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Right its time to make a decission about the Ibiza. Theres 5-6 options i can think of but what would you do?.
redcupratdi
29-05-2006, 12:47
tell us the 5!
There ya go, take your pic.
P.S your quick.
I think a better question would be, what do you want from a car, that your Ibiza doesnt do? ie: What is it thats making you want to sell it or change it?
I think a better question would be, what do you want from a car, that your Ibiza doesnt do? ie: What is it thats making you want to sell it or change it?
I fancy a change but when looking upon the options its just been a great car and what do you change it for i would be sad to see it go. But is it time to think with the head and not with the heart. I have thought on it for a long time and vowed i would not do it over again but its good having a little project on the go and it keeps me intrested and it a nice hobby. If i changed make i would miss the Seat banter etc. Its a tough call.
I have thought on it for a long time and vowed i would not do it over again but its good having a little project on the go and it keeps me intrested and it a nice hobby. If i changed make i would miss the Seat banter etc. Its a tough call. that's exactly how i feel about mine! 4 years on and still loving it:) it's the whole package not just the car. it's about going to meets,shows etc! keep your car mate and get it tuned to 400-450bhp:blink: that'll revive some of the magic again:funk: i'm like you in that if i bought another car, could i spend shit loads on that too?-answer to that is a big fat NO! keep your car mate:D
redcupratdi
29-05-2006, 13:56
i think a lsd would bring some new found fun mines got 200bhp and it spins tyres in the dry coming round or out of bends.
Option 7... Swap it for a black Mk4 Cupra TDI ;)
I'd keep it to be honest. The amount you've put into it, it'd be a shame to watch someone else drive off in it. Keep moving it on, 1.9 with the diff and clutch. However as long as you keep it reliable and quick, thats all you can ask for :D
that's exactly how i feel about mine! 4 years on and still loving it:) it's the whole package not just the car. it's about going to meets,shows etc! keep your car mate and get it tuned to 400-450bhp:blink: that'll revive some of the magic again:funk: i'm like you in that if i bought another car, could i spend shit loads on that too?-answer to that is a big fat NO! keep your car mate:D
The Ibiza has been the best car i have ever owned, its not a great handler they have there faults but theres no better feeling than sucking a Tvr Tuscan through the induction kit and blowing it out of the exhaust. Its stealthy and does not attract to much attention. The game has moved on and IHI vf34 .18 is now at the lower end of the BT scene but in the 30-150mph stakes it a great turbo and is still a good all round performer. I think its lacks the 6500-7800rpm punch i require and i dont think a 18g is a big enough step up if i am doing the internals etc. I would think a td05 20g or td06 20g is the next step forward the td05 20g being bigger than the pe1820f by 20-30bhp @ the fly and it should make a safe 400-410bhp consistently on a largeport, and the td06 20g on a flowed smallport should be good for 435-440bhp and 450-460bhp on the largeport. But its all down to how much lag you can live with.
If its been the best car you've ever had, it'd be criminal to sell!
Yeah thats my thought exactly! I've put circia 15k on my big turbo set up and i can't believe what a kicking these cars take;) Serously the Vag lump is well under rated and little poeple know of there full potential.
If you read other forums in the states espeacially our projects look small and to keep at the top of the game gets more and more exspensive by the month:happy: but the result is positive. to get a 1.8vt to 400bhp use to be a bit of a dream but with the use of more effecient turbos it gets closer. Its a very personal thing with regards to the turbo spec. High power goals with lag being your enemy may get annoying off the light drags but suitable for the track.
I find there is always something i could change or generally spend cash on the car to improve it, but if it wasn't an ibiza it would be some other hobby in my case and secondly if like me you've already spent thousands then it does seem a waste.
I vote Option 8 GT35R [B)]
Heres some nice info. The td05 20g is a nice looking option. 44.5lb/min compressor wheel compared to the 39lb/min 18g and a td06 20g's 49lb/min comp wheel. It could be the turbo the Pe1820f should have been. And could well be a real 400-410bhp turbo with supporting mods. It should spool a lot better than the td06 turbo as well.
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Compressor wheel flow ratings comparison
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SZ57 800 57
SZ55 770 55
SZ53 735 53
SZ49 690 49
20G 640 44.5
18G 590 39
"Super" 16G 585 37
"Big" 16G 525 34
"Standard" 16G 520 33.5
15G 420 26
13G 360 22
09B 275 18
CustardCupra
29-05-2006, 19:49
Sell it and buy something else.
Then we can all stop listening to your whinging :whistle: :funk:
Like i was listening to yours less than 4 weeks ago, old Porsche ring a bell.
john banks
30-05-2006, 22:33
Sell it. You're in too deep with one car IMHO and having the frustrations that go with it. Once you start changing turbo and gearbox you've probably gone further than is sensible and should start with a different base car. Once you pull the engine it has got silly for a road car.
I say all of this from the financial point of view, and also having a complete package without the foibles and damn irritations of a heavily modified car. It is waiting for what will break next.
100 BHP and lbft per wheel is nice and balanced. If you want to go fast everywhere you need to drive more wheels and start with a fundamentally sorted chassis. Your base car is suspect to start with as a handler, and more power doesn't improve it. Mods can mitigate this to a point, but start with the best car for your needs and move from there. It even works out cheaper in the long run.
depends if you want something unique or the same as someone else......
depends if you have the 'explore' gene........
some of us are serial modders, a sad group who will forever be poor and unsatisfied and there is no cure
(I voted 450hp, lsd, new clutch, shit or bust, and get an old fiesta for the times when its broken)
I change my mind every day. The RCM hybrid p18 turbo looks intresting as does a td06 20g on smallport. But so does a 500bhp evo/scoob. These should be the nice decissions in life the ones where you get to do what you want but its a tough choice and you want to make the right decission.
Thanks for your replys.
on that point gary, should you make the wrong decision, i think it would be a lot easier to move on a 500hp evo/scoob than it would a 450hp ibiza
nice decisions to make all the same tho :)
BlackCupraa
31-05-2006, 22:08
What do you want from a car Gary, a capable hatchback which will keep with the best of them on a rolling start...........
Or a very capable car which will keep with everything on a straight and in the twisties.
john banks
01-06-2006, 09:35
I wonder if the poll would be different if you asked people who had done the mods you mention or similar mods to another car?
There is a big difference between the sexy idea of doing this and the reality of living with it IMHO.
I wonder if the poll would be different if you asked people who had done the mods you mention or similar mods to another car?
.why? taken mine to a much higher level and it's great! surprised at your comments tbh especially as your scoob is over 400bhp?
thechief
12-06-2006, 00:05
why? taken mine to a much higher level and it's great! surprised at your comments tbh especially as your scoob is over 400bhp?
I think John might be meaning folks who've done this to FWD cars.
john banks
12-06-2006, 17:16
My reasons are in post #16 and are exactly a result of taking things too far and regretting it.... Living with an 11 sec 1/4 miler with 120+mph trap times as a daily driver is not pretty IMHO when it requires pulling the engine and gearbox out and putting them back in again after major fettling, reliability goes out the window for most cars that you could do this to on a budget. At least doing it to a TT you should be starting with a stronger engine/gearbox and 4WD?
The other option is keeping the stnd Internals and fitting a td05 EvoIII 16g.
john banks
12-06-2006, 17:55
It will take snot loads of boost and should spool nicely. Just check the reverse spin issue on some Evo turbos, not sure about the Evo III...
It will take snot loads of boost and should spool nicely. Just check the reverse spin issue on some Evo turbos, not sure about the Evo III...
I think the EvoIII is okay John, it would be nice if it could make an extra 30bhp more than the vf34 but hold the power further up the rev range make peak power slighly later.
The other option is keeping the stnd Internals and fitting a td05 EvoIII 16g.you'd have about the same power though wouldn't you? i'm looking at the tdo5/20g which i think is good for circa 420bhp:think: not sure how much bigger this turbo is against the ihivf34/20g i've got now? it's tight for space with an ihi:confused:
I reckon the 20g is good for about 15-20bhp more than the td05 18g but the 18g makes a better driving car (so i have heard). I have also heard the 18g is a realistic 380-390bhp turbo. I hear the Td05 evoIII 16g is close to the 18g probably 10-15bhp less, but it is supposed to spool very much like a vf34 .18 but capable of holding onto power a lot better at the top end. I have heard 370-375bhp is there on the evoIII on my engine. Recently Custardcupra went againt a T4 equiped Rs500 running 430-435bhp. Jools was quicker to 100mph and matched it from 100mph upto sillyspeeds 165km/h. The spool of the vf34 made the cossie have to workhard to catch up. If we can keep the same spool time but make 40-50bhp more over the vf34 at 6000rpm-7800rpm then its a usefull gain. It may only make 30-40bhp peak bhp gain but it might make 340bhp at 6800rpm instead of say 290bhp on the vf34. I could be wrong time will tell.
john banks
12-06-2006, 22:26
The TD05H-20G won't do 420 BHP on a Slowbaru on sensible dynos on 98 RON. With 10% methanol it hit 434 BHP with a 2.5, a 2.0 did 440 BHP. It will also probably go into compressor surge on a 1.8 - 2.0 if you run high boost, or be near to it before 4500-5000 RPM or so.
How about getting an Evo VIII MR or IX turbo on there? Twin scroll, larger compressor housing, 10.5T turbine housing... on my 2.0 it will spool to 1 bar at 2500 RPM and hold 1.5 bar at 6250 RPM to make a comfortable 400 BHP on Optimax. If you sort the twin scroll/reverse rotation issue it could be nice. Really difficult to upgrade this turbo to something better overall on the Evo as it is so good.
In comparison, the VF34 on the Subarus is ripe for the bin for serious cars.
Whats your feeling on the td06 20g John.
If 370-375 is all the big 16g can do then it's not a massive gain over mine which was 360-363 at jabba.18g is meant to do 30bhp more than vf34 so 390 perhaps 400 with a largeport. 20g is too big.Td06 20g really needs 1.9/2.0 to make it driveable and would be a genuine 400+
It's getting expensive guys!
Tdo6 20g would be intresting.
How about the td06 25g or t67, really kick some ass!
CustardCupra
13-06-2006, 19:54
How about the td06 25g or t67, really kick some ass!
LMAO maybe on the s3 [B)] but in an ibiza :think: :-o
I'm personally gonna see what the 16g evo comes out with and opt for sensible powerand push my luck on stock internals,:wtf: as vf34 wheelspins for fun on a 2 wheel drive car as it is.:(
john banks
13-06-2006, 20:03
I think the TD06-20G would be too laggy. TD05H-20G works well on a 2.5 Subaru, Evo IX big 16G works well on 2.0 Evo both doing about 400 BHP on Optimax, 420 or so BHP with optimistic rollers. Bigger than those and it gets too laggy. I would say that the 1.8T probably spools a turbo similar to a 2.0 Subaru - TD05H-20 is a bit laggy on that IMHO.
Know what your saying mate but i can't really justify swapping a turbo out for 20bhp. 18g may be worth it,maybe not.
I was told today that the Td06 20g is fully spooled by 4000rpm on the 1.8T.
evo 8/9 16g is 10.5cm ex housing
evo 3 is 8cm
2.0 20v is meant too spool alot quicker than slowbaru 2.0 so this and td06 20g should be good we will know soon anyway.
I was told today that the Td06 20g is fully spooled by 4000rpm on the 1.8T.
hmmm,i was told 4300ish
john banks
13-06-2006, 21:39
The later Evo turbos are twin scroll though... makes a big difference in spool up.
4000 RPM for full boost is way too late IMHO for a road car, peak torque will be later still, and all this is in a high gear or loaded up on a dyno. So it will probably feel quite laggy until you are up at 5500 RPM in a low gear.
Hitting 1 bar of boost by a third of redline RPM is a nice balance I have found.
Everyone`s getting itchy feet, I can see with regards to these new turbos - I`ve got an open mind myself, and am certainly willing to change, but it would be definitely for me, a case of `try before I buy` - I would need a lot of practical convincing - what I have is so good for road use I feel I could easily end up spending money to go slower
I`ve done 17000 road miles since fitting the 34vf20 in December last, and I am still amazed at its great all round performance - set to run at a nominal 1.6bar, mine starts to spool up at 3000rpm, spikes1.7+bar, giving a huge mid range performance.
It pulls like a train in 6th at 75mph giving effortless motorway crusing/overtaking, and for instance, on the 350mile journey back from Jabba last Saturday, it gave as a bonus, 29mpg in mixed motorway/`A` road running
Given its head the motor will see 1.5 bar past 6000rpm, and from a standing start will run off the clock in under a mile.
There are more powerful/faster machines about, for sure, but I have encountered very very few in my travels
Power is addicitive, I know, but in truth there is always a trade off - no such thing as a free lunch you can bet - and it`s easy to get carried away with the `romance` of it all and kid yourself on!
It all depends in the final analysis, where your aims lie - as I said, I have done 17000 road miles and 0 track miles so factors like all round drivability and economy play a big part in my `wish list`
If I was going make a competitive effort to track the car, then I would definitely need something more extreme, but in truth, 20/30bhp extra would make little difference to the `on the road` performance - having to wait another 1000rpm for boost certainly would!! - i`ll reserve final judgement till after i`ve actually sampled the goods with regards to these latest products:)
1.7bar+ on a standard cupra r engined suprises me a bit as mike said he'd never run it past 1.6bar.
At the end of the day 2wd will eventually limit you on road tyres.
1.7bar+ on a standard cupra r engined suprises me a bit as mike said he'd never run it past 1.6bar.
At the end of the day 2wd will eventually limit you on road tyres.
My engine`s not standard - rods/ valves/ ported head/Dahlback - also running P -Zero Corsa 235/40 trackday rubber and Quaife diff - will take full power in second on good dry road:D
I reckon a td06 20g will be about the same as a gt3071r in the performance stakes. I cant make my mind up maybe a Td05 18g is a better all round package.
On a 1.8 a td05 18g would be about the best for driveabilty.