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Afternoon lads. to keep myself awake I thought I would ask what peoples opinions are on Induction Kits and dump valves? Which do you recomend?
ok let the comments comence.
Nobber
P.S. reason for this post really is cos I want to get the above pretty soon!
Dormouse
23-10-2002, 16:00
Ah Nobber, person of much taste in car types and colours.
The stock valve works pretty well on my R. I am goning to try a 007B though. In terms of induction kits, i'm going to elephant hose from the existing air box (removing restriction pipe) but still pick up off the inside of the wheel arch.
Bill kindly let me borrow VAG-COM the other day and my AYP engine (assume yours is too?) put out 188-9 BHP standard (calculated). The real suprise was the torque which should have been 173Ft/Lb or so as factory. VAG-COM directly measured 190+ on several occasions...
dor.
P.S You happy with your suspension?
Sup Dor.
Suspension? hard and tight just the way I like it mate! ;) Infact I think it is a too hard sometimes. Can be very harsh after a long period of time, but it makes up for a sore back when you put it in a bend!
Well I fancy a Forge 007 or 006. So I will be grateful if you can let me know how you get on or if you have it at Alconbury then perhaps let me have a go!??!
As for Induction kit, do you think it's worth it? If so which one?
I have no idea what my engine is as I am not mechanical in anyway! But your results dont suprise me too much. Perhaps we can have a comparing session at alconbury and I do mean car wise! :D
Cheers
Nobber
I've heard something about Huricane induction kits being very good but if you want to know whats good look up what works for the Golf GTI. Use the same engine and loads more parts for modding that car.
Cool thanks LDor. I think Bill is a dealer for Hurricane is he not?! I will have a look at badger5 if he is.
Shock_Xe
24-10-2002, 11:59
yeah bill uk dealer for hurricane and gives site discount too, ive got one and cant fault it covered 4k trouble free miles so far.
Dormouse
24-10-2002, 12:50
Hmm...whilst I would never want to say things that may detract from Bill's business (he knows his stuff and can provide some good deals and he's a thoughrally 'pun' good guy). I would be reticent to expect the hurricane (like any induction kit) to provide a 'miracle increase' in performance.
you know that i run the stock airbox and know that I can access serious power using it on the R.
I would try a few things like I mentioned before and removing the restictor pipe first and see if that makes any difference (using elephant like pipe)
In all honsesty i would challenge anyone to prove that anything other than a clean stock paper filter provides any noticable - realworld power increase on the cars we are talking about here and not risk damage to the MAF sensor.
However i would recooment the cheap price bill is doing on the brembos' but you have those anyway don't you!!!
Perhaps spacers?
Cheer
Dor.
Looks like I will just go for the DV then and the strut brace. seems a lot of money too at £165 specially to spend on a company car! You going to have the un-restricted air box done by alconbury Dor? If so can I have a butchers?
Dormouse
24-10-2002, 15:15
Yup, no problems m8.
Dor.
ibizacupra
24-10-2002, 16:55
Originally posted by Nobber
Looks like I will just go for the DV then and the strut brace. seems a lot of money too at £165 specially to spend on a company car! You going to have the un-restricted air box done by alconbury Dor? If so can I have a butchers?
Hello
Some chipped VAG-COM real car driving logged results of Hurricane vs Stock Airbox can be viewed here >> http://www.badger5.demon.co.uk/bin/std-vs-hurricane.PDF
and here >> http://www.badger5.demon.co.uk/bin/hurricane-v-std-small.jpg
On my own "chipped" Ibiza the bottom line gains were 7bhp and 8lb/ft torque over the stock airbox.
Some more sounds too, more of a growle and more DV woosh. Not RS styleee but more agressive. Suits some but not all.
No induction kit will give a 'miracle increase' in performance, and no such claims are made for the Hurricane. Just plain and simple measured results showing bhp, torque and airflow gains over std airfilter box assembly.
regards
Bill
Dormouse
24-10-2002, 17:08
some chipped VAG-COM real car driving logged results of Hurricane vs Stock Airbox can be viewed here
Bill, have you done a comparison of stock airbox against a stock airbox deresticted? I was planning to do so at alconbury.
Like you say (and it's not a subject i cottoned onto) for the noise differences if people like that kind of thing it may well make a significant difference.
7 BHP and 8 Ft/Lb are impressive for a straight induction kit modification are these figures up at the top of the range? (no pdf reader on this computer). Are they really useable considering the 20VT tends to be driver at a lower set of revs due to it's torque day to day?
As you might have noticed I have done nothing to change my airbox at the moment. This simply means i beleive that anyones induction kit will make little difference unless used in combination with other racetrack going mods.
Nobber, Bill kindly let me use VAG-COM to see what the performance of the R was...if my cable doesn't come though in time I might even try to wrangle a 30 minute use of Bill's again and try it with the restrictor out. What i need to do though is borrow a Hurricane.....(mouse gets ready for a badger to try to bite him!)
Cheers
Dor.
I've heard that an induction kit won't really do much for your measured performance, i.e. hp or lb/fl, what it does is make the engine feel more responsive, it will pick up better and feel smoother. I'm passing on 3rd party info here so don't hold me to this. Apparantly an induction kit also roars on acceleration rather then the wine you get with modern engines, which sounds cool.
Dormouse
24-10-2002, 17:37
Agree with the above entirely.
Dor.
ibizacupra
24-10-2002, 19:37
Originally posted by Dormouse
Bill, have you done a comparison of stock airbox against a stock airbox deresticted? I was planning to do so at alconbury.
Like you say (and it's not a subject i cottoned onto) for the noise differences if people like that kind of thing it may well make a significant difference.
7 BHP and 8 Ft/Lb are impressive for a straight induction kit modification are these figures up at the top of the range? (no pdf reader on this computer). Are they really useable considering the 20VT tends to be driver at a lower set of revs due to it's torque day to day?
As you might have noticed I have done nothing to change my airbox at the moment. This simply means i beleive that anyones induction kit will make little difference unless used in combination with other racetrack going mods.
Cheers
Dor.
The results are in the jpg image link I posted Dor.. no need for pdf
http://www.badger5.demon.co.uk/bin/hurricane-v-std-small.jpg
"racetrack mods?" - what are these?
As for usable, only the owner driver can answer that and it will be a preference thing.. no right or wrong, just whats right for you.
If you are trying to eak out some extra performance for next to no money, then the 20VT is a challenge. Larger intake pipe to stock box may well help. Never tried it myself... no point - got me a nice growly Hurricane :p
Bill
Dormouse
25-10-2002, 11:19
Larger intake pipe to stock box may well help. Never tried it
Soon fix that....and come back with results ;)
Let yer know.
Dor.;)