View Full Version : Forge advice needed?
Steve Ryan
14-03-2006, 15:18
Hi to anyone that would like to answer my question i have recently had the forge O.CT remap and 007P Dv of which i am very happy with, but my question is should i leave the standard spring in the DV or should i change to the yellow spring if so could someone plz tell me where i can get one from and might as well get the service kit at the same time.
Thanks for your time
Steve
CupraSteve
14-03-2006, 15:30
some say its fine to stay on std spring, but im replacing to the yellow anyway, are you getting boost problems? if not i wouldnt bother
Steve Ryan
14-03-2006, 15:46
no boost problem but when i had the revo map i had a bad flat spot which couldn't be sorted.
flashbsd
14-03-2006, 16:05
i think bill runs ihi on standard spring, good enough proof :)
CupraSteve
14-03-2006, 16:27
^^^^
ForgeMotorsport
14-03-2006, 17:38
We generally feel that the green is fine for most applications, even when chipped .
RichardBW
15-03-2006, 11:39
stick with the green.
Steve Ryan
15-03-2006, 13:20
thanks guys
ForgeMotorsport
15-03-2006, 16:11
welcome
DaniCupraR
19-03-2006, 00:26
Hello,
I'm from Portugal and I have a Leon Cupra R 225 with a revo stage 1. Last week I bought a DV 007p but I'm a bit disappointed ! The almost brutal boost I had every time I fully press the accelerator pedal as disappeared and I have now a very civilized boost ...
The impression is that the car is slower in performances and reprises ... Is this normal ? Should I try to change the spring ?
Thank you
traumapat
19-03-2006, 09:12
hi mate. if your getting more lag after chipping as i did then change to yellow but leave it if its ok.
ForgeMotorsport
20-03-2006, 10:56
we find the spring ok on chipeed cars , but you can try the yellow if you wish
DaniCupraR
20-03-2006, 11:00
If so, why has my car lost power / torque ? Do you think that can be a wrong installation ?
Blucupra
20-03-2006, 18:01
I have got an Ibiza MK3 Cupra. I am using the blue spring in my 006 DV.
Am i using the good one or could i better go with an green or yellow spring?
cordobabrendy
20-03-2006, 18:10
if like the 007p the blue spring is overkill, try and get hold of a green or yellow at worst. ive been using yellow from day one with both std and remapped software and its been fine as far as i can tell.
I found the green one to be the best on my relocation kit, but i swapped with someone to try another one, gonna order a green one soon.
ibizacupra
20-03-2006, 22:23
I have got an Ibiza MK3 Cupra. I am using the blue spring in my 006 DV.
Am i using the good one or could i better go with an green or yellow spring?
Blue!!??!?!?!
blimey!
Does it open at all??
mine did'nt
RichardBW
21-03-2006, 09:52
green is the norm and usually the one supplied with a new 007p. Some LCR/TT/S3 customers with software mods have recently gone to yellow to overcome boost spike problems and they seem to get good results in doing this.
Blue and red springs are probably a no-no on 1.8t cars as it will make the valve very difficult to open and probably cause n249 related faults in the ECU memory and maybe limp mode?
If you still have boost loss after trying a green and yellow spring and have also tested that the valve seals ok then it will obviously be down to a leak elsewhere. Check all 4 or 5mm vacuum tubes and also the actuator tube first. If ok then check all the main larger boost pipes.
Blucupra
21-03-2006, 18:12
Blue!!??!?!?!
blimey!
Does it open at all??
mine did'nt
It does open, when i try the vacuum test you need to apply al large amount of pressure to get the valve moving. Had it on for over 2 years. Never had any problems. But i will try the green and yellow spring soon.
:confused: You guys sent me a blue spring for my DV007...Seems to run ok to me, no faults etc
If it was a 'no no' how come Pete sent me a blue?
andycupra
21-03-2006, 18:33
I found the green one to be the best on my relocation kit, but i swapped with someone to try another one, gonna order a green one soon.
does the relocation kit have any effect on the DV at all?
im thinking not, but ill ask anyway!
Personally im finding if i accelerate gently and keep the accelerator set in that position, as the revs rise to about 2,350 rpm the power dies and it feels alot like the DV is dumping. (its an aggressive power loss similair to that you can get if while accelerating you feather the throttle)
When this happens if i dont move the accelerator it can seem confused and go die go die...
other times it hesitates then goes again.
other times it dies then does nothing until i come off the accerator and re-apply it...
ForgeMotorsport
22-03-2006, 09:26
Martyn I cant remember now did you ask for blue ??? or did you get a tuning kit ??
:confused: You guys sent me a blue spring for my DV007...Seems to run ok to me, no faults etc
If it was a 'no no' how come Pete sent me a blue?
ForgeMotorsport
22-03-2006, 09:27
Even with the relocation kit fitted we still go with green shouldnt really effect things.
does the relocation kit have any effect on the DV at all?
im thinking not, but ill ask anyway!
Personally im finding if i accelerate gently and keep the accelerator set in that position, as the revs rise to about 2,350 rpm the power dies and it feels alot like the DV is dumping. (its an aggressive power loss similair to that you can get if while accelerating you feather the throttle)
When this happens if i dont move the accelerator it can seem confused and go die go die...
other times it hesitates then goes again.
other times it dies then does nothing until i come off the accerator and re-apply it...
I just requested a stiffer spring looking back at my e-mails matey.
Any news on the when your next lot of black Ibiza TIPs will be in?
Thanks bud!
DaniCupraR
22-03-2006, 10:13
green is the norm and usually the one supplied with a new 007p. Some LCR/TT/S3 customers with software mods have recently gone to yellow to overcome boost spike problems and they seem to get good results in doing this.
Blue and red springs are probably a no-no on 1.8t cars as it will make the valve very difficult to open and probably cause n249 related faults in the ECU memory and maybe limp mode?
If you still have boost loss after trying a green and yellow spring and have also tested that the valve seals ok then it will obviously be down to a leak elsewhere. Check all 4 or 5mm vacuum tubes and also the actuator tube first. If ok then check all the main larger boost pipes.
I follow you advice and yesterday I changed to the yellow spring ... And I have full power again !!! The car returned to normal !!! :funk: :funk:
Thank you all !
ForgeMotorsport
22-03-2006, 14:44
More stock coming first week of April but gotta tell you that they are already going fast , dealers and retail guys are on the back order list and we are already placing orders for the next batch , but if you get in now you should be ok , we currently have engine codes AQX & AYP covered , let me know if you wish to be added to the back order list
I just requested a stiffer spring looking back at my e-mails matey.
Any news on the when your next lot of black Ibiza TIPs will be in?
Thanks bud!
Stick me on the list for a black TIP for the engine code 'AYP' please :)
Something Martyn and myself have been discussing has brought something to my attention.
http://www.seatcupra.net/gallery/main.php?g2_view=core.ShowItem&g2_itemId=2171
Is the AQX hose identical to that pictured or is the one pictured there a 'pre-production' hose? Mine has a metal bottom breather connector and a metal n75 pipe?
The pressed hose clamps used to clamp the silicone to the metal are fouling my rocker cover breather hoses just wondering if Ive received another model by mistake?
Seems very very very tight around the 90* bend into the turbo mouth too.
CupraSteve
22-03-2006, 16:31
also i ordered a spring valve tuning kit and received a bunch of well used springs, there was hardly any colour left on them, thought they were gonna be new, is there any problem with these in the state they are in?
Blucupra
22-03-2006, 17:36
So can a blue one be used in an DV006 or could i better go for an green or yellow spring?
Sometimes my car holds back at arond 3.500 r/pm. Could this be caused by the spring i am using?
ForgeMotorsport
22-03-2006, 17:44
Martyn
please PM me with all details again , address , CC ,etc and we will put you on the list sir
thank you
Stick me on the list for a black TIP for the engine code 'AYP' please :)
ForgeMotorsport
22-03-2006, 17:51
I can assure you 100% that you have not received any used springs , every spring we send out is brand new
I am sure you can appreciate we use 1000s and 1000s of these springs and they all arrive from the manufacturers painted .
Now the qulaity of paint varies as they are in a box and spray painted , then they shake the box to move them around and spray some more , not ideal I agree but it would be a royal pain to spray paint each and every spring 100%.
So what you have is new spring kit that was quite simply lower in the box than the top ones , IE a lighter colour or less paint .
I will ask the spring guys to try harder
also i ordered a spring valve tuning kit and received a bunch of well used springs, there was hardly any colour left on them, thought they were gonna be new, is there any problem with these in the state they are in?
CupraSteve
22-03-2006, 18:06
I can assure you 100% that you have not received any used springs , every spring we send out is brand new
I am sure you can appreciate we use 1000s and 1000s of these springs and they all arrive from the manufacturers painted .
Now the qulaity of paint varies as they are in a box and spray painted , then they shake the box to move them around and spray some more , not ideal I agree but it would be a royal pain to spray paint each and every spring 100%.
So what you have is new spring kit that was quite simply lower in the box than the top ones , IE a lighter colour or less paint .
I will ask the spring guys to try harder
100% deffo used, il post a pic, theres even wear marks on the tops and bottoms where they have been in valves, and the paint is worn off on the insides where the spring will have been under use in a valve
heres two of them
http://www.stevejwilliams.f2s.com/spring.jpg
not all that bothered just thought they would be new
oh and they didnt come in a box, they were in a plastic bag in a padded envelope
traumapat
22-03-2006, 18:55
same when i got the yellow spring.... hard to see the yellow.... almost painted as an after thought but i guess its just to identify them.
yellow spring cured my lag i got after chip.:thumbup:
CupraSteve
22-03-2006, 19:50
yup i aint really fussed lol, fitted the yelow one to mine too!
I'm gonna get a green spring soon i reckon.
ForgeMotorsport
23-03-2006, 07:41
Phil
let me know ill sort it
I'm gonna get a green spring soon i reckon.
CupraSteve
23-03-2006, 07:42
it should alady have a green spring
ForgeMotorsport
23-03-2006, 07:46
Guess I'm like dog with a bone on this one and cant let it go .
The flat tops ( wear marks ) you see on the springs are from the surface grinding that takes place when the springs are manufactured . this is so they sit flat and sqaure in the valves ,
There is NO WAY we use or send out used springs its simply not worth it , any damaged or returned products are destroyed by cutting them through .
If there is no paint inside the spring this is because your springs will have been lower in the box , nothing to do with the use .
100% deffo used, il post a pic, theres even wear marks on the tops and bottoms where they have been in valves, and the paint is worn off on the insides where the spring will have been under use in a valve
heres two of them
http://www.stevejwilliams.f2s.com/spring.jpg
not all that bothered just thought they would be new
oh and they didnt come in a box, they were in a plastic bag in a padded envelope
CupraSteve
23-03-2006, 08:45
oh reet fair enough, they just look it thats all, like i said im not fussed, a spring is a spring
Phil
let me know ill sort it
Ooh cool, cheers peter, wil call you today. :D
Blucupra
03-04-2006, 18:21
Could anyone let me know what spring is best for an Forge DV006 valve.
Currently i am using an blue spring. Should i stick with this one or could i better go for an green or yellow one?
Jeffrey
ForgeMotorsport
03-04-2006, 18:32
The 006 is assembled with the blue spring and should be ok for your application
Could anyone let me know what spring is best for an Forge DV006 valve.
Currently i am using an blue spring. Should i stick with this one or could i better go for an green or yellow one?
Jeffrey
Blucupra
03-04-2006, 20:25
The 006 is assembled with the blue spring and should be ok for your application
Thanks for the reply :D
Jeffrey
Got hold of a green spring now, now i want to go back to a yellow one, seemed better and the logs looked better as well.
Shall i just call up peter to get one or can i PM you my details?
Cheers
Phil.
ForgeMotorsport
24-04-2006, 07:39
PM me mate