Please help court summons

[HARVEY SRI]

I no this is the wrong place but i need some advise. About 5 months ago i got wrongly busted for speeding. I got a bad copper on a bad day i think oh yeah it was april fols day what luck. Anyway i apealed and now i have a court summons i cant see how i can get done for something i didnt do, i no you guys dont no the story but do many people get away with this sort of thing or do you always get done? I was up for 3 points and a £60 fine if found guilty what am i likely to end up with the same or worse?? hope you can help.

CHEERS:cheers:

[CupraSi]

I was involved in running illegal car cruises years ago and for the last 3 years I have been working with Southern Constabularies to legalise them.......I was fitted up by Norfolk Constabulary and although I lost in court I wrote to the Chief Constable and had two officers disciplined...The bottom line is that rarely will you take the Police on and win...normally you will just have to make as much noise as possible and hope for the best or get a good solicitor and a massive pot of money!

I now speak to about 15 Traffic Intelligence Offiers..the ones that track down cruise organisers and hide in trees lol.....I can have a off the record chat with one if you wanna mail me details and I can ask for some advice?

Cheers.

Si:cheers:

[HARVEY SRI]

That would be great ill try and mail you tomorrow.
thanx mate;)

[Dormouse]

I assume the officer in question had proof of your 'offence'? If not then I what grounds for prosecution are there?

[Fl@pper]

as above , how did he register your speed ?

and once you knwo how , ask for proof of calibration before procedure was used ??

got me off once :devil:

[HARVEY SRI]

He doesnt have nothing! he guned the car in front of me and clocked him at 48 in a 30 but he got away so the copper came back for me and said i was doing the same. He estimated my speed not on the gun or nothing. The speed limit was a 30 going into a 40 and i was well into the 40 doing 40 no where near the car in front. I guess its my word against his this should be fun.:rolleyes:

[Alz32]

Thats a billix mate, they always out to catch ya on something, i have a few tips for ya to deflect the cameras, 1. hang a blank recordable cd outta ur rear mirror,2. get those black regs with silver letters n numbers,:D , hope they work cos i've heard good reports from them

[Dormouse]

I believe that there has to be two officers present for a mobile camera, and also that it HAS to be your vehicle that was gunned, unless there is some other unequivicable evidence that you were doing the same speed....can't think of any.

If you can get an official statement to the effect that you were pulled over because the person in front 'got away' then you were clearly hard done by....even if you WERE doing the same speed, the estimate of a Police Officer of your speed is still not admissable (believe it or not they are human too....and I since evolution hasn't gifted us with a doppler radar on our foreheads....)

Remember, in this kind of offence, actual proof of offence is needed.

I know that there are some 'dodgy coppers' around, but believe me most of them are genuine and do give you the benefit of the doubt. Just don't try to be clever or give them any cheek! they'll respond in kind!

If you believe their is an injustice done, write a letter to the Chief Constable of the area in which you were stopped, making sure it's sent recorded and that you keep a copy for yourself. It might also be useful for someone to witness your signature and you handing it over at the post office....tedious I know...but you have to do these things properly to kep yourself covered.

The contents of the letter should be straightforward but not forceful. Also keep it polite!

Hope this helps!

[Dormouse]

You claim you were in a 40 when the officer claimed you were doing a speed in excess of the limit...

He claims you were doing the same as the car in front...

This means :-

1. You must have been doing 48 max (other wise you would have colided with the person in front of you)...bear with me.

2. You can do 44 in a 40 limit (this is your tollerance - you should still keep the needle at 40!)

3. So the max you were over the permissible speed for the are is 4mph......not very easy to estimate 44 from 48 is it!

You get my point here?

Anyway, before you go to court make sure you have a solicitor and explain the situation to him in plenty of time.

[HARVEY SRI]

Thanx for the help guys i guess ill just have to do has much has i can and see what happens.:mad: :mad: :mad: :mad:

[ibizacupra]

Originally posted by Cuprawannabee

I now speak to about 15 Traffic Intelligence Offiers..
Si:cheers:

Is'nt that a contradiction in terms?
"Traffic Intelligence Officers"

I got stopped Feb this year on the M27 near Goodwood racing circuit... For guess what! "Dirty number Plate"
No really.
Stopped me on a busy motorway in the dark, just before some roadworks, to tell me I had a dirty number plate.
WTF !
Got a fine for it, and subsequently had a massive arguement with the "bitch" policewoman.
The police deserve all the bad rep they get for behaving like this.

The dirty number plate was wiped when she pointed it out to me as being the reason she pulled me over... thanks for letting me know I said.... "how would you like to settle this offence" she said.. "What!"

This was in Feburary, when there was shit loads of salt on the roads and almost everyones car rear ends were white with it. It was clean when I left Goodwood and had got dirtied by the time I got near Portmouth where I was stopped.

F#king insane, petty bull shit, pee brained *******s.

All coppers are now tarred with this sad bitches brush now - however irrational it seems. - I dispise the traffic cops.
<spleen vented>:)

Bill

[HARVEY SRI]

Has we all no some police deffinately take there job to far it takes the pi#s sometimes. I think most peoples opinion of the police is about even not very high.:fart:

[CupraSi]

;) Drop me the details to my e-mail address and I will ask one of the Traffic Guys that I know and see if I can come up with any help!

As I said though, I would send a letter to the Chief Constable any way and that will mean that you will get a visit from an Inspector at least and that may shake them up a little bit.

Let me know.

Si:cheers:

[Scoobster]

They surely can't be serious trying to prosecute!?

You can be 'gunned' by hand held laser when there is just one officer present, and you can be picked up for speeding by a police officer (single) when they have followed you for at least half a mile and estimated your speed from their own. However it would then be your word against theirs and would depend upon their experience and the type of car they were driving.

In order for them to 'gun' you from the side of a road they must get a fix on a part of your car that reflects the laser beam back to their unit. This has to be done within 1000 metres and when you think that they usually use your registration plate, when over such a distance, any sort of deviation by your car (changing lanes works a treat) or 'wobble' by the officers hands will obliterate their 'track' on you.

It is NOT possible for them to estimate your speed from a stationary position at the side of the road without any other form of evidence. they would have to have been following you for a set distance to estimate speed and then as said that would even be debatable. Just by saying that the car infront of you was doing a certain speed they cannot say that because you were following him you were doing the same speed as they must have been paying undivided attention to the car infront of you to get an accurate 'fix' in their car (if they don't pay attention and watch the where they are aiming on the car they are 'gunning' they wouldn't get a 'fix' on it), and therefore they surely would NOT be able to pay accurate attention to estimating what speed you were doing.

Did they follow you for any sort of distance? and where you breaking the limit while they followed you? I would say that they have a pretty lame case and they probably know that and are hoping that you back out and accept the fine. I have spoken to a friend who is a traffic cop (drives the Subaru Impreza police car in Hull) about this sort of thing, which is where I got the info from. I wouldn't take it lying down fella and put up a good show in court.. question the police officers ability to judge/estimate your speed accurately when they are stationary at the side of the road and when they should have been paying full attention to the car that they were capturing with the laser gun.

Hope this helps.. and good luck..

[MikeS]

I was in a similar position, just the other week. I was pulled for doing 60 in a 40 by three police officers in a van with an uncallibrated speedometer. I was doing 40 and I believe 60 was the speed he was doing to catch me. I was originally pulled for a failed PNC check, when that was OK second time, they scrutinsed my number plater, then decided I was speeding.

I spoke to a few people over this, solicitors etc. Most said that they could get me off on a technicality like 'not enough repeater signs for speed limit'. I also spoke to a magistrate who told me the exact same thing that someone said above, rarely can you take on the police and win. Why? - 'cause a judge will always take the side of three police officers over a young man in his early twenties that drives a hot hatch. Unfair but true.

I was advised to pay, but under protest so sent a letter with my licence and a complaint to the Chief Constable.

Someone in work, however got off a speeding fine from a radar gun by claiming that he seen the officer quickly moving the gun forward towards his car after pressing the button. :cool:

I would get a solicitor, cause without one, you will come away worse than if you had paid the fine.

[Minty Man]

totally agree with the taking on Police and not winning statement.

I was visiting the other halfs parents in Newcastle one weekend and while i was parked in a car park, this police officer came screeming round the corner in a marked ford focus, but no blues or twos! He stopped about 50 yard up behind this other car.

I confrunted this officer on his driving and he said he was chasing someone who didnt have a seatbelt on.

His attitude towards me stunk so i went to the local nick after getting his badge number and reported him, and guess what came of it, fu**ing nothing!

If i was seen driving like this and was confrunted by a copper, what are the chances of me getting of with it?

I tell you the dibble in Newcastle are rotten, ive been had twice there now in 6 months, and i only go like once every 3 month!

Just not on !