Seat ibiza FR 1.2 tsi question good engine?

znww5

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I believe that there was a no-cost option to have the softer, standard suspension on some of the sport versions.

As for the turbo fix - or 'product enhancement' as SEAT amusingly refers to it - it can be just a software update, or adding a spacing washer between the waste gate actuator and the turbo body, or both the s/w and the washer. There should be a paper trail for the fix and it's a minor mod which is done free under warranty.

I think one of the guys from Germany highlighted the fix first as 1.2TSi engines were cooking their turbos. As far as I am aware, there has never been anything similar reported here in the UK, perhaps the no-speed-limit autobahns in Germany have allowed people to run at full power for long enough to demonstrate the problem - but that's pure speculation on my part!
 

turnipfarmer

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Went to the dealership and sadly someone had already bought it the day previous ah well. In the end went for a new ibiza fr 1.2 tsi fr in white :-D should get it In few weeks. Got it with the 17 alloys too.

just out of interest has anyone gone for the auto glym life shine thing that the dealers offer? Is it anygood? I was offered this before but never took it.
 

znww5

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Not the end of the world I suspect, you might have found the suspension to be something of a deal (or back) breaker! Maybe that's why it was for sale after only 2000 miles ;-)

The diamond shine (or whatever it's called) was offered to me and I declined, but due to a mix-up I got it anyway for free. I seem to remember that it was absurdly expensive and I took the view that there were plenty of other similar products out there for a fraction of the price. Over-priced snake oil in my view.

I'm sure you'll enjoy your new car, you'll be able to come on here and bore everybody to death about how great the 1.2TSi engine is . . . . just like I do :)
 

turnipfarmer

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Won't my new FR have the stiff sport suspension anyway compared to the year old one with 2000 miles? Although saying that I was tad confused as I did see the second hand one and it had ecomotive badge on retransmission tsi badge on side, just not sure if it was a sport one in end anyway.

Oh that was the other question, does the new FR one that I'm getting have the start stop function? I can't seem to find that out anywhere.

Yeah really looking forward to trying out the tsi engine, having 3 years good ownership with my 1.4 sport I look forward to having another enjoyable 3 years :)

Znww5 out of interest what version ibiza you got?
 

znww5

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I don't have a current brochure for the new models, so I can't tell you which suspension set-up the FR has, the stiffer springs used to be fitted to the SC and a few other models.

In my original brochure from 2011, the 1.2TSi manual car had ESP and the ecomotive stuff on it - ie stop-start and smart alternator switching, but the ecomotive badge only seemed to be on the bot lid.

My car is a 12.TSi 5dr SE with a DSG gearbox, so there's no ESP or ecomotive on it.
 
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Won't my new FR have the stiff sport suspension anyway compared to the year old one with 2000 miles

Much the same I'd have thought - both sport suspension.

The old Sport had the Ecomotive badge on the back because it had the stop/start system.

Oh that was the other question, does the new FR one that I'm getting have the start stop function? I can't seem to find that out anywhere.

I wish I knew. I have a new brochure and price list and neither say that it has. Only the 1.2 TDI ecomotive is claimed to have it. However the CO2 emissions figure for the new 1.2 TSI FR manual is quoted at 119 gram/km CO2 which is the same as the old version which did have stop/start. In fact without changes to the engine I'd doubt that it would meet this spec. It wouldn't be the first time that the brocures are wrong so you'd need to ask to be sure. The dealers coud then ask SEAT on your behalf. Could be important since without it I doubt the car will be in band C and tax will be another £70 odd per year.

Just realised I have an old German spec. They have the manual 1.2 TSI in there without start/stop and it's quoted as 124 gm/km. - same as the automatic without start/stop.

PS - Shame you missed that S/H car - it could have been a good buy.
 
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silveralex

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As a January 2011 1.2 TSI Sport owner i have to say i love this car. Stated fuel economy is 55mpg and my average is 58mpg (I regularly return 60-61.8 on my work drive, 30 miles A/B roads). The performance is decent if a little limited at the top end (to be expected) but this can be altered by fitting one of the over-ride boxes if you're desperate (i'm not bothered). The spec is awesome (foldy mirrors are handy), the ride of the 'sport' suspension is super comfortable (why would anyone want the boaty SE is a mystery to me) but it can still hold it's body round the corners, and the general feel of the car is one of reasonable quality (obviously VW's infulence).

My only gripe would be with the dealer themselves. Poor sale at point of sale. Poor communication since. Poor information regarding ecu/recall issues (turbo recall a classic). I have to say i'm not massively impressed with the new model, I think when my 3 years is up i'll keep my ibiza!

Get one!
 

turnipfarmer

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silveralex does yours come with the Stop/Start function?

I have just got my new FR yesterday and well pleased with it but not sure if it has and not able to find out how.
 

MjrSharpe

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I just got a white 1.2 tsi dsg fr and I really cant say enough good things about it. The engine is great although not quite as economical as you might think but other than that I have no complaints. The only thing I would change is the suspension as I think the car rides to high but I intend to fix this myself but all in all a perfect car.
 

turnipfarmer

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Also would you be able to check if yours has rear speakers? seems mine hasn't. Are rear speakers not standard anymore? I thought they would have been.
 

turnipfarmer

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Just thought I'd give everyone am update. Really liking the car and as people said the 1.2 tsi is very nice to drive, especially against the old 1.4.

There's definitely no start stop technology on these new ibiza FR which I do find odd but they must have improved the engine to get the emissions down without it.

Also how long does it take a new engine to break in so you achieve your best mpg out of this engine?
 

znww5

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Glad to hear that you are enjoyig your new car! Have they lowered the emissions compared to the pre-facelift manual TSi?

Looking at my 2011 1.2TSi DSG fuel consumption records, there is no noticable difference between new and the present time, after 16,000 miles or so. These days there's rarely a running in period as such as engines can be manufactured to closer tolerances than in the past.

Like any other car, stop/start around town hammers the fuel consumption (Milton Keynes roundabouts don't help!) but you can see the figures improve even if you do only one longer trip where you can maintain speed.
 
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Also how long does it take a new engine to break in so you achieve your best mpg out of this engine?

Looking at my 2011 1.2TSi DSG fuel consumption records, there is no noticable difference between new and the present time, after 16,000 miles or so. These days there's rarely a running in period as such as engines can be manufactured to closer tolerances than in the past.

Same with mine. I've done 5400 miles and it does about 45 mpg overall. Same as when it was new.

There's definitely no start stop technology on these new ibiza FR which I do find odd but they must have improved the engine to get the emissions down without it.

Interesting. I wonder what they did. It's odd since the 119 g/km is the same as my stop-start version and the DSG version is 124 g/km., the same as before, but this version never had stop-start. If the engine has been improved you'd expect the DSG to be better too.

Does your new FR have a five speed box or a six speed box like the Polo 1.2 TSI?
 

turnipfarmer

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I'll check the handbook for the latest figures on emissions.

There's suppose to be quite button just above the power socket, is that correct? Mine ain't got it if it is. Road tax is 30 quid. I'm not sure what they've done to improve the engine to bring the emissions down without the start stop technology.

Unless it's permanently enabled and in that case I may have been doing something wrong. What is the sequence in order to see if it works? I'll give it another go later on just in case I was doing it in wrong order.
 
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Unless it's permanently enabled and in that case I may have been doing something wrong. What is the sequence in order to see if it works? I'll give it another go later on just in case I was doing it in wrong order.

You'd know if you had stop-start. Assuming that the car is warmed up etc., then as soon as the car stops with gears in neutral and clutch pedal released then the engine stops. As soon as you depress the clutch pedal it restarts.

And yes, there is a switch just above the 12 volt power socket. There is also a magic control box a little larger than a pack of cards under the passenger seat.
 
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turnipfarmer

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I'll have a look for that under the seat. Could their be a possibility they may have forgotten to fit it?
 

J400uk

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I'll have a look for that under the seat. Could their be a possibility they may have forgotten to fit it?

I'm pretty sure it should have it, without the 1.2 TSI wouldn't achieve 119g/ km co2.

As said you need to be out of gear and the engine will have to be warmed up for it to work
 
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