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Steve3961
13-10-2001, 22:05
I went to the track day at castle coombes and spoke to the chaps at AMD and RSD. Both seemed to have a vast knowlage about the 20VT lump we all love. Both company's offer the same power for the same price (210 BHP) although threw different means. AMD said a chip and exhaust is all thats required whereas RSD have a quite comprehensive amount of parts required. The RSD chip is souldered on the ecu whereas the AMD one is a rolling road re-map, the latter sounding better to me. any one had any problems with either? which is best?
RSD will be SEATCupra.net's approved Sport Dealer. Just like Amethyst is the Preferred SEAT dealer.
Why? Cos we have found these companies in particular to go out of their way to give help advice and a great all round service.
Unless you no different.
:)
Steve3961
13-10-2001, 22:25
Originally posted by Cupraman
RSD will be SEATCupra.net's approved Sport Dealer. Just like Amethyst is the Preferred SEAT dealer.
Why? Cos we have found these companies in particular to go out of their way to give help advice and a great all round service.
Unless you no different.
:)
I have had conversations with both company's and both come across very well. I have had dealings with AMD at work and have always been suitibly impressed with the quality of work and the drivabilty afterwards. I have little or no experience with RSD other than today and on the phone a couple of times. has anyone had a AMD conversion?
chungster
14-10-2001, 13:30
Steve, Lee here (I spoke to you at CC).
Well, quite a lot of RSD 210 owners are now on this site.
Why, i dunno, but i guess most people like the 3 year warranty that comes with the Oettinger conversion. And i dunno who on this site (apart from one infrequent visitor) has a AmD chipped Ibiza Cupra to be honest. They said they've done loads, but none of them are on this site for some reason.
Oettinger chip runs the turbo at a lower boost level than AmD.
Why? Because Oettinger knows the limit of the K03 turbo. And so runs (most of the time) at 12psi.
The exhaust supplied with the RSD conversion will also have a smaller bore than the AmD one.
Why? Because AmD runs more boost, it needs a bigger bore pipe to get rid of the stuff.
RSD uses a bigger Intake pipe to the turbo, as the std one is restricted.
I'm very happy with the conversion. No problems whatsoever.
But at the end of the day, its really upto you what you do to your Imported Cupra.
BYE
Lee
I'm not
This may be the case Lee, but i can tell you now this conversion is far from perfect. The Leon is still hesitating under acceleration and no-one seems to know why. Even the amazing lads at RSD , seem rather quiet on the subject.
Now im very happy with my conversion the car is amazing as anyone whos had this will also vouch for, and i wouldn't like to put anyone off going for such a conversion.
But there is an inherrant problem with this hesitation, and i think if Oettinger are as a good as they say they are, then its about time they get to the bottom of this problem and find out why this is happening.
Whether its related to a faulty sensor or a problem in the ECU software, the car is overboosting to the point where its causing a loss of power when it automatically shuts off.
I like how you mention the boost levels (most of the time) as im sure your aware the Oettinger boosts up into the region of 17psi on initial acceleration, slightly more i believe than the AmD conversion, but then the software seem to revert back to a lower level to prevent melting the turbo. If this is the case why do this anyway.
If it cant' take that level of boost why do it in the first place seems a bit daft, even on the AmD conversion, but maybe this is a trait of the VAG software both conversions are based on.
Now if Oettinger do offer this 3 year warranty its about time they started giving a difinitive reason as to why cars are hesistating, instead of hearing several different theorys which all contradict each other.
Ive had this conversion since July and its getting a bit tiresome that you cant get the full potential out of the car.
chungster
14-10-2001, 18:32
Mark,
I know you have a problem at the mo...and tomorrow, i will remind Tony of it (again).
But you did say it was doing it BEFORE the conversion anyway, so it might not all be down to the Oettinger chip.
If the problem can't be solved in the Uk, i'm sure Oettinger will not mind sending one of their technicians over here to sort it out.
If i had a problem, and RSD couldn't fix it, i would expect Oettinger to come over and sort it too!
Because the Oettinger chip (like the AmD chip in a way) still retains much of the original ECU settings, this overboost my well be part of the original design. I spoke to Swinny from Amethyst about it, and he says the std ones do it too!! I can't recall if mine did it in std trim, but yesterday out on track, i was flying thru each gear with no probs.
But like i say, i'd like RSD to solve your problem as much as you do.
Thats why we paid extra for the warranty.
Lee
Yes it did, but not as much as it does now. So it does seem to point to a problem with the VAG software in general.
Its recently had its first service by the guys at Amethyst as well as some visual mods :) They didnt seem to find anything wrong, but its only apparent if you really start to floor it, and i know those guys were too nice to go and give it a thrashing :)
Im just making it clear though to people that it isnt all as clear cut as some people make it out to be, there is an apparent problem whether thats a VAG issue or not, RSD and Oettinger as well as AmD owe it to their customers to try and get to the bottom of it or at least give us a difinitive answer.
Or if it cant be fixed, make peoiple aware of it, otherwise as these conversions get more and more popular as they have been doing they may end up with complaints rather than just the odd person venting some frustrations as i have done.
I outline i am happy with my chip and by know means am i pointing a finger, but my frustration is now causing me to ask more questions, and the amswers aren't forth coming, RSD have been very good to me and i wouldnt want that to change, but I would also like to make my car do what is supposed to, and if i step on someones toes then so be it.
ibizacupra
14-10-2001, 20:13
Originally posted by ZBOYD
Yes it did, but not as much as it does now. So it does seem to point to a problem with the VAG software in general.
Its recently had its first service by the guys at Amethyst as well as some visual mods :) They didnt seem to find anything wrong, but its only apparent if you really start to floor it, and i know those guys were too nice to go and give it a thrashing :)
Im just making it clear though to people that it isnt all as clear cut as some people make it out to be, there is an apparent problem whether thats a VAG issue or not, RSD and Oettinger as well as AmD owe it to their customers to try and get to the bottom of it or at least give us a difinitive answer.
Or if it cant be fixed, make peoiple aware of it, otherwise as these conversions get more and more popular as they have been doing they may end up with complaints rather than just the odd person venting some frustrations as i have done.
I outline i am happy with my chip and by know means am i pointing a finger, but my frustration is now causing me to ask more questions, and the amswers aren't forth coming, RSD have been very good to me and i wouldnt want that to change, but I would also like to make my car do what is supposed to, and if i step on someones toes then so be it.
i would love to know whether the hesitancy you get is boost related or something else. I think boost is most likely from my own experience on my 210 ibiza. There are drops at times for no real reason.... 5psi as I have said on other posts. What causes this is still a mystery. I too want to get to understand what the mechanism is for these drops in power for no apparent reason.
i had a long chat with Danny last Wednesday when we were fitting the Bilsteins, and it is unclear as to what can control back to 5psi, if that is your problem. I'm guessing it is.
Can you make it do it at will? or is it an intermittent fault?
If I can get some info on the measurement blocks in the ECU codes, I can run datalog on my VAG-COM software and catch the event to determin what the cause is.
anyone know who can get me this info? >Swinny?
regards
Bill
Yup it is mainly intermittant a low speeds, but everytime you really open it up in any gear it finds trouble in accelerating.
Its quick no doubting that, but its always feeling as if its holding back, as if its got loads more to give, but its as if something is throttling it back, not allowing it to get up to full pelt so to speak.
ibizacupra
14-10-2001, 20:32
Originally posted by ZBOYD
Yup it is mainly intermittant a low speeds, but everytime you really open it up in any gear it finds trouble in accelerating.
Its quick no doubting that, but its always feeling as if its holding back, as if its got loads more to give, but its as if something is throttling it back, not allowing it to get up to full pelt so to speak.
i would say its worth getting a boost guage fitted to it, even temporarily to see if this is the "x" factor.
I'm sorry to say though, the only way probably to work this out is on a rolling road to actually determin the problem under load. AmD are the only ones who are equipped with this, which is a problem with RSD & it being an Oettinger chip.
RSD should be able to get Oettinger to replace the chip if it is faulty in some way. they receive them pre-blown so it is conceivable that there "might" be a very small programming error, which does'nt trigger the ECU into a general fault. They should be checksum'd from Oettinger to prevent this, but there's always a first time.
AmD are intimate with the code, as they themselves modify it and they are in the UK.
Difficult choice with it being an Oettinger chip though.
Bill
Mine does the same as Zboyds, without a conversion. The only thing that cured it for about 3 weeks was a new Air mass meter
chungster
14-10-2001, 21:48
Shaggy,
Excellent new forum by the way, looks the business!
Anyway, so you saying the "flatspot" has come back again even with the new MAF sensor in place?
OK, what mods have you done to it? If any....
Did you get the Forge dumper put in??
Something is not right here, but Swinny was saying to me this thing happens in bog std straight from the factory 20VT's too.
I think Seat UK should really anwser this.
I might post on Club GTI and Club Audi sites to see if there 20VT owners are experiencing such problems.
They might be a good idea to see if other 20VT owners have the problem.
NO modifications have been done to the car, I might just get a Forge dump valve fitted to see if that makes a differnce.
Personnaly I think (or though I am by no means an expert) it has something to do with heat.
Its runs fine first things, slows when it gets hot.
I have had similar problems with my Ibiza Cupra with RSD 210 conversion (See "Mega Flat Spot!!! Help"). Initially there was a flat spot at about 3500rpm which is normal for a new car as the engine is tight, but then after about 500 miles I was getting an intermitent problem which meant that the car accelerated upto about 3250rpm and then just suddenly stopped accelerating (Like a rev limiter.). The car would then refuse to accelerate without first taking your foot off the accelerate and reapplying it!
The problem was so bad at one point that I couldn't overtake my friend in his 1.4 Fiat Tipo... and he wasn't even trying to race me!
Someone from an Audi garage said that they have seen very similar problems on Audi TTs but didn't give full details of what the cause was.
Haven't seen the problem for a while now and hopefully its gone for good... touch wood.
I'd really like to see whats going on when these problems occur. Is it possible to attach a computer to the ECU whilst on a rolling road and capture in realtime what the computer is doing?
Ben
Their certainely seems to be some kind of problem, of that I am certain. As you no my car is unmodded and so was Zboyds when he first had the same kind of trouble.
Let me be the first to volenteer my car to somebody to come up with a soloution.
I am not blamming anyone here for the problems I have got, I know (working with PC's) that intermintant faults can be hard to trace, I think somebody needs to take a car or to and have a tinker.
I've had the same problems on mine (AmD remap and Bailey Recirc' dump valve).
It would seem that it is a VAG problem and not down to specific tuning problems. Mine will spool up to about 14-15 psi and then drop to 5 psi for about 5 seconds and then spool up again. It happens in 2nd gear on mine most of the time.
I have got a boost gauge fitted so the numbers above are correct. Could 5 psi be a factory set "emergency cut off level" for overboosting or similar?
I never experienced it until about a month ago when the colder weather was about. Could it be related to air temp (denser air going into the intake chamber etc)?
Worse thing is, I have one of those really helpful dealers that say "you shouldn't have done that (remap etc) and they've done this when they should have....blah blah blah!)
Certainly sounds like some kind of emergency default, but couldn't someone reprogram this to something like 10psi as that should be safe enough?
I'm surpised that RSD and AMD haven't some across this problem in there tests. Does anyone know if they are planning on investigating the problem by trying to reproduce it whilst connected to a computer or are people just going to continue to through theories around? (No disrespect to anyone.).
As a computer programmer I would of though it would be fairly simple (Given the right equiptment) to work out what the engine is doing and why. I could be wrong though as I know nothing about cars.
Ben
ibizacupra
15-10-2001, 14:29
Originally posted by topboss
I've had the same problems on mine (AmD remap and Bailey Recirc' dump valve).
It would seem that it is a VAG problem and not down to specific tuning problems. Mine will spool up to about 14-15 psi and then drop to 5 psi for about 5 seconds and then spool up again. It happens in 2nd gear on mine most of the time.
I have got a boost gauge fitted so the numbers above are correct. Could 5 psi be a factory set "emergency cut off level" for overboosting or similar?
I never experienced it until about a month ago when the colder weather was about. Could it be related to air temp (denser air going into the intake chamber etc)?
Worse thing is, I have one of those really helpful dealers that say "you shouldn't have done that (remap etc) and they've done this when they should have....blah blah blah!)
5psi - Must be the default pressure for the wastegate actuator. The ECU controls the boost by controlling the feed to the actuator, so either its the control device or the ECU triggering based on a signal it receives about pressure (MAP sensor). 5psi is also the control when TCS is on and active. coincidence???
I have heard about an AMAL valve being used to control boost pressure, as this is effectively a programmable "leak" which bleeds boost our to control the actuator & overall boost pressure. I don't know if the 20VT has this sort of device or not.
I spoke to RSD about this, and there were blanks drawn at the time. AmD or Jabbasport should be able to answer as they map their own ECU's, so should know what controls what and how. Oettinger should also be able to answer this easily. They are very familiar with the motors after all and very close to VAG.
Bill
Scoobster
15-10-2001, 14:34
Hi guyz,
I don't think it is a problem with just chipped cars.
I have complained about what seemed to be 'lag' on my standard cupra since I got it. I just assumed that they are supposed to build boost and then go for it.
Mine use to do it bad in second gear, foot to the floor and it would do nothing and then suddenly it would appear as if it had built up the boost and then rocket you forwards. This I am taking to be fairly genuine turbo lag, however....
I have recently mentioned on a couple of occasions that I think my DV is shafted, as my car seems to feel sluggish. It still goes believe you me, but it just doesn't have that spark 100% of the time. Sometimes it feels as though it is struggling to pull in 2nd and it isn't as 'snappy' as it use to be. I am guessing that it could be something to do with the DV as that would explain it if the dv was leaking. I am at a bit of a loss and don't know of any way to see if my car is indeed struggling without putting on a boost gauge which I don't want to do as I like the interior as it is and uncluttered.
I am taking my car into the dealers for a few 'fixes' to squeeks next week so I was thinking about asking them if they can look at the DV for me? although I am unsure if they will be able to tell if there is anything wrong with it? I hope you guys get your RSD'd cars sorted as it is a shame that you are having problems after the price you pay for a validated chip (TUV'd).
I keep looking on in anticipation that someone comes up with a reason for the 'lag' and 'sluggishness' in acceleration and hope that we all get 'our' problems sorted at some point soon.
Cheers..
Russell_Hayward
15-10-2001, 16:56
Sounds to me like a problem with the stock map. Subarus have a problem with flat spots on 98-99MY, basically it was modified on these cars due to emission legislation, and they did a poor job.
My car did it when new(beezer cupra), but it seemed to disappear after 1500 miles.
Interestingly, after having Magnatec oil in the car today, it feels less inclined to pull. I have had this problem before with a Nissan 200sx. I used Mobil 1 oil for interim oil changes between services. When it went to the dealer and they put in Castol semi synth, it fely like driving with brakes on.
Anyone know what oil is in these cars from the factory ??
I would be surpirsed if the chips are causing the problem. They may be exaggerating them due to the higher boost now being used.
Does anyone know what parameters are changed in the Chips ?
My guess is fuelling/timing are unchanged and they just raise the boost pressure and boost limit.
Russ
ibizacupra
15-10-2001, 17:12
Originally posted by ELO2@BTINTERNET.COM
Sounds to me like a problem with the stock map. Subarus have a problem with flat spots on 98-99MY, basically it was modified on these cars due to emission legislation, and they did a poor job.
My car did it when new(beezer cupra), but it seemed to disappear after 1500 miles.
Interestingly, after having Magnatec oil in the car today, it feels less inclined to pull. I have had this problem before with a Nissan 200sx. I used Mobil 1 oil for interim oil changes between services. When it went to the dealer and they put in Castol semi synth, it fely like driving with brakes on.
Anyone know what oil is in these cars from the factory ??
I would be surpirsed if the chips are causing the problem. They may be exaggerating them due to the higher boost now being used.
Does anyone know what parameters are changed in the Chips ?
My guess is fuelling/timing are unchanged and they just raise the boost pressure and boost limit.
Russ
I would hope they do adjust the fuel and ignition timing to go with the raised boost. More boost, more fuel, and in the extreme, less ignition advance.
regards
Bill
Russell_Hayward
15-10-2001, 21:16
Bill
Sorry I didn't make myself clear.
What I meant was, the stock ECU adjusts these on the fly anyway within set parameters.
Trouble is if you are rasing the boost pressure, can the MAP provide enough fuelling and/or timing retardation to enable the engine to run safely ?
Hence my question on what the Remapped chip actually does.
Hi All,
I don't know if this will muddy the waters but...
A work colleague of mine had a similar problem with his standard 1.8T Leon Cupra. He took it into his dealership and while explaining the problem to the service manager, they called over one of the techs who'd just returned from a training course.
This guy said that this was a common problem which had been discussed during his course and apparently the cause of the problem was a knock sensor. My colleague isn't very technical re. cars so I couldn't get any better info but after 3 months of waiting he finally got a new sensor under warranty and the problem has vanished.
Hope this helps?
Regards,
Glenn.
ibizacupra
16-10-2001, 08:23
Originally posted by ELO2@BTINTERNET.COM
Bill
Sorry I didn't make myself clear.
What I meant was, the stock ECU adjusts these on the fly anyway within set parameters.
Trouble is if you are rasing the boost pressure, can the MAP provide enough fuelling and/or timing retardation to enable the engine to run safely ?
Hence my question on what the Remapped chip actually does.
I would be interested to know how the mapping is structured in the ECU. They run MAF definately, fly by wire, which will be throttle angle, they must have MAP input also, and have crank trigger which is rpm input. As an example of othe ECU's which I have used, the DTA system runs rpm vs throttle angle with MAP being a compensation on fuel an ignition with rising rate. Haltech, which I have used only a little at this time (on a 1.8T) has the option of running rpm vs throttle angle or rpm vs MAP sensor input. This builds the maps for fuelling and ignition.
The mention of the knock sensor on a later post could well be a "ping" wind back the boost for a moment trigger perhaps, although this does sound very abrupt for what has to be an advanced ECU. Usually, if a "ping" is heard the advance is retarded on n/a cars, so on a turbo it would make sense to reduce boost at that moment also.
I am gonig to dig deeper into this, as there are an awefull lot of unanswered questions.
Bill
Bill,
If you want some info about measuring blocks then call in and we will go through book.
ibizacupra
16-10-2001, 12:00
Originally posted by SWINNY
Bill,
If you want some info about measuring blocks then call in and we will go through book.
Cheers Graham...
Will do.
How about after 4:30pm today.... Is this Ok with you?
got to sort out the ABS ring also and talk about the steering wheel.... etc
cheers chap.
Bill
:)
The following was told to me by a VERY reliable source, but I have yet to get confirmed written figures to back this up, but as soon as I have them I will post them up here for everyone.
From standard the 1.8T fitted to the Ibiza and the Leon (but not the VW's or Audis) has got a different ECU program to any others. It has been deliberately programmed to overboost at 3000 rpm, then the ECU backs the power off, then it will spool the turbo back up to normal speed.
The reason they say that this has been done is to give a surge of power for overtaking. I cannot remember the exact figures for the standard cars boost levels, but in the AMD & Oettinger conversions the turbo overboosts to 14.7 psi on the AMD chip, and 15psi on the Oettinger chip, then both of them settle down to about 12psi.
This is why that most people, with standard or modified cars have come across a sudden loss of power at 3000 rpm or just above, as the turbo is been told by the ECU to shutdown. Another common problem that seems to be appearing with the 1.8T is the wastegate actuators, but for some reason, if one has to be replaced, you have to replace the whole turbo as well, they come as one, you cannot buy the actuator seperately.
SEAT say that this is how the engine has been setup in the Ibiza/Leon, and there are no plans to change how the engine works, so I suggest to people that if you are unhappy with the way the engine performs, then get pen to paper and complain, if they get enough bad feedback, they may put it to how it should be.
Also contary to what has been posted on here, the AMD chip does not put anymore boost through the turbo than most other conversions on the market (Oettinger, ABT, MTM etc), most of them are all within a half psi as you can see from the figures above.
John B, in Stoke-on-Trent.... that would be John Burton of SJBSport then??? Welcome to the forum John... I hope you haven't taken offence that I bought an Ibiza from Amethyst rather than from yourself. In the end my old car died and I needed an new one quick and Amethyst had one that they could get the next day!!!!
Bill, John, would it not be possible to override this functionality in the ECU, or even use an ECU from a Golf/Audi?
Ben
Thats me mate. Not a problem at all.
To be honest I doubt very much that one taken from the Golf/A3 would work, but no-one has really tried it, so I wouldnt say 100% no, but I would say at least 99.9% no it won't work.
I own my car 17 months now. Here is a list of its behavior that may help (may not) this conversation. I apologise if it doesn't.
Ibiza Before chip
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1) Many times, the car's behavior was like the TCS was ON even though I turned it OFF.
2) Sometimes the car behaved like it had a rpm limiter, not at 6800 rpms but at about 5500 rpm!!! When did this happened? When the water temperature was at 90 Celsium and the oil temperature between 90 and 100 Celsium AND: it was the first time that I stepped on it since it was cold. It accelerated like a beast (it was not a normal accelaration) until the rpm went at about 5500 and then stopped suddenly (as if the rpm was 6800)!!! After this, when I stepped on it again it behaved normally (6800 rpm limiter) but the acceleration was much slower than normal (as if the ECU choosed a different slower "avance" or / and less turbo pressure).
3) Manytimes when the rpm went up to the limit (6800) then, when after a few seconds or minutes I was trying to full accelerate again, it DID NOT accelerate at all, but when I pressed half way my foot it did accelerate (slowly but it did)!!!! If I pressed again my foot for full acceleration, it did not accelerate at all!!!
4) When the oil temperature went near 115 Celsium the acceleration was not so good. It was like 5% to 10% less which I thing is normal. Maybe the ECU protects the motor detecting oil temperature or air temperature.
I asked SEAT about all these and
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For problem no 1, Seat told me to switch the TCS ON and OFF when car wheels are stopped. After this, problem no 1 never happened again.
For problems no 2 and 3, Seat told me that they probably are protections of the ECU.
For problem no 4, Seat told me that it is normal.
Ibiza after chip, exhaust, Forge dump valve, modified airbox
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1) Never (I already new the trick for TCS)
2) Never
3) Never
4) The same
After the chip, when the TCS is ON the car behaves better but I think this is because of the increased power.
Comments or questions.
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If problems no 2 and 3 were bugs of the normal ECU program, then, the chip except increased power, offered me improved program, driving pleasure e.t.c.
If there were not bugs but protections over stupid driver attitude, then the chip removed these protections?
Thanks :)
chungster
16-10-2001, 18:31
Oh well, was gonna post something about this, but JB's got in there first!
So there you have it. But i also heard that the problem will occur on Leons more than Ibiza's! Weird that......
So..at this moment in time...it can't be fixed! DOH!
Isn't the Leon turbo bigger?
Maybe that's why it's more noticable.
Incidentally, it would be interesting to see what AmD's reponse is (as pointed out that RSD are not sure) or Oettinger, but my german sucks.
I guess a remap is essentially a look up table program where the ECU *see's* a lower figure than it actually is. thus allowing more boost. but it's going to be reliant on a decent boost level to start with.
the only trouble i can see with this is that the boost will abjust by a given factor & not be able to smooth it out.
So. Someone just go buy a fully mappable ECU for 3.5k & let us know IF it works.
-Joke-
Mark:devil:
chungster
16-10-2001, 21:23
RSD told me ages ago that it was an ECU/Knock sensor problem..which is part of the original ECU design (like JB says).
Cos AmD and Oettinger chips both retain a fair amount of the original stuff...thats why on modded machines they will still get it.
Mine doesn't do it to the extent that it bothers me....and it never once stopped me from thrashing the crap out of it on saturday at CC.
It happens on some cars...and not on others.
Is it worth buying a MoTeC fully mappable ECU....just to solve this little problem...i don't think so.
ibizacupra
16-10-2001, 21:34
Originally posted by chungster
RSD told me ages ago that it was an ECU/Knock sensor problem..which is part of the original ECU design (like JB says).
Is it worth buying a MoTeC fully mappable ECU....just to solve this little problem...i don't think so.
Motec - Pah! You want DTA not Motec... :)
£550+vat for EXP48 ecu
£825+vat for P8Pro ecu with traction control, launch control, antilag, 8 injectors etc etc etc datalogging etc etc etc blah blah you get the idea........ the works.
Going to be using the P8Pro on my turbo Scirocco project :)
Bill
chungster
16-10-2001, 22:09
Blooody hell Bill....how many cars are you gonna have????
16V throttle Bodies Jetta, 210 ibiza Turbo...now a Scirocco Turbo with 8 injectors...and a couple of Nitrous bottles too i suppose!!!
WICKED!
ibizacupra
17-10-2001, 08:46
Originally posted by chungster
Blooody hell Bill....how many cars are you gonna have????
16V throttle Bodies Jetta, 210 ibiza Turbo...now a Scirocco Turbo with 8 injectors...and a couple of Nitrous bottles too i suppose!!!
WICKED!
I've got a MK1 Gti to give away also at the moment too.
Its like NCP car parks at my house :)
Want to buy a 1985 MK1 Golf 1600 GL Cabriolet, Red, new hood, Scala Alloys, new tyres, exhaust, long MOT, cheap insurance, looks like a Gti, Jamex -40mm suspension. My wifes car for the last 9 years. New(ish) Lupo coming so it has to go. Very good condition. £2650ono. Tel: 01453 828835 ask for Jan.
The Scirocco should be the car the Jetta never was = light! with a lot more power all being well.
regards
Bill
:)
Bill,
Have you won the lottery or something?
;)
Ben
here's a blast from the past!
zboyd, bill, bens1 etc. did you ever get to the bottom of your hesitation problems??
was it a prob with oettinger or the engine in general?
i've had my oettinger chip for 18 months now and i'm getting tired of the hesitation at 4000rpm, so much so that i'm thinking about reverting to the original program and then looking at remaps offered by other companies
Hi Jerry,
This is an old thread. My last message on this thread is particularly amusing to me for reasons that I cannot reveal ATM. ;)
As for the hesitation.... I never did anything to fix it. It just got less and less frequent and now it never does it (Touch wood)! I would be interested in a technical explaination on why it was happening and how it could gradually go away by itself, but I guess I'll never get one!
Bills now got the IHI turbo upgrade with a Jabba map and AFAIK he never gets hesitation. I don't know if the hesitation on his car stopped before he changed turbo and chip or not.... I guess he can tell us when he gets back from his hols.
Ben
RSD. :-o ..walk away dude.
You heard of the saying talk the talk but not walk the walk!
Enough said.
my colleague reckons he spoke to bill yesterday about revoing his passat so i guess he's back
i do hope someone got to the bottom of it before changing their map / turbo / whole car!
zip, it's kinda late now, got it chipped 18 months ago before i discovered this forum :(
Well I haven't changed mine yet (Latter this month). I'm still running the Oettinger chip and the hesitation problem has gradually faded away, and I don't get it anymore.
Bill has his mobile with him and is still taking work calls, except on one day this week which is his anniversary.... he has been 'told' that he has to keep the phone turned off on that day! :D
Ben
ben are you getting a new car or ihi?
if the latter do you have your original chip? will jabba be able to remap it whilst it's got oettinger chip in there?