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Of the options above, which would you go for?
Scotty_b
25-08-2005, 13:40
The sound of the V6 and the grip of the 4x4!
poll looks like a bit biased :) mind you it only reflects what everyone has been saying for 4 years
i voted V6 and 4x4 as i love V engines but looking ahead at mods/tuning i think i would buy (if i could) the 2.0T to be honest as it would certainly yield a better result in the long run
can i have a 2.0T 240bhp - in REAR wheel drive instead ? :drool: (orange too if poss)
next poll comes the price ;)
charlietruman
25-08-2005, 13:42
Of the options above, which would you go for?
after driving my collegues 3.2 TT quattro and then jumping straight into my car i must admit, i love the turbo feel of the cupra but the 4wd option has so many more benefits with regards to cornering, damp/wet conditions and general accelleration traction. a different driving experience altogether. where my car would be skipping about, the 4WD would be well away.
dalepearson
25-08-2005, 13:51
Just to be different :)
I think you could tune the 2.0l more :)
I would go for the 2.0 personally as I begrudge putting petrol in at the minute.
3.2 litre would benefit from the 4 wheel drive but would be a thirsty old bus...
GAmbrose
25-08-2005, 14:15
Though it would undoubtedly be excellent, I couldn't afford the company car tax of a 3.2 V6 (35%)
Gary A
warren_cox
25-08-2005, 14:24
Begrudgingly voted 2wd 2.0T, but a close call.
Would love a V6 but the current 3.2 V6 seems expensive to tune to silly levels (did you see AmD's R32 Stage 3 project car). Its fuel hungry, heavier, taxed high and should have been an R36 not an R32 as many VW dealers were speculating last year.
Maybe the 2.0T will be the first Leon with a stock turbo to see 300 real BHP (after a fair bit of modding - granted)! Maybe they'll make a whoosy DV for the Mk2 Leon Cupra?!?!? :hide:
OK, back to sense. So there are FWD limitations but at the end of the day the Golf GTi Mk5 has proved its good for 200bhp so hopefully Leon Mk2 Cupra will cope a bit better than the Leon Mk1 when its carrying the power of mods.
SEAT have a prototype Altea with a 2.0T, 4WD running 200bhp, according to a recent article from them. No word if this is due to become a production model or not, but its Frankfurt motorshow very soon, so you never know ;)
oi z
I was setting this up to be a you can't have your cake & eat it :)
I'd think more people would choose the tuneable 2.0T - because I can't think of many people on the forum with turbo's that aren't chipped.
Sorry i had my news-hound hat on. :cartman:
.....................I'd think more people would choose the tuneable 2.0T - because I can't think of many people on the forum with turbo's that aren't chipped.
If you'd listed a 2.0T 4WD, I'd have ticked that. It's the lure of 4wd..........
purely for the 4x4 then i get it twin turbo,d lol... ;)
I voted 2wd 2.0T, but i would prefer the 2.0T with 4wd. N/A is a waste of time now i reckon unless it a Bmw/ Ferrari etc. Although a high powered r32 (supercharged after market) would be nice but lots of £'s.
GAmbrose
25-08-2005, 15:27
I dunno, I used to think that Turbo cars were THE obvious choice.
However since then I regularly drive a 350Z Roadster which sounds glorious when you downshift and blip the throttle :D
Gary A
From what I’ve read it’s wouldn’t surprise me if in a few years time most engines have a turbo bolted to them. This seems to be a way for car manufactures to be able to lower emissions. Peugeot are bringing out a 1.6 turbo for their small cars and that’s also what BMW are putting in the next Mini, Copper and S. So it wouldn’t surprise me if we get a twin turbo V6 VW, Seat, Audi or Skoda in the future.
PS I voted V6 4x4. It was the draw of the extra traction.
What about the new Golf GT, Supercharged ad Turbocharged .
168Bhp off a 1.4 that I think will be an interesting motor.
GAmbrose
25-08-2005, 16:02
Autoexpress said they could get 240Bhp out of the 2.0 FSI engine with that combo aswell.
Could that be the future Cupra engine?
Gary A
It would be interesting to see.
The scream of a supercharger without a lagging turbo.
I am getting excited just thinking about it...
2.0 - fuel is expensive enough without a V6 - although it would sound nice. :yes:
Scott
I voted V6 but mainly for the 4x4 and sound, no doubt once moving it would be slower comparatively speaking. Surely SEAT must realise that most (i.e cupra/R/FR) owners really want a 4x4 turbo I cant see why they dont develop one instead of making a heavy V6'd car even heavier.
However isn't the new hairdresser special, sorry TT coming soon with the 2.0T and 4x4 in it? If so the running gear, chasis etc are going to be the same are they not?
I think the 'most people want' and 'most people will buy' options may be different
plus it moves the car from 'fast hatchback' to 'rally wannabee' i all the markets tosh & mag tests
so instead of being pitched against Megane 225's - it's against Evo's & Subaru's and looses
It may run this new fangled 2.0SuperT - but the 4WD would be 'handy' especially if the bad press about the Vx 'deathwagon' isn't good.
Like I said - I didn't add the option of a tubby 4wd, as everyone would tick that box :)
True I suppose, but then SEAT could move the super hatch niche on by being the first to create a semi perminant 4x4 turbo. Fw drive turbo'd hot hatches will peak soonish I would say as the power limits for fwd will be reached. The VXR is case in point as you say, "lotus tuned suspension blah blah" but is all over the shop.
Go on SEAT do it!
After driving that A3 3.2 Quattro (and it is proper quattro not haldex) I would say a 2.0T 2wd.
The 3.2 did make it front heavy, it's thristy and I honestly think 4wd doesn't make a practical amount of difference compared to the weight it adds and the loss of the boot floor and the extra cost, especially compared to ESP and TCS.
Edit: It DID sound nice though.
A couple of people have said "what about a 2.0T Quattro". Well what about a 3.2T Quattro ;)
anyone actaully believe SEAT will make a uk spec 4wd?cost V's customers
Ruddmeister
25-08-2005, 18:44
anyone actaully believe SEAT will make a uk spec 4wd?cost V's customers
Nope :no:
After driving that A3 3.2 Quattro (and it is proper quattro not haldex)
I thought that the new A3 still uses the haldex system :confused:
anyone actaully believe SEAT will make a uk spec 4wd?cost V's customers
It’s more down to right hand drive production. Apart from us what other RHD markets does Seat sell into? VW and Audi sell their cars all round the world so there’s a market for them.
It’s more down to right hand drive production. Apart from us what other RHD markets does Seat sell into? VW and Audi sell their cars all round the world so there’s a market for them.
aaahhhh ,so thats why we haven't had one yet :clap: :clap: :p
aaahhhh ,so thats why we haven't had one yet :clap: :clap: :p
I thought I’d state the obvious for others.
Cheeky git. :bleh:
wild willy
25-08-2005, 20:05
I read before that the new 2.0T motor has a K03 turbo, is this true. If so when will it have the K04-23 turbo. Surely this would tune to 300bhp or would the different compression ratio's prevent this.
VW and Audi sell their cars all round the world so there’s a market for them.
yet the UK has the biggest market sale share of the Audi TT
not gonna say what area ;) may start a flame war but its close between 2
mr_claypole
25-08-2005, 21:06
i'd want a 4x4 2.0t. tuning potential would be great. and they'd sell shed loads of them.
it wouldbe very doubtful that they'd do it, as it would encroach heavily on audi and vw products.. possibly even halo the brand, which i'm sure they dont really want to do... (this they want to leave for audi/vw)
J
GAmbrose
26-08-2005, 00:10
It may run this new fangled 2.0SuperT - but the 4WD would be 'handy' especially if the bad press about the Vx 'deathwagon' isn't good.
The what? The Astra VXR you mean?
Gary A
cpufreak
26-08-2005, 01:32
I read before that the new 2.0T motor has a K03 turbo, is this true. If so when will it have the K04-23 turbo. Surely this would tune to 300bhp or would the different compression ratio's prevent this.
Its not a very similar k03 to the k03/k03s on 1.8Ts...
Riddick_m3
26-08-2005, 07:22
would the 2 wheel drive be front or rear drive as this would make all the difference :) you can only do so much with front wheel drive unfortunatly, so 4 wheel drive gets my vote unless its a rear wheel drive version!
It'll be a fwd 2.0 t. Any 3.2 v6 or 4x4 addition will bump the prce up to over 20k and that is not where the leon is pitched. Running costs would then come into the equation and I'd end up buying an altea 2.0t if the whispers are correct.
Cupramax
26-08-2005, 11:37
After driving that A3 3.2 Quattro (and it is proper quattro not haldex) I would say a 2.0T 2wd.
No it isn't, its Haldex 2 on all new shape A3's. I went for 2.0T, after driving an A3 3.2 it felt very front heavy. Not nice to fling around at all. Will know what it feels like with 250hp next week once its been fettled ;)
The sound of the 3.2 is luring as well is the 4wd. But this really would not be enough for me to buy one. Been in a 3.2 TT it sounded awesome and it's traction off the line especially with the launch control was fantastic but then i got in a leon cupra and it was just more exciting if that makes sence!! The throttle went down and it just sounded like all hell was breaking loose and it was rocketing wheather or not it was faster it was more fun. The V6 at teh front on the TT just felt really heavy and not very confidence inspiring in the bends!!
dontnoanything
26-08-2005, 19:32
im going to vote 20t as i have to work on the bloody things. but why does the skoda octavia have a 4x4 in this country and seat dont. we read about the 4x4 seats in the workshop manuals and thats as far as it gets
20VT wasn't an option though - I think that lump is pretty much dropped from new models