View Full Version : ECU remap, made in Switzerland... THAT'S the way ;_))
Hi Guys,
I just received back, My Ibiza Cupra, yesterday...
gave it to local preparator, with proper ECU remap..
Just to show you how we do it over here :) :
Max Power @ 4686 rpm =>> 202 hp :devil:
Max Torque @ 3238 rpm =>> 38 Nm (!!) :D :D
Not any mechanical change.. :cool:
I drove it today.. And I must say, it FANTASTIC... really, it's another car..
I'm getting more power at 95 mph in 5th, when I want to overtake a car, than before, retrogading in 4th, and accellerator to the max..
More torque than a M3 :)) really, it's impresive.. but I'm finding out know, that I'll better have to change the suspension..
Also, to inform you, car went to "ruler" (hope it's the right word..), and more than 50 cars where modded without any problem..
I you have numbers to compare, of remap from U.K., I'll be interested...
See Ya,
Antonio.
chungster
20-10-2001, 21:15
I take it its 380NM of Torque..and not 38NM!!!
Yeah, thats more than my 280NM/205LB/FT........
BUT....is this 380NM across the board...like from 2500 - 5500RPM?
Its no good if its just a "spike" in the range...and most of the time you are running down at say 300NM........which is still good...but not as impressive as you first thought.
Who is this chipper if i may ask???
202hp=about 200bhp in our terms. About right.
Hi..
well, yes, 380NM is a spike... as you say..
BUT... It's like no less than 300NM between 2500 rpm and 4800 rpm aproximatevely... ( I'm reading the graphs..)
so between those two rpm, we're at more than 300 NM, and spike at 380NM at 3238NM....
for the moment, I've ever seen something like this... but, who knows ... ;-)))
and for the guy who does that, well, his name won't tell you anything... hes a Seat dealer here in Geneva...
C ya..
(I'm a little bit in a hurry... time for going out ;-))); I'll update it tomorrow if needed......)
ibizacupra
21-10-2001, 11:49
Originally posted by antonio
Hi..
well, yes, 380NM is a spike... as you say..
BUT... It's like no less than 300NM between 2500 rpm and 4800 rpm aproximatevely... ( I'm reading the graphs..)
so between those two rpm, we're at more than 300 NM, and spike at 380NM at 3238NM....
for the moment, I've ever seen something like this... but, who knows ... ;-)))
and for the guy who does that, well, his name won't tell you anything... hes a Seat dealer here in Geneva...
C ya..
(I'm a little bit in a hurry... time for going out ;-))); I'll update it tomorrow if needed......)
Could you post the dyno plot you have for us?
What boost pressure is this running at?
Nice and high figures... :)
Now you really need some suspension to go with it ! :) :)
Bill
Hi !
as you may have guessed.. English isn't my 1st language.. so I don't understand every words.. especially technical ones..
so, what do you mean by "dyno plot" ??
and for the pressure, I don't know.. but I will ask.. (it's 0.5 bar originally ?)
but for what I'm sure, is that I can really hear the turbo "breathing" now :D :D
it's very special to ear it... before I could only hear a few times..
and could someone tell me something..
what is making that noise, after the turbo works, when I change a gear going fast... like a "fshhhhhhhhhh"... ???
I don't know if you get it... and never had also that noise before..
It's like I'm driving a rally car now ;_)
Ok thanks for answer..
and what power/torque do you get with oetinger conversion ?? (it's what's doing RSD, isn't it ?? / here we have ABT..)
See ya..
chungster
21-10-2001, 19:20
Dyno plot is a graph showing the power/torque output of your car.
Since you seem to know where and when max power and max torque is achieved in the rev range...we assumed you have a "dyno plot".
I'm gonna get one for mine in about 5 weeks time.
Oettinger conversion gives 207bhp (210hp), and 205lb/ft of torque (280NM).
Max Power occurs at just under 6000rpm, and max torque is available from 3400rpm to 5500rpm.
The sound you hear when changing gear is from the Dump Valve. This releases the unused pressure inside the turbo when you change gear. You will only get this if you have an "atmospheric" dump valve, as on the normal ones we use over here....they are re-criculating which means they don't make a noise.
Tuners over here don't recommend this noisy dump valve on the 1.8T engine.
I think you'll be running about 14psi (1 bar) of boost on the turbo.
ibizacupra
21-10-2001, 21:25
Originally posted by chungster
Dyno plot is a graph showing the power/torque output of your car.
Since you seem to know where and when max power and max torque is achieved in the rev range...we assumed you have a "dyno plot".
I'm gonna get one for mine in about 5 weeks time.
Oettinger conversion gives 207bhp (210hp), and 205lb/ft of torque (280NM).
Max Power occurs at just under 6000rpm, and max torque is available from 3400rpm to 5500rpm.
The sound you hear when changing gear is from the Dump Valve. This releases the unused pressure inside the turbo when you change gear. You will only get this if you have an "atmospheric" dump valve, as on the normal ones we use over here....they are re-criculating which means they don't make a noise.
Tuners over here don't recommend this noisy dump valve on the 1.8T engine.
I think you'll be running about 14psi (1 bar) of boost on the turbo.
i've been datalogging tonight to see what does what and where engine setting and boost wise.
Interesting figures which compare to the boost guage I have fitted (so I guess its accurate enough)
Peak boost on the Oettinger 20VT Ibiza is 1.2Bar, which is right on the limit (max) figure quoted by the factory info. What happens when this is exceeded who knows! (shuts down? clamps to 5psi ?? guessing here)
the programmed boost pressure is always over shot by a small amount before controlled.
inlet air temp rose from a cool 20'C to 38'C on full throttle, full boost (approx 10 seconds worth) and dropped back again some 20 seconds later. (a good little intercooler I think to recover that quickly)
Bill
Ok guys, thanks for the infos.. great to compare..
and sorry about the dyno plot, but I was asked to not publy it nor copy it... (for the moment...)
also, I know that RSD's conversion of Ibiza to 210 hp, changes a mechanical part.. is it that dump valve that they change ?? does this means that the get their 10 Hp more with that ?
And if I change the dump valve for a forged one... will that noise disapear ? and what enhancements will I get ??
And chungster, why do you say, it isn't recommeded to keep that original dump valve ?? just because of noise ?
ok, see ya.
ibizacupra
21-10-2001, 23:11
Originally posted by antonio
and sorry about the dyno plot, but I was asked to not publy it nor copy it... (for the moment...)
That sounds odd.
Why not? The figures claimed are impressive. Why would someone want to keep this secret unless there were other reasons?
Spill the beans....
We won't tell anyone. ;)
Bill
Yeah.. I know it sounds strange.. maybe it's for the money paid for the dino plot.. and I didn't paid anything for it..
But... if you need infos, you have my eyes on the sheet, for the moment :p
Otherwise guys, could you answer my questions about forged dump valve, please ??
I know that it's here that I would get the interesting infos...
And also, what's the benefit of getting a for ie. K&N Direktfilter ??
thanks.
ibizacupra
22-10-2001, 08:30
Originally posted by antonio
Yeah.. I know it sounds strange.. maybe it's for the money paid for the dino plot.. and I didn't paid anything for it..
But... if you need infos, you have my eyes on the sheet, for the moment :p
Otherwise guys, could you answer my questions about forged dump valve, please ??
I know that it's here that I would get the interesting infos...
And also, what's the benefit of getting a for ie. K&N Direktfilter ??
thanks.
The Forge recirculating dump valve is a direct replacement for the BOSCH part, as the BOSCH part fails regularly. The effect is to reduce between gear lag. Being a recirculating dump valve it is quiet and does'nt make the wooshing sound you describe.
Many comments have been made as to the ECU not liking an atmospheric dump valve but there are a few people running them without reporting problems at all. - make your own mind up here.
The K&N filter you mention is not reccommended as it is an oiled gauze filter, and the oil mist can be drawn in contaminating the optical MAF (I'm told by RSD).
How flat a torque curve do you have? 380nm peak but what would you say the average is from 2000-5000rpm?
cheers
Bill
Ok thanks for infos...
So, I'll better change that dump valve.... I'll have better acceleration isn't it ?
is there another airfilter that suits better the 1.8T ?
is that what give 10hp more power from RSD conversion ?
and for the dyno plot, I'll check it tonight when I come back home...
Antonio.
The part you speak of in the RSD/Oettinger conversion is a less restrictive turbo/boost inlet pipe.
The original part is rough cast metal, and is also flattened at one end, fine for a standard car no doubt, but when you begin running large amounts of boost that the chip helps develop, this starts to restrict the gas flow.
Hence RSD developed a pipe which is the same bore at both ends, no restriction and its also very smooth to allow the gases to flow faster.
ABT do something the same.
Its claimed to add an extra 8-10bhp to the cars power.
Ok Zboyd !!
as usual, your answers are perfect ! ;)
well, do you know the brand of that inlet pipe ?? and aproximatevely the price ?
otherwise, I may check with ABT here...
is the dump valve, then, important to change ?
thanks.
Both the Bosch and the Forge dump valves do wooosh if you listen ;) Obviously no-where near as loud as atmospheric ones.
Mike
Its something RSD had fabricated especially for the purpose, so i cant tell you the brand name cause in all truth it doesn't have one :D
But ABT's is just called a Turbo Inlet Pipe if memory serves. Theirs i think is around £150-£200, RSD's is a similar price, bit pricey for a pipe but then again it has been produced especially for its purpose, not like a bit of drainage pipe. :D
I would say the Dump Valve is one of the most important and cheapest mods you could possibly add to the 20VT engine. The standard OEM Bosch part is prone to failure, ripped diaphrams and this has been happening on Audi's too. :(
The Forge or similar are well built out of Alloy rather than plastic, and are servicible too, so if they need something replaceing you can just get a new piston or diaphram rather than replacing the whole unit, thouhg i think this would be a rare occurance anyway.
The result is a smoother uptake in boost between gear changes and a much more precise throttle reponse.
Well worth getting one.
Ok very nice, Zboyd..
so.. if you have few minutes more :
I should 1st change valve to ??
could you say a brand / type of valve, and aproximat. price ?
(so if I understand well, it isn't necessary to have a forged one ?)
2nd bigger inlet pipe ?? (it's just a piece of rubber ? :) )
thanks !
Dump Valve 006 Re-Circulating type by Forge Motorsport
http://www.forgemotorsport.co.uk/vehicles/audi.html
Bailey do dump valves too, sorry dont know their website.
There the two main manufacturers i know of. Expect to pay anything from £70 - £90 for a valve.
Forge are the brand, im not sure i understand your reference to forged type.
Your standard factory one is plastic and produced by Bosch.
Replacement Inlet pipe is made of an alloy metal and powder coated, the ABT is also made from alloy but polished.
Nah it wouldnt be ever rubber, the turbo inlet pipe would melt :D
Gets a tad warm :)
Ok thanks !!
I'll ask ABT switzerland for that pipe !!! hope it's not more expensive than yours ...
Ok for forged !!! I thought that was a kind of metal or something !! ;)
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Ok see u all !!
Scoobster
23-10-2001, 13:47
Just as a thought..
Does anyone know the dimensions of the turbo inlet pipe?
£200 for a bit of piping is expensive. I work for a pharmaceutical company and due to the regulations of the industry all our liquid handling systems require 316L stainless tubing, just wondered if that owuld be suitable for use? or what type of alloy the one from RSD was? If I get the dimensions I might be able to get one of our engineering contractors to whip me up a section which I can have fitted :D
errrr.. what was the other thing.. hmmm.. oh aye yeh.. has anyone had their bosch dv go faulty?? what are the symptoms? I have a nasty feeling mine is shafted as I am getting progressivly more and more turbo lag and slow power increase, are there any other symptoms than simply turbo lag?
cheers.. .. ..
Scoobz
Who do you work for?
I am in the same industry as you.
Would be very interested in having a word in your ear ;)
ibizacupra
23-10-2001, 16:27
Originally posted by Scoobster
Just as a thought..
Does anyone know the dimensions of the turbo inlet pipe?
£200 for a bit of piping is expensive. I work for a pharmaceutical company and due to the regulations of the industry all our liquid handling systems require 316L stainless tubing, just wondered if that owuld be suitable for use? or what type of alloy the one from RSD was? If I get the dimensions I might be able to get one of our engineering contractors to whip me up a section which I can have fitted :D
errrr.. what was the other thing.. hmmm.. oh aye yeh.. has anyone had their bosch dv go faulty?? what are the symptoms? I have a nasty feeling mine is shafted as I am getting progressivly more and more turbo lag and slow power increase, are there any other symptoms than simply turbo lag?
cheers.. .. ..
Its not just a bent bit of pipe.. The ends are machined with circlip grooves. A water pipe on the Ibiza has to be moved slightly (read bent out of the way by a good shove - technical eh?) to allow fitment of the larger OD pipe.
the internal diameter is pretty much constant round unlike the squashed cast ally ones from the factory, (squashed no doubt to clear the water pipe which can easily be bent out of the way) - Now, why can't the factory work that out eh?
Take yours off, measure the end connections and the full diameter part and you've got yourself a spec.
Bill
Scoobster
24-10-2001, 13:28
Nice...
We have a few engineers onsite here that could do it, but we are also having a specialist piping contractor coming in in a couple of weeks to go over some stuff, so I might get one of them to have a look and see if they can knock me up some suitable piping.
Saul: I am the Quality Systems Manager for a healthcare company called Seven Seas Limited. We are a subsidiary of the Merck Group. We manufacture pharmaceuticals, nutraceutical (health suppliments), and veterinary products.
You will probably be familiar with the Cod liver Oil products we make and Haliborange, Hofels etc etc.. we make a large range of vitamin and mineral products.
You wanted a word in my ear.. shout away.. I'll see what I can help you with.
Who prints your phamaceutical labels ? :D
touting for business - sorry Lee :)
Scoobz
I know your company, als never taken any vitamins........yet
I work for QHE Ltd (Quality Hygienic Equipment) we supply hygienic stainless 304/304L/316/316L tube, valves, fittings, pumps, heat exchangers, manways et al.
We do business with a large amount of companies all over UK and world including Scottish Courage, Lancashire Dairies, Boots, Golden Wonder, Smithkline Beecham etc
We are just starting a brand new Pharmaceutical range of tube and fittings.
If you can drop me a line on saul@qhelimited.co.uk and i'll sort u out with anything you need.
Also give this number to your contractors as they are our main business 0161-962-9534
cheers
tout over
:)
Scoobster
24-10-2001, 17:21
Hi guyz,
Due to client confidentiality agreements I am not at liberty to divulge the companies we use for equipment and services, however I can say that we contract out our pipework installation and maintenance to a hygenic pipework company. However not QHE.
We get our labels from several sources depending upon the type as they vary vastly across product ranges.
If you have details of your products or services that you wish to 'tout' then feel free to contact me and I will either put you in contact with the relevant personnel here or will provide you with an address to send any info to me and I will review it and put it to the board of directors and my fellow group managers.
It's not what you know .. it's who you know.. and then it's how well you can blag what you don't know to those who you know.
that's how it works.. lmao.
Cheers guyz..
my work e-mail is martin.dennison@sseas.com feel free to drop me a line.