experience of Performance 3000, but I do of Neal.
Good luck... better to be aware to cover yourself.
{REVO were previously APR Europe btw)
ibizacupra
11-08-2006, 08:28
Scotty, you would be as well to back off from your imminent purchase for a while mate.
:cheers:
I would'nt go as far as that.
Just be aware of the history of that individual not the company per say.
Performance 3000 is another company and he may well just be an employee & that company is probably fine. The individual has some history however which still is in due process.
wild willy
11-08-2006, 08:35
It does fit it just requires certain alterations!
I can't remember what they are but I'll get back to ya!
Is this the quattro eliminator.
ibizacupra
11-08-2006, 08:50
I hope you get your man!
:cheers:
I am just after my money for goods/services provided.
Is this the quattro eliminator.
Yes, this is the TT225/S3/LCR K04-023 fitment GTRS.
Not that it's listed on the ATP website as LCR fitment.
Not sure about the GT2871R Eliminator, but the pictures make it look externally the same, so I would assume it's either the same or bigger...
Scotty_b
11-08-2006, 16:59
Why does all always go pete tong at the last min! Anyone know of somewhere else i can get a decent mani to fit? As after all if the Garret doenst fit the mani will still fit my stock k04
YerMother
11-08-2006, 18:10
Scotty the turbo fits the standard mani and the DP fits the turbo still! It's the intake plumping that has to be modified! I don't wanna take the risk myself! But if BBT is saying they won't charge if it doesn't fit then what do you have to loose?
Scotty_b
14-08-2006, 17:25
Yeah sorry what i meant was after seeing the gains to be had by an uprated exhaust mani i wnated to get it all done at once, rather than bit by bit
I'm not saying it's not worth doing, but where have you seen available gains on a k04 manni?
Scotty_b
14-08-2006, 20:56
Not on a K04 but the atp mani for the k03 gives a suggested 20bhp, now i know thats not going to be the case but all my ex Rs's etc have had tubular mani's and it made a hell of a lot of difference, so for around £300 i think it should help the system flow far better
today did some tests :
maf (with *1,31 ) :
http://www.538.nl/~ddx/vagcom/ddx-gt28rs-2sep06.jpg
boost :
http://www.538.nl/~ddx/vagcom/ddx-boost-gt28rs-2sep06.jpg
1.45/1.5bar max
and k04 vs gt28rs eliminator :
http://www.538.nl/~ddx/vagcom/ddx-k04-vs-gt28rs.jpg
YerMother
03-09-2006, 10:21
DDX are you going to be getting the high flow manifold? Would be interesting to see what how that effects the figures!
Looks good, boost moves quite high up, but I suppose you've got to expect it.
Isn't the 1.31 factor related to the K04? Not sure you can use it on another turbo :confused:
YerMother
03-09-2006, 10:25
It's really laggy isn't it? Full boost not coming it untill 4,500 rpm!
K04's are great, aren't they ;)
DDX are you going to be getting the high flow manifold? Would be interesting to see what how that effects the figures!
no plans for other manifold (the atp manifolds are only for k03 upgrades?)
maybe an other downpipe, but for the moment quite happy with the results
Looks good, boost moves quite high up, but I suppose you've got to expect it.
just keep the revs above 4000rpm :D
YerMother
03-09-2006, 10:41
ATP are currently working on a 225 manifold so they keep telling me! :shrug:
what a laggy turbo upgrade...better off with a smaller turbo with early spin up...must be terrible on track out of corners....lag lad lag whooooo...lag lag whooo.
IHI semm to have much better characteristics from what I remeber on Bill's car
YerMother
03-12-2006, 18:19
just need to keep it above 4,000 rpm!
But get caught in the wrong gear you'll be getting passed by Del Boy in his 3 wheeler! :)
Scotty_b
03-12-2006, 18:39
Anti lag it then my dear friend! Thats if you can afford to rebuild the turbo every year tho!
Old thread i know but is this mani suitable for our FWD RHD K04 turbos?
http://www.atpturbo.com/Merchant2/merchant.mvc?Screen=PROD&Product_Code=ATP-VVW-157&Category_Code=VVWM
don't think it fits k04's no
Isn't that showing K04 flanged mork?
''Exhaust manifold, High flow cast tubular Manifold, stock location mounted turbo on transverse mounted 1.8T engine found on 1998 to 2005 FWD 1.8T engines Compatible with all K03, K04, and stock location mounted ATP Eliminator Series GT2X, GTRS, GT28R, GT2871R. NOT compatible with Quattro cars such at 225TT, 225HP Audi S3 and Cupra **''
Compatible with K04, not compatible with quattro system though:shrug:
Cupra....Are the yanks assuming our FWD LCR's are quattro driven?
No, that's the atp k03 manifold.
Edit: (I was a bit too slow) - when they say k04, they are probably referring to the k04-001.
it does say not compatable with s3, 225tt and cupra, i guess that means it doesnt fit any k04 cars, which going my the picture...it dont
HoocH
this is what you want...
k04 manifold
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v730/benellik2/DSC00408.jpg http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v730/benellik2/DSC00406.jpg
HoocH
dn performance (?) one? Apparently not good quality, but I don't know if anyone's tried one.
http://www.dnperformance.com/audivw.html
There was always some discussion about RHD and LHD manifolds being different, but I've also read they are the same :shrug:
There was also that one from the ex TSR bloke(s), can't remember too many details though, apart from it being advertised in PVW. IIRC Scotty_B had got in contact.
if you read this thread you will find ut about scottyb's probs with them
Scotty_b
31-12-2006, 00:36
Performance 3000 is that? As with most tunners there going to get back to me!
If you did run that you would want to cut slots in the mounting bracket (the bit that bolts to the head) To avoid it wripping itself apart
There was always some discussion about RHD and LHD manifolds being different, but I've also read they are the same :shrug:
I think there the same as etka only list one type of mani. The only variation is the dp, as on rhd cars it has to be tighter to avoid the steering. Where as on lhd they make full use of the space.
ibizacupra
31-12-2006, 11:37
the tubular one has received some ridicule over on vortex on quality grounds.
Backdraft
17-01-2007, 16:11
We have had several customers with damaged engines who have tried the Eliminator kit. They have paid to have their engines rebuilt and then done it properly with the Backdraft Motorsport kit.