View Full Version : Is this Tolly a good purchase?
Ooh I never thought I would venture into the Toledo forum!! :p
My boyfriend is going to go and take a look at this tomorrow: 2.3 V5 Toledo for sale (http://sis.virtual-showroom.co.uk/(or1h3le0cmogyr55xvzppc55)/templates/stocklistA/stockItem.aspx?clientCode=8162&mode=search&stockID=8162|5277&marque=Seat) (now I have convinced him that Seats are good cars!) and I would really appreciate your expert opinions on whether or not it looks like a good buy. I don't know anything about these - I didn't even know Toledos came with such big engines! :redface: Is there anything in particular to keep an eye out for?
Thank you for your help :)
Amy
nice car the toledo (i would say that)
but what about spending another £500 - £1000 and getting the uber tuneable 1.8T?
Why does a 1.8 cost more than a 2.3?????:confused:
Dormouse
29-07-2005, 11:20
Sauls right.
more tunable.
Also better economy when not ragging it. 2.3 is a bit 'poor' :(
V5 sounds nice though....
Dor.
P.S. V5 are cheap....but i suspect petrol costs....
And the 1.8T has more power to start with as well.
I used to see that car around my way regularly. Quite a reputable garage I think.
nice car the toledo (i would say that)
but what about spending another £500 - £1000 and getting the uber tuneable 1.8T?
Erm, havent got an extra £500-£1000 :(
Hello everyone by the way!! :thumbup:
Erm, havent got an extra £500-£1000 :(
Hello everyone by the way!! :thumbup:
What you doing in here, Mr Rover Driver?! :bleh:
For that money you can find an early Leon Cupra. The mileage might be higher, but the engine is a good one.
What you doing in here, Mr Rover Driver?! :bleh:
Jesus don't tell everyone Amy :redface:
Its ahem a pre production Rover SD1 3500 obviously
not a 214 nanmobile or anything, honest :whistle:
Dormouse
29-07-2005, 12:02
Jesus don't tell everyone Amy :redface:
Its ahem a pre production Rover SD1 3500 obviously
not a 214 nanmobile or anything, honest :whistle:
A Frank Williams Special.....:(
Dor.
Dormouse
29-07-2005, 12:03
And the 1.8T has more power to start with as well.
Not as smooth as the V5 though.
Dor.
Dormouse
29-07-2005, 12:04
Jesus don't tell everyone Amy :redface:
Its ahem a pre production Rover SD1 3500 obviously
not a 214 nanmobile or anything, honest :whistle:
Just realised.
Given what your currently driving the v5 will be 'more economical' ironic :-o
Dor.
A Frank Williams Special.....:(
Dor.
Frank Williams wheelchair has probably got more "go" than my Rover :thumbd: I got overtaken by Steven Hawking the other day...
Erm, havent got an extra £500-£1000 :(
Hello everyone by the way!! :thumbup:
thats a good an answer as any i suppose :)
If the budget is right & car drives well - I would consider it very carefully.. Anyone got any comments of what they should be on the look out for??
History of car is important.... But I would guess if its been serviced at all the correct places then that shouldnt be a worry...
Buy & enjoy if all is right for YOU...
BTW nice colour... Would the insurance be effected for you with those alloys on? (non standard against the Toledo..) Hence they would have to be told..
Dormouse
30-07-2005, 02:36
Frank Williams wheelchair has probably got more "go" than my Rover :thumbd: I got overtaken by Steven Hawking the other day...
Just as long as you don't simulate his Rover3500esque racing incident...
Dor.
toledoChris
30-07-2005, 09:48
Just a thought but it went between 17k and 33k without a service (the advert is stupid enough to state that!). Probably means that it got a service after 12 months rather than 10k, not a great sign thats all.
IMO the wheels look awful aswell and im not sure what other mods there are on the car as the rear callipers are red. There are plenty of standard ones around so they mat be a better bet.
SJFISHER67
30-07-2005, 11:05
Nice motor! - Wish I still had mine!
If you haven't read it already it may be worth having a look at this thread:
http://www.seatcupra.net/forums/showthread.php?t=61961
The car you're looking at is the same colour as mine - as others have said the alloys may make a little difference and should be declared (may give a clue as to how the previous owner drove it as well?). The spoiler wasn't original either but shouldn't add to insurance. A chrome centre grill only might finish it off.
Mine had a similar service gap and it's probably OK as the engines themselves are very robust. Mines not had any problems but search the threads for MAF problems etc. Only thing is, of course people often talk about problems they are having with their motors on forums like this and it's easy to think the V5 is always going wrong, but it isn't. Parkers guide gives it a very good write up. The most you are likely to really be able to improve on in terms of engine performance with the V5 is with a remap for a 15-20 bhp gain. I recently remapped my 10v and don't regret it.
At the end of the day you get an awful lot of equipment in the V5 for relatively little money in the price range you are looking at, and I think it's hard to find better. Just be aware of limited rear leg room. However, if there is any hint of anything wrong with this one walk away - you'll find equally good deals or better on autotrader. Don't be lured by the alloys (personally not totally convinced they look right without other mods anyway).
Hi,
Toledo v5....a load of tosh and I would stay well away. Whether it be in a Toledo, Golf, Bora etc the v5 is riddled with problems and not worth it.
I speak from my experience and have heard nothing but problems associated with this engine.
Get a 1.8T...a super motor that will prove reliable for many many years, quick enough, smooth and even economical if driven sensibly.
Andy
Oh well I've bought it now so be it on my head it if it goes bang. Or the wheels fall off. Im off to Halfrauds to get some black caliper paint (if they sell it) to cover up those fake Brembos...
Dor, I didn't really have a 3500, I was covering up the fact that I did indeed drive a lovely 5 door 214. With plastic wood and everything. And a knackered head gasket (dollops of Hellmans in the header tank)
Still managed to get £800 out of him for it though, even with the head gasket, and some minging rusty scabs round the windscreen
Hi,
Toledo v5....a load of tosh and I would stay well away. Whether it be in a Toledo, Golf, Bora etc the v5 is riddled with problems and not worth it.
I speak from my experience and have heard nothing but problems associated with this engine.
Get a 1.8T...a super motor that will prove reliable for many many years, quick enough, smooth and even economical if driven sensibly.
Andy
What riddled problems would they be then ?
Iv'e had 2 V5's and apart from the usual SEAT common stuff, MAF, coilpacks (only on the 20V), radiator cooling fan fuse, I can't fault the V5 for reliability.
Speaking from experience, it's a tough chain driven lump. My 20V is about to hit 90K miles and it's quicker and smoother than ever. Sure 90% of my driving is motorway, but at a steady 90mph the V5 returns an effortless 35mpg.
Not in any way saying that the V5 is better than a 1.8T, both have their merits and yes tuning potential of the V5 is very limited, but the V5 is certainly not a shyte motor !
Hi,
The v5 compared to the 1.8T lump is pretty grim mate and I "think" a lot here will vouch for that, if they don't then so be it, I certainly stand by what I think.
I did not mean to offend anyone with the v5 lump and "don't" mean to offend. I can fully appreciate that my opening comment in the last thread was a tad OTT, therefore I apologize to any I may have offended.
Andy
No worries.
Iv'e owned both V5's and 1.8T's so no offence here. Yes, they are very different beasts, but I think they are both good engines.
The bottom line I guess is in what you want from your drive.
If I only had 30min commute on country roads then I buy a Lotus Elise :D
No worries.
Iv'e owned both V5's and 1.8T's so no offence here. Yes, they are very different beasts, but I think they are both good engines.
The bottom line I guess is in what you want from your drive.
If I only had 30min commute on country roads then I buy a Lotus Elise :D
:cheers:
Andy
So, thats four SEATCupra.net members now on Staples2Naples! (although rob isnt taking the Toledo :) )
So, thats four SEATCupra.net members now on Staples2Naples! (although rob isnt taking the Toledo :) )
Yep, another veteran back for a blast on S2N! :drive1: Although it's fair to say that I won't be taking my new car! (although i'd love to hear that exhaust note when I'm pelting through one of those tunnels.... phwooaarr...)
No this year I are mainly be smashing up an old Camry. With an automatic gearbox... :gay:
I had to follow Andy's Toledo on last years S2N for a fair few miles, and suffice to say i'm still addicted to burnt oil smoke... I'm surprised i've gone anywhere near a Seat after that experience!
hee hee, it was pumping it out at the end of the rally.
I used to have a V5 toledo (the 170 version). It sounds nice but it does guzzle fuel. Having said that you do get a lotta kit for your money, the car is fully loaded and very comfy. Now that I have the 1.8T version (in a Leon) its obviously different style, kind of drive but with the turbo I find it sounds like you are going a lot faster than you actuallyt are. In my old V5 I'd be upto 90+ without even realsing..its the ultimate car for long motorway drives, not short journeys.
BTW couldnt see that ad. you put up -is the car gone?
My old Toledo which I P/ex is still for Sale at a Seat dealer:-
http://stock.autorespond.co.uk/premierseat.aspx?sItem=1&sType=Car&sCarID=806750&sPageNo=7&sPageMax=10&sFormat=Vehicle
edit.
Just to add my 20V V5 (170) when I had it was fine apart from coilpacks packing up, and the radiator cooling fan fuse.
SHADY-NINJA
08-08-2005, 15:49
if you can stretch your budget get the Toledo 1.8 20v turbo. its worth every penny.
the v5 20v is also highly recommended and more refined
Torques_Dirty
16-08-2005, 11:28
Good-
It has huge amounts torque making it a great motorway car. 50 to 100mph in sixth is around 1500-2500 rpm which is where around 240f/lbs of torque is generated. This flexibility makes M-Way driving quite an easy task.
Average fuel consumption on a clear motorway is about 45mpg (55-60 if you stay within the speed limit!).
It is great around town 2nd and 3rd gear performance is quite brutal and is great for nipping into gaps and racing past traffic from two lane traffic lights. Town driving can return between 30 and 40 mpg even with quite spirited driving.
Nice clear open A-Roads are a blast - Especially nice cold clear evenings when the air is extra dense.
The turbo sound is quite loud and sounds impressive. When on the move it masks the gruff noise of the engine.
The PD diesel engines can be tuned easily and can produce some great results for little expenditure. Most standard chips will take the 150 unit to around 180-190bhp without any hassle. The torque goes up to near 300f/lbs - More than a BMW 540i!
Diesel SEATs tend to hold there value better than petrol models.
Bad-
It's a diesel. The fuel stinks and without fail the pump handle at the filling station will be coated in it.
It has a fairly large turbo - hence turbo lag in first and second especially when the engine is cold.
It is noisy at idle - However 1.8T engines sound a bit diesel like at idle!
It has a bit of a traction problem in the wet - With as much torque as a Boxster S going through the front wheels this is not surprising. However the ESP system and electronic LSD help bend the laws of physics.
Very hot days can seriously effect the performance as in my option the intercooler is not big enough. A FMIC would prevent this problem but is quite expensive.
People think you’re a minicab at night - Mine will probably end up as one towards the end of its life anyway!
It is noisy at idle - However 1.8T engines sound a bit diesel like at idle!
Hi,
Is that so?
Mine sounds nothing even marginally close to that of a diesel.
Andy