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CupraTgirl
10-05-2006, 10:42
Hello everyone
I have just done a LONG searchy about 'Replacement Water Pumps' and wanted to check this is the best one to get
I have read that there is the normal 'plastic' one, one with a 'brass impeller' and one with 'cast iron impeller' although i dont know which is best?
I have my 60,000 mile Service, Cambelt, Tensioner and Water Pump change on Monday and really need to get one for then, unless i get a 'plastic' one again?
Have a look at this linky of the 'brass impeller' one
http://www.seatspares.com/
Ruddmeister
10-05-2006, 11:11
Brass Impellar seems fine better than OEM plastic
15900 (65412) Water Pump
Additional Info: New type pump with Brass impeller
Also try the GermanSwedishFrench Web site as they do one.....so I'm told
Scotty_b
10-05-2006, 11:35
APR also do one i think (or it may be someone elses part) as a friend had one done when they did his TT in biester (sp?)
CupraTgirl
10-05-2006, 11:43
I didnt think it was as cheap as that to be honest! No that im complaining as the Service is going to be mega expensive
Ruddmeister
10-05-2006, 11:53
I didnt think it was as cheap as that to be honest! No that im complaining as the Service is going to be mega expensive
Yep part is dirt cheap £20-£25
problem is 4-5hrs of labour at £40+
(Add cambelt and other bits and it it's a £220+ ish job then + VAT)
CupraTgirl
10-05-2006, 12:03
Yep part is dirt cheap £20-£25
problem is 4-5hrs of labour at £40+
(Add cambelt and other bits and it it's a £220+ ish job then + VAT)
Yeah this is the thing, i have been quoted about £180 for the Cambelt & Tensioner kit and then with labour about £210, if i supply the Water Pump it should be about £250 all done but then the Service on top of that will be about £100 so i think around about £350-£450 for the whole thing
The good thing is that the garage pick my car up from my house and drop it back off! They are VW Specialists and used to work at Colbournes and have worked on mine and my families cars for years
CupraTgirl
10-05-2006, 15:36
Ruddmeister - I have looked on the German, Fench & Swedish site and i cannot see anything about a Water Pump with a 'brass impeller?'
Ruddmeister
10-05-2006, 16:55
Ruddmeister - I have looked on the German, Fench & Swedish site and i cannot see anything about a Water Pump with a 'brass impeller?'
Only what I heard from someone on here.
99% sure these people do one, give them a call, very helpfull when I called them
http://www.murraysdirect.co.uk/21261.html
CupraTgirl
10-05-2006, 17:03
Only what I heard from someone on here.
99% sure these people do one, give them a call, very helpfull when I called them
http://www.murraysdirect.co.uk/21261.html
Thank you for that, i really appreciate it ;)
Only what I heard from someone on here.
99% sure these people do one, give them a call, very helpfull when I called them
http://www.murraysdirect.co.uk/21261.html
I'd second that, very good place. I used to live and work near by and they would rather not sell something than sell poor quality stuff. They told me to go to a dealer for a clutch cable instead of trying to sell me the wrong one. I think they pick the good bits from GS&F and then source other stuff as well.
SpareMan
11-05-2006, 09:28
Yeah this is the thing, i have been quoted about £180 for the Cambelt & Tensioner kit and then with labour about £210, if i supply the Water Pump it should be about £250 all done but then the Service on top of that will be about £100 so i think around about £350-£450 for the whole thing
If you want to save yourself some money don't change the water pump, it doesn't need doing. Chances are it will last ages yet (though of course it might not, but there again you can say that for any part)
Also are you sure cambelt needs doing (you got 1.8VT ?), it should be inspected, only replaced if required, its possibly got another 50K on it
CupraTgirl
11-05-2006, 09:39
If you want to save yourself some money don't change the water pump, it doesn't need doing. Chances are it will last ages yet (though of course it might not, but there again you can say that for any part)
Also are you sure cambelt needs doing (you got 1.8VT ?), it should be inspected, only replaced if required, its possibly got another 50K on it
I have heard that the Water Pump should be done when the Cambelt is done because they are known to go on these cars and the labour required to fit a new one is about the same as fitting a new Cambelt so may as well do it at the same time
I also have heard that the Cambelt doesnt need doing until 80,000 miles and 120,000 miles but can go at any time, i had it checked at 50,000 miles but i think it says in the manual that the 60,000 mile Service is Cambelt?
Yeah i have a MK3 Ibiza Cupra
If it was me I would repalce the cambelt and water pump at the same time. I never take risks with cambelts and I know too many people that have had failed water pumps (including me!).
CupraTgirl
11-05-2006, 09:51
If it was me I would repalce the cambelt and water pump at the same time. I never take risks with cambelts and I know too many people that have had failed water pumps (including me!).
Yeah i do loads of driving so i think i will get it all done on Monday
SpareMan
11-05-2006, 14:27
I have heard that the Water Pump should be done when the Cambelt is done because they are known to go on these cars and the labour required to fit a new one is about the same as fitting a new Cambelt so may as well do it at the same time
I also have heard that the Cambelt doesnt need doing until 80,000 miles and 120,000 miles but can go at any time, i had it checked at 50,000 miles but i think it says in the manual that the 60,000 mile Service is Cambelt?
Yeah i have a MK3 Ibiza Cupra
A lot of people like to do the water pump at the same time as the cambelt for the reasons you say, I was just pointing out that it is not necessary and could save you a few bob in the short term. Where I work we have changed very few water pumps, they do not go as often as most people think.
As for cambelt change, on any petrol SEAT model they should be inspected every service from 60K onwards and changed if required. If the belt is fine it does not need changing. The cut off is 120K when it must be changed, or at 5 years whichever comes first. If you can trust your garage to do their job properly then there is no need to change it yet
CupraTgirl
11-05-2006, 14:55
A lot of people like to do the water pump at the same time as the cambelt for the reasons you say, I was just pointing out that it is not necessary and could save you a few bob in the short term. Where I work we have changed very few water pumps, they do not go as often as most people think.
As for cambelt change, on any petrol SEAT model they should be inspected every service from 60K onwards and changed if required. If the belt is fine it does not need changing. The cut off is 120K when it must be changed, or at 5 years whichever comes first. If you can trust your garage to do their job properly then there is no need to change it yet
I think it would be a good idea for me to get the Water Pump done as its only about £20 and would be cheaper than getting the Cambelt done and then having to get the Water Pump done a different time
I had it looked at when it was on 50,000 (well 54,000 as that is when the Service was needed it had gone a bit out of synch because it wasnt done until 44,000 instead of 40,000) and its 5 years old now so doesnt that mean that even though its only done 60,000 and not 120,000 it should still be changed?
Scotty_b
11-05-2006, 15:02
Best to get it done as when the car goes for an MOT and its not been done at the manufactures suggested millage if it breaks its down to you. And they do give them some rollox to do the emmisions!
CupraTgirl
11-05-2006, 15:18
Best to get it done as when the car goes for an MOT and its not been done at the manufactures suggested millage if it breaks its down to you. And they do give them some rollox to do the emmisions!
What do they do to test emmisions?
Scotty_b
11-05-2006, 15:22
Stick a prob up the zorst and rev it to certain ranges for certain periods. Depending on the car.
Just be glad you havent got a diesel as they take it to red line and hold it!
CupraTgirl
11-05-2006, 15:25
Stick a prob up the zorst and rev it to certain ranges for certain periods. Depending on the car.
Just be glad you havent got a diesel as they take it to red line and hold it!
Hhmm it does make me not want anyone to have their hands on my car
I have it going to the bodyshop next week after my Service to have the dent done, i will be taking a picture of the mileage before hand and i will also tell them not to drive it as i will be checking it!
Cant have it being driven hard after having a new Cambelt etc
Scotty_b
11-05-2006, 15:42
Its should be fine but you know what sods laws like, better to know before than after. A little (very sad tho) trick i do is take a photo of the alloys, millage and general bits of the car before it goes anywhere with a date on it so if the do argue i have proof. Unfortuantly ive learnt the hard way and do this all the time now. Even with places i trust as some times im not sure if they did it ir not!
CupraTgirl
11-05-2006, 15:46
Its should be fine but you know what sods laws like, better to know before than after. A little (very sad tho) trick i do is take a photo of the alloys, millage and general bits of the car before it goes anywhere with a date on it so if the do argue i have proof. Unfortuantly ive learnt the hard way and do this all the time now. Even with places i trust as some times im not sure if they did it ir not!
Yeah i think i will do that because i am not having someone driving it hard after having spent all that money on a Service etc
I suppose it means i have a good excuse to take more picture of her ;)
Scotty_b
11-05-2006, 15:47
Thats a very good point. Before and after so you can see hwo much better it looks. Are youi going to ask them to touch a few bits in while they have the paint there? As it will be far cheaper (if they charge at all)
CupraTgirl
11-05-2006, 15:51
Thats a very good point. Before and after so you can see hwo much better it looks. Are youi going to ask them to touch a few bits in while they have the paint there? As it will be far cheaper (if they charge at all)
They are going to try and re-align where the crash happened as the wing and front bumper are not sitting flush but i dont know if touching up is a good idea? I mean do they just dab paint in the chips or do they lightly spray over it?
Scotty_b
11-05-2006, 16:07
Depends what you ask for. But even getting them touched in will look far better as it wont stand out from a distance
andycupra
11-05-2006, 17:03
Its should be fine but you know what sods laws like, better to know before than after. A little (very sad tho) trick i do is take a photo of the alloys, millage and general bits of the car before it goes anywhere with a date on it so if the do argue i have proof. Unfortuantly ive learnt the hard way and do this all the time now. Even with places i trust as some times im not sure if they did it ir not!
my bro often takes pics with his phone of cars either side of him when he parks... just in case..
Alex, murrey's is a good little shop, you probably will get the pump delivered as monday is not far away, but just so you know you pass it when you go to the herts meet! well more under it really as its next to the shopping centre thats on top of the hatfield tunnel.
could save you some pennies if you need anything in the future
CupraTgirl
11-05-2006, 17:08
my bro often takes pics with his phone of cars either side of him when he parks... just in case..
Alex, murrey's is a good little shop, you probably will get the pump delivered as monday is not far away, but just so you know you pass it when you go to the herts meet! well more under it really as its next to the shopping centre thats on top of the hatfield tunnel.
could save you some pennies if you need anything in the future
I wonder if i can just get the garage doing it to get hold of one for me? I think i need to call them to see if the will do that
Triple D
12-05-2006, 00:09
Stick a prob up the zorst and rev it to certain ranges for certain periods. Depending on the car.
Just be glad you havent got a diesel as they take it to red line and hold it!
UH OH, they are gonna love mine then :lol: redline, pop, the turbo has gone, yeah cheers for that mr MOT man,:w4nk:
SpareMan
12-05-2006, 10:00
I think it would be a good idea for me to get the Water Pump done as its only about £20 and would be cheaper than getting the Cambelt done and then having to get the Water Pump done a different time
I had it looked at when it was on 50,000 (well 54,000 as that is when the Service was needed it had gone a bit out of synch because it wasnt done until 44,000 instead of 40,000) and its 5 years old now so doesnt that mean that even though its only done 60,000 and not 120,000 it should still be changed?
Yep, get it done as 5 years old
CupraTgirl
12-05-2006, 10:01
Yep, get it done as 5 years old
Wicked! Thank you for all your help, its much appreciated ;)
im gettin my cambelt done at my local dealer but for a lot sell then your willing to pay
any joy on finding a metal/brass one? If so where from?
I'm on the phone to murrays now - say they've only got plastic :(
Service is next monday/tuesday
CupraTgirl
16-05-2006, 09:42
any joy on finding a metal/brass one? If so where from?
I'm on the phone to murrays now - say they've only got plastic :(
Service is next monday/tuesday
I had my Service, Cambelt, Tensioners and Water Pump all done yesterday!
I asked them what Water Pump they had put on as i had said about the 'Brass Impeller' one and they said they put a Cast Iron one on
tis ok - they had a metal one after all - i've order it at £21 odd + vat.
CupraTgirl
16-05-2006, 09:46
tis ok - they had a metal one after all - i've order it at £21 odd + vat.
Is that a Brass Impeller or Cast Iron?
grant@westec.uk
16-05-2006, 09:50
Does anyone know who actually makes these water pumps? I'm after buying a stock of them.
Mine was read out to me but i forgot what he said - it was a German make... GK or something perhaps???
CupraTgirl
16-05-2006, 10:02
Does anyone know who actually makes these water pumps? I'm after buying a stock of them.
Im not sure to be honest? I could ask the garage where they got it from if you want?
04_cupra_r
22-07-2008, 00:38
I have heard that the Water Pump should be done when the Cambelt is done because they are known to go on these cars and the labour required to fit a new one is about the same as fitting a new Cambelt so may as well do it at the same time
I also have heard that the Cambelt doesnt need doing until 80,000 miles and 120,000 miles but can go at any time, i had it checked at 50,000 miles but i think it says in the manual that the 60,000 mile Service is Cambelt?
Yeah i have a MK3 Ibiza Cupra
My local SEAT garage fit a new waterpump as standard to the Cupra models as they are so prone to going, they just include it in the price when quoting. And i know they are not ripping me off as they are family and i pay a fraction of the price for labour and all my parts are trade price. For what it cost and the trouble that happens when they go for £20 its worth changing a part that seems to go wrong before they should, especially if you get the 225 TT pump. I was even warned about it when I bought the car 4 years ago and today it finally went about 2 miles from home after driving for about 2.5 hours. Will be booking it in tomorrow for a full service, cambelt and waterpump.