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Chris Cupra R
20-07-2005, 01:17
im ozzzzing 4 more power as 13.901 1/4 mile anit fast enought KIDDING!!! LOL
anyway what is need for a IHI setup...
do i just buy the turbo ive been told it can use the orid manifold?? is the true??? then what else do i need apart from the turbo charger??? :confused:
im getting revo stage 2 in like a week with 4bar FPR and bigger injectors, miltek sports cat, CAI, and soo on...
will the turbo just bolt on and work with stage 2? humm im confused?
any help welcome... cheers guys
Try the search loads of info!
ibizacupra
20-07-2005, 08:22
im ozzzzing 4 more power as 13.901 1/4 mile anit fast enought KIDDING!!! LOL
anyway what is need for a IHI setup...
do i just buy the turbo ive been told it can use the orid manifold?? is the true??? then what else do i need apart from the turbo charger??? :confused:
im getting revo stage 2 in like a week with 4bar FPR and bigger injectors, miltek sports cat, CAI, and soo on...
will the turbo just bolt on and work with stage 2? humm im confused?
any help welcome... cheers guys
There a tad more to it than bolting it straight onto std manifold (with req'd adaptor plate)
stage 2 REVO wont likely suit IHI, competely differetn types of turbo and spool characteristics
Whats your budget for going IHI and what are your hopes for extracted power?
regards
bill
Chris Cupra R
20-07-2005, 10:20
well since i got the turbo cheap my budget isnt very high too but still to complete the job ill get what it takes... & im not expecting MEGA bhp as i plan to keep my standard internals... *i think standards are good for 340bhp so i guess i will aim for 300???*
at the moment ive sourced a cheap IHI turbo...
so i need to know apart from the turbo what else i need to fit it like adapter plate.. do i keep the standard manifold???...
im going for revo stage 2 in a week or so... that will give me
****ALLREADY FITTED*** Forge 007p
4bar FPR
Miltek Exhaust with sports CAT
then i need a
Dynatwist Induction Kit
whats ur thourght bill shall i back out??? and just stick with revo stage 2 or shall i give it a go as this turbo is too cheap to miss out...
cheers mate
bill will know best having done it
but there would be little point in getting the ihi turbo and then not having the ancillaries to back it up
manifold / downpipe (jabbas own which is about £500 i think) mapping, injectors, fuel pump, and the fitting which would include fabrication of oil lines etc.
Chris Cupra R
20-07-2005, 11:27
manifold / downpipe ..?? so the miltek system and sports cat will be all wrong? shall i ask A&M ?
mapping REVO is sorting me out with stage 3
injectors... which ones green tops???
fuel pump.... which one
fitting i recon me and a mate could do it.. as hes done 1 before but on a corrado.... ill ask him about the oil lines... r these the ones that run to the turbo?
thanks for your help soo far now i am being more aware of the cost and time.. it will take...
ohh for the turbo intake pipe obviusly i can't use the sandard K03s one LOL which one can i get
will this be ok??
http://www.forgemotorsport.co.uk/images/products/FMTB1007.jpg
ibizacupra
20-07-2005, 12:25
stage 3 with REVO? on ibiza?
is there such a thing.. not even stage 2?
whose fitting all of this?
urrmm,
manifold,turbo,downpipe,oil lines,coolant lines,boost pipes,injectors,decent fpr(not 4 bar)fuel pump.Intake pipe or fabrication of(samco would not work on mine ).Turbo support bracket and discharge module(on exhaust housing).Then there's fitting,mapping.You will need a decent intercooler,loads of other stuff,i have the bill in front of me.There is no cheap option.Standard manifold is crap unless ported and then it will crack.Do it right the first time.
Chris Cupra R
20-07-2005, 18:27
stage 3 with REVO? on ibiza?
is there such a thing.. not even stage 2?
whose fitting all of this?
stage 3 with REVO? on ibiza?
is there such a thing.. not even stage 2?
whose fitting all of this?
yeah stage 2 exists i am getting it done next week.. BTW i have a MK4 ibiza....
i asked simon from revo and 1st he laughed for about 30 seconds LOL me too LOL
and hes gonna find out about the code map...
one of m0rks mates has a MK4 golf IHI with revo stage 3 and well it works? humm u know best bill anyway this all is still in the thourghts process. and i have bourght the turbo and ill get all the parts togther and when im confident and know that revo can map it i will fit it all....
watch this space for one crazy MK4 ibiza cupra 180!!! :drool:
stil
You mean wilko,i believe his engine might be in a few pieces,don't know why?
Not because of the software.
Chris Cupra R
20-07-2005, 18:56
Not because of the software.
ohh my whats up wiv it LOL damm every one i speak to seams to discurrage me getting this all fitted...? hummm there can't be that many disadvantages.... really...
Not because of the software.
I thought Wilkos engine had been rebuilt by JBS and was running again.
Chris Cupra R
20-07-2005, 19:33
has anyone got ANY pics of an IHI engine bay i wanna c how much extra pipework is needed and stuff
I thought Wilkos engine had been rebuilt by JBS and was running again.
i remember him posting to bill about the car after the rebuild,dont know what happened but he said it was not suitable for a forum discission :confused:
I see, i never heard a thing to be honest. Hope he gets it sorted whatever the problem.
You wouldn't be able to tell mine had ihi if took a picture of the engine bay,it's looks standard from the top.Ibiza may be different.
Not discouraging you,just saying that it will cost £5k+,if your happy with that go for it!!
As above theres nothing so see its looks more or less stock.
You mean wilko,i believe his engine might be in a few pieces,don't know why?
It ran for nearly a day after a lot of post rebuild problems before a valve burnt out.
Inconel exhaust valve at that. I was running too much timing with dodgy fuel.
Not software related.
I thought Wilkos engine had been rebuilt by JBS and was running again.
No comment.
Again nothing to do with software.
It ran great for 20k miles after IHI, before a fatigued rod let go. It's run less than 2 weeks in 4 months since the rebuild.
Hopefully it's sorted by the end of the month.
Sorry to hear you have had problems, hope its getting sorted/already sorted.
Chris Cupra R
21-07-2005, 01:34
yeah man ... i really wanna do IHI im gonna ring up jabba and talk me through the damage!
Hope it's gets sorted soon wilko.
ibizacupra
21-07-2005, 09:37
Not because of the software.
you sure of that?
ibizacupra
21-07-2005, 09:41
It ran for nearly a day after a lot of post rebuild problems before a valve burnt out.
Inconel exhaust valve at that. I was running too much timing with dodgy fuel.
Not software related.
burnt out inconel valve my arse john. :no:
missing end off the spark plug will have had something to do with it dont ya think, considering one exhaust valve was apparently fine and one was'nt. Plug end had to go somewhere.
I still want to see the damaged valve John. (not that I supplied it)
Hmmmmmm so do you think it was a weak plug or dropped plug?
ibizacupra
21-07-2005, 11:50
Hmmmmmm so do you think it was a weak plug or dropped plug?
det plug to oblivion, meltdown, breakage etc and also Champion plugs???? .. :doh:
I would never use Champion myself.
always seems to be #3 cylinders tho. mine killed #3 when fuel pump expired way back when.
det plug to oblivion, meltdown, breakage etc and also Champion plugs???? .. :doh:
I would never use Champion myself.
always seems to be #3 cylinders tho. mine killed #3 when fuel pump expired way back when.
Any idea's why its always cylinder 3?
I've used champion oil filters before and they seem very cheap and crap with no valve in them.
I think NGK plus are the best. What plus do you use? and what heat reange?
I was thinking it was a bit odd "burnt out inconel valve" Must of been some temp to do that.
ibizacupra
21-07-2005, 14:08
Any idea's why its always cylinder 3?
I've used champion oil filters before and they seem very cheap and crap with no valve in them.
I think NGK plus are the best. What plus do you use? and what heat reange?
I was thinking it was a bit odd "burnt out inconel valve" Must of been some temp to do that.
damaged... yea.. from debris off plug... but burnt? :no: Can't see it. Want to see the actual valve tho. Piston crown would look pretty sad if melting inconel temps were reached. ally vs inconel... LOL
I use Bosch 1 heat grade colder than stock. 30K miles life.
I have some nippon denso iridiums but not fitted em yet. not had a need.
NGK, Bosch, ND are makes I would consider for my own motor.
I think the concensus on #3 is it runs hotter as a rule, be it airflow thru it, cooling around it etc... not sure. It does seem the most common cylinder to suffer failure tho.
Bill i always thought Beru were the best for VW engines. When i had my VR6 everybody said never use champion. Only two options were Bosch or Beru.
damaged... yea.. from debris off plug... but burnt? :no: Can't see it. Want to see the actual valve tho. Piston crown would look pretty sad if melting inconel temps were reached. ally vs inconel... LOL
I use Bosch 1 heat grade colder than stock. 30K miles life.
I have some nippon denso iridiums but not fitted em yet. not had a need.
NGK, Bosch, ND are makes I would consider for my own motor.
I think the concensus on #3 is it runs hotter as a rule, be it airflow thru it, cooling around it etc... not sure. It does seem the most common cylinder to suffer failure tho.
A broken plug must of cause a bit of damage maybe even damage to turbo if it was spited out.
I would out thought.
I've done 9000 miles on inconnel valves running 380ish bhp no problems. Would need very high temp to melt inconnel.
burnt out inconel valve my arse john. :no:
missing end off the spark plug will have had something to do with it dont ya think, considering one exhaust valve was apparently fine and one wasn't. Plug end had to go somewhere.
I still want to see the damaged valve John. (not that I supplied it)
The valve had not melted, and has a big chunk missing from it.
The guy who took the head off (and bill knows who he is) said it's a burnt out valve, due to detonation. I have to go with his experience on this one. Yes the other valve looked OK, but components are never identical, and one (the weakest) will always fail first.
The ceramic coating on the piston crown is damaged visibly from det. The piece of spark plug that was missing was some of the ceramic, and was less than 3mm long, and could not have come off as a single piece, and would most likely have vaporised.
The software was actually running a very conservative timing map, but with my use of millers and water injection, I'd been playing with lemiwinks to advance timing, and using the knock sensors to look out for any trouble. The knock sensors showed nothing, so I kept going. Don't rely on them!
The piece of valve thats missing is much more likely to have damaged the turbo than the ceramic from the plug. I have my fingers crossed that neither did.
And no Bill you didn't supply them, as I got them significantly cheaper in the US. :whistle:
And whether the plug end was cause or effect is open to speculation.
This does not mean that there is any problem with the valves. It Just means that engines don't like detonation.
Until you ran into probs John how did you feel the cars was performing or did you not get this far down the line.
Before it threw a rod, it was balistic. It's never been right since it was rebuilt, as there's been a long list of problems. The day the plug/valve went, the major problems were solved, and it was finaly back on song, with the suposedly rubish, newly fitted, champion platinums. 50 miles of smiles that day and then Oh Feck.
Sorry to hear that john, only yesterday i was gonna post where the f*cks wilko!! :) Is it back @ jbs' now then?
ibizacupra
21-07-2005, 17:28
The valve had not melted, and has a big chunk missing from it.
The guy who took the head off (and bill knows who he is) said it's a burnt out valve, due to detonation. I have to go with his experience on this one. Yes the other valve looked OK, but components are never identical, and one (the weakest) will always fail first.
The ceramic coating on the piston crown is damaged visibly from det. The piece of spark plug that was missing was some of the ceramic, and was less than 3mm long, and could not have come off as a single piece, and would most likely have vaporised.
The software was actually running a very conservative timing map, but with my use of millers and water injection, I'd been playing with lemiwinks to advance timing, and using the knock sensors to look out for any trouble. The knock sensors showed nothing, so I kept going. Don't rely on them!
The piece of valve thats missing is much more likely to have damaged the turbo than the ceramic from the plug. I have my fingers crossed that neither did.
And no Bill you didn't supply them, as I got them significantly cheaper in the US. :whistle:
And whether the plug end was cause or effect is open to speculation.
This does not mean that there is any problem with the valves. It Just means that engines don't like detonation.
Show me the valve John... I dont think its det that damaged the valve, beyond det killed the plug which shed its ceramic which twatted the valve, and perhaps turbine too :(
I have spoken to Vince myself John
Conservative timing map and burnt INCONEL exhaust valve? c'mon who you trying to kid ? not a chance. Plug ceramic debris, chuncked valve, exhaust gases escape and it looks burnt now.
You are trying to blame inconel exhaust valves now LOL, where your motor fecked up running unsuitable Lemmiwinks & SPS settings, off the scale boost etc, too much advance... etc
Remind me why I bothered to help you get replacement valves in a hurry again John????
dont bother asking me again. :thumbd:
Sorry to hear that wilko,what is the plan to get back on the road,new valves and pistons?
Maybe there's a lesson to everyone to leave the tuning to the professonals with widebands and experience.
Show me the valve John... I dont think its det that damaged the valve, beyond det killed the plug which shed its ceramic which twatted the valve, and perhaps turbine too :(
I have spoken to Vince myself John
Conservative timing map and burnt INCONEL exhaust valve? c'mon who you trying to kid ? not a chance. Plug ceramic debris, chuncked valve, exhaust gases escape and it looks burnt now.
You are trying to blame inconel exhaust valves now LOL, where your motor fecked up running unsuitable Lemmiwinks & SPS settings, off the scale boost etc, too much advance... etc
Remind me why I bothered to help you get replacement valves in a hurry again John????
dont bother asking me again. :thumbd:
Bill if you read the last paragraph of my last post, I said the valves are not to blame, and that me over advancing my timing caused det, which took out the plug/valve. I thought I made it clear that it was my own fault. The timing map from Revo was conservative, it was me advancing the whole map with lemmi winks that got me into trouble. Ryan certainly understood that from my post.
And anyway you supplied me with replacements, because you are a distributer for the product, and I'd hope you made a profit from it.
Don't be so bloomin touchy.
ibizacupra
21-07-2005, 18:55
Bill if you read the last paragraph of my last post, I said the valves are not to blame, and that me over advancing my timing caused det, which took out the plug/valve. I thought I made it clear that it was my own fault. The timing map from Revo was conservative, it was me advancing the whole map with lemmi winks that got me into trouble. Ryan certainly understood that from my post.
And anyway you supplied me with replacements, because you are a distributer for the product, and I'd hope you made a profit from it.
Don't be so bloomin touchy.
this post reads clearer
you have the valve or does vince?
as I said previously I would like to see it
I don't know if vince has the head back yet. When I get it back, I'll hang on to the valve.
For reference for others though, inconel is used for it's high strength at elevated temperature. It melts however at similar temperatures to steel. The exhaust valves are the hottest running component in our engines. I'm not implying anything by this statement, just correcting some misconceptions. Standard valves would give way long before inconel ones. Detonation produces massive forces than can pretty much destroy, plugs, piston, rods, head, and valves. I got off lightly.
ibizacupra
21-07-2005, 23:52
Head damaged too?
I don't know if vince has the head back yet. When I get it back, I'll hang on to the valve.
For reference for others though, inconel is used for it's high strength at elevated temperature. It melts however at similar temperatures to steel. The exhaust valves are the hottest running component in our engines. I'm not implying anything by this statement, just correcting some misconceptions. Standard valves would give way long before inconel ones. Detonation produces massive forces than can pretty much destroy, plugs, piston, rods, head, and valves. I got off lightly.
hi mate , where abouts in the states did you get your valves from if you dont mine me askin? as i'm lookin for a set
cheers
Talk to Bill
His prices are much more reasonable now.
ibizacupra
24-07-2005, 09:58
hi mate , where abouts in the states did you get your valves from if you dont mine me askin? as i'm lookin for a set
cheers
£375inc vat for set, which includes inconel exhaust valves. (stainless ones also available to order)
£375inc vat for set, which includes inconel exhaust valves. (stainless ones also available to order)
Thats a good price take it that a set of 20?
ibizacupra
24-07-2005, 11:27
Thats a good price take it that a set of 20?
yes an engine set 12xinlet 8xexhaust