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ibizacupra
23-06-2002, 17:45
Well I have my new Brembo's on and am very happy with the increased braking performance. Superb! Definately should have come from the factory like this. A real advantage the Ibiza-R's have. Forget this pad, that disk, making do with 280's.......... These are the daddies.
Stop on a pin. Stands on its nose. (and I have'nt been trying yet! as I am bedding them in!)
Some pictures to look over:-
Soon to be available as a kit from Badger5 and Autotechnic, with fitting service available from Autotechnic.
Some pictures then.>>>
http://www.badger5.demon.co.uk/bin/brembo-caliper-1.jpg
http://www.badger5.demon.co.uk/bin/brembo-caliper-2.jpg
http://www.badger5.demon.co.uk/bin/brembo-caliper-3.jpg
http://www.badger5.demon.co.uk/bin/brembo-caliper-4.jpg
http://www.badger5.demon.co.uk/bin/brembo-caliper-hydraulics.jpg
http://www.badger5.demon.co.uk/bin/brembo-flexi.jpg
http://www.badger5.demon.co.uk/bin/brembo-wheel-2.jpg
http://www.badger5.demon.co.uk/bin/brembo-wheel-car.jpg
http://www.badger5.demon.co.uk/bin/brembo-wheel.jpg
http://www.badger5.demon.co.uk/bin/car-brembos.jpg
http://www.badger5.demon.co.uk/bin/brembo-brake-line.jpg
Some adjustments were required to make the parts fit OK.
1, You have to remove the backplate
2. You have to shorten the caliper brake to stub axle bolts
Some bad news.....
Factory 6x16 wheels are not compatible with them :(
I Have 7x16's ET38 (Speedlines) and these only just cleared the calipers by 0.75mm which is'nt enough to allow for wheel flex and expansion of the parts when hot. I am running a +5mm spacer on the fronts at the moment as a temporary measure, whilst I get some 2mm ones machined up.
The factory 6x16 wheel looks to need either a 20+mm spacer to accomodate the caliper. (approx)
But do they stop or what ! :)
regards
Bill
glad u like em bill :)
just gotta get hoses sorted 4 mine and then im up and running aswell. if there as good as you say i can't wait :D :D
well done that man,and they look like them things hanging between a great danes rear end.any prices bill ,i have a feeling they will be popular if the parts are available,
just a thought,would the calipers go on a 280mm disc?bound to increase stopping power with out the closeness,just a thought:D
ibizacupra
23-06-2002, 18:18
Originally posted by roly
glad u like em bill :)
just gotta get hoses sorted 4 mine and then im up and running aswell. if there as good as you say i can't wait :D :D
Cheers Ben. You're a star mate! :D
I'll email ya more info as I get it.
regards
Bill
ibizacupra
23-06-2002, 18:25
Originally posted by jason
well done that man,and they look like them things hanging between a great danes rear end.any prices bill ,i have a feeling they will be popular if the parts are available,
just a thought,would the calipers go on a 280mm disc?bound to increase stopping power with out the closeness,just a thought:D
Yes. With a special mounting bracket, this should also be possible. This is my plan to look at for the Jetta as I need to run 15" rims on that one.
Stopping power is suberb!
My 280's when removed of the Ibiza fell apart completely. Pads fell of their back plates. This is the 2nd set to have done this on this car.
My opinion is the brakes are overworked on a relatively heavy car, and cannot have enough cooling to the disks as the pads are being murdered by heavy use (track days), breaking down the pad material binder. They might stop, but in extreme use, they simply are having to do too much work. In my Jetta, the same combination works like a treat. No problems at all.
4 pot stoping is superb. Much firmer than singles for sure.
regards
Bill
Shock_Xe
23-06-2002, 21:48
What was the total cost after??? (custom pipes n stuff u needed wasn't it) are you going to sell these??? as a set or sell stuff that seat wants bucks 4 i.e. hoses etc??? as people like me are lazy and dont wanna go looking around..... just want a bolt on kit delivered to the door
cheers
so many things i want to do and so little cash flow.improve the gearing uprated supsension/arb's,and stick to 1.8 16v .as has been said b4 better to be able to stop and corner is as goosd as just big power,but nice to do them all:D
btw whats the cost of the brembo's?can get spacer machined from an old friend with a cnc machine:cheers:
They look pukka, Bill. Can you post some measurements - width of calliper and distance from wheel mounting face on disc to the outer edge of the calliper at its widest point?
I'm running stock 20VT rims at the moment but want to move to 17x7 or 7/7.5x16s.
I'll be buying with Brembo fitment in mind but if push comes to shove I'll go for the OZ Super Ts on the R even though I hate them. I'd rather have sh*t wheels and good brakes!
ibizacupra
24-06-2002, 08:33
Originally posted by Glenn
They look pukka, Bill. Can you post some measurements - width of calliper and distance from wheel mounting face on disc to the outer edge of the calliper at its widest point?
I'm running stock 20VT rims at the moment but want to move to 17x7 or 7/7.5x16s.
I'll be buying with Brembo fitment in mind but if push comes to shove I'll go for the OZ Super Ts on the R even though I hate them. I'd rather have sh*t wheels and good brakes!
I'll whip off the wheel tonight and do these measurements. It needs to be done so peeps can guage whether their wheels have suitable clearance or not.
I'll post results here when done.
regards
Bill
Stupid question bill will these fit on to a 1.4s 2001 mk3 the same shape as your Cupra?:confused:
I'm guesing that they both have simmilar fitments?
I'm taking it that when you say they won't fit Cupra wheels you mean the 5 spoke 20vt wheels??
:confused:
Sorry to be a pain:D
You'd need new hubs first mate - the 1.4 has a built in pad carrier :frown:
M
Originally posted by MarkP
You'd need new hubs first mate - the 1.4 has a built in pad carrier :frown:
M
Stu strokes his 16v gti hubs:D :D
that's what I need (but smaller) for the Polo
Well done that man, nice one Bill i look forward to the kit
:car:
Anyone no the price on a set of hubs then:frown:
Or is it cheaper just to pay the insurance and buy a Cupra 20vt theres a nice one in the garage down the road £11,995 6months old with 5600 mile i'm very tempted;)
Bill post over on club GTI when you get them on the Jetta, think you'll have a load of takers there. (including me!)
Hi Bill
Certainly looks good, nice one. One comment - why not just use a braided hose all the way to the caliper with a grommet to hold it at the strut where you currently have the solid pipe / flex pipe connection ? This is what I have with my Wilwoods. I'm sure its fine but just wondering.
Seems the calipers are pretty big then - as you know I have Wilwood superlights (+ 308mm disk) and these go on no problem at all, with some spare, with a 7x16 compomotive MO with ET35. Are actually trying a 7 x 15 ET35 MO tomorrow night.
Also seems that you have a bit of wheel rub on the inside edge there on full lock fella !
What will be the pad availability ? are these calipers specific for the cupra R ?
Cheers
Rob
Short runs of braided are preferable- as it is expensive & heavy, but also when you press the pedal, the hoses, move a bit due to the incressed pressure, and give a slightly more spongey feel, solid pipe avoids this. good to put a couple of loops in the solid pipe though, to help it give when the strut/ hubs distort under high loads.
Excellent Bill.
Any idea on prices (For your kit and for Autotechnics fitting)? And when the kits will be available?
Just to throw one little spanner in the works... I guess your spare wheel will no longer fit, which I believe is technically illegal and an MOT failure. :( The cheapest solution to this would be to carry a foam injection puncture repair kit as these are an acceptable alternative to a spare wheel (I believe the new mini has this.).
I wonder if Autotechnics will do a discount if I get my Quaife ATB Diff at the same time. :)
Cheers
Ben
Originally posted by prof
Short runs of braided are preferable- as it is expensive & heavy, but also when you press the pedal, the hoses, move a bit due to the incressed pressure, and give a slightly more spongey feel, solid pipe avoids this. good to put a couple of loops in the solid pipe though, to help it give when the strut/ hubs distort under high loads.
IMO, braided hose is no more or less 'spongy' than copper pipe - if it was then I'm sure rally and race teams wouldnot plumb most of the car with braided stuff would they ? Also, race motorbikes use braided for all hoses and these brakes would throw the unexperienced over the bars with a one finger pull on the lever. Perhaps you would like to try my front brakes sometime to see how spongy they are (not). cannot argue with cost element though - it is spendy stuff.
Cheers
Rob
just going by what I've read, maybe bogus information
spare wheel wise, if you've got space savers then your not supposed to fit them on the front anyway, so youd have to jack the whole side up, and put your spare on the back, back wheel on front etc
Originally posted by prof
just going by what I've read, maybe bogus information
spare wheel wise, if you've got space savers then your not supposed to fit them on the front anyway, so youd have to jack the whole side up, and put your spare on the back, back wheel on front etc
Following on from earlier post - I have no spare in my car (96 iBIZA)and got MOT fine couple months back - only carry tin of inflate tire + seal foam stuff - £5 from Halfords
Didn't know you were not supposed to run a space saver on the front - good info, ta.
Cheers
Rob
just imagine what would happen with an emergency stop with 4pots etc, and a space saver on the front. "right turn clyde" That would give the ABS something to think about, if your lucky enough to have ABS that is
Ps love to try your brakes sometime Rob, and the 200+bhp
Nice one Bill. Price for full kit would be great as others have said. What pads are you using?
cordobabrendy
24-06-2002, 13:42
Originally posted by prof
just imagine what would happen with an emergency stop with 4pots etc, and a space saver on the front. "right turn clyde" That would give the ABS something to think about, if your lucky enough to have ABS that is
Ps love to try your brakes sometime Rob, and the 200+bhp
hehehe love that film!!
at brunty i had to drive back to base and then to cardiff with a 14"er supplied by markp because the spacesaver on my car made it feel dangerous so off it came and moved the steelie to the back right and put the good one onto the front right which originally had the blow out, still felt shakey at 95-100 mph when keepingg up with si and ryan!!:devil:
Shock_Xe
24-06-2002, 15:38
its not illegal to not have a spare.... but if u do have one in the car its got to be inflated and have minimum ;legal tread... its one of those loop holes that if u got one its gotta pass but u dont need one to pass!!!! Get me??
that would be why whenever I take a car to MOT it looses it's spare just in case
(would take the windscreen out too so not to worry about wipers not working if it was easy enough)
:D
Markp just got a price on hubs and bearings etc:eek:
Don't think i'm having this brake conversion:frown:
Think i need a 20vt still:)
ibizacupra
24-06-2002, 16:56
Originally posted by Miridor
Stupid question bill will these fit on to a 1.4s 2001 mk3 the same shape as your Cupra?:confused:
I'm guesing that they both have simmilar fitments?
I'm taking it that when you say they won't fit Cupra wheels you mean the 5 spoke 20vt wheels??
:confused:
Sorry to be a pain:D
They won't fit 1.4's. Hubs are different.
I have some late model hubs tho, which could be used in conjunction with the other Brembo bits.
and yes I refered to the 20VT 5 spoke rims as not fitting.
regards
Bill
ibizacupra
24-06-2002, 17:03
Originally posted by Miridor
Anyone no the price on a set of hubs then:frown:
Or is it cheaper just to pay the insurance and buy a Cupra 20vt theres a nice one in the garage down the road £11,995 6months old with 5600 mile i'm very tempted;)
I can sell you a pair of 1997 16v Ibiza Cupra hubs for £75 the pair. Also a pair of 280mm spec calipers of same car for £75 the pair, suitable for 280mm disks, which I also have a pair of (new) factory disks.
regards
Bill
2nd hand hubs are much cheaper than new. but then you get added joys of driveshaft compatibility
a better upgrade for the 1.4 would be new hubs & 280mm brakes off a 20T or 16v
M
ibizacupra
24-06-2002, 17:07
Originally posted by RobT
Hi Bill
Certainly looks good, nice one. One comment - why not just use a braided hose all the way to the caliper with a grommet to hold it at the strut where you currently have the solid pipe / flex pipe connection ? This is what I have with my Wilwoods. I'm sure its fine but just wondering.
Seems the calipers are pretty big then - as you know I have Wilwood superlights (+ 308mm disk) and these go on no problem at all, with some spare, with a 7x16 compomotive MO with ET35. Are actually trying a 7 x 15 ET35 MO tomorrow night.
Also seems that you have a bit of wheel rub on the inside edge there on full lock fella !
What will be the pad availability ? are these calipers specific for the cupra R ?
Cheers
Rob
Rub on full lock under hard cornering on track - yes
With the +5mm spacers currently fitted I think this has gone away. No grrr grrr noise when winding it on around some local roundabouts :p
Pads are Brembo ones, but I have not sourced alternatives yet, but must do. They seem so far to hold up well, but they have'nt seen any track treatment yet! Need some spares for sure. The pads are not very thick compared to the original calipers.
I don't think the calipers a R specific, and are a Brembo road caliper adapted to suit via the bracket and disk.
Availability is the key word at the moment. I have several sets on order.
regards
Bill
ibizacupra
24-06-2002, 17:08
Originally posted by MarkP
2nd hand hubs are much cheaper than new. but then you get added joys of driveshaft compatibility
a better upgrade for the 1.4 would be new hubs & 280mm brakes off a 20T or 16v
M
Got some of them available also of my latest ickle project :p
Bill
:)
first dibs?
not sure on rim size though
M
Originally posted by MarkP
that's what I need (but smaller) for the Polo
Stu tuants Mark-p with his 16v hubs :p :p
ibizacupra
24-06-2002, 19:58
Well I removed the wheel and got the old ruler and verniers out to check the caliper to hub distance.
Points measured from the front face of the Brembo caliper to the mating face on the disk hub centre (where the wheels hub bolts to)
This distance is 38mm.
To check whether your wheel has sufficient clearance you would need to check from the wheels centre hub face to the rear face of the spokes. 38mm or less and you have a clearance problem.
My suggestion is if this dimension is less than 41mm then you will likely need small spacers to push the wheel away from the caliper.
Ibiza Cupra-R wheels are 7x16 but I am not sure of the offset. My guess is ET35? as opposed ET38 of standard wheel. Any R owners out there care to confirm this?
(edit): See attached info. Cupra R wheels are as I thought ET35, and 7x16 hence the fitting being OK. Good news is many after market wheels in 16" & 17" are ET35.
http://www.badger5.demon.co.uk/bin/etka-wheels-info.jpg
Cheers
Bill
:cheers:
ibizacupra
24-06-2002, 21:28
Originally posted by jason
btw whats the cost of the brembo's?can get spacer machined from an old friend with a cnc machine:cheers:
Just had a thought about this..
Engaged my brain this time.
I think your problem will be running these with the thickness disk on 280's as they are only 22mm vs 28mm of the Brembo's.
This will leave a large gap for pistons/pads to fill, and I don't think they will have sufficient length to make up for the extra gap (3mm/side) and allow for pad wear.
Just screwed my plan on the Jetta also.. Need to see what options there might be, but it would seem a no at the moment.
regards
Bill
ibizacupra
24-06-2002, 22:16
Prices as requested:
Bottom line Cheapest version is £427.56 for parts only DIY fitment assuming calipers come with pads. (they have so far)
You will not find a cheaper 4-pot braking system available anywhere for these prices, let alone Brembo's !!!!!
Badger5 Ltd - Brembo Kit for Ibiza Cupra 20VT
inc vat
Left Caliper £101.05
Right Caliper £101.05
Retaining Clamp (Carrier) £25.71
Allen Key Bolt-M12x1.5x67 £21.15
Brake Disk-305x28-4/100 £98.70
Brake Pads £55.23 ***
Brake Hose-Solid £37.60
Brake hose Flexi £42.30
Fitting @ 3hours £141.00
£623.78 fitted @ Autotechnik
£568.56 fitted less pads *** @ Autotechnik
£482.78 Kit Only
£427.56 Kit only Excluding Pads ***
(Subject to availability, prices subject to change without notice)
(*** = pads included/excluded depending on supply)
regards
Bill
cordobabrendy
25-06-2002, 00:54
jesus bill, i'll have a set as soon as the pesky police give me my ransom money!!:devil:
seriously tho, i have a mate that would fit them for a tenner!!!! that would have to be cheaper than even getting a new set of 16v jobbies!!! good work bloke!! soon as i scrape the readies together....
ibizacupra
25-06-2002, 08:06
Lets all pray to the parts gods that they become mor reliably available.
fingers crossed everyone.
For those interested I will be operating a first come first served list as demand will be outstripping supply. (at these prices its no wonder :D)
regards
Bill
Any idea whether the 302mm (ish) ibiza 4 stud discs and brembos would fit under 15"s? (thinking mk2 golf)
ibizacupra
25-06-2002, 13:26
Originally posted by prof
Any idea whether the 302mm (ish) ibiza 4 stud discs and brembos would fit under 15"s? (thinking mk2 golf)
Well...
have a look at the piccy of my 16" Speedline wheel and caliper clearance. >> http://www.badger5.demon.co.uk/bin/brembo-wheel-2.jpg
Its pretty darned close.
Me thinks not.
Not tried it tho.
Bill
Bill,
how long did it take them to fit the kit, and where are they based??
ibizacupra
25-06-2002, 15:48
Originally posted by KITS_WRC_IBIZA
Bill,
how long did it take them to fit the kit, and where are they based??
If "them" is Autotechnik it will take no more than 3 hours.
Autotechnik are based in Totton nr Southampton. (tel:02380 ******)
I am down there again this evening to finalise the hydraulic parts for the kit, in readyness for calipers being available.
regards
Bill
anyone know if the 256mm hubs are the same as the 280 mm ones ??or do i have to add 75+labour to this price???:cheers:
too many toys coming out and nowhere near enough dosh:mad:
Originally posted by jason
too many toys coming out and nowhere near enough dosh:mad:
I'll second that!!:frown:
ibizacupra
26-06-2002, 09:04
Originally posted by jason
anyone know if the 256mm hubs are the same as the 280 mm ones ??or do i have to add 75+labour to this price???:cheers:
too many toys coming out and nowhere near enough dosh:mad:
I think you should be in luck.
256mm disks have caliper and carriers as bolt on, as opposed 239mm ones which have integral carrier, cast into hub.
If you can confirm the caliper is held on with 2 x M12 bolts to the hub, it should be Ok.
regards
Bill
If theres a waiting list Bill then put me down on the list. I wont be able to have them for a month or two though as I need to get new wheels! :(
Cheers
Ben
Hi Bill
Tried some 7x15" ET35 compomotive MO's on my car last night and they went over the willwoods no problem - 2-3mm clearance around the edge of the caliper to the rim and acres of room between caliper and spoke - good price from AAT:
http://www.advancedautosport.co.uk/
£104 each (inclusive of vat and delivery)
Also had some other ATS 7x15's ET35 for £67.76 each (inc vat and delivery)- EXCELLENT price - the guys are bringing a sample from germany to try on my car for clearance etc. ATS are german wheel company that make F3, DTM and porsche wheels (remember the big one at curborough) and certainly look ace quality - their F3 wheel was unreal, 13 x 10 I think and no more than 3kg I bet - hold one at arms length easy, amazing.
Anyway, my point is that if you have clearance problems with the brembo's, the new design MO has lots of clearance around the caliper. Also, if you are having trouble getting a 7x16 ET38 over the brembo's, they must be VERY big calipers...
Cheers
Rob
Kev Hall
26-06-2002, 14:49
their F3 wheel was unreal, 13 x 10 I think and no more than 3kg I bet - hold one at arms length easy, amazing.
It was quality, I want one for a bedside table (as they won't go on the car!)
It was a very enjoyable drive as well!!! (cheers Rob)
yes bill looks like same hub,wonder whether the 12spoke 16's i have would go over them(otherwise bloody expensive brakes ):cheers:
hopkinsgm
26-06-2002, 19:03
Originally posted by jason
wonder whether the 12spoke 16's i have would go over them
I know the multispoke 16" alloys as found on 2.0 16v's are a bit more spacious inside than the 5 spoke 16" alloys from 20vT's - the AP conversion will fit inside multispokes but not inside 5 spoke 20vT's.
G
G,
I knew I knew the answer. It was the RPM cordie wasn't it?
hopkinsgm
26-06-2002, 19:23
Indeed - RPM Cordie ran around on it's 16" multispokes stuffed with AP's while Monkey Boy Dave had their 17" Speedlines 'cos his 16" Ibiza 20vT wheels wouldn't fit over the AP conversion. And I got a nearly new set of wheels for not much cash. Ideal!
G
:D something in my favour then,may keep the things now(though need painting):cheers:
ibizacupra
26-06-2002, 22:25
Originally posted by RobT
Hi Bill
Tried some 7x15" ET35 compomotive MO's on my car last night and they went over the willwoods no problem - 2-3mm clearance around the edge of the caliper to the rim and acres of room between caliper and spoke - good price from AAT:
http://www.advancedautosport.co.uk/
£104 each (inclusive of vat and delivery)
Also had some other ATS 7x15's ET35 for £67.76 each (inc vat and delivery)- EXCELLENT price - the guys are bringing a sample from germany to try on my car for clearance etc. ATS are german wheel company that make F3, DTM and porsche wheels (remember the big one at curborough) and certainly look ace quality - their F3 wheel was unreal, 13 x 10 I think and no more than 3kg I bet - hold one at arms length easy, amazing.
Anyway, my point is that if you have clearance problems with the brembo's, the new design MO has lots of clearance around the caliper. Also, if you are having trouble getting a 7x16 ET38 over the brembo's, they must be VERY big calipers...
Cheers
Rob
I'll have to try my BK Dymag 7x15's ET35 now then. Maybe? maybe they'll fit. hmmm
track tyres on the Ibiza... Yummy Sticky yoko's too.
MO's look like my BK Dymags... don't they?
piccy here>> http://www.badger5.demon.co.uk/bin/Dymag-wheel.jpg
Wotcha think?
Bill
ibizacupra
26-06-2002, 22:30
If people DEFINATELY want these brakes as they become available, please email me at brembo@badger5.demon.co.uk with your name, contact details etc.
It will be strictly on a first come first served basis as they become available.
Fitting can be arranged with Autotechnik down in Totton nr Southampton, for approx 2-3 hours labour only, including Dot 5.1 fluid flush for the new calipers.
This is a superb brakign upgrade. Having done the usual other disk and pd change to help, I can happily say hand on heart, nothing compares to the improvement these things bring.
Free demo's of it new braking abaility to those of sound body and health!!! :p Mind the whiplash on stopping tho :D
regards
Bill
Originally posted by ibizacupra
I'll have to try my BK Dymag 7x15's ET35 now then. Maybe? maybe they'll fit. hmmm
track tyres on the Ibiza... Yummy Sticky yoko's too.
MO's look like my BK Dymags... don't they?
piccy here>> http://www.badger5.demon.co.uk/bin/Dymag-wheel.jpg
Wotcha think?
Bill
They look similar but its hard to tell what the rear of the wheel is like - MO's look like this but they are deceptive as the have curved spokes to give huge clearance about the caliper.
So wouldn't like to say really.
By the way - AAT also do a DTM-spec 7x15 ET35 that weighs only 5.5kg - the MO was 9.5kg ! - tryign a set of these also, a saving of nearly 20kg of unsprung weight. (£100 each also - same price as MO's - this is one reason I love the euro !)
Cheers
Rob
What would a bolt-on kit cost without mounting incl delivered to Sweden? Including everything you'll need.
I got a Cordoba Cupra... -01.
ibizacupra
27-06-2002, 11:12
Originally posted by Johnnie
What would a bolt-on kit cost without mounting incl delivered to Sweden? Including everything you'll need.
I got a Cordoba Cupra... -01.
PM sent.
Carriage will be expensive as its heavy.
regards
Bill
turbo northener
27-06-2002, 12:35
bill - can't afford them for a month or too but do you intend supplying them on a regular basis, assuming a bit of a rush to start with, supply could be ok in a few months time??
(must have them as my greestuff wore out and i'm temp on std pads with 200+bhp !! )
ibizacupra
27-06-2002, 12:40
Originally posted by turbo northener
bill - can't afford them for a month or too but do you intend supplying them on a regular basis, assuming a bit of a rush to start with, supply could be ok in a few months time??
(must have them as my greestuff wore out and i'm temp on std pads with 200+bhp !! )
:eek: standard pads!!!:eek:
Brave man..
These things will on allocation pretty much, as supply is speradic and I suspect will remain so...
So long as they keep supplying them, so will I.
regards
Bill
:cheers:
turbo northener
27-06-2002, 12:43
Originally posted by ibizacupra
:eek: standard pads!!!:eek:
Brave man..
regards
Bill
:cheers:
shocking how bad the originals are - taken to wearing brown trousers and praying a lot...
just pull 1 of the plug leads off until u get the new pads. lol
firstborn
27-06-2002, 14:24
If i've read the previous correctly the standard 6x16 multispoker's on the MK2 cuprasprort have enough clearence for the Brembo's. Is this correct?
Cheers
steve
cordobabrendy
27-06-2002, 16:09
yea they will fit, the clearance is greater behind as the spokes/insides are flatter if you get my drift.
hopkinsgm
27-06-2002, 19:27
Originally posted by cordobabrendy
yea they will fit, the clearance is greater behind as the spokes/insides are flatter if you get my drift.
Woah! Easy! No-one has said they will definitely fit as no-one has yet tried it! Yes, they'll fit inside SOME 16's but clearance COULD be an issue. The Brembo's have so far been checked with 7Jx16 ET35 OZ SuperT's (Seat did that on the Cupra R) and Bill's tried them with 7Jx16 Speedline 5-spokes which by his own admission are a bit tighter than he'd like. As to whether they'll fit inside the multispokes, no-one has tried it yet, what i DID say was that 6Jx16 ET38 multispokes have a bit more space inside than 6Jx16 ET38 Ibiza 20vT wheels and illustrated the point by stating that an AP 4 pot conversion will fit inside multispokes but not inside the 20vT wheels - I never said anything about the Brembo conversion. Best bet? Ask Bill or the owner of an Ibiza Cupra R if you can try a wheel on their car and see if it'll fit.
G
willing to put the brembo's behind my wheels just to see if they fit.:D
ibizacupra
27-06-2002, 22:35
Originally posted by cordobabrendy
yea they will fit, the clearance is greater behind as the spokes/insides are flatter if you get my drift.
Are you speaking from experience Brendy?
Best bet as previously advised is to measure the wheel hub to spoke distance on the wheels on your car. Any less than say 40mm and you will likely need spacers or different wheels. The calipers front face is 38mm forward of the disks hub face, if you get my drift.
I for one could not guarantee a fit without trying one first.
regards
Bill
cordobabrendy
28-06-2002, 01:32
http://seat-sport.seat.es/eng/pag/cupra/cupra-001.htm
The way i read it is that yea they are 7j wide but having seen the insides of both rthe 5 spoke and my multispokes i think that they will fit ok, the main reason im saying this is because the spokes on the inside of my alloys are very flat and dont intrude at all, in fact they make the callipers look very small compared!!
If im proved wrong, no probs, but i believe they will fit and leave enough room for heat expansion to not cause any problems, as bill says even if they do it will only be a case of adding small spacers to the front two.
On a completely different subject, anyone else seen this? was in geneva carshow.
http://www.rtl.nl/components/automotor/degoudenkoets/nieuws/Geneve2002/SeatIbizaCupraR_258.jpg
cordobabrendy
28-06-2002, 01:34
Bill, if you wanna come over here and fit a set to my cordy, i dont mind getting a "free" set and being the guinea pig, all in the name of progress!!!!:devil: :cheers:
heheh
ibizacupra
28-06-2002, 08:04
Originally posted by cordobabrendy
Bill, if you wanna come over here and fit a set to my cordy, i dont mind getting a "free" set and being the guinea pig, all in the name of progress!!!!:devil: :cheers:
heheh
Cheeky bugger!
LOL
:)
Bill
Something totally different...
Have anyone done some serious changes.
I'm planning to fit a Audi TT downpipe, turbo...
270bhp would be nice.
On that comes clutch, injection (?) exhaust, intercooler...
Originally posted by ibizacupra
Are you speaking from experience Brendy?
Best bet as previously advised is to measure the wheel hub to spoke distance on the wheels on your car. Any less than say 40mm and you will likely need spacers or different wheels. The calipers front face is 38mm forward of the disks hub face, if you get my drift.
I for one could not guarantee a fit without trying one first.
regards
Bill
This explains the clearance issues that could crop up and why I have no such problems with the wilwoods - My 7x15 ET35 MO's have loads of space over the caliper BUT the caliper front face is only 22mm forward of the disk hub face (cf. 38mm with the Brembo)- I guess its down to the mounting brackets etc or simply the size of the caliper.
Cheers
Rob
While we are on about brakes, can anyone help with my current problem, (no not the rash, the rather important brake problem)
Ok I've just got my g60 hubs grit blasted painted and new bearings in for me mk2 valver one of the bearings is about 2mm away from the inside circlip, is this ok or have they supplied the wrong bearings. Got my mk3 gti carriers and calipers bolted up, and I'm thinking these look a bit beefy, then realised they are the late ones for the 5 stud 288s so my 280 power discs are looking a little lost.
Thing is they are absolutely mint and the only problem looks like the pads are about 5mm too big, i.e. they extend in towards the hub 5mmm too much in the centre, the edges are ok.
So should I swap them for the proper g60 /early mk3 calipers, or can I machine a bit off the pads, not the metal backing plate, just the friction material itself? are am I risking certain death. The pad area is about double the g60 area, so losing a little bit shouldn't be a problem.
Alternatively, should I try and cram some 305mm seat discs in as there looks to be loads of room.
Help help help help.
ibizacupra
28-06-2002, 11:41
Originally posted by prof
While we are on about brakes, can anyone help with my current problem, (no not the rash, the rather important brake problem)
Ok I've just got my g60 hubs grit blasted painted and new bearings in for me mk2 valver one of the bearings is about 2mm away from the inside circlip, is this ok or have they supplied the wrong bearings. Got my mk3 gti carriers and calipers bolted up, and I'm thinking these look a bit beefy, then realised they are the late ones for the 5 stud 288s so my 280 power discs are looking a little lost.
Thing is they are absolutely mint and the only problem looks like the pads are about 5mm too big, i.e. they extend in towards the hub 5mmm too much in the centre, the edges are ok.
So should I swap them for the proper g60 /early mk3 calipers, or can I machine a bit off the pads, not the metal backing plate, just the friction material itself? are am I risking certain death. The pad area is about double the g60 area, so losing a little bit shouldn't be a problem.
Alternatively, should I try and cram some 305mm seat discs in as there looks to be loads of room.
Help help help help.
Well I am confused for one as to which bits come from which and fit onto..... erm..
I can only comment from whay I know and have done personally, and this is limited to 239 to 256 and 256 to 280, and now 280 to 305 Brembos. Never used MK3 bits myself.
sorry
Not what you wanted to hear I guess.
Bill
:rolleyes:
Ok
g60/passat hubs
carriers and calipers from late mk3 gti, the early mk3 gti ones are the same as g60, but the ones I have are the later ones DOH!
The pad area is about double, but not sure if all the offsets are ok.
I'm tempted to just try em but you can't really mess about with this stuff
do the 305 discs have a different offset to the 280s?, just thinking the calipers i have might be an easy way to get the 305s on are the 28 thick? and is the extra width outwards or inwards?
ibizacupra
28-06-2002, 15:03
Originally posted by prof
do the 305 discs have a different offset to the 280s?, just thinking the calipers i have might be an easy way to get the 305s on are the 28 thick? and is the extra width outwards or inwards?
;)
Dunno. Not measured it all up against each other.
The joys of pick and mix parts eh?
good luck
Bill
This site - http://www.audizine.com/tech/howto/ has info on a Porsche boxster upgrade for an A4. How do they compare?
just got back off mre hols where i saw a fiat coupe fitted with brembo's as stnd on stnd rims and there was bugger all space on this stnd set up,really close to the spoke on both the outside edge and on the back of the spoke:(
ibizacupra
04-07-2002, 18:12
Originally posted by DaveP
This site - http://www.audizine.com/tech/howto/ has info on a Porsche boxster upgrade for an A4. How do they compare?
I know which one is cheaper - :p using factory parts...
They stop superbly is all I can say, bolt straight on. It does'nt get much simpler than this.
regards
Bill
utter_hatred
08-07-2002, 13:30
Looks fantastic. Sounds great.
Do we know if the Brembo`s fit on the MK2 Beeza with the factory multi-spoke 16" wheels?
Read the whole thread but got a bit lost when it came to offsets, measurements etc.
Or are we waiting for someone to just try these wheels?
IM just in the process of scanning the brake conversion weekend we had at Kev Hall's, when the usual suspects undertook Saul's big brake conversion to Wilwood 4 pot billet NDL's.
Will post the images up later today.
ibizacupra
08-07-2002, 18:39
Originally posted by utter_hatred
Looks fantastic. Sounds great.
Do we know if the Brembo`s fit on the MK2 Beeza with the factory multi-spoke 16" wheels?
Read the whole thread but got a bit lost when it came to offsets, measurements etc.
Or are we waiting for someone to just try these wheels?
To check your wheels for likely clearance probs, measure your wheel from its hub face (side which touches your cars hub) and the rear of the spokes. You will need over 38mm for the Brembo to fit without needing a spacer of some sort. The Brembo is 38mm forward of your wheels hub, if you know what I mean.
regards
Bill
ibizacupra
08-07-2002, 18:41
Originally posted by ZBOYD
IM just in the process of scanning the brake conversion weekend we had at Kev Hall's, when the usual suspects undertook Saul's big brake conversion to Wilwood 4 pot billet NDL's.
Will post the images up later today.
Look forward to seeing them.
Are these calipers road versions with piston dust seals?
How much did it cost and what size disk did it clamp to?
4-pots Rock! :)
regards
Bill
Originally posted by ibizacupra
Look forward to seeing them.
Are these calipers road versions with piston dust seals?
How much did it cost and what size disk did it clamp to?
4-pots Rock! :)
regards
Bill
Bill there is a few pics up on the main site.
when will it end i now need to start saving for wheeels that will fit 4 pots never mind!:dunno:
ibizacupra
08-07-2002, 21:46
Originally posted by John
Bill there is a few pics up on the main site.
when will it end i now need to start saving for wheeels that will fit 4 pots never mind!:dunno:
Yea.. thanks for that.
Just looked.
They look the part.
I wonder how they compared to the Brembo setup ££ wise.
regards
Bill
Bill, not the expert here, Saul will no doubt fill you in.
But the whole setup, cost him around £760 i think he said, that includes calipers, 310mm Discs, very nice discs :) and pads and braided brake lines etc.
But wow do they work :) he took me out in the car after they were done, and we were just being hooligans :D schreeching to sudden halts. :D :D
They work superbly, im now sorting some out for mine, just got to try and find out what will fit, quite like the look of the Wilwood 6 pots, but need to know if i need any other mods besides calipers, i could keep OE discs as my Leons are 312mm, but i did so like the look of those Wilwood discs :)
Just waiting for some cash to come my way, very soon. And its big brake conversion for me, as well as suspension. ;)
ibizacupra
08-07-2002, 23:25
Originally posted by ZBOYD
Bill, not the expert here, Saul will no doubt fill you in.
But the whole setup, cost him around £760 i think he said, that includes calipers, 310mm Discs, very nice discs :) and pads and braided brake lines etc.
But wow do they work :) he took me out in the car after they were done, and we were just being hooligans :D schreeching to sudden halts. :D :D
They work superbly, im now sorting some out for mine, just got to try and find out what will fit, quite like the look of the Wilwood 6 pots, but need to know if i need any other mods besides calipers, i could keep OE discs as my Leons are 312mm, but i did so like the look of those Wilwood discs :)
Just waiting for some cash to come my way, very soon. And its big brake conversion for me, as well as suspension. ;)
£760(ish)..... owch!
Look good tho.
I'll stick with me Brembo's.. give the ABS pump something to do tho eh? :D :D :D
Bill
About time it did something useful :D :D
What the brembo's go for?
Thought about the Porcshe brakes but they are serious money, and i think they are in fact relabeled Brembos anyway.
Wilwood just something a little different to the norm, looked superb on Sauls, and they do the job no doubts there. :D
ibizacupra
09-07-2002, 14:50
Originally posted by ZBOYD
About time it did something useful :D :D
What the brembo's go for?
Thought about the Porcshe brakes but they are serious money, and i think they are in fact relabeled Brembos anyway.
Wilwood just something a little different to the norm, looked superb on Sauls, and they do the job no doubts there. :D
On the Ibiza they work out at £427.56 for all the parts.
Leons fitment will need a different bracket to mount the caliper to, but I suspect the new Leon-R's Brembo brakes use the same calipers.... to be confirmed tho.
As you say tho, 4-pots should be the norm not the exception.
Plenty of clamping force on the disks...
yummy! :D
regards
Bill
Yup as soon as my funds come thru, they are top of my list to do.
:D :D
dmward71
12-07-2002, 18:59
What happened to the standard Brembo 4 Pots you took off your Ibiza cupra, have you sold them,
Have you any idea of cost new or second hand how much they are.
Do you know anyone selling
ibizacupra
12-07-2002, 20:50
Originally posted by dmward71
What happened to the standard Brembo 4 Pots you took off your Ibiza cupra, have you sold them,
Have you any idea of cost new or second hand how much they are.
Do you know anyone selling
My old calipers were'nt 4-pots... thats what the Brembos are...
I guess you mean my old single piston calipers?
If so then they've been sold, but I do have another set.
Are you after 20VT front calipers then? and disks?
Bill
dmward71
12-07-2002, 22:37
Yes Im after the Ibiza Cupra R 4 pots
Its not for a seat
I can only use upto 280 disks on my car.
VW POLO
ibizacupra
14-07-2002, 18:46
Originally posted by dmward71
Yes Im after the Ibiza Cupra R 4 pots
Its not for a seat
I can only use upto 280 disks on my car.
VW POLO
Remember though, the Cupra-R's calipers are sized for 30mm thick disks. 280 disks are only 22m thick.
Thats 8mm too thin and +4mm extra piston extension, on pads which are already quite thin when new.
You might want to check things a bit more on this score to prevent you wasting your money. I too want to run these calipers on my Jetta but I still want to run 15" rims. So far it is'nt looking as straight forward as I would have liked for all the reasons I have mentioned. :(
regards
Bill
dmward71
15-07-2002, 00:27
Thanks will look into first