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Redline magazine were having a corsa Vs saxo day today covering 0-60, 0-100, 1/4 mile.
corsa with a 2.1L throttle body engine pushing 250 did 60 in 4.97s, 100 in 12.75s and 1/4 mile in 13.4s lives in Aberdeen.
thats tunning for you :D
also a VTS with very few engine mods but with a lot of weight out did 0-60 in 6.38s
one of GMC's S/C VTR's did 0-60 in 6.98s, 1/4 mile 15.5s, 0-100 21s. so quick off the line but loses it above 60. shows what different sort of tunning does. more power Vs less weight
thank you vibrio, now wheres that thread on weight affecting acceleration.
that corsa a 2.016V block bored out? rapid, but is it goin to last?
bored out yeah. as for reliabilty. it is properly made.
Vibrio, did you actually realise your on a Seat forum here?, how come your not on a fiat forum?, all you seem to talk about is punto's, corsa's and saxo's and how you think they are faster and better than Seat's !!, this forum is for Seat's!!! :rolleyes:
I am just sharing info ya fool. showing that a sub 5s 0-60 can be done in a FWD car. get over it christ. the next time I have something vaguely interesting to say I will keep quite. alot of people want tunning because they can't keep up with CTR's or 172. don't see you moaning about them.
I am so sorry. I did think people might be interested in the loss of weight V's extra power thing but apparently your not
ibizacupra
25-07-2002, 08:41
Weight is the racers enemy.
Power to weight ratio is very significant, but seldom looked at.
Bill
Some people might want all out power and might be prepared to strip out their cars to obtain it, but the Leon is about comfort with power, sure, it might cost you a bit of weight, but i bought it as a comfortable fast cruiser, you cant tell me that you punto is nice to rive on long journeys, or that the corsa or saxo is gonna keep me comfy on a trip to scotland!, forget it!, it cant happen!
Punto's, corsa's and saxo's arent much more than baked bean tins on wheels!, there's not much comfort in them!, i know cos i've owned or drived all of them!
What are you doing about weight (of your car) Bill? Obviously you have your eye on increasing your power-to-weight ratio, but so far you only seem to be increasing the power...
Tony2Quick4u
25-07-2002, 10:18
Easy mosser, Vibro is only commenting on the power to weight ratio storey again which i always find really intersting
i.e 1.2 Fiat Uno Turbo faster than a 2.5 V6 Jaguar - Hence the power to weight ratio!!
Cheers for the info Vibro, always interesting to see what people are doing to their cars, that corsa must shift like hell. Although not practical and comfy for every day to day driving, just interesting to see what nutters are doing to their cars out there!!
:cheers:
Different people have different interests!, i am more interested in the technical aspects of the engine and the comfort features,
Sorry if i've offended you vibrio, not everyone in the world has the same tastes and interests (it would be boring if they did), mine doesnt include cosa's and saxos!! it just seemed strange to me that you were driving a fiat, and on a seat forum, i wouldnt have any interest in spending time on a fiat forum unless i was thinking of getting one or already had one!
ibizacupra
25-07-2002, 10:33
Originally posted by DaveP
What are you doing about weight (of your car) Bill? Obviously you have your eye on increasing your power-to-weight ratio, but so far you only seem to be increasing the power... Well power is one half of the equation :D
Well I could lose some weight.... *cough*
I don't intend stripping anything out of me beezer. Its me sensible road car after all - honest!
Me Scirocco is the stripped out racer project. Going to be noisy and rattly old thing.
So far I have improved handling, braking, and clutch, but these are for utilising what power I have better, more than getting it to be a quicker accelerating car.
RobT has the right idea and the right approach with his Ibiza Cupra. Stripped out, caged, properly sorted car for track day fun. Not so great as a daily driver, without some loss of comfort.
Whatever the goals, be it out and out drag racing speed, or best track times, you will compromise something. It all dpends on if thats a worry to you or not.
Bill
ibizacupra
25-07-2002, 10:35
Originally posted by Tony2Quick4u
Cheers for the info Vibro, always interesting to see what people are doing to their cars, that corsa must shift like hell. :cheers:
Traction must be superb!
FWD doing those sort of times.
Impressive.
I hope I can get down to them....:p
Bill
Tony_Essex
25-07-2002, 10:47
This power to weight ratio is very important. I always make sure I have had a good dump before I go out on the roads for a race ;)
Seriously I agree with you Mosser, most of us bought Leons for the speed with comfort, I have always viewed the 20VT as a Grand Tourer and not really a sports car. If we wanted a sports car we would have bought elise's or caterhams/westfields.
But Vibrio, please keep posting it is interesting to listen to your views, and quite impressive what you can get out of a VTR. Only acouple of weeks ago a VTR with body kit and big wheels, acceleratef flat out past me going onto the A414, I just had to have a go, and unsurprisingly he had not much in the way of reply.
Also had a tangle with an old Uno Turbo, that had a zorst and I think a chip, he kept up reasonably well for a short time but didn't have the top end to match. all good fun.
My car is not stripped out although I have considered removing the rear seats to put a dog bed in. (got a 35kg German sheperd :D)
I actually found the seats in the leon to be quite uncomfy. yes it does cuise nicely and why would you want to strip it out.
the corsa was running road legal slicks and the guy driving does actually race the thing (phoned the passenger last night when they were coming back up the road. sounded fab)
as for me being on a seat forum. well My partners brother bought one not so long ago so I came on to have a look. I stayed :D you'd be suprised at the amount of information you get talking to people with other cars. are you saying I should not contribute to anything just beacuse I got a bread van (two actually):p
Unusual to find the seats uncomfortable. For me, they are one of the best things.
Not quite as smooth as my A6 diesel, it managed to cruise at up to 130 going thru france, average over 100mph on the computer and still return just over 27mpg.
i'm not saying that you shouldnt post on here, i just found it strange thats all !, i too find the seats very good on long or short journeys, i can happily sit in them all day without problems, but at 6' 2" i find there isnt enough leg support in the smaller cars like the cosa (and even if i did fit i wouldnt ever want one anyway!!)
I found the seats overly hard
Tony2Quick4u
25-07-2002, 12:52
I have to disagree on that one, i own an 8v with 38000 on the clock and the seats are really comfortable, proper bucket seats (standard ones that came with the car) and they hold you in (well i need them to, the speed i go round corners or i would fly out the window!!!)
Mind you, they might be very comfortable from being broken in quite well cos of the mileage, i.e. lot of sitting in them.
I find the ride very comfortable, apart from bumpy roads as the suspension is very stiff!!
Vibrio more threads like this one please :)
And as for front wheelers there are cars in the state which are FWD and putting down 9's quarter miles. No Sh_t !
The Leon seats are different to the Beeza ones,as are the MK2 and MK3 Beeza seats. I find mine quite hard, Ok though, but not much support from side bolsters on back as they're too small. The MK2 ones look better.
I find them very comfortable and appreciate the under thigh support of the squab.
Originally posted by Toonman
I find them very comfortable and appreciate the under thigh support of the squab.
are you saying your thigh's are large and flabby and need all the support they can get??? :D
Originally posted by ibizacupra
RobT has the right idea and the right approach with his Ibiza Cupra. Stripped out, caged, properly sorted car for track day fun. Not so great as a daily driver, without some loss of comfort.
Whatever the goals, be it out and out drag racing speed, or best track times, you will compromise something. It all dpends on if thats a worry to you or not.
Bill
Cheers matey - absolutely right, a great road car does not make a great track car, there are too many compromises to make to get it good at both, at least with the crap basic design we all start with in a shopping hatchback. Weight is the racers enemy as you say but believe me you really would not want to live with my track car day to day - its a nasty noisy uncomfortable beast - but a LOT of fun for a few hours on track. Think about this hard before anyone goes down this route.
Cheers
Rob
It helps when you're my height and weight. I must confess that as I no longer compete in European Championship rallies, my fitness levels have dropped somewhat.
Tony2Quick4u
26-07-2002, 09:27
R u saying that u have been eating alot of pies lately!! :D
Only joking.
Well anyway back to the point, i am very happy with my car and the speed and torque it produces, so at the end of the day that is all that matters that all of you enjoy and like your cars!
:cheers:
Not as many as I'd like Tony, but more than I should!:)
:cheers:
Tony2Quick4u
26-07-2002, 09:44
Just remember toon man, the power to weight ratio, heavier the car, the slower it goes, that includes the weight of yourself!! :D :D
:cheers:
I just have to make up for it with daring deeds...
pies can't be that good at St James park :D
Mark_349
26-07-2002, 14:25
That corsa you menation wouldnt happen to be white would it? If so and im sure it must be i saw it up at racewars. bloodyhell that thing was quick!
I found it funny when it passed an elise series 2 just about halfway round a corner.... now if only i could have got film of that :)
//\\//\\ark
Mark_349
26-07-2002, 18:04
I wouldnt mind getting me one of them, even if it is a corsa! I think the LSD was making a big difference when it was wet, my mates car was just spinning a wheel!
//\\//\\ark
Not as good as the ones from the Butchers in Bridge of Allan.
Thanks for the post Vibrio... personally I'm not interested in Saxos or Corsa but I am interested in knowing what can be achieved from a FWD car.
My Ibiza is currently has the RSD210 conversion but I seriously want more power... my options are to fork out loads of money on a 300bhp conversion or save a little longer and get an Evo. To be honest a 280bhp Evo doesn't seem that amazing anymore and I like the idea of having a Wolf in sheeps clothing, but I just don't know if its worth it on a front wheel drive car... but if you can get 0-60s of under 5 seconds then it just may be worth it! :)
So, Quaife LSD, Racelogic Traction Control and a 300bhp conversion please.... oh yes!!! :D
Ben
be honest a 280bhp Evo doesn't seem that amazing anymore
4wd, good at 1/4 mile, good at wet road traction, better corning in evo, i would save the extra cash mate!
2wd 300bhp, is going to be a nightmare, knowing you got that power, but get it to road
dave
I'd say just about impossible in day to day driving conditions. Reliability? An Evo will hit 60 in around 5 secs or under, all day, every day...
People said that an Ibiza with 210bhp would be on the limit of driveability.... what a load of rubbish that was. My 210bhp Ibiza is easy to drive and I'm sure it would still be drivable with an extra 90bhp.... especially as the Jabbasport conversion uses a boost controller linked to a speed snesor, so you get less boost at low speeds so as to prevent mad wheelspin. Bill has driven the 350bhp Golf and said that its easy to drive.
As for the Evo, yes of course its going to be better than any Ibiza off the line and in handling, but I don't think it has the raw power to justify the extra cost. My 210bhp Ibiza is only a little slower from 40-100 than an evo, and I'm sure that with a K04 (240bhp) or the IHI (300+bhp) conversion it would easily out accelerate an Evo (Rolling start) in a straight line. of course this wont make the Cupra a better car, but it would be fun on the motorway etc. :)
Ben
Hi Ben
Obviously I've never driven your car, so I can't comment on how yours goes (actually, I'm simply too big to drive any Ibiza).
None of this is any of my business of course and good luck with your project.
:cheers:
but it would be fun on the motorway etc
i enjoy driving on the twisty stuff, more fun :)
Dave,
I agree, but I tend to only take the car near its cornering limits on a track. I drive down country lanes everyday and its really tempting to drive like its a rally, but almost everyday I get a car/bus/lorry coming around a blind bend on my side of the road and I know that had I been giving it some then I wouldn't of had a chance to stop.
There is one roundabout that I slide a little sideways around everyday though, but you can see that its totally clear before you get there so theres no risk of hitting another car or anything.
Ben
car/bus/lorry coming around a blind bend on my side of the road
i know what you mean
dave
i know of one ibiza in my country thats gone through the
KO4 route.(strongest one in the country)
i dont have numbers for you guys but on a weekly basis
on weekend drags this little beeza take out most
scoobies which non are standard
from a rolling start second gear,only match really is 2 scoobies
with nearly 300bhp and this one moded 172 plus NOS.
mind you besides a Ko4 it has other bits and mods.
another Golf GTI with a Ko4 and FMIC at 253bhp but the beeza
goes better with its power/weight ratio.
:cheers:
Hi all!
As you can see I don't own a Seat and this is my first post, I visit this forumn regularly as there seams to be a wealth of info to be had.
anyhoo...
I come form aberdeen and I know this white corsa very well indeed, although I do not know the driver, many people have tried to race it and lost, including myself.
The only mods to the car are the engine, suspension, brakes and a set of white alloys (running semi slicks for 1/4 mile runs at crail).
It really is hard to describe how quick this car is until you see it destroying cars on the road and track, I've seen it beat an escort cossie over the 1/4 mile. Although driver experince will acount for a lot of this.
As for reliablility, AFAIK the conversion was done well over a year ago and it is still going strong.
There is no real point to my post other than to say that if a NA corsa can do 0-60 in under 5 secs then surly these VAG cars of ours can get a 1.8t 20v to do similar.;)
Thats all!
Ian
Originally posted by PoloGLX
There is no real point to my post other than to say that if a NA corsa can do 0-60 in under 5 secs then surly these VAG cars of ours can get a 1.8t 20v to do similar.;)
Is it an NA Corsa? Is it a 2l Cavalier/Calibra Turbo conversion. Has it got a V6 Cavalier/Calibra engine....or even a V6 Turbo/Supercharger. Some people will spend silly amounts on a Corsa/Nova. A phrase along the lines of polishing a turd springs to mind. ;)
Cheers
Andy
It is a NA corsa, it runs throttle bodies on a 2.1 16v engine conversion.
And has he really "polished a turd"??? He's made no attempt to make it look better at all, it is totally standard to look at, which I believe was exactly his intent. It is a true wolf in sheeps clothing.
I am a VAG man through and through but I would love to drive his corsa just for one day to see the look on peoples faces just after they've lost sight of me in the distance!
runs 42 size throttle bodies
ibizacupra
14-08-2002, 22:02
Originally posted by vibrio
runs 42 size throttle bodies
Sounds like SBD or QED bodies...
Nice :D
Light ickle motor that :)
Bill
Originally posted by PoloGLX
And has he really "polished a turd"???
Sorry if I caused offence, it was a tongue in cheek remark. The people around this area in Corsa's drive around in their 1.2's with 17's on (and no suspension drop so they look like offroaders), stereo upgrades that can kill a person at 10 places and generally act like twats in the town centre every night. One almost killed me as it mounted the kerb a few months ago.
I'm sure this car is good and I shouldn't tar everyone with the same brush, that's what Stella does for you.
:cheers:
Andy
Originally posted by djawol
Sorry if I caused offence, it was a tongue in cheek remark. The people around this area in Corsa's drive around in their 1.2's with 17's on (and no suspension drop so they look like offroaders), stereo upgrades that can kill a person at 10 places and generally act like twats in the town centre every night. One almost killed me as it mounted the kerb a few months ago.
I'm sure this car is good and I shouldn't tar everyone with the same brush, that's what Stella does for you.
:cheers:
Andy
lol, no offence taken!
and I do share your dislike for 1.2 corsa's driving along high streets bouncing off their rev-limiters.:D
Originally posted by ibizacupra
Sounds like SBD or QED bodies...
Nice :D
Light ickle motor that :)
Bill
SBD's
Originally posted by PoloGLX
lol, no offence taken!
and I do share your dislike for 1.2 corsa's driving along high streets bouncing off their rev-limiters.:D
nothing wrong with 1.2 corsa's apart from them being dam slow. thats what I started with
Originally posted by vibrio
nothing wrong with 1.2 corsa's apart from them being dam slow. thats what I started with
There's nothing wrong with them til someones bouncing them off the limiter through the centre of a town was my point;)
And I started in a fiesta so I can't talk really...