View Full Version : Hurricane rating
Shock_Xe
03-07-2002, 23:43
Ok bill has shipped enough hurricane induction kit to provide most of the uk's population of seat's. So how do u rate yours???
hellspawn
09-07-2002, 21:34
Well impressed, makes the car feel and sound much more like a turbo car should be, eversince i put it on, with the exhaust anf forge dv, ppl seem to notice the car more.
Can't wait to hear it when i get round to havin me APR chip put in :D
ibizacupra
09-07-2002, 22:21
Sometimes too loud?
hmmmm
Oh well.
I like it myself... Grrrrowlll :D
regards
Bill
Shock_Xe
09-07-2002, 22:44
Im still waiting for mine *shock glares @ bill as it was ordered saturday*!!!!
But i could see that maybe it would be too loud however i haven't heard it yet *shock glares @ bill once again*
but if it sounds like some other induction kits iv'e heared like a piper x on a 2.5 v6 it was loud and the mrs would diffenatly not like it!!!
Top product does exectly what it says on the tin.
hear my roar!:box:
ibizacupra
10-07-2002, 10:46
Originally posted by Shock_Xe
Im still waiting for mine *shock glares @ bill as it was ordered saturday*!!!!
But i could see that maybe it would be too loud however i haven't heard it yet *shock glares @ bill once again*
but if it sounds like some other induction kits iv'e heared like a piper x on a 2.5 v6 it was loud and the mrs would diffenatly not like it!!!
LOL
I was on holiday at the time you ordered.... difficult to send things when you're 600 miles away from the goods. :D
Despatched Monday this week as promised.
Should be with you any time now.
regards
Bill
ibizacupra
10-07-2002, 10:47
Originally posted by Cupraman
He never sent me one :P
You never asked! :)
Leon one is supposed to be available shortly....
Watch this space.
regards
Bill
Can we review on for you Bill?
Originally posted by ibizacupra
You never asked! :)
Leon one is supposed to be available shortly....
Watch this space.
regards
Bill
Waiting for the Leon's one!!......:D
ibizacupra
18-07-2002, 16:13
Originally posted by ozzy
Waiting for the Leon's one!!......:D
Me too mate!
Can only say it should be worth the wait. Its out of my hands.
regards
Bill
:D I received mine this morning along with Forge dump valve fitted the hurricane straight away what a difference it drives smoother and sounds great, am gonna fit the dump valve over the weekend.
Thanks Bill
Originally posted by Shock_Xe
Im still waiting for mine *shock glares @ bill as it was ordered saturday*!!!!
But i could see that maybe it would be too loud however i haven't heard it yet *shock glares @ bill once again*
but if it sounds like some other induction kits iv'e heared like a piper x on a 2.5 v6 it was loud and the mrs would diffenatly not like it!!!
the cone filter on my GT don't make a sound
CustardCupra
20-07-2002, 18:26
Top product , more than pleased , worth every penny ,
even her indoors gives it the BIG thumbs up !!! ( so it must be good ).
Cheers Bill
JOOLS:wiz:.
Steve3961
20-07-2002, 19:09
Unfortunatly both the car's with hurricane air filter's had poor results on the club gti RR bash.
Myself and Si were down on power when compared with similer spec car's with standard airbox's.
Not to pleased.:mad:
After watching two types of Rolling Road operators, I should take it with a pince of salt Steve, so don't stress
Did they make sure that the inlet temperature was the same (ie low) and all the several other varients that I saw Vince @ stealth ensure was the same, or did (as I suspect) just whack the car on the rollers & run it up as quick as possible? Other similar cars, aren't going to be exactly the same, not as hot/cold etc etc.
M
if its a "cold air intake" where the piping should theoretically
at least get fresh feed of air while on the rolling road would
surly make a diffrence?
did they feed fresh air to inlet pipe?
Steve3961
21-07-2002, 12:30
Originally posted by MarkP
After watching two types of Rolling Road operators, I should take it with a pince of salt Steve, so don't stress
Did they make sure that the inlet temperature was the same (ie low) and all the several other varients that I saw Vince @ stealth ensure was the same, or did (as I suspect) just whack the car on the rollers & run it up as quick as possible? Other similar cars, aren't going to be exactly the same, not as hot/cold etc etc.
M
if anything They had the fans running longer on my car that they did Lee's, id the say the temp was pretty constant inm there.
There was no whacking, i can asure you:p
CustardCupra
21-07-2002, 15:34
Originally posted by Steve3961
Unfortunatly both the car's with hurricane air filter's had poor results on the club gti RR bash.
Myself and Si were down on power when compared with similer spec car's with standard airbox's.
Not to pleased.:mad:
So what power did youre car make compared to similar spec carsand what power was theirs ?????,
Also what chip did they have compared to you ?????.
You see i think its down to who's chipped it and what Rollers it was run up on,
Same car will never make the same power figures on two sets of rollers,
Thats why IMO some of us claim to see 200+ BHP and otherts alot less.
Golf 1.8t and Audi 1.8t seem to make better power than seat 1.8t also , why is this ????
JOOLS
ibizacupra
21-07-2002, 16:24
Originally posted by Steve3961
Unfortunatly both the car's with hurricane air filter's had poor results on the club gti RR bash.
Myself and Si were down on power when compared with similer spec car's with standard airbox's.
Not to pleased.:mad:
Steve
You should know about RR's by now vs real on the road driving. It just is'nt a reflective measurement.
That was the single reason why when I dyno'd the Hurricane in the first instance driving on a real road, datalogging with VAGCOM, whose results were and have been posted a few times. ( http://www.badger5.demon.co.uk/bin/hurricane-v-std-small.jpg and http://www.badger5.demon.co.uk/bin/std-vs-hurricane.PDF )
The cold air feed pipe n the Hurricane sucks from just in front of the front wheel, which is where the rollers are. (they do get hot)
Amazing is'nt that everyone is happy until a RR, and then everythings poor and something gets blamed for it......... Go Figure.
They work, and are dyno proven in real road driving conditions compared to stock airbox.
so what figures did you and the other get relative to other cars on the day.
Bill
ibizacupra
21-07-2002, 16:26
Originally posted by ibizacupra
Steve
You should know about RR's by now vs real on the road driving. It just is'nt a reflective measurement. Were induction temps actually logged during before and during the runs? Very much poke and hope without being in possession of all the facts.
That was the single reason why when I dyno'd the Hurricane in the first instance driving on a real road, datalogging with VAGCOM, whose results were and have been posted a few times. ( http://www.badger5.demon.co.uk/bin/hurricane-v-std-small.jpg and http://www.badger5.demon.co.uk/bin/std-vs-hurricane.PDF )
The cold air feed pipe n the Hurricane sucks from just in front of the front wheel, which is where the rollers are. (they do get hot)
Amazing is'nt that everyone is happy until a RR, and then everythings poor and something gets blamed for it......... Go Figure.
They work, and are dyno proven in real road driving conditions compared to stock airbox.
so what figures did you and the other get relative to other cars on the day.
Bill
Steve3961
22-07-2002, 16:00
Originally posted by ibizacupra
Just for the record the Hurricane does perform on the road, no problems there,
Just frustrating to be beaten by a certain oetinger riddled beeza!:(
If you saw the thread on enthusiasts Bill you would see that i relise its a "roller" thing, somewhere the standard airbox has the advantage.
ibizacupra
22-07-2002, 16:13
Originally posted by Steve3961
Just for the record the Hurricane does perform on the road, no problems there,
Just frustrating to be beaten by a certain oetinger riddled beeza!:(
If you saw the thread on enthusiasts Bill you would see that i relise its a "roller" thing, somewhere the standard airbox has the advantage.
The whole point I posted as I did is people who don't know, would interpret that the Hurricane does'nt work, where as it does. We all (bar one I see :p) agree on this.
Dyno's really screw our cars up. We saw this back at PowerStation also in Jan this year. Guess what, the Oettingers fared well there then also... Go figure.
I know mine did'tn perform, and ran independant tests comparing APR against Oettinger at Stealth Racing in controlled conditions. It took us 1/2 day dyno time swapping and re-running to actually get reliable, repeatable results. RR dyno days and shoot outs are flash readings and our 20VT motors can suffer badly, its a lottery.
If I was worried the Hurricane did'nt work I would'nt sell it. Dyno's are not where we drive our cars, real roads are, with real road speed winds rushing through our radiators/intercoolers etc. I chose to dyno with VAGCOM as it is as real world, real life measurement as I believe you can get. The posted results proved to me it did nett some gains. I previously tried a BMC Carbon intake system, but sadly that actually lost power over stock.
My guess as to why the stock airbox works on a dyno, is because it draws its air from the upper wheel arch, effective breathing through the gap between the wheel arch top and bottom edge of the windscreen scuttle. (the panel gap) - Thats pretty far away from the hot rollers and better than sucking from the bottom of the wing next to a roller on the dyno. If anyone was concerned about the cold air draw for a Hurricane, they could always route it through the same direction as the standard snorkle did. You would just need to dro down the plastic wheel arch liner, and cut a larger hole for the larger Hurricane feed pipe to poke through.
It is flexible after all. I have'nt tried this myself, not seeing the need, but its an option should anyone fell uncomfortable with where it gets is air from.
regards
Bill
ibizacupra
22-07-2002, 16:20
Originally posted by Steve3961
Just for the record the Hurricane does perform on the road, no problems there,
Just frustrating to be beaten by a certain oetinger riddled beeza!:(
If you saw the thread on enthusiasts Bill you would see that i relise its a "roller" thing, somewhere the standard airbox has the advantage.
Tell me about it..
I am not happy that Chungster runs better times for the 1/4 mile than me either, but he does and fair play to that man. He's faster than me in a 1/4 mile.
I won't get all bent out of shape about it tho. :D
On the road and track in real world driving I know which is the faster car/driver combo. :)
Mines Oettinger also as you know, and I know Jabbasports the better mapping. Hence junking what I have and going a different route. Jabbapower here I come :D
On RR's Oettinger powered cars seem to hold out better than others.. I know not why. I remember mien being the lowest powered Oettinger chipped car from back in Jan this year, and Lee's was more tha mine then. BenS1 was highest, closely followed by Paul B.
regards
Bill
Steve3961
22-07-2002, 21:14
Originally posted by ibizacupra
Tell me about it..
I am not happy that Chungster runs better times for the 1/4 mile than me either, but he does and fair play to that man. He's faster than me in a 1/4 mile.
I won't get all bent out of shape about it tho. :D
On the road and track in real world driving I know which is the faster car/driver combo. :)
Mines Oettinger also as you know, and I know Jabbasports the better mapping. Hence junking what I have and going a different route. Jabbapower here I come :D
On RR's Oettinger powered cars seem to hold out better than others.. I know not why. I remember mien being the lowest powered Oettinger chipped car from back in Jan this year, and Lee's was more tha mine then. BenS1 was highest, closely followed by Paul B.
regards
Bill
From what the RR operator said, it felt like the oettinger chip felt a lot better made,
Maybe this is why they are so expensive, they certainly cope a lot better with high temperature's than mine does, maybe the map is more complete.
I wasn certainly not having a go at chungster, i regard him as a very good friend, its just i always regarded my chip program to be superior to his and that RR didn't show that at all.
The exact expression the operator used was my chip and Chungster's chip were as different as night and day, mine being the poorer effort.
Ill going to jabbasport on wed(nothing to do with the RR) so ill chat to mike about it.
ibizacupra
22-07-2002, 22:26
Originally posted by Steve3961
From what the RR operator said, it felt like the oettinger chip felt a lot better made,
Maybe this is why they are so expensive, they certainly cope a lot better with high temperature's than mine does, maybe the map is more complete.
I wasn certainly not having a go at chungster, i regard him as a very good friend, its just i always regarded my chip program to be superior to his and that RR didn't show that at all.
The exact expression the operator used was my chip and Chungster's chip were as different as night and day, mine being the poorer effort.
Ill going to jabbasport on wed(nothing to do with the RR) so ill chat to mike about it.
I'm not having a pop ay Chungster either... But Oettinger software sux (boost spiked). Compared to APR it is primitive and only 6 tables are modified, which is similar to Mike T's adjustment.
Mike can map and preference of drivability to tailor a map to an owner. Oettinger is one for all fitment and not optimised to your engine. - it is reliable tho.
I know I would never go for anything Oettinger, and price tag is just serious margin and lining already rich pockets IMHO. It is'nt developed to the state to justify it price tag. There is better software out there.
I ran Oettingers software against APR's on Stealth Racings RR in very controlled conditions and the results demonstrated a lacking in actual vs claimed for Oettinger and showed APR's power curve and power delivery to be very much smoother and progressive.
http://www.badger-5.go-plus.net/images/apr-oettinger.jpg
and
http://www.badger-5.go-plus.net/images/apr-oettinger-torque.jpg
Don't make any judgements on your chip compared to Chungsters from this RR. Get a proper job done at a VAG specialist like Jabba, where all measurements can be done in a controlled manner. I stand by you and believe Jabba's to be the better product, optimised to your motor. I do also think Lee has himself a nice good engine tho... one of the better ones for sure. (unlike mine :( )
Bill
ibizacupra
22-07-2002, 22:29
Originally posted by Steve3961
Ill going to jabbasport on wed(nothing to do with the RR) so ill chat to mike about it.
One thing I intend to get done before i get de-Oettinger'd is to run a power plot at Jabbasport of my as-is, just to see how it is now I have 15K miles on it, with Hurricane and larger Miltek.
Roll on the IHI.
Bill
Just to add my two penneth, since changing my chip from the Oettinger to the APR, ive got much smoother power delivery, a more usable powerband, and little boost spiking, on the rollers at Stealth Racing the Oettinger run lower in controlled conditions, not much lower though than the APR
Curves were fairly simillar, and actually was fairly smooth considering, the weird result it got at Powerstation where it looked like the Himalayas. :)
But APR certainly feels the better product in my opinion of course ;)
No experience of Jabba so can't comment, but as Bill has said, seems to me dedicated backup from VW specialists in this COUNTRY, for me make Jabba or APR better bets, and mapping to your car, or using a better field of parameters as APR do seems a lot better.
Can't say i ever disliked my Oettinger chip, certainly produced promised figures when at Stealth, but aftersales support was sadly lacking.
On a lighter note, my car seems far faster and miles smoother, now since ive done 2 things, firstly ive taken off the DV006 and replaced it with my stock Bosch DV, and fitted a properly fitted, non blowing, Supersprint Exhaust, hesitations seems to have gone or has been greatly reduced, still keeping my eye on it though.
Butt Dyno though, its FAST AS F**K ;)
May go for 007P DV, but not sure, stock one works, seems my hesitations may have been linked to my DV006 anyway, even APR commented that they noticed it was opening slightly **** eyed, so piston couldn't of been seated properly. Anyway will see how it goes.
Very happy at the moment.
Originally posted by ibizacupra
I do also think Lee has himself a nice good engine tho... one of the better ones for sure. (unlike mine :( )
Bill
It seems the early cars like mine and Lee's do better than later cars. I know the first car produced more power standard, possibly a special set up for releasing the car, as I know the software was different to even later X reg models. Are the engine codes the same on later ones. I think mines AQX but not 100% without looking again.
As for the DV thing, a lot of people seem to have problems with the Forge 006, I have a 007P on mine and it is excellent, never any probs and miles better than the original. Maybe I'm lucking and have a mega underbonnet setup :jog: , but the rest of the car suffers the same as the rest :p