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Turbosun
06-09-2002, 15:20
I just bought a TDI 130 Ibiza in Ovni Yellow. This thing goes like hell (I raced a Golf TDI 150 and best it). It also handles very well too.
I agree with some comments thats the dash material is a little cheap but I can live with that for the great engine and handling.
Even Max Power magazine!! rated this car very well.
Tine to chip it up to 165 BHP and 266 Ft/Lbs of torque.
Simon
Glad you're enjoying your car turbosun
Fancy bringing it to Alconbury for a bit of fun in November?
Yeah... bring it...then I can race you....:D
:cheers:
Do let us know if you get it chipped! Never done it before, but I am thinking about getting my 130 done.
Get a tuning box put into the thing pronto. My friend has a A4 130pd put the box in and it came out with 181bhp. Hard to believe I know but she put out 157bhp at the wheels on a Sun rolling road. My friend is diesel Mad and he say's a bad 130 is making 130 but most make above 140bhp. The audi hits the govenor in top gear no probs - 141mph.
Because the gearing is so high in 6th in the ibiza that sounds interesting!
Which tuning box?
Beware!! Add on boxes such as Tuning box are not a good long term power increase. They dont adjust all perameters of fueling, injection timing etc, so can produce more smoke than a remap, plus can cause long term problems.
Turbosun
12-09-2002, 21:20
TDI110
I think actually that the tuning boxes will not do any harm and this is according to Van Aken tuning who have considerable experience in this field. Sure there will be minor differences from engine to engine but the good boxes are capable or "learning" so will adjust automatically. More harm comes from ULSD than tuning boxes.
The TDI 110 is a nice engine, smooth and refined but with the PD130 after the box is fitted power will be around 170 bhp with massive torque, the 110 won't even get near, chipped or otherwise.
Simon
Damn you all for wetting my apetite I have been waiting for 6 weeks now to get my new beezer I still haven't even seen a 130 in person. I have a pile of new stereo gear and a wad of cash to pay van aaken for a remap or box . With luck It'll be completed by november 1st.
Still wating ................
I picked my tdi130 sport up tonight. Like it so far, although the glovebox needs replacing, 2 door panel rattle and the stereo is in "SAFE" mode. But I got 48mpg coming home :D even though I touched 100mph at a couple of points.
APR think that their chip should do about 180bhp in this car.
Nice one DaveP!!!
Did you buy from a dealer? I think I've struck a deal for £12,750 on a yellow model as long as it's registered this week, if not that one then got to wait until Xmas or later.
Also seen UK spec imports for £11,999 in Hull, they are due in this week, but pre-registered in the supplying dealers name.
What is the best deal do you think?
Mike.
I paid £12,900 with mudflaps. So that is a good price. There was a second hand red one in Warminster with about 2k miles and they wanted £12,500 for that. Problem is that they literally seem to have only 1 or 2 left so the price will be a little higher because of that.
I managed to buy mine yesterday on credit card :D least I get another £120 from the credit card company.
Oh and I got 41mpg for my first 100 miles.
Oh (again) whoever decided that a blue car should have yellow surrounds around the dials should be sacked.
Aye, yellow is not so good!! (Although it's probably acceptable on a yellow car).
Well I've taken the plunge and done it this afternoon, I'm hoping that the car will retain more than an import so maybe it's worth the extra money.
I had an interesting chat with the dealer yesterday, who stated that whilst they would be perfectly happy to undertake warranty work on an import, when it came to a courtesy car they would politely refuse, whereas if you bought your car from them it wouldn't be a problem. Fair enough I think.
Extreme blue would have been my next choice but none available. I don't think the metallic colours suit the car as much. These cars are rare, Motorpoint are getting some in around Xmas but they're all sold, March at least for the next batch. Apparently it's the high demand for the engine and 'box from all the manufacturers.
Is the stereo any good, been thinking about an MP3 player?
Rage, where are you getting your car from, seems a long wait.
Mike.
Robertio
24-09-2002, 19:19
Originally posted by mikiew
I had an interesting chat with the dealer yesterday, who stated that whilst they would be perfectly happy to undertake warranty work on an import, when it came to a courtesy car they would politely refuse, whereas if you bought your car from them it wouldn't be a problem. Fair enough I think.
How can that be fair enough? :mad: They are obligued under European law to treat a Euro import exactly the same as a UK car. If they would treat a car sourced from another UK dealer the same as a Euro import, then fair enough, but otherwise, nope.
BTW, my 130 is due to be made the week beginning 14th October (been on order for the last 3 months) so all being well I should have it for the end of October :) It's a Euro import, I can't remember exactly, but the price is something just under £12k with xenons, soft touch dash, met. paint and styling pack :D Not quite the £7k saving I made on the scoob a few years back, but not bad.
Sounds great, hope you get it soon. Xenons and styling pack are good add-ons, did you fancy leather or not? Bit expensive maybe. What colour you got?
I would have imported too but couldn't wait 3-5 months for the car, that's too long. I suppose main dealers will always be able to sell cars to impatient people!!
I wanted an Ibiza for two reasons - first it's cheaper by 3k than the equivalent main dealer Golf 130, but the other point is that there are stacks of them (Golfs) for sale at Motorpoint, etc etc and various car supermarkets around the country. I can't help thinking that in a few years time there will be a massive glut of used Golfs for sale and prices may drop as supply exceeds demand.
Unlike the Ibiza 130 where demand should outstrip supply for a few years yet (particularly if VW keep hogging the TDI engines and 'box).
The stereo (in the UK model anyway) is the Alana - its good enough, but I wanted mp3 so I replaced it with the kenwood unit from my previous car.
Robertio
24-09-2002, 20:32
I did think about the leather, but as it was supposed to be a cheap car to run around in for a year or so, I decided against it. I did try for the winter pack as well, but was told they would not fit it to a RHD car :( I've order it in glacier blue with the black interior, did seriously consider the dark blue, but it only came with the yellow interior :rolleyes: so it ruled itself out.
I know what you mean about the waiting time, I've had the Westfield to run around in during the summer, so was in no real rush for the Ibiza (just as well really) but am now hoping it will turn up soon as it is sure to get a bit wet for a car with no roof shortly :o
I agree with your points for going for it over the golf, another point for me was the weight of the car, the Ibiza is more than heavy enough, never mind the extra weight the golf lugs around. I'm also hoping that the sports suspension fitted to the Ibiza is sports suspension rather than the super soft springs that seem to be fitted to the golfs, time will tell on this point.
The only remaining question is whether I will have it booked in to have the APR chip fitted before I get the car or not? :D
i think you'll find most dealers will only give a courtsey car to customers who originally bought from them. A friend with an Ibiza Cupra moved area's and his new dealer wouldnt supply a car, whereas the dealer he purchased from did....he now has a Octavia RS
Cheers Andy,
I can see their point. Bit unfortunate if you move area like your friend though.
Robertio,
Are you definitely getting the chip fitted? I haven't driven a 130 yet, I'm getting one based on the drive I had of a PD 100 model - in the Ibiza shell the 100 is probably fast enough, but based on the Autocar figures the 130 absolutely flies, although if you're coming from a a Westfield you may be thinking the opposite.
What is the winter pack?
By the way, search the recent threads 'cos Turbosun is either getting or has had his 130 chipped. Interesting to see what the difference in performance would be. My only worry with chipping is the clutch & gearbox - I don't know if you can limit the torque in 1st and 2nd.
I've also seen a few threads on the Golf forum with chipped 130's suffering from excessively smoky engines whilst booting it.
(Actually Turbosun started this thread - it was just a while ago!!)
stereo is not as good as the one in the leon which I was starting to find a little lacking. Not sure whether it is worth stumping up ~£500 for a new HU + changer though.
Robertio
24-09-2002, 22:57
The winter pack was heated seats (couldn't care less about) and heated washers (will have to try to work out a way of retro fitting, as there is not much more annoying than not being able to clean the windscreen when it is covered in salt)
Regarding the chip: APR have only just released their chip for the 130tdi, someone (don't know if they are on here) is getting it fitted this week. The quoted figures for the 130 Golf were 183bhp and 254lb/ft, meaning that torque is still below the 350Nm rating on the 6 speed box. They are also claiming that smoke is less on a chipped car than standard.
Have a look:
APR PD Page (http://www.apreurope.com/products/ecu_upgrade_pd_diesel.htm)
There is a thread about it on the Mark IV forum.
I will definitely be getting the car chipped, and ASAP after purchase, even when chipped it will still be the slowest car I'll have owned for a few years :(
I've never even been in an Ibiza, never mind driven one, I'm one for buying cars based on magazine reviews :D
mikiew ordered it from Newbury Seat on the 10th of August and was told I had to wait for the next build date.
Have just spoken to APR and they are awaiting an ibiza tdi 130 to play with. Chip should be available in a week or so.
Also spoke to Van Aaken who offer a box. costing £470 which will give you 150Bhp but better fuel economy than the standard settings.
Van Aaken seem to be a bit strange, I requested info from them on the website, they phoned me to confirm my details, and then called again a few days later to see if I received the info OK (I hadn't). And I never heard from them again!
Maybe APR is the better bet. Anyway, I think I'll let everyone else chip their cars first and you can keep me posted on the performance differences, thanks.
Robertio I can't believe you've not even been in one, although I'm sure you won't be disappointed. Roat tests can tell you a lot about a car though.
Can anyone tell me if the windows close when you lock the car using the remote? My Loop used to but it had a Cobra alarm which wasn't fitted as standard.
Hoping that one of you TDI guys can help me. I have a 130 on order from NL, Metallic black with styling pack, electric sunroof but no stereo. I didn't want to pay the extra to get an average system. I have bought a head unit ready for the car but need to know what size the speakers are. Can anyone help???
Just in reply to earlier comments about imports. My last car was an Ibiza cupra also bought from the Netherlands. The local dealer (although not the best) had no problem giving me a courtesy car whether for services or warranty work. Would not buy a car from SEAT UK out of principle. Importing in my mind obviously saves a few grand but also gives you the oppurtunity to choose options. Something that SEAT UK don't allow you to do!!!!!
Good move not getting the stereo, it is significantly poorer sound quality than the leon aura unit.
Can't help with the speaker size, but you could try Seat UK! ;-) it is a freephone number!
Hi Nac least your dealer local sounds good. Wish I wasn't getting the stereo either, got my eyes on an MP3 head unit now. I thought Seat would have upgraded the stereo in the TDI Sport - I think all the Ibizas have the same model.
DaveP, no-one answered before, does the remote close the windows when you lock the car?
its very much down to the individual dealer. Unfortunately I cam across three useless dealers, two of which I originally went to, to buy the car, before an import had even crossed my mind. However shop about. I know have two excellent dealers (admittedly havent had any servicing by one of them), so at least they are out there.
I've gone to local dealer in Wakefield so I hope they are OK. I got another 8 dealers within about 40 miles radius so hopefully one of them will be decent. Like I said in an earlier post, I'm hoping that actually buying the car from them (Wakefield) will be a good start to a decent relationship.
I think sometimes that it can also be down to the individual as well. I really like JCT600 VW in Wakefield too but there are probably plenty out there who don't - depends on the experience.
Originally posted by mikiew
DaveP, no-one answered before, does the remote close the windows when you lock the car?
Dont know - but I doubt it, doesn't on the Leon Cupra. Only used the windows once so far. What you could do is ask the dealer to try and code the ECU before you pick it up (or have you got it already?).
Nac, speak to one of the cupra.net friendly dealers, they might be able to find it on the microfische system.
have a look at the main page under preferred dealers. MK Seat and Great Covert are two names that spring to mind
Cheers DaveP, you are probably right if it doesn't work in the Leon I doubt it will in the Ibiza.
I don't pick it up until Friday evening although I'm told it was coming into the dealership today. Can't wait.
How many miles you put on now? What mpg you getting?
About 1400 on it now. Getting more used to it. Getting about 42mpg to a tank, slowly climbing. Peak for a journey average is 53mpg (not hanging about, flowing with traffic, playing with the odd car) :-) and low so far is 41mpg (average 100mph peaking at 120mph and was stable and quiet at that speed) .
Downsides:
no cruise
lumbar is lacking
stereo is annoying me
paranoid about getting used to handling (shorter wheelbase and no ESP).
Think these tyres rate alongside P6000 on leon cupra - crap
Upsides:
may even save £300 per month on fuel
low down torque
So far pleased, once lumbar sorted (find some foam and cut it) and some form of cruise I will be a lot happier.
Originally posted by andyb
i think you'll find most dealers will only give a courtsey car to customers who originally bought from them. A friend with an Ibiza Cupra moved area's and his new dealer wouldnt supply a car, whereas the dealer he purchased from did....he now has a Octavia RS
Don't know what I'm doing in this forum, but....
I have an import (supplied via 1-stop), my local dealer (Marshalls in Bedford) said they wouldn't give me a courtesy car becuase I didn't buy the car from them, so I checked with Milton Keynes Seat and they said they would, also gave me a nice discount on my first service (cheers Chris @ MK Seat!)
Not a bad mileage figure for just now is it?
I signed the finance papers this evening for mine, but the driver's airbag was registering a fault so I now have to wait until they fit a new one, so it looks like Monday to collect it now, although I did have a sneaky look out the back.
I think the stereo might not last long, looking at an MP3 head unit. Other than that I hate everything about my current car so I can't envisage any faults with the Ibiza!
There are other posts about APR doing the cruise control.
I have been speaking with APR about cruise - might not be so cheap to fit, seemed like more h/w than with the leon,etc.
They are due to let me know more this week, which means today...
Cruise is on imports I've seen so maybe it won't be that difficult.
Are you going to chip it just now or wait for a few months or leave it alone?
Seems like it is more than a stalk, but they are still looking into it. Not impossible, but not as cheap as a stalk. I would be happy with just a button stuck somewhere. The other thing could be to do an IR setup so that there is some kind of button on the steering wheel. Just some thoughts.
Will wait to hear how the first few go, nobody has had it done (on an Ibiza) yet. Also will be good to hear how the cruise goes.
Bought some foam on the weekend to carve some kind of lumbar support, the seat cover just comes off (zip?).
Also, watch out - once it gets less than 4c the temperature chime goes off! Crapped myself when it kicked in the other morning.
45.9mpg for last tank, slow one way (80ish on m-way) normal 100mph cruising for rest :-)
2300 miles on the clock now...
Very good thread to read this :)
I've been out in a Focus TDCi today, was quite impressed. Popped into my Seat dealer on the way back to the office (Premier in Stoke) and had a brief chat. Was very impressed at the price of £13,495 + £250 for Met. Paint.
The Focus TDCi Ghia is £15,895 + paint.
Had the keys to their demo car for 10 minutes or so to have a quick look round the inside. Didn't realise the TDi Sport had a six speed box :D
Quick question - what's the MPH per 1000 in 6th? Brochure quotes 37 per 1000 in 5th which is low on it's own.
Anywhere on the web with in gear times for none-chipped cars?
Would be hard work to get a discount off list by the sounds of it.
Cheers,
Chris.
I think its about 39mph per 1000 in 6th. I was cruising at about 80 on sunday and I got really confused! It was so quiet, it didnt feel like I was doing 50 never mind 80, and I looked at the tacho - 2000rpm - I thought is that right? It really felt as though the instruments were wrong, but they werent - I'd love to really give it some welly, but I am very paranoid about getting caught over 100!
120 and it is very stable. Chipping I guess will make a big difference in top speed, because it is geared for something like 200mph.
Last night going thru bracknell an Audi TT 225bhp was in front, now I am sure he wasnt ragging it too hard, but I guess he thought there was no need for him to change down to get rid of me - he slowed me down! :D Now I know if he was up at 4k rpm then it would have been a different story - but good fun!
Glas to see you enjoying it Chris.
Still not got mine yet, maybe tomorrow?
The info you want is here http://www.seatcupra.net/forums/showthread.php?threadid=7268
Robertio
08-10-2002, 19:30
Hi Chris, long time no see ;)
I believe your brochure is wrong as it is 37/1000 in 6th.
For another forum, check out tdiclub, a thread on the 130 sport:
Happy Owner (http://forums.tdiclub.com/NonCGI/ultimatebb.php?ubb=get_topic;f=33;t=000216)
BTW, you may spot a couple of usernames from the past over there as well :)
Cheers mikiew - thanks for the link. :)
Arranged to test drive Premier's TDi Sport demo car on Friday and getting a figure on the loan from my IFA.
Hey Rob ;) 37/1000 still sounds damn good after the Scoob pulling 3000+ at 80ish
I see Motorhouse 2000 are listing a load of TDi Sports with due date 31st Dec - http://www.motorhouse2000ltd.co.uk/seaibiza.html
Thanks for the info folks - most helpfull.
Chris.
Yeah I considered Motorhouse but didn't want to wait too long for the car. Watch out if you want one because Motorpoint had some coming in after Xmas but they were all already pre-sold so they wouldn't have any available until March. It may be the same at Motorhouse.
Motor Depot in Hull were due to get some in this week I believe (selling for 12k), but in the end I didn't think it was worth the difference to get a pre-registered import. Imports make more sense with other cars, just depends, especially if you choose the DIY option ie. AndyB on this site saved a fortune on a Leon.
Just done a quick quote with http://www.drivethedeal.com/ and they came out at £13064 (saving of £680).
Not bad - claim to supply cars from the UK's Cheapest Main Dealer. Maybe something to beat a dealer with.
Another quick question...
Anyone got any prices for services?
10k is an oil change, 20k being a "major" one. Any idea of what the 20k consists of?
More questions! :rolleyes:
What are the headlights like?
I'm coming from a Scooby with Morette quad lights, so I'm use to a pretty good main beam when x-countrying at night.
Not noticed anything in particular (good or bad).
Anyone know what the Styling Pack is?
Just looking at imports on Motors Unlimited and it offers it there for 164 Euros.
Robertio
10-10-2002, 20:13
Chris, the styling pack is colour coding and the soft touch dash (nope I don't know what it is yet, but as I have it on my car when it turns up I'll let you know. I guess it is made of slightly higer quality material)
Styling pack looks well worth the cash.
Your car must be here soon Robertio? I picked up mine this evening but only done 10 miles - roll on the weekend.
Chris, get a loan figure from your IFA and then see if the dealer will match it. It's in your interests to get HP relating to your car rather than a bank loan. If you push hard enough they should match the APR.
Originally posted by mikiew
It's in your interests to get HP relating to your car rather than a bank loan.
I don't follow? Surely it is preferable to NOT have it against the car, that way it is easier to sell it on because there is no finance against the car.
Dave,
The main benefits about HP are i) Protection under the Consumer Credit Act and ii) Once you have made half the payments on the car you can give it back without further recourse from the finance company. This is particularly useful if used car values plummet.
HP is best for some people and not for others, I don't think there is a right or wrong. As long as you can match the best deal from a bank then I think you should have HP. I also drive past garages and see cars priced from £49 per week ha ha APR of 27% obviously in these instances HP not such a good idea.
The main benefits about HP are i) Protection under the Consumer Credit Act and ii) Once you have made half the payments on the car you can give it back without further recourse from the finance company. This is particularly useful if used car values plummet.
Have you tryed to get finance again after that?, i have heard that they put a black mark againest your name, making it more difficult to to get finance
dave
Yeah, that was my thoughts too, but I know someone who did this and he got another car no problem, not sure if he financed it through a bank or HP or what though.
I would also be wary about doing this, hopefully it would never come to that anyway.
Mikiew, How's the car going ? I'm thinking of buying a 130Tdi sport and my local dealer is also Thornes. Have they got a demo car to play with or did you buy it on what's said here. Would like to see your car seeing as your local and have a chat (PM me !). Anyway think I will be calling at the dealer this weekend if I've got time.
Cheers.:cheers:
Robertio
12-10-2002, 18:22
Good to hear you got the car Mickie, expect a full write up once you've got used to it :)
As of last Tuesday my car was still on Seats production schedule for last week, however, the dealer has said that they are running behind schedule, so to expect it to be another 2 weeks yet before they start making it :( Just hoping I get it before the end of the month now, I have been assured they will contact me as soon as work begins on it.
Right, just a quick post (must get off to bed, got a wedding to go to tomorrow).
Took the TDi Sport out from Premier on Friday afternoon.
Major thumbs up for Premier. Gave me the keys to the demo car, had my cars off me and let me tootle off on my own. Nice to get the chance to the try a car on your terms. Very impressed, real kick in the back at 1900rpm. I was out for 30/40 minutes on a nice mix of roads. Felt strange shifting up into sixth.
Downside... twelve week lead time??? :( That's Euro import territory.
Decisions, decisions!
Chris.
Robertio
13-10-2002, 11:57
Good to hear you liked it Chris :) hopefully I'll agree once I finally drive one. You could always just leave the car in 5th ;)
BTW, you would be looking for a miracle to get a Euro sourced car to your spec within 12 weeks, you are looking at 5 months. Seat have restricted production on these vehicles to keep demand up, not quite as bad as the Impreza was 4 years ago but still a pain when you want to buy a new one.
5 Months! :eek:
Damn. The 535i Beemer I'm borrowing is as bad as the Scoob was. About £70 to brim the tank - you get cramp in your hand waiting for it to fill up.
Time to ring round a few dealers I guess, see what's about.
What Car have their 'target price' for the TDI Sport as £12,600. Lot of discount on a car that is selling very very well...
Originally posted by Robertio
Good to hear you got the car Mickie, expect a full write up once you've got used to it :)
Full review once I get sorted - in the next few weeks I hope.
Chris, you have made a wise decision, hope that you find one soon. Keep us posted what you intend to do.
Aceman, If you haven't already done so, get to Thornes and take the PD100 for an extended test drive. It will convince you to take the plunge.
Build quality - the materials are not in the same league as the Polo/Golf/Leon but it seems pretty well screwed together. The steering wheel and gearshift are nice leather items, and the wiper/indicator stalks are exactly the same as the Leon etc. As these are the everyday surfaces that you will come into contact with then you won't generally notice that the dash could be better.
Let's face it, how often do you stroke the dashboard anyway!
The gearbox was a worry of mine because my Lupo had the worst 'box ever, particularly second when cold, but the six-speeder is really precise and has a nice action. As Chris says, bit weird going into 6th gear initially but easily learnt.
Can either Dave tell me how much is costs to fill the tank? I could only get £26 in but not sure how empty the car was.
Thanks 'Mikiew', I've got Friday off this week so will call in at Thornes and arrange a test drive. Hope I'm not waiting 12 weeks as suggested if I decide to take the plunge.
Anyway I'll let you guys know the outcome.
Cheers:cheers:
Nice one. Now is probably a good time to sow the first seed of 'potential ownership' with the dealer with regard to the 130. Remember to take your licence too, I blagged the car for 2 hours or so but get longer if they will let you. M1 northbound up the hill from Denby Dale is a good test of the 4th/5th gear pull, which is pretty good even in the PD100.
My last fillup was 33.5 litres (@73.9/l = £24.77). I tend to fill up as soon as possible after the warning light/buzzer comes on as it is really annoying (which I think is supposed to be about 7 litres left - or have I made that up?)
How many miles do you go on a tank then Dave?
The buzzer is definitely not a good feature. Also do you think the gauge reads the wrong way, it seems to be opposite to every other car I've ever owned, (or is it just me?)
Originally posted by mikiew
the wiper/indicator stalks are exactly the same as the Leon etc.
No the aren't. This means that it is less easy to add cruise, so far as I know, the Ibiza has unique stalks.
Currently getting around 360-380miles before buzzer. Not yet put more than 8.5 litres in, although today the computer is reading 10miles till no fuel.
£25 to fill up a car for 350+ miles.
The stuff dreams are made off :D
The salesman at the Ford dealer is very keen to promote the Focus TDCi Ghia. Discounting it quite heavily, although even with the new £2,200 cash back offer on it, it's still more expensive. Does had a 6 disc CD changer as standard.
I'm thinking the Ibiza will keep it's value better though.
Seriously considering the Seat Service option - £20 a month to cover all servicing and tyres. £240 a year wouldn't cover a set of tyres and a service, so would save me money.
tony4563
15-10-2002, 19:54
Hi everyone.I'm a new member and just wanna say hello,and how much I enjoy reading and following the forum pages. I pick up my TDi 130 in the very cool Arctic Grey, in 2 weeks. I'm part-exing my Ibiza 1.4 Chill.(which is a great all rounder in itself) Sticking with SEAT because i'm not a badge snob. They give you fantastic value for money. The 130 test drive blew me away.I just had to have it. Performance,economy and a fine looking beast too!
Originally posted by DaveP
No the aren't. This means that it is less easy to add cruise, so far as I know, the Ibiza has unique stalks.
The stalks are the same as the current Polo, but i don't think that has cruise either, at least not in the uk
Robertio
15-10-2002, 23:16
Hi Tony, welcome to the 130tdi club, maybe we should have our own forum :D
You know you wouldn't be able to cope Chris, having got used to £25 not taking you 100 miles to suddenly get 350+ miles for that outlay would be just too much of a shock ;)
I'm currently just looking forward to a car with a roof, it is a tad chilly without one at the moment :o
muddyboots
16-10-2002, 12:39
What Car have their 'target price' for the TDI Sport as £12,600. Lot of discount on a car that is selling very very well... [/B]
Hi, I'm new to these forums - I currently drive a Rover 220 SDi, but am looking to buy a TDI 130 Sport.
What Car guarantee to find you a dealer that will meet or beat their Target Price.
I was a bit sceptical, so I tested them out a few months back, when the target price was a bit higher, and What Car's broker directed me to Premier Seat in Stoke, who offered it at £12,758 - an instant discount of nearly £750, and that was when it had only just been launched.
It's a very easy way to start the bargaining process between dealers !
By the way, has anyone tried a Tuning Box in a 130 TDI Sport yet ?
APR offer 183bhp - why go for a box?
'tony 4563' where did you test drive the 130TDi ? I want to have a drive in one desperatly and being from the same region looks like you may give me an answer. Welcome to the forum by the way it's a great way to share your enthusiasm for such great cars.
'Robertio' sounds like a great idea to me as it seems there is a fast growing ownership of these cars and loads of potential new buyers such as myself. Any MODS out there care to comment ?
:D
Jobs a good 'un.
One Ibiza TDi Sport in Platinum Grey Metallic ordered with Premier this afternoon.
40+ MPG here I come!
:D
Right, just filled my car up and my last 350 miles averaged 44.9mpg.
100 of that was motorway driving, and the rest was round town stuff. I tried to make sure every trip indicated 50+mpg on the trip computer - anyone know what how the computer calculates fuel consumption (are they supposed to be very accurate?) ?
muddyboots
21-10-2002, 08:35
One Ibiza TDi Sport in Platinum Grey Metallic ordered with Premier this afternoon.
Nice one !
What were Premier like to deal with ?
I'm probably going to be ordering the same car/colour later this year, and Premier are within range...
By the way, is Platinum Grey Metallic the darker grey, like the car in the Ibiza brochure ?
Hi Muddy.
I'm very impressed with Premier. I've dealt with David Kelly on the sales side. Friendly and relaxed, no high pressure sell or chasing me to make a decision.
First time I went in he gave me the keys to their demo car to let me have a look round, sit in it, press buttons, the usual stuff.
Test drive was very similar. Turned up, swapped car keys and sent me off on my own. Chance to test the car on my own terms.
In comparison, the Ford dealer didn't have a Focus TDCi in or a Focus of Ghia spec. They did pull one in for a test drive that was 15 minutes accompanied.
I believe Platinum Grey is the brochure colour. I spent 10 or 15 minutes on Friday comparing colours on the various Ibiza's Premier had in. Only one TDi Sport (Flame Red) but both greys and one of the blues on other cars.
Certainly give them a thumbs up so far. Worth a quick sprint down the A50.
Chris.
Originally posted by DaveP
No the aren't. This means that it is less easy to add cruise, so far as I know, the Ibiza has unique stalks.
Oops! Sorry I was talking in terms of quality and tactile feel.
Well done Chris, is Muddy to follow soon? What did you think of the TDCi any good? How many miles on the demo car, enough to boot it?
Originally posted by tony4563
I pick up my TDi 130 in the very cool Arctic Grey, in 2 weeks.
I may have missed this on another thread but where are you buying it from?
You guys are doing a good job of convincing this Scooby owner to make the switch. I do 1,000 miles a week; I could buy a Westie of my own with what I'd save!
I test drove one back in May or June (filled in the form on SEAT's crappy web site) but was put off by the dash being so poor quality. Also the demo car was a God-awful blue that really didn't suit it.
What's the deal on getting one with Xenons and leather / style pack? Who's the best importer? Another reason I didn't bother was because Evo had that spec in the news section when the 130 was announced and I thought that I'd get one and then suddenly Xenons and leather would hit the options list. I can put up with wooden benches for 350 miles on £25 though!
Fen
Originally posted by mikiew
Oops! Sorry I was talking in terms of quality and tactile feel.
Well done Chris, is Muddy to follow soon? What did you think of the TDCi any good? How many miles on the demo car, enough to boot it?
TDCi was nice. If I hadn't taken the Ibiza out, would have been my choice. The usual Focus 'alternate' dash.
A nice kick in the pants low down, but not as big as the Ibiza's shove when you hit 1900.
The Ibiza at Premier has 2 to 3 thousand on the clock. Can't remember how many miles the Focus had.
Seat brochure says no Xenon's on offical UK cars.
Chris.
RB5
What's the deal on getting one with Xenons and leather / style pack? Who's the best importer?
I have just today put down a deposit on a new ibiza tdi sport :D
I got it from a place in Ireland...White Bishop Cars in Dublin. I got it with a full leather / electric pack and xenon lights with interior and exterior chromed and in metallic black. All this in a uk dealer would have been around £14.5k....i was quoted £13210 in Canterbury as a standard price (incl met. paint) with no extras. All this worked out at 16500 euros and even tho i have to go and collect the ol' girl myself, it saves me over £2k..well worth it i think you will agree!! ;) I was asked for a deposit of only 500 euros which works out at about £320...not bad! the car will be ready in late dec. / early jan. and i cant wait after test driving one over here last week!
Website if you are interested is: http://www.whitebishop.ie/mainpage.htm?main.htm~mainFrame
Cheers Jono!!!! I'll have a look.
Fen
Jono - you can't even buy leather/xenons or any other options in this country! :-(
Personally I would also go for ESP.
Other things to bear in mind, this is with 4k on the clock:
stereo is lacking
steering wheel is too thin/odd shape (there are replacements in the accessories catalogue)
lacking in lumbar support (fixed in mine with £2.50 worth of foam stuffed under the seat covers).
Average since I bought the car (from the computer) is 47mpg.
Originally posted by DaveP
Jono - you can't even buy leather/xenons or any other options in this country! :-(
Personally I would also go for ESP.
Other things to bear in mind, this is with 4k on the clock:
stereo is lacking
steering wheel is too thin/odd shape (there are replacements in the accessories catalogue)
lacking in lumbar support (fixed in mine with £2.50 worth of foam stuffed under the seat covers).
Average since I bought the car (from the computer) is 47mpg.
Dave i think as Ireland is all in with the EU using euros and stuff you can get the options that you wont get over here in the UK, and cause of the euro prices are still kept nice ;) I was thinkin of gettin an import from the contienent, but to be honest the idea of getting it from ireland where the language barrier isnt a problem was much more appealing!! the people there were really helpful. the only thing about getting one from there is that they only supply a 2yr warranty not 3 and only have a 5 door in the 130pd....which to be honest is not a problem for me, i have a 3door car at the minute and when its wet, people getting in and out make a mess of the back of the front seats etc.
I was interested to see your av. mpg by the way, is that driving like miss daisy or being a little generous with the boot?! ;)
I wont be keeping the stereo either, i have one in the car i have which should sound a bit better!! ;)
muddyboots
22-10-2002, 08:08
Cheers Chris, I definitely think Premier will be my starting point.
They were the dealer that What Car's Target Price broker pointed me towards a little while back.
I was set on Platinum grey - but after following a black TDI Sport to work this morning, I'm not so sure ! It really looked the part. But it was dark at the time :)
What's the current waiting time, is it still 12 weeks or so ?
When buying mine I got impatient, brokers quoted 6mths, hadn't thought of Ireland at that time.
When I had my leon I booted it everywhere - didn't seem to make much difference gentle/fast. I don't floor it unless the road is clear now, that is the only difference.
I cruise at 95-110 for about 90 miles. About 10 miles is fast a-roads, so get to cruising speed of about 90. 10 miles of 30mph/40mph limits, just going with the flow of traffic. This is done early morning and very little braking is involved.
Going home the traffic is heavier and therefore cruising is more like 80-90.
Going to work is normally 45mpg (although this morning with the rain it was only 41mpg???).
Going home is 50+mpg.
Economy I am very impressed with. The only warning is that the mpg does dip when stopping/starting, so if you do a lot of around town stuff then not too sure what you will get.
Revo Mark
22-10-2002, 09:13
Hi Guy's
Just a quick update.
We finalised the PD130 software on the 03 Ibiza and yesterday completed the dyno runs.
First run: 180BHP with 307ftlb of torque.
Second run: 179BHP with 302ftftlb of torque.
The car belongs to Listers Coventry, so hopefully we can get them to do a report once we have given it back:(
We will post a seperate thread with graphs later.
best regards
300lb/ft? :eek: Gimme, gimme! :D How much? Is that still safe for the transmission?
I was tempted by black too Muddy, but decided it would be a pain in the arse to keep clean. The Flash Red has grown on me since I first saw Premier's demo car as well.
Worse case is still 12 weeks, but Premier are working on beating that for me. I'll give them a bell next week so how they are getting on.
stereo is lacking
I ordered a new Alpine 7893R MP3 CD head unit yesterday ready to go in from day 1. Already have an Alpine 634 6 CD changer for the boot, that's MP3 enabled as well. Should mean something like 50 or 60 hours of music on 7 CDs :D Give the standard speakers a try with a decent head unit and go from there.
I think some testing before/after, 50-70 etc would be very interesting.
+28% increase in bhp should really alter the 0-60 and 50-70....and vMax!
oh and the current tyres in the wet are crap.
and the horn sounds like it belongs on Graham Norton's car.
oh and the current tyres in the wet are crap.
What are they?
Premier's demo car had Bridgestone Tourango's (or something close) on.
I've gone for the fixed price service + tyres option, so I'll be asking for Goodyear Eagle F1s next (assuming they come in the right size). They were great in the wet on the Scoob.
muddyboots
22-10-2002, 12:23
First run: 180BHP with 307ftlb of torque.
Second run: 179BHP with 302ftftlb of torque.
Bloody hell, that's a huge increase.
A few questions here, maybe someone knows the answers....
What's the max input torque for the 6 speed gearbox ? And is the rest of the drivetrain up to coping with 300ftlb ?
Is there any way of telling whether the car has been chipped - could a Seat dealer's diagnostic computer give the game away, perhaps by showing odd software version numbers, and thus invalidate the warranty ? If the ECU box was opened up, could the dealer tell the difference between an original chip and an aftermarket one ?
I'm sure I've read that on other cars (Fords I think), in some circumstances the ECU has been reprogrammed by the dealers with updated software to correct faults. If this was done, would it return the chip back to manufacturers programs ?
Questions questions.... ;)
Originally posted by Chri5B
Bridgestone Tourango's
Something like that.
I put F1s on my leon and the difference was HUGE!!!
Maybe I wont think ESP is a good idea once I have worn these down?
muddyboots
22-10-2002, 12:53
Is ESP some sort of stability control, and is it standard on UK TDI 130s ?
Yup. Nope.
Electronic Stability Programme (?)
It will brake each wheel if necessary. Had it on my leon. Liked it. People get it confused with traction control (because the same light on the dash is used), however traction control on petrol engine is crap (diesel one seems to be good - strange???).
Not even available in the UK.
The only option for the UK is sat nav!
Europe: ESP, leather, xenon, folding mirrors, heated seats, cruise control, auto-wipers.
So, not only do we pay too much, but we can't even get options!
Also miss the auto-wipers, having to realise that the rain is less and having to manualy move a stalk is an outrage! ;-) Seriously, with auto-wipers and auto-volume on the stereo you can leave your hands on the wheel and concentrate on driving.
Oh and the stereo over compensates for the difference in speed, there is an option for this on the stereo, just not played yet.
I do like the car, honest!
Does anone have a right hand drive TDI 130 with the styling pack?
I am 3 months into an order of metallic black 130 with sunroof and styling pack (soft dash, colour door handles&mirrors and opening rear window) I have now been informed that the soft dash for right hand drive is not available so the stying pack is not fitted to RHD! The NL dealer states now that it won't come colour coded now either. I'm in two minds whether to cancel the order or not as I think the car looks really awful and like a base model with alloys!
So does anyone have a colour coded RHD 130?
Why not just get the mirrors & handles painted after you get the car? Wouldn't cost a fortune (but possibly more than the style pack?)
Fen
Hello all,
My first post here. I'm considering ordering an Ibiza TDI 130 and have been checking the good info on this site.
I notice that the Irish Ibiza TDI 130 Sport (5 door only in Eire) comes with the style pack ..
www.seat.ie
Driver power heated partial-painted door mirrors with wide angle , passenger power heated partial-painted door mirrors
Also, the Irish cars have 15 inch alloys , whereas UK spec is 16 inch.
Cheers
P
Originally posted by Nac1975
...the car looks really awful and like a base model with alloys!
This is one thing I didn't like either, but it doesn't actually look that bad in the flesh (metal?). Least it doesn't perform like a base model!
If anyone gets a price from their dealer for colour coding can they post it please.
DaveP with regard to the options I can't believe that Seat don't offer these in the UK. I think most people in this thread would buy the lot given the chance, I know I would.
I would buy the lot probably as well.
Seat UK....hmm....maybe they should be sent on an arse&elbow recognition course? They removed ESP as an option on the leon a while ago (???) Least it is available on the Leon Cupra R. Doesn't help us much though.
How far has anybody gone on the fuel light yet then? Me, only about 20 miles. Always paranoid about running out, managed to put 57.X litres in my leon (has a 55litre tank) a few times, so far only managed 37 litres in the Ibiza.
muddyboots
23-10-2002, 07:50
I would buy the lot probably as well.
I'd certainly be interested in Xenons, heated seats, and ESP at least.
I really think Seat UK are going to miss out on a few orders here - I can't think of any explanation why they're restricting UK options!
I'm going to get in touch with White Bishop (www.whitebishop.ie) and see what they can offer. I guess they're used to doing exports as there's a "UK Exports" page on their website ! I'll post any info & prices I get.
Looking in my brochure, the SE gets colour coded mirrors, but the Sport models go back to black mirrors. Hmmm!
I'd have been tempted by Xenons, ESP and heated seats as well. Leather doesn't interest me to be honest.
This was my worry when I tested the car months ago; as soon as I get one they become available with Xenons and leather (easier to get chocolate off). Personally I don't want ESP.
Fen
Originally posted by muddyboots
I'm going to get in touch with White Bishop (www.whitebishop.ie) and see what they can offer. I guess they're used to doing exports as there's a "UK Exports" page on their website ! I'll post any info & prices I get.
To update on the black tdi sport i have ordered from whitebishop, there are a few differences from the uk spec.....as i said, im getting xenons, full leather and chrome shiny bits inside and out (each to their own ok?!? :p )
The thing is, Terry (really helpful), the guy who is doing the sale informs me now that seat dont wanna do the leather!! so he has arranged for someone local to do the leather when the car arrives...point is i dont know if this is a one off or not so it is a good idea to check....didnt cost a lot xtra. This prompted me to check the irish Seat site and i discovered a few differences, i.e the 15" alloys and no climate control just air con...there are other options to choose from that you dont get here tho! Whitebishop are very helpful tho so give them a call if you wanna know more..and no i dont work for them!! ;) (Delivery time is about 5-6weeks)
Are you concerned about not having a UK-spec car? What are the insurance implications, does it limit your insurers? What size wheels/tyres are on the irish cars then?
muddyboots
24-10-2002, 08:53
So far I've had no reply back from White Bishop.
I was wondering whether they'd be able to supply a UK-spec car, plus the non-UK extras....though I doubt if they'd meet 5-6 weeks delivery if that was the case.
Not too sure about these shiny chrome bits though :D
AAAAAAARRRRRGGGGGGGGHHHHHHHHHHH
I went to the dealership today to yet again check on the delivery status of my car and whilst it arrived in the country last f*****g week it still hasn't arrived there yet. I was promised faithfully that it had to be delivered within 5 days of being placed with the delivery company, I'm not impressed. I have now been waiting close to 3 months and I'm not a patient man. I watch this forum closely and read with great interest how as a uk customer I'm getting ripped off and denied options which I would gladly pay for (cruise control, that stability thing, soft dash, style packs etc.)
I'm so close to giving up, cancelling the order and going elsewhere with my business.
Sorry to rant but I'm angry.
:mad:
As far as the insurance goes, the difference between a uk car and an import is only £10 so thats no problem...the wheels are 15" and 195's which i dont like, but i have other wheels waiting off a mates old Cupra 1.8T so thats ok.
One thing about white bishop, i did have to ring them after no response on the email side of things.
The chrome shiny bits...hmmm! what does everyone else think? :P the only reason i want them on there is that there is so much dash and it just looks plain so i thought it might brighten the ol' girl up! ...im sure it will look very classy.....!!:rolleyes:
tony4563
24-10-2002, 18:58
Sorry guys if you think i've been ignoring your questions ( Just come back from a week in Spain ) I ordered my TDI 130 from JCT 600 Rawdon, Leeds, in Arctic Grey. Waiting time of 2 weeks for that colour. I originally ordered in Platinum grey but changed my mind. I could have had that in 7 days! Didn't have much leeway in price, though, because i had a part ex. to swap(swings and roundabouts) Chucked me some mats in for free.
tony4563
24-10-2002, 19:02
PS...Being in Spain for a week gave me the chance to see loads of the new shape Ibizas. Looks fantastic in ALL colours!;)
Robertio
24-10-2002, 19:49
Regarding the styling pack: my 130 has been on order for 4 months now (they still haven't even started production yet :( another month before I tell them to stuff it and return my deposit as this is getting ridiculous) and has been ordered with the styling pack (was told after I placed my deposit that they couldn't do the winter pack, but nothing said about the styling pack and xenons so I expect them to be fitted) so I hope they are able to supply it as such.
Originally posted by Robertio
Regarding the styling pack: my 130 has been on order for 4 months now (they still haven't even started production yet
That's no use is it? By the time they get round to making it, it will be spring and time to get back into the Westfield again.
Dave, not sure how far to go with the fuel light on but I wouldn't risk it too far! Not had much time to go out in mine recently but I did take it to work yesterday, which is a 100mile round trip, 'cos I was a bit concerned about running the car in around town, thought some motorway miles would be good for it. It's amazing how quickly you can get to 90-100 by flexing your ankle a bit.
I'm finding the CD player not bad just now, I think I may stick with it.
Originally posted by JONO!!
....and chrome shiny bits inside and out (each to their own ok?!? :p )
Found this pic on TDIClub forum for you. Looks much better than the yellow surrounds on mine. Are they available as a retrofit option I wonder?
Well, I kinda like the chrome surrounds, but then I liked the yellow ones in the car I tested months ago (it was the blue outside I didn't like in that car). The chrome is classier though.
Each to their own as you say.
Fen
Originally posted by RB5
You guys are doing a good job of convincing this Scooby owner to make the switch. I do 1,000 miles a week; I could buy a Westie of my own with what I'd save!
Fen
Do you pay for your own fuel or is it business mileage?
Mikiew,
It is business mileage (well, 95% of it is) but I pay for my own fuel and get a payment back per mile, the same amount whether I drive a 650cc Smart or an 8 litre Yank Tank, so I stand to save a lot per month by making the switch.
Fen
Mikew,
cheers for the pic of the dials...looks nice, adds a good touch.
while im here i have a bit of info for anyone looking to import a car. I have ordered one from ireland and i called up my local dealer in Canterbury just to check they are ok with the warranty (2yr on an irish import instead of the 3yr uk warranty). The response i got as soon as i mentioned 'import' was nothing short of rude! The chap on the phone said he wouldnt touch it, and even when i pointed out it is european law that he has to cover the warranty he said he didnt want to know and actually said he didnt want my custom!! nice!
I then called a Seat dealer a bit furthur away, and they had no problem in covering it. the only thing they have to do is call Seat UK and check on the computers that it does have a warranty, once they have that info, there is no problem! They also pointed out that no Seat dealer can refuse to cover your warranty, even if they are a franchise which is one of the excuses the chap in Canterbury had!
Just something to bear in mind when you are approaching your local Seat dealer! :)
Got to thinking over the weekend; Scoob is dropping in value like a stone what with Subaru's recent price reduction on new ones and the miles I'm doing, I'm impatient, and every week with it costs me at least £70 more in fuel than the Ibiza would, so... since I'll cover over 60,000 in the first two years, I won't get a full warranty on a new car, so who has nearly new ex-demos for sale?:confused:
Well, :D
Deal done, picking up an Ovni ex-demonstrator from Amethyst on Sunday. Looking forward to saving £350-£400 a month from next week!
Fen
:jog:
Excellent!!
And of course in the best colour too. Get a good deal from them, have you traded in or selling privately?
Nice one;) . Picking mine up on Thursday!!
I'm like a big kid again.
Originally posted by mikiew
Excellent!!
And of course in the best colour too. Get a good deal from them, have you traded in or selling privately?
Defo the best colour (although I wouldn't have been so brave if I had been ordering one).
The deal was only OK; I traded in and that's always asking to have your trousers taken down, but I can start saving money right away rather than have the hassle of a depreciating and expensive to run Scooby to try to shift, coming up for its big service in 5 weeks. I decided to cut my losses I guess; the Scooby has been one of my biggest automotive mistakes, but I've had 4 months and 17k out of it for £3k + running costs, which could have been much worse.
I hope these Ibizas are as good as you guys say they are (I bought this one over the phone and it's ages since I tested one). I may collect it on Friday if work allows, but I'm damned if I'll tax it before then.
Quite excited if I'm honest I guess; now where's APR's 'phone number?;)
Fen
Originally posted by RB5
...could have been much worse.
Yeah, think of the money you'll save in fuel alone, the vast majority of which goes to the Government. A car will never be an investment anyway, I try to look on it as a tool to use for work.
At least you've had the use of the Scoob, I've bought and sold cars in the past and barely used them, which makes the pence per mile a very large figure.
And I don't think you'll be disappointed with the performance of the Ibiza, not in the real world anyway. Although after a few weeks I think you'll be in this forum reviewing your newly fitted APR chip - so keep us posted.
You think I'll last weekS?!
Fen
Robertio
28-10-2002, 20:29
Nope :D I give you 10 days tops :D
I had been planning on a 2k mile week, so that I could get mine chipped within 7 days of collection :) but the waiting continues...
BTW, don't work out what your running costs were, they will bring a tear to your eye (my scooby cost me close on £9k for the first year (12k(ish) miles) I had it, and only £2k was depreciation, needless to say I stopped keeping track after that)
Mikie, the westie is safely tucked away now for a few months (I will have another car by the end of November, and it will have a roof), it snowed when I was driving it up to its winter home, it was a tad chilly ;) I was wearing 2 hats and the top of my head was still freezing to say nothing of how cold and wet the rest of me was :rolleyes:
I figure another benefit of buying a demonstrator is that I can get it chipped straight away. I AM going to drive it standard for long enough that I get to know it though; I've made the mistake of chipping the day of arrival before.
Scoobies just are not worth what they cost to run; yes they're easy to get sideways on a roundabout and they make you feel like Fangio because you can do it so tidily, but they have a low-rent interior and tin-can bodywork, the engine sounds awful (note difference between engine noise and exhaust burble) and they aren't that fast in terms of straight line go. My '44 would leave the RB5 looking very silly (well it would it it wasn't in bits...), although the Scoob would leave it on the twisties (legally obliged to add the last statement as all Scoobynetters will appreciate).
Fen
although the Scoob would leave it on the twisties (legally obliged to add the last statement as all Scoobynetters will appreciate).
LMAO! :D :D
but they have a low-rent interior and tin-can bodywork
To true. I had a Pug 206 GTI before the Scoob, much nicer place to be. I'm looking forward to having digital climate control again.
Scoobies just are not worth what they cost to run
I'd disagree with that though. I've got some fantastic memories of the trips and runs I've been on. Hammering round the top end of Scotland - Ullapool, Applecross, Strathcarron and the rest - which saw me burn half a tank of petrol in 60 miles :eek: :D
2500 miles going to Spain for the Catalunya WRC - spanish roads are fab (and no Plod!). Blasting across Spain with six other Scoobies - happy times :)
It's nice to be able to say I've had one, canned the arse of it and enjoyed it (bar the petrol bill!). Time to move on for a bit though...
Originally posted by Robertio
it was a tad chilly
I'll bet it was! I'm from Scotland originally so I know how cold it can get. I can't believe that you've driven the westie for so long. I'm trying to keep moving South!
From what you guys have posted on here, I'm glad I've never bought a scooby, didn't realise they were quite so expensive to run.
Chris, how did you rate the 206?
The downside of using MS Money... you can see how much things cost you far too easily!
Whilst I had the Scoob...
£4,525 on petrol
£2,313 on servicing
£1,845 on spares and parts for modifications
£1,473 on insurance.
I'll stop there before I cry! :eek:
I thought the 206 was fab. Did 12,000 miles in twelves month (good job it went back to the lease company, front tyres were almost slick) :D It shifted, handled well, comfy and well spec'd. Shame Pug haven't built a 250bhp 4x4 WRC model for the road...:rolleyes:
I find it a bit disappointing full throttle, but really pleased with it all other times. I think WOT would be 'cured' with a chip.
I find it a bit disappointing full throttle, but really pleased with it all other times. I think WOT would be 'cured' with a chip.
Oh and the first 2 yrs are with Seat (not UK) so is unlimited miles.
I'd disagree with that though.
No denying they are fun, and I guess I am glad I've had one (who knows, maybe the rose-tined specs will see me in another once I have finished sorting my house out...), but I know for a fact that you can run a 911 for less, even disregarding the Scooby's depreciation (negligible for a 911), and I just think that a rice-rocket should cost more like hot-hatch money than supercar money to run.
I didn't mean to attack the car itself; I actually do like mine I guess, and I'll miss it each and every time I get to the big roundabout near my house late at night where I currently practice my powerslides. I just resent it every time I fill up (and sometimes that's twice a day), but I see it more as a very competent shopping car than the icon that the Playstation generation regard it as.
Oh and the first 2 yrs are with Seat (not UK) so is unlimited miles.
Yeah, I forgot that; I would have got a full two years with a new car and I'll only get the balance with the demo. That means I was right to buy Amethyst's over MK Seat's then at least. To tell the truth I've never owned the same car for more than 18 months anyhow...
Mikiew,
How many miles will your's have done by the weekend? I get a 4,900 mile head start and I think we may be competing to have the highest mileage TDI Sport pretty soon.
Fen
Mines has got over 5k on it and is having 1,100 a week put on it. First service should be the end of november...
My mileage varies quite a bit, but I usually say it averages about 1,000 per week. I may struggle to keep up then...
Fen
Yey. I picked up my blue one yesturday and have already run up 200 miles With luck it'll get past a 1000 in time for friday so I can give it some on the track.
Originally posted by RB5
Mikiew,
How many miles will your's have done by the weekend? I get a 4,900 mile head start and I think we may be competing to have the highest mileage TDI Sport pretty soon.
Fen
Me - I'll be lucky to be run in by Xmas at the rate I'm going. 'Cos I still got a co motor I don't get another fuel card until after Xmas so anytime I use it for work I pay. So I would be 600 miles a week but not yet.
You will go some to keep up with DaveP you know.
I work in different places too, I had a 10 mile round trip for 8 months this year, then 110 round trip for 10 months, who knows what next. It's why I can't lease a car, 'cos I might do 36k or 90k in 3 years, so if I leased I might lose out one way or the other.
Rage, well done mate. Are you doing anything special whilst running in?
Robertio
29-10-2002, 19:19
RB5, I know where you are coming from, 1 minute I'll slag off the scoob for being so much less than I expected, then the next I'll stick up for it :confused:
I am glad I had one, and that I got one when I did, in 2000 there was still very little that was as quick unlike now where most new hot hatches could give it a run. But that I had it for sale within a month of collecting the car tells it all really.
The car coped too well with the power that was available, unless it was pushing out 300bhp the chassis never felt like it was working at all. The fuel ecconomy and general running costs were horrific (6 month servicing, 5k miles to a set of tyres and 16.5mpg (avg)) and every low life seemed to take great joy in stealing / vandalising them. Looking back I had very few memorable journeys in the car, it was great for getting from A to B very quickly with very little effort. Given its performance it is ironic my best memory of it was driving through to get it serviced on a cold winters morning and staying around the legal limit (for a while watching a modified BMW all over the road trying to follow me :D ).
I'm not expecting much from the Ibiza, so hopefully I will be plesantly surprised.
Originally posted by mikiew
Me - I'll be lucky to be run in by Xmas at the rate I'm going.
Sorry Mikiew (& DaveP); I got confused with who the high miler was. Looks like I'll have to settle for second place though.
My run to the office is a 50 mile round trip, but I'm out on site as much as possible. Most of my work seems to be in Lancashire and South Yorkshire just now which actually means only 550 to 600 miles a week as I end up in hotels all the time (which is playing havoc with my GPRS bill!)
Fen
Originally posted by Robertio
1 minute I'll slag off the scoob for being so much less than I expected
When I parked it up tonight I actually felt sad that it may be gone in less than 72 hours; to a large extent it fits like a glove, and aside from the 911's it's the only car I've had that almost seems to define my personality.
On the other hand I won't miss searching for (and paying for) SUL or Optimax every day, the slight nervousness I have when I park it in areas I don't know, having to remember to lock my doors while I'm driving in the same areas in case someone tries to carjack it etc.
The biggest problem I have with it is that it isn't what I expected either. Sure it is better than the Clio 172 etc. that I drove before I bought it (and that includes the TDi Sport), and it was much better than the Alfa 164 smoker I was temporarily running before that, but I believed the hype. I genuinely thought that these cars were going to be awesome straight out of the box and could be modded to be the best thing ever on wheels. It would be easy to say that they have just got that rep from people moving up from Saxos and Novas and that the Scoob is so much better than anything they have ever experienced that they can't be blamed for being impressed, but I trust 'Evo' and 'Performance Car' before it, and they should know better than to rave about something that is only so slightly better than average. I guess maybe when they first hit the UK they were outstanding, but not any more.
If it had been as good as I expected I'd keep it, even with the running costs. On the other hand if it cost 10% more to run than a Clio 172 I'd keep it, because it's over 10% better. As it stands it's probably 172 + 15% tops but + 100% running costs, and I'm going for (hopefully) Clio 172 - 15% and - 25% running costs with the Ibiza.
As with the 911 I've owned an automotive icon, and I'm genuinely glad I did, but unless my missus suddenly gets broody and I need a 4-door it'll only be the Porker I'm likely to go back to.
Fen
If we're going any further with this discussion then perhaps we need to start a new thread?
My first week of TDi ownership is up and I have managed to clock up 1000 miles give or take.
The dash is cheap but functional. The yellow dial surrounds are strange to begin with but the more I live with them the more I like it. The last week has seen the interior of the car ripped out and replaced more times than I care to mention. The new stereo is nearing completion though and sounds superb. For those who plan on doing upgrades the speakers are 6.25" components both front and rear. They are riveted in very securely. I personally replaced mine with Phoenix gold tantrums all round which sound great. However some modification is required to the front tweeter location and the phoenix tweetwers to get them to fit. The speakers should be mounted on 18mm mdf and secured in place. the rear speakers are the easiest to mount due to the large access area.
After installing one front speaker I tried a different tack with the other and found that VW came up wit a clever design feature which must ease building the car in the first place. They have mounted all the electronics and the glass and motors to a steel plate which just bolts to the inside of the door. When I installed the first speaker I struggled to get it all fixed in. But for the second I removed the entire window assembly which not only meant installing the speaker was easy, but dynamatting the inside of the door was a simple task as well. for hints and tips on panel removal drop me a line. other useful features include sections of the dash which unbolt easily to allow access for easy routing of cables.
All in all fun to drive easy to install stereo into handles like a dream. handy volt meter for monitoring all those power draining amplifiers.
Had fun at the track day as well. Although now I'm considering getting it chipped.
Coming from my previous 1.4 ibizas the power was a shock but after throwing it around the track for a bit all too quickly I realised I needed more. great car though and managed to hold my own to some extent .
here ends my longest post ever.
p.s.
Looking back It probably belongs in the ICE section more than anything else, nevermind though eh.
Did you change speakers and HU all in one hit? Or did you have one without the other? In other words, was changing the HU enough to make a big difference?
Difficult I know, but how much do you reckon it would cost to match the sound quality of the original speakers (nice idea how much you need to spend to get a decent sound).
Did you just dynamatt the doors? Big difference? Did you use the spray stuff to do inside the doors? Touched the boot?
Was it dynamatt: std, extreme, whatever the names are.
And last question ICE related in wrong forum - is DAB worth the money? Is it better quality than FM?
I installed the head unit 3 days before I picked up the car from SEAT ( thanks Matt). there was a noticeable difference. Having said that I did install this (http://www.clarionworld.co.uk/stock/dxz928r.asp) head unit which is a hell of a lot better than the standard unit.
The boot, rear panels, drivers door and the inner skin of the passenger door are all in dynamat extreme
the "inside" of the passenger door is sprayed cos at the time I hadn't considered taking out the window assembly.
I used 2 and a half door kit packs of dynamat extreme to do every panel I could get to. I also used 1 can of spray on the inside of the passenger door.
With the left over dynamat I am thinking of doing under the bonnet.
As to speaker quality. The supplied tweeters are much better than the ones they used to use and nowhere near as harsh. however the drivers are just a cheap as always. You could easily replace them with the cheapest crap that you local dodgy motor shop sells and still get an improvement.
chances are though that if you buy cheap speakers the quiality of the magnet material goes down and thus the magnet gets bigger to enable the same response. which could result in you not being able to open your window.
I personally spent £130 per pair of pheonix gold speakers and they are superb. The depth is just right and sound quality is amazing. As with all these things you can spend as much or as little as you want. I advise you to go speak tou your local ICE stockist to get speaker advice and hear some before buying.
DAB
I have no idea if its worth it as I don't have it. Although I am considering it. It is much better than FM so the figures say but without personal experience I am loathe to comment.
Sorry to all TDI people not interested in doing stereo.
if you want any more info then PM me.
Last question I have (for now at least :-) ) is did you need some form of adaptor behind the HU? Or did your new one just plug in?
I have a Sony MD HU with an autochanger lying about (also have a couple of amps as well...oh and a sub in a box), I wasn't that impressed with it when I had it in a ZX a few years ago, but maybe it will be an improvement....
I was thinking along the lines of some focal jobbies at about £150, but that is when I can afford to do something.
Also found some dynamat extreme in bulk pack for £190.
DAB
I'm the one with DAB.
It depends whether or not you like the radio and how much time you spend in the car.
I bought DAB 18 months ago (I luckily had a compatible head unit to go with the Pioneer hideaway box, although I then upgraded the HU to get all the DAB functions). I use it every day for 2 reasons:
I like to listen to the radio.
I travel long distances in one hit and, unfortunately only the BBC do national radio (not strictly true, but close) and all their stations are rubbish most of the time.
In the morning I listen to Radio 4, and it's much clearer without any background noise (it hisses constantly on FM). Other times I take a choice to suit my mood from any number of extra stations playing different types of music, or sport commentary, or business info, or news, all in clear stereo with much more depth (comparing say, Radio 1 on FM and DAB is an eye-opener). Where you are dictates what you can get, but the Classic FM ensemble works everywhere I've been and is made up of (IIRC) Classic FM, Virgin, Planet Rock, Core, Bloomberg, a sport channel? and one or two others.
It isn't stricly true to say that DAB is without drop-out or noise however. The M5 / M42 junction area drops out completely, BBC don't broadcast DAB much south of Taunton and there are sometimes some alarming noises when the signal gets weak, one of which sounds like you have just scraped the car along something! You get used to it though.
For someone like you DaveP, who must spend 3-4 hours a day in the car it may be worth it, depending how much you like radio.
Fen
The clarion I have takes ISO connectors which are fitted in the Ibiza however as with most VAG cars the memory power and igition power are pissed and need switching over. This is documented in the clarion manual though.
Right, now there are a few of us with the same model...
Does anyone else get a really annoying whistling noise coming from somewhere round the drivers door when travelling between about 55 and 80mph? I dont know if it is an ill fitting seal or a design 'feature' that affects all the cars (I know I can always turn up the stereo, but that aint the point ;-)
Originally posted by dave99
Does anyone else get a really annoying whistling noise
Nope.
Dug my old Sony HU out, cut up an old credit card and tried to get the old stereo out - did it eventually. Worth noting - the release mechanism works on the sides of the unit, so you need to pull the thing into the centre of the stereo.
Like you say the power wires need to be changed around, which I didn't have time to do - so am retuning each turn off. Dead easy.
Now I have pre-outs which means some wiring needs to be done...
My HU is a sony MD which was on special offer and was about £150 about 3yrs ago. The sound is a little better (more punchy) than the OEM one. Wouldn't be worth the money apart from the features it gives (preouts).
Filled up today, brimming and holding the button in managed to get 49.3 litres in (not bad for a 45 litre tank). Did 480+ miles on a tank :-) (means I can fill up every 2 days).
Originally posted by dave99
Does anyone else get a really annoying whistling noise coming from somewhere round the drivers door when travelling between about 55 and 80mph?
I'll listen out this evening, but I don't think so. I do think there is generally quite a bit of wind noise for a new car, especially compared to the Scooby which has frameless windows (never saw the point of them on the Impreza) but all around both sides. My rubber seal around the passenger door seems a bit proud of the body to me though.
Fen
I don't think I get a whistling sound but I honestly haven't driven the car at speed without th stereo on. I will check today though.
A point to note.
When replacing headlight bulbs it is advisable to tie something on to the metal reatining clip that holds the back on the light unit. I failed to do this on the passenger side one and on undoing the clip it fell into the engine bay. After an hour finally managed to get it out. Just thought I would save you guys any grief.
p.s
The big tray thing under the engine is a great idea until you need to get something back out from under there.
I'll listen out this evening, but I don't think so. I do think there is generally quite a bit of wind noise for a new car, especially compared to the Scooby which has frameless windows (never saw the point of them on the Impreza) but all around both sides.
Very true. Coming out of the toll booths in Spain in my Scooby, you had to shut the window, open the door and close it again to get a good seal.
Was a pain in the arse when you have a 7 Scooby 0 to 140mph drag race to participate in :D
Originally posted by Rage
A point to note.
When replacing headlight bulbs it is advisable to tie something on to the metal reatining clip that holds the back on the light unit.
Rage
What replacement bulbs have you fitted? also what are the fittings for the mains? have they made a big difference?
TDI sport glacier blue collecting Monday, month early!!
How long have you been waiting for the car Jif?
Originally posted by Rage
A point to note.
When replacing headlight bulbs it is advisable to tie something on to the metal reatining clip that holds the back on the light unit.
Rage
What replacement bulbs have you fitted? also what are the fittings for the mains? have they made a big difference?
TDI sport glacier blue collecting Monday, month early!!
Motorquip max blue.
I had them in my last Ibiza too and they throw out a good deal of light. In fact as I was coming home from the gym last night, I put on the main beam (which Ihadn't changed yet ) onyl to find that it didn't really make that much difference to what I could see.
So I changed the main beam bulbs today as well.
The side lights are now starting to look sorry for themselves as well.
So do they use seperate bulbs for main/full beam rather than a combined bulb?
The inner set of lights is the main beam. The outer big ones are headlights. and just above the indicators are the sidelights which are tiny.
Edit: changed picture. http://www.seat.co.uk/models/ibiza/gallery/large/001.jpg
Originally posted by Chri5B
How long have you been waiting for the car Jif?
Ordered on the 8 Aug, changed my mind on colour at the begining of Sept (to Polar blue). was quoted as "December sometime!" Its sitting on the forecourt now and i'm just waiting for the bank to relaese the money. Hopefully be able to collect on Friday Woohoo!:D
Also had the garage remove all the badging apart from TDi, think it looks cleaner like that. Didn,t want the TDI badge removed as i want people to know its a diesel that has just passed them:)
Premier just called me back, computer is showing 11 weeks. :(
They hope to beat it....
Chris, I'd be inclined to ring round some more dealers and see if they can source you one quicker. As you know got mine in under a week (maybe lucky!) in your colour so I suspect there must be some floating around the country. I know JCT Bradford are getting a Galcier Blue one in shortly as that is what they offered me initially. Anyhow hope you get sorted soon as there's nothing worse than waiting for a new motor.
:)
Cheers Ace. I might mail a couple of dealers and explore the situation.
Premier did say "they have a few cars in stock floating around" :confused: (well get them delivered then!) and they have a few TDIs on order.
The only thing worse than waiting for a new car is waiting for a new car and running around in a car that does 20 to the gallon :rolleyes:
muddyboots
07-11-2002, 08:42
Morning chaps
Anyone know the paint codes for the different colours on the Ibiza ?
I'm getting a spec & price together from Wim Pruijs in Holland, to see whether it's worth importing a 130 (long delivery wait, but v. cheap & lots of options you can't get here...)
They have the sames colours but they've got different names.
In particular, I'd be interested to know the paint codes for Platinum Grey and Eclipse Blue metallics.
Can anyone help me out here ?
Cheers
How cheap? How long?
Can't help with paint codes.
What I would do differently:
no stereo
auto dimming mirror
auto wipers
folding mirrors (no real reason - but not a lot of money).
xenons
ESP
muddyboots
07-11-2002, 12:41
Originally posted by DaveP
How cheap? How long?
...
no stereo
auto dimming mirror
auto wipers
folding mirrors (no real reason - but not a lot of money).
xenons
ESP
How long ? 5 - 6 months for the TDI Sport 130 (due to demand for the TDI 130 engine across the VW/Audi/Seat/Skoda range).
How cheap ?
Well Wim has asked me to keep the exact prices confidential, but here's a rough guide:
UK Spec TDI Sport 130 PD
+ Metallic Paint
+ ESP
+ Winter Pack (heated seats, headlamp washers)
+ Rain Sensor Pack (auto wipers, auto dimming mirror)
+ Xenon headlamps
.... was very roughly 2 grand (yes - £2000 !) cheaper than UK standard car list price.
Of course this depends on exchange rate at the time.
And as you know, the UK model can't have any extras - so more car for less money...
You can have them trailer it to Hook of Holland ferry port for a fee, where you can drive it onto the ferry back to Harwich.
Don't think foldy mirrors are available though...:rolleyes:
Because you "create" the UK spec by adding various extras like Alarm, RHD, Climatronic, Stereo etc to the dutch model, you could leave out the stereo too, and get it cheaper still. Technically it wouldn't be UK spec, but can't see it would matter.
I haven't placed an order yet, but I really don't think I can justify paying UK price when I can get more car for a lot less money....
If anyone's seriously interested, read the Importing Guide (http://www.seatcupra.net/reviews.php?descrip=Importing), and search the forums for feedback about Wim. All good as far as I can see.
(By the way, if you read the importing guide - the links to peoples import diaries need their URLs correcting to start with www.seatcupra.net, otherwise you get a not-found error.)
Wim's very helpful, speaks perfect English, responds quickly to all my emails, and knows all there is to know about exporting cars to us UK guys !
His email is wim@pruys.nl.
muddyboots
07-11-2002, 12:49
Originally posted by muddyboots
Anyone know the paint codes for the different colours on the Ibiza ?
No need - found out from the dealer in Holland (Wim Pruijs) what the equivalent names/codes are...
For reference:
Platinum grey is called 'Schaduw grijs' in Holland and the code is H2H2.
Eclipse blue is called 'Anniversario blauw' in Holland and has the code 1G1G.
I think that folding mirrors might be standard in europe. Look at the UK brochure/manual.
With me it was cheaper to buy here and get it within days than to wait - I wish I could have imported.
Be prepared for the 5-6months to go on for a bit longer, if other people's experiences are anything to go by.
Apparently all S3s have heated seats, you just get them plugged in if you pay for it. I wonder if there are heating elements in our seats?......
muddyboots
07-11-2002, 13:19
I'd originally been looking at ordering for delivery around March next year anyway, so if I ordered an import now it would only be a month or two longer.
Got to pay off my existing car loan first, which will take a few months.... :o
OK dumb question - what are foldy mirrors - do they fold back automatically when the ignition is off, do you manually switch them, or what ?
Ta !
Folding wing mirrors. There is a position on the mirror knob which folds the mirrors in, move it to another position and they fold out. It is not automatic, people have wibbled try stuff with VAG-COM but nothing has come of it.
The mirrors were nice on the leon because it was a tight fit getting the car in the garage without folding them.
muddyboots
07-11-2002, 15:56
Do they both fold at the same time, or can you control them individually ?
I can't see why you'd want to, was just wondering...
Muddyboots, just somethin i thought of with regards to importing from europe, i was looking into it and as well as a long wait there is a hefty deposit too....the ones i looked at anyway...about £4k?
Anyway, i ended up ordering from Ireland....a few differences, they are 5 door, 15inch alloys (i already have 17's), and a few other things but all in all you get the same extras as europe....i managed to get a full leather interior, xenons etc and i only paid a 500 euro deposit...and it should be here in january or end of december...i ordered at the end of October.
muddyboots
07-11-2002, 17:00
Jono
They want a deposit of 20% of the tax-free Dutch price.
It works out at just under £2k...
Both fold at the same time.
The only thing about the irish cars are the std air con and not climate.
Fitted my stereo yesterday; much better sound, but nothing outstanding with the standard speakers.
Did 580 mile round trip today, 50.4 mpg out and 49.5 mpg back. I filled up in Scunthorpe as diesel was cheaper than motorway services and put in £24.40 to brim after 369 miles (I still haven't looked into the overfill button thing yet).
The seat is killing me unfortunately. I'm going to have to sort out lumbar support this weekend and if that doesn't help drastically I really think I'm going to have to consider replacing the driver's seat.
Hope you get something arranged to get yours sooner Chris; it must be a right pain when several of us have just got ours. I spoke to www.tins.co.uk a couple of weeks ago and they could source UK cars for £12,400ish in 10-14 days. They phoned me back again today so are obviously keen to do business.
Fen
Oh yeah, my office is only about 15 miles from Richardsons (RPM), so I've asked them what they can do to the new Beezer; I'll keep you posted.
I'll try to give Tins a call tomorrow Fen.
Premier were completely up front about the wait, but when other dealers can pull cars out of thin air....
If you could keep me updated on what RPM are offering as well. I would apprieciate it.
I'll post up my RPM findings on here (although I may have to chase them it seems).
I drove on A-roads for the first time today from home to Devizes. There was much more opportunity to use the toque and the gearbox, and see what the limits are like on wet roundabouts. Generally I'm very happy; it still feels like its on sitlts (or maybe that's lack of shoulder support from the seats making my upper body feel loose?) but aside from provoking the TCS deliberately I didn't get to the sliding around point, but then I still don't know which end goes first nor how suddenly. There didn't seem to be any lift-off oversteer to be played with.
The computer reported 45.5 for the trip, which isn't bad since I was either in traffic of giving it some for most of the time.
By the time I get home tonight I should have put 1,700 miles on it since Sunday.
Fen
TCS
weird, but it feels like it gives you plenty of spin. Nice for wearing out the really crap tyres.
I don't remember my cupra spinning the inside wheel anywhere near as much as in the ibiza.
Originally posted by DaveP
TCS
weird, but it feels like it gives you plenty of spin. Nice for wearing out the really crap tyres.
I don't remember my cupra spinning the inside wheel anywhere near as much as in the ibiza.
Yep, I only knew it was working because the light flashed.
Fen
I tried without the TCS yesterday. Turns the car into a kerb-seeking missile on wet roundabouts.
Wheelspinning in a straight line and switching it on demos how bloody impressive it is.
BTW how did you get into the seat to add your foam? I am in posession of a lumbar support, but haven't had any success with a very quick look at getting inside the cover.
Found out the TCS was good when I was at alconbury. I managed to wheelspin in 3rd on the autotest course.
I forgot to post this yesterday; I tried the tank vent 'nipple' at my last fill. The pump clicked off at £28 odds and I managed to get over £39 in by venting:eek:
This evening the trip is showing 180 miles since the fill and the gauge hasn't moved off max yet, but since it doesn't normally move until nearly 100 miles and I got an extra 120+ miles worth of fuel in that would be right.
Originally posted by RB5
BTW how did you get into the seat to add your foam? I am in posession of a lumbar support, but haven't had any success with a very quick look at getting inside the cover.
Tilt your seat forward, look at the bottom of the seat back, there is a join, almost looks like there is a zip hiding in there. Grab both sides pinch them together it should just come apart (with a fair bit of force).
Mine is still flapping about so if you have problems then I could take a picture to show you, but a bit of force should sort it (it is not that easy to put it back together).
Will wait for a road report tomorrow afternoon!
Dave,
You must have steel fingers! I got it apart by using pliers, and managed to get it back together again with them also. We'll see tomorrow if it has made enough difference to the seat.
Fen
Somebody asked how far people had gone with the fuel light on a while ago.
Well, tonight I did 49 miles (the trip was saying 0 to go for at least half of it) as part of a 601.5 mile tank. The fog this morning and traffic this afternoon kept my speed down. Oh that was all done today BTW; first service on Thursday at 9700 miles, so 4,700 miles in 25 days. Your's must be due soon too Dave?
Booked in for Tuesday, quoted £70 + VAT. Beaten me, although I have done 595 with about 10 miles on the computer left. I don't believe it though - I have a feeling it must be more than that.
That equals about 45mpg. Not bad.
Found out that I have no dash lights for the fogs and a knocking noise under acceleration when turning left.
You must be crying out for an LSD? I have never driven a car that wants to spin the inside wheel so much!
Well, tonight I did 49 miles (the trip was saying 0 to go for at least half of it) as part of a 601.5 mile tank.
Did you fill using the expansion tweak thingy? 550+ to a tank sounds like music to my ears :D
Dave,
I was empty after 601 miles. The trip showed 51.3 or whatever for the tank, but it's probably optimistic. I didn't see how much I could squeeze in since I stopped at Tesco's because Esso was closed for a delivery, but the usual £28 odds without venting.
I find the TCS isn't too bad at taming the worst of the wheelspin, and both fronts light up in 1st & 2nd (and 3rd if it's wet), so an LSD wouldn't help there, probably just make it go straight on.
Something stops me from wanting to throw it around too much, I'm hoping it's the lack of upper body location from the seat, because it's got to go after todays session; I feel like I'm 30 years older, or the ride height because I'm going to address that too.
Chris,
Yes, I always use the venting nipple (bar tonight at Tesco) because the less often I have to stop and put on those plastic gloves the better. It gets about £10 more in from what I can tell, nd I have a technique that doesn't take too long now. 525-550 is more my normal tank, but when I saw that the trip thought I could get 600 out of this one I really wanted to go for it.
I must be doing something wrong cos I can't get more than 475 out of my tank.
Both Dave and I drive long distances early in the morning when you can get up to a speed and stay there. My average mpg usually reads very high 40's for a trip, but on a weekend when I might just trundle into town then it may drop under 30.
Are you managing to put 45+ litres in, if not are you brimming/venting?
This morning I got 80% to work and my average was only 38mpg (36mpg about 50% way - but that is the fast bit). Don't know why, wasn't going that fast.
Originally posted by DaveP
This morning I got 80% to work and my average was only 38mpg (36mpg about 50% way - but that is the fast bit). Don't know why, wasn't going that fast.
I reckon wind makes a huge difference; I know a slight incline does, so probably anything stronger than a breeze has a noticeable nagative effect.
600 on a tank!
What am I doing wrong or is it that my car is still new at only 800'ish miles on the clock. The last two tanks have come back at about 41 mpg and only getting 310'ish miles before the warning light comes on (by the way scared the living daylights out of the wife when it first beeped at her!). Maybe it's because i'm only really doing short journey's (about 7 mile to work) and I haven't had chance to take it on a long run yet.
How are you guys using the venting button thingy ? do you have to pull the nozzle out and hold it down with the end as you fill? I tried this the other day but was afraid of diesel spewing back on me.
Apart from the above the car is going great. Almost run in, then I can open it out a bit.
:D
I've found that putting on two disposable gloves (one on each hand!) and then holding the nozzle with your left lets you poke your right index finger down the neck enough to push the nipple down. That way you can keep the nozzle in as far as normal so it just clicks off as usual without spilling.
Cheers I'll try that next time.
;)
I fill up normally then try to angle the pump so that it catches the button, otherwise, I take my life in my hands and press the button with the end of the pump. With the fuel light on you should expect to get well over 40 litres in there, Not managed 50 litres yet.
For the first time ever I managed to get an astounding 68.8Mpg on my journey home from work (50 miles) it did however mean I had to go so damn slow it was embarassing.
My normal driving normally rewards me with 47.8mpg if not more. I haven't got a tank of fuel to last more than 500 miles though.
The beep is a bit disconcerting the first time you hear it! (as well as the ice warning sound :-)
I am getting about 45mpg at the moment with nearly 4000 miles on the clock. Apparently, coasting up to red lights in a low gear can do wonders for your mpg around town (ie dont coast up out of gear or with the clutch depressed, but stay in 2nd/3rd gear as far as poss) - when slowing down in gear, the engine uses less fuel than if you just let it idle out of gear. Also, a more conservative driving style helps around town - smooth acceleration rather than foot to the floor :-)
When your computer's instantaneous reading shows "-----" then it is in some kind of fuel shut off mode.
8000 miles unwashed!? Can you still see your wheels???
Blimey, after 500miles my wheels are almost black!
Actually now it is more like 9300+ :D they ARE nice and black now. To be honest, I drive to wok - it's dark outside, I drive home - it's dark outside. I vaguely care in the summer.
getting good mpg around town is easy by just sticking it in 5th and taking your feet off the pedals the car will remain at 30mph (ish) and you get great fuel returns.
It all seems to go to crap when I hit the motorway though.
I got the car back from SMC in Exeter on Saturday morning after the first service. £76.odds and they used some Titan(?) PD oil. Problems they picked up were front tyres wearing excessively on the inside edge and the car showing signs of an oil leak. They are also still waiting for a seat belt pretensioner to cure my permanent air-bag light. 2 reasons for them to have it back again in the very near future then. More interestingly they also painted my mirror backs, door handles, the rims round the air vents and the black bit under the back bumper in luvverly yellow.
I then drove round to Protyre to have my 17's fitted (and a tracking adjustment!) only to find that one had a weird blemish in the centre, like a scratch but under the paint. A replacement should be there on Monday and I have the day off, so it should be looking a bit meaner tomorrow.
Bizarrely today I went to Tesco's and found a space right next to an Ovni TDi Sport! It was nice to get a chance to see the improvement the paint had made; the under bumper especially looks good, but I only wanted a few bits and was out again before the other owner so I didn't get to speak to them.
If I get the wheels tomorrow, and I get back before dark, I'll post a piccy before I get the car filthy again.
interesting about the oil leak - I guess you will never see drips on the path/road any more with that plastic tray under then engine!
Well, that's the thing; the indication is oil all down the floor of the car. I assumed that the 1.5 litres I had to put in over 5k miles was because it was a new engine.
I have put about 0.3 litre in mine for the first 10k.
I'm all extremely jealous of you guys as I couldn't get insured on a TDi, so I'm lumbered with the 1.4 16v version.
RB5, do you have any pics of your rear valance now it is painted? I want to do this to my Sport along with the handles, side strips and mirror covers (all sitting here waiting for spraying!)
Originally posted by muddyboots
Jono
They want a deposit of 20% of the tax-free Dutch price.
It works out at just under £2k...
you need to shop about. I think the only difference on mine from NCT was the amount of deposit compare to Wim. £900 was all that was reqd and I saved getting on for 4k.
surely the TDi isnt that much more to insure than the 16v!? The TDi is only group 7 :-)
Originally posted by toXXin
RB5, do you have any pics of your rear valance now it is painted? I want to do this to my Sport along with the handles, side strips and mirror covers (all sitting here waiting for spraying!)
Only a really cruddy one taken with my 'phone.
I'll see if I can take one in the dark with the flash and post it later tonight.
RE: Insurance.
It didn't cost me any extra to transfer my policy with 6 months to go and I was changing from a Toyota Corolla 1.3 !!! so to say I was pleased was an understatement. To be refused insurance on a group 7 car you must have a few crashes or plenty of points on your licence to warrent that. Still if your pleased with the 1.4 sport who cares.
Your more than welcome to join in the banter with us oil burners.
:cheers:
Originally posted by toXXin
I'm all extremely jealous of you guys as I couldn't get insured on a TDi, so I'm lumbered with the 1.4 16v version.
RB5, do you have any pics of your rear valance now it is painted? I want to do this to my Sport along with the handles, side strips and mirror covers (all sitting here waiting for spraying!)
Here's a piccy tken in the dark; sorry it's rubbish.
I'll try to take some of the car in the daylight if it's still clean enough at the weekend.
Just paid £160 for it's 10k service. How much! :eek:
Oh and my signature lies, they didn't even f'ing wash it!
Originally posted by DaveP
Just paid £160 for it's 10k service. How much! :eek:
Oh and my signature lies, they didn't even f'ing wash it!
So paying £20 extra per month for servicing and tyres was a good call then!
Originally posted by Chri5B
So paying £20 extra per month for servicing and tyres was a good call then!
Mine was £76.something on Thursday!
Robertio, what's haappening with your import?
Robertio
05-12-2002, 19:09
Originally posted by RB5
Robertio, what's haappening with your import?
It has been cancelled, last I was told it might be January, but because of the xenons more likely February :(
Not bad for a 3-4 month delivery time for an order placed June/July. Not sure exactly how much it has cost me, it is somewhere between 500 and a grand, suffice to say I'll not be buying (or trying to buy) a Seat ever again.
On a positive note, I should be getting its replacement on the 19th, when I'll return to the world of 17mpg :D
Robertio
05-12-2002, 19:26
Nope, been there and done that, so going for something different :) It is staying top secret this time though. I will let you know when I've got the car, but until then no-one will know (OK, well a couple of people have guessed / know because I've been geting insurance quotes from them, but other than that.)
It is now my mission to find out...
Mr Evo man?
Robertio
05-12-2002, 19:40
Not telling :p I've been getting this from my parents, work mates, friends, etc. but like them you will have to wait 2 weeks :) If you want to find out slightly earlier than most then I'll be collecting it from somewhere near Gatwick first thing on that morning :)
Robertio
05-12-2002, 19:49
I'll make this my last post in these parts, I don't feel it is appropriate for me to be posting on a Seat board given my current dislike for the brand as a whole.
Everyone around here knows about the problems I have had so there is no need for me to go on.
Thanks to everyone on here for their help and advice :) My email is in my profile and I'll be around on scoobynet amongst others if anyone is looking for me.
Thanks again
Originally posted by Robertio
It has been cancelled, last I was told it might be January, but because of the xenons more likely February :(
Not bad for a 3-4 month delivery time for an order placed June/July. Not sure exactly how much it has cost me, it is somewhere between 500 and a grand, suffice to say I'll not be buying (or trying to buy) a Seat ever again.
On a positive note, I should be getting its replacement on the 19th, when I'll return to the world of 17mpg :D
Wow, that's pathetic Rob. :mad: Makes a mockery of this whole EU trade thing.
Another Scooby or something that loves petrol just as much?
Originally posted by Robertio
I'll make this my last post in these parts, I don't feel it is appropriate for me to be posting on a Seat board given my current dislike for the brand as a whole.
Everyone around here knows about the problems I have had so there is no need for me to go on.
Thanks to everyone on here for their help and advice :) My email is in my profile and I'll be around on scoobynet amongst others if anyone is looking for me.
Thanks again
Sorry to see you go, but I understand where you're coming from.
I take it you'll spill the beans on SN on the 19th then?
Here's a better piccy of the rear with the painted valance.
I almost took the badges off today, what do you folks think?
Well I finally took my SE badge of mine yesterday and I think it's just right now. Lets people know it's a diesel that's just past them.
The car is now loosening up (1200 mls) and MPG getting better. I think I needed to adapt my driving style to get the best economy out of it. Just need to teach the Wife now, checked the trip computer today after she had been using it - mid to late 30's:eek:
How do you think I should suggest the sudden hike in performance to her in a couple of weeks!!!!!!!:D
Would she swallow a line like 'turns out it hasn't been running properly since I got it; it's fixed now, thank God, you should try it!'
Mine had only driven my car once before it was done and didn't notice ;)
Mmmm, she might go for that. I am not sure how she drives it when I'm not in the car though, I suspect slowly - frightens the hell out of her when I boot it. So as the car is getting quicker anyway she just might buy 'it's going great now it's run in luv'. ;)
Anyway if you suddenly stop hearing from me in a couple of weeks you know she has found out. :angel:
Tell her that you will get better fuel economy! Blimey I averaged about 115 to work the other morning and the computer was still showing late 30s
martynhuk
13-12-2002, 10:53
Guys what sort of insurance quotes did you get for the standard 130 and how much did it increase for say, the APR(180 bhp) chip?
:cheers:
I didn't have to pay a bean extra moving from a Toyota Corolla 1.3 with 6 months left on the policy !!!! I was well chuffed. Make sure that your insurers are aware the Sport is fitted with Thatcham cat 1 alarm as standard although they should already know this. If you look in the Leon forums you will find some references to Insurance companies, some even offering discount if you are a member of this forum.
Anyway whatever you decide the Ibiza TDi Sport is cheap to insure (group 7) considering its performance levels so good look, hope you decide to take the plunge and join the few.
:D
Have spoke to Premier this afternoon.
Car is built and should be in the UK early Jan.
Roll on 2003...
BeezerDiesel
14-12-2002, 05:11
Fen; perhaps remove the factory badges and just leave a TDI badge on the rear wing where it wraps around just above the bumper on the rear ie. next to but not on the tailgate?
Interesting idea. If I did that I think I'd get VW badges as they are bigger.
BeezerDiesel
15-12-2002, 10:42
Yeah I was thinking the VW ones; the all red ones
yyeeeeeeeeee haaaaaaaaaaa
woooooooo hooooooooo
I'm still shaking it was so much fun.
I was on my way home from work. Driving as always sensibly and very slowly (tee hee ) getting a steady 42.1mpg when on exiting the M4 I did spot a leon cupra after passing him swiftly on the duel carriage way he seemed to remember where his accelerator was and tried to keep up. (tee hee giggle).
:car:
I win I win :flag:
:wiz:
big grin
:dance1:
:lol2:
STRIKE ONE !
It's going to be so much fun playing with unsuspecting Cupra owners.:D
Nice one mate.
It looked like he was really trying. I'm still grinning now.
About £500 for 55k miles, 6 points + business use